Vehicular ground clearance appreciation post

[Revalos]

I just had to use my vehicle's ground clearance to get out of a very bad situation today. If it had not been able to make it over...I don't even want to think of the consequences.

[BriarFox]

You can't use the phrase "very bad situation" and let it lie at that. The PC demands that you unfold such a luscious phrase.

[Tea & Strumpets]

I just had to use my vehicle's ground clearance to get out of a very bad situation today. If it had not been able to make it over...I don't even want to think of the consequences.

Enough said. Even though you were completely vague and didn't say much of anything, I've deduced that you hit and run some fat guy with your vehicle.

[Revalos]

I am not allowed to describe what actually transpired, but think of it like this: You are blocked in on a road on both sides and an 18 wheeler is coming at you out of control. There is an obstacle that is about the height of your front bumper that you just might be able to go over if you gun it. You either don't make it or you do. It all depends on how your vehicle is designed.

I got fucking seriously lucky.

[DCSL]

What the. How are you not allowed to talk about what happened but you come and post tantalizing hints about it anyway?! BULLSHIT. Thankfully, the attention whore category is big enough for you AND MissI.

[TheRunt]

I am not allowed to describe what actually transpired, but think of it like this: You are blocked in on a road on both sides and an 18 wheeler is coming at you out of control. There is an obstacle that is about the height of your front bumper that you just might be able to go over if you gun it. You either don't make it or you do. It all depends on how your vehicle is designed.

I got fucking seriously lucky.


Enough said. Even though you were completely vague and didn't say much of anything, I've deduced that you hit and run some fat guy with your vehicle.

:yeahthat:

[Revalos]

I'll talk about it after I go to traffic court. I don't want to screw anything up with the process until after that happens on Friday. I just had to say something praising vehicle design.

[Clove]

Yeah, as long as you can get over the wheel chair you can leave the scene.

[Clove]

I'll talk about it after I go to traffic court. I don't want to screw anything up with the process until after that happens on Friday. I just had to say something praising vehicle design.I'm sure the court will swear you in as "driver presently known as Revalos on the PC".

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol I know where he's coming from.

I had an incident once with my 88 wrangler with 33 inch tires and a 6 inch lift.

Let's just say I can never give the details other than the edit that blocked me in wasn't happy when he got back I'm sure.

[Clove]

Lol I know where he's coming from.

I had an incident once with my 88 wrangler with 33 inch tires and a 6 inch lift.

Let's just say I can never give the details other than the edit that blocked me in wasn't happy when he got back I'm sure....and then the cat jumped on his lap and he had to floor it which is when he hit the sign-post.

[DCSL]

You guys are crazy paranoid.

[CrystalTears]

I'll talk about it after I go to traffic court. I don't want to screw anything up with the process until after that happens on Friday. I just had to say something praising vehicle design.
Okayy Daniel. :lol:

Why would anyone in the courts know WTF you are on a message board... or even care??

Silly people.

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol clove.

Actually one time I was driving down US. 19 with the doors off the jeep and had my little dog with me and he always sat on the seat. Looked down and he was gone and I was oh he must be in the back... nope.

I find him outside the door riding on the running board fulling blasting in the wind. Scariest moment ever and the last time the dog rode in the jeep. Looking back I can I laugh about it now tho. He was a daredevil dog in in his early days for being a rat.

Went cliff diving in a TN reservoir when I first met him. I took the 60 foot leap and that little fucker ran and jumped off right after me. Wish I had that on video.

[Revalos]

Fine...damn if I get screwed over, I've gone waaay too deep into my legal matters here before.

So I'm cruising 495 today and there is a construction vehicle on the left shoulder around the Central Avenue exit. I'm in the left lane and there is a guy about one car length back behind me in a fucking rice rocket of some kind. Nissan sentra or something similar, riding my ass.

So this FUCKING HUGE ASS 12 INCH DIAMETER PIECE OF PIPE rolls off the construction vehicle on the shoulder right in front of me. There is no time for swerving, or avoiding, or even hitting the brakes. I hit it at an angle off my front tire and go right over it before I knew what the fuck happened. It smacks into the tire of the construction vehicle and bounces a bit and completely demolishes the front end of the rice rocket. I screech the brakes right around this point and the whole road stops. Rice rocket dude is already out of his car with blood coming out of his scalp from the broken front window and probably not wearing a seatbelt and hitting the steering wheel. He charges at me with fucking rage but collapses and passes out. At this point one of the construction guys has run over to see what has happened and we both try to help the rice rocket dude.

I get to sit there with them for fifteen minutes until the ambulance and police arrive. Construction guys say I hit their truck and knocked the pipe off of the back into the rice rocket and point to the FUCKING OBVIOUS PIPE SHAPED INDENTATION on the back side of their vehicle. I say nothing during all of this. Then they ask me and I tell them exactly what happened.

That is where I am at now. I have zero vehicle damage except for some paint scraped off my wheelwell, rice rocket guy may be dead for all I know.

[Sean of the Thread]

Unless.. and I mean unless I can tell a cop is going to very amiable and I know I did nothing wrong and can prove it by other witnesses I carry this with me now at all times.

A little card to hand the officer that says:
I want an attorney present before I speak with you.
I do not want to talk with anyone about my case.
I do not want to answer any questions or reply to any charges without my lawyer present.
I do not want to do any test, do not want my property searched, and do not want to be in any lineup.
I DO NOT WAIVE ANY OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.


It's an almost guarantee goto jail card but my attorney told me it will save my ass after a night in jail if all else comes to fail.


*Oh and on suggestion of my previous attorney he told me to collect up some of the big name attorney business cards and keep them in my wallet so when they're searching through it or you're searching through it for your insurance cards / drivers license they have a change of attitude real fast. Not sure if it works but sounds solid in theory.

[diethx]

Or you could just not break the law to the point where you need to be searched?

[Cephalopod]

Lol I know where he's coming from.

I had an incident once with my 88 wrangler with 33 inch tires and a 6 inch lift.

Let's just say I can never give the details other than the edit that blocked me in wasn't happy when he got back I'm sure.

This is how your fetish for bed-wetting cripples first started, isn't it?

[Sean of the Thread]

Or you could just not break the law to the point where you need to be searched?


You don't always have to break the law to the point where you need to be searched.

They'll try to search you for any reason they feel like making up. Some will deny it but I know there is at least one Pinellas county deputy that posts on these boards and he'll admit that it goes on or he's lying. (no offense).

Damn I tried to get searched last night for just walking down the street at 11pm on my way back from poker.

[Sean of the Thread]

This is how your fetish for bed-wetting cripples first started, isn't it?


Thanks for making the throw up taste in the back of my mouth. Now I can smell her urine on my hands again.

ugh

[CrystalTears]

Damn I tried to get searched last night for just walking down the street at 11pm on my way back from poker.
o rly? :D

[diethx]

You don't always have to break the law to the point where you need to be searched.

They'll try to search you for any reason they feel like making up. Some will deny it but I know there is at least one Pinellas county deputy that posts on these boards and he'll admit that it goes on or he's lying. (no offense).

Damn I tried to get searched last night for just walking down the street at 11pm on my way back from poker.

Yeah, i'm sure you're just an innocent target for the cops. I'm sure you weren't being drunk and belligerent in public or anything.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah, i'm sure you're just an innocent target for the cops. I'm sure you weren't being drunk and belligerent in public or anything.


Completely sober. They're just doing their job and were polite about it. I simply said no and they said have a safe walk home.

I didn't say they were assholes about it but they can be. Like the one time I got pulled over in largo also completely sober and the one officer was like "I smell booze.. do you smell booze? to the other officer and he was like yeah..I think I do. Get out.

Hell the clearwater police tazered my sister in law who is a complete angel who has never touched booze in her life for refusing a search. Dragged her out of the car window and then tazered her again. Shit happens. I don't know what surreal world you live in but sometimes it is just like in the movies.

[DCSL]

I have never been searched in my life, nor known anyone who has. Well. Obviously before I knew Sean. I've broken the law lots of times but the only times I've been caught were.. hm. Speeding (talked my way out of that one, said my period just started and I was racing to a bathroom to put in a tampon, heh) and shoplifting on a dare as a teenager. I was bad at it, obviously.

[Warriorbird]

Hell the clearwater police tazered my sister in law who is a complete angel who has never touched booze in her life for refusing a search. Dragged her out of the car window and then tazered her again. Shit happens
-SoT

Blame Scientology. I never get searched in BR. I guess they're glad I spend a lot of drunk time walking rather than driving.

[Drew]

Cops used to try and search me all the time when I was younger. No way.

[Kyra231]

Or you could just not break the law to the point where you need to be searched?

The police can and will make up reason to search you, lie to get you to admit you did something you didn't, etc. Ffs don't pretend to be that naive.

[AnticorRifling]

The police can and will make up reason to search you, lie to get you to admit you did something you didn't, etc. Ffs don't pretend to be that naive.
Yeah cops are the bad guys at all times....

[Daniel]

Okayy Daniel. :lol:

Why would anyone in the courts know WTF you are on a message board... or even care??

Silly people.

How am I involved with this?

[CrystalTears]

Heh, somehow him saying that he doesn't want to discuss things here and Clove's comment made me think of you and Dave changing your PC handle because of the military. Bad timed joke, my bad.

[Daniel]

Yea. There's a slight difference.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah cops are the bad guys at all times....


Oddly enough a lot of my RL friends are police and they're not bad guys all the times at all. But they do tell me some stories rofl.

I'd goto academy but there is a 6 month no smoking and zero tobacco after that even though all the ones I know at least dip in their squad cars. I don't get it.

*wait weren't you MP ? Why haven't you pursued that instead of cubicle and LP work?

[CrystalTears]

Yea. There's a slight difference.I think they were all ridiculous, but okay.

[Daniel]

I think they were all ridiculous, but okay.

You've also never had to worry about maintaining your security clearance or staying out of the way of counter intelligence.

[Khariz]

You've also never had to worry about maintaining your security clearance or staying out of the way of counter intelligence.

Serious question: Do people actually "worry about maintaining their security clearance"? And if so, what does that mean? Not doing things that they otherwise would because they don't want to mess up their clearance?

PM me if you don't feel like continuing this discussion here, and I'll tell you why I'm curious.

[CrystalTears]

I'm actually curious about that myself, as I don't see why you posting on a message board would conflict with anything, especially since this is a gaming forum. Unless you said incriminating stuff here? I dunno.

[Clove]

I'm actually curious about that myself, as I don't see why you posting on a message board would conflict with anything, especially since this is a gaming forum. Unless you said incriminating stuff here? I dunno.He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.

[Sean of the Thread]

Uhm on a side reference I was denied security clearance and mostly because of a repo and student loan debt.

Said it was a risk because I'm more open to bribes...wtf ever.

[CrystalTears]

Uhm on a side reference I was denied security clearance and mostly because of a repo and student loan debt.

Said it was a risk because I'm more open to bribes...wtf ever.
No it was because of your involvement on the PC!

[Clove]

No it was because of your involvement on the PC!Well to be fair to Daniel being gay in public can effect your security clearance.

[Trouble]

Serious question: Do people actually "worry about maintaining their security clearance"? And if so, what does that mean? Not doing things that they otherwise would because they don't want to mess up their clearance?
Hell yeah I worry about maintaining my clearance. That guarantees me employment at a great salary. That's critical in this shitty economy.

When they do your clearance checkup every 5 or 10 years (depending on clearance level) they ask you to name 3 people they can talk to and one person who knew you at each place you've lived in the past 5/7/10 years (preferably a neighbor). They will then ask each of those people about you, ask if they knew about any financial problems, drug/alcohol issues, strange habits, etc you may have had. They will also ask the 3 people you gave them (and maybe your neighbors) for 3 more people they can talk to about you (again depends on your level of clearance). They may then ask those people for 3 more names.

Most people you'd suggest to the investigators know not to discuss any potentially damaging issues, but eventually they may find a person who doesn't know not to say anything about them.

When you have a clearance, you're supposed to inform your Facility Security Officer if you change marital status, file bankruptcy, get arrested for a felony, leave the country for any reason other than official travel, or enter alcohol/drug counseling.

As far as the PC goes, what happens when they find out about an online community you participate in where you describe all sort of dumb shit you've done or are doing? or mention a bankruptcy or court case that you didn't tell your FSO about?

Edit: you're also supposed to inform your FSO if you enter into a serious relationship with a foriegn national. In fact you're supposed to inform them of any non-incidental contact with foreign nationals, dependong on how stricly you interpret the rules. I had to tell them about how I'd go to the Australian Embassy's happy hours with Dunryc back in the day.

[Trouble]

Well to be fair to Daniel being gay in public can effect your security clearance.

Only if you're not out of the closet yet. Because if you're out already, a bad entity can't use it against you.

[Khariz]

Hell yeah I worry about maintaining my clearance. That guarantees me employment at a great salary. That's critical in this shitty economy.

When they do your clearance checkup every 5 or 10 years (depending on clearance level) they ask you to name 3 people they can talk to and one person who knew you at each place you've lived in the past 5/7/10 years (preferably a neighbor). They will then ask each of those people about you, ask if they knew about any financial problems, drug/alcohol issues, strange habits, etc you may have had. They will also ask the 3 people you gave them (and maybe your neighbors) for 3 more people they can talk to about you (again depends on your level of clearance). They may then ask those people for 3 more names.

Most people you'd suggest to the investigators know not to discuss any potentially damaging issues, but eventually they may find a person who doesn't know not to say anything about them.

When you have a clearance, you're supposed to inform your Facility Security Officer if you change marital status, file bankruptcy, get arrested for a felony, leave the country for any reason other than official travel, or enter alcohol/drug counseling.

As far as the PC goes, what happens when they find out about an online community you participate in where you describe all sort of dumb shit you've done or are doing? or mention a bankruptcy or court case that you didn't tell your FSO about?

While not everything that Trouble said is completely accurate...he makes good points :)

Let's just say my curiosity wasn't just idle curiosity.

[CrystalTears]

As far as the PC goes, what happens when they find out about an online community you participate in where you describe all sort of dumb shit you've done or are doing? or mention a bankruptcy or court case that you didn't tell your FSO about?I realize they must have high-tech ways to find out, but would they really go to the extremes to find out for sure if you're posting here, and as who? Unless you fill in your personal information in the profile, how would they know?

[Daniel]

I'm actually curious about that myself, as I don't see why you posting on a message board would conflict with anything, especially since this is a gaming forum. Unless you said incriminating stuff here? I dunno.


Serious question: Do people actually "worry about maintaining their security clearance"? And if so, what does that mean? Not doing things that they otherwise would because they don't want to mess up their clearance?

PM me if you don't feel like continuing this discussion here, and I'll tell you why I'm curious.


Yes. If I lose my security clearance I lose my job. At the minimum all security clearances are re-investigated every 2-5 years, which means that if anything happens in the intervening period (like say, you develop an excessive drinking problem), they'll find out and you'll probably lose your clearance and your job.

All agencies that handle classified information also have dedicated counter intelligence units that actively look for security breaches. This can also have ramifications for your clearance. Like if you leave your computer unlocked or leave classified documents laying around you'll get reprimanded and if it's repeated you'll lose your clearance and your job.

How excessive this is is dependent upon where you work for and what you're doing (A Special Operations Task Force in Iraq is probably at the high end of this).

The problem is that a clearance is really a subjective measure. It's the governments assessment of how "trustworthy you are". Guy A can have the same problem as Guy B, but if he comes across the wrong way to the investigator he won't get his clearance.

I wasn't worried about them actually finding anything. I was worried about that overzealous counter intel guy who sees me actively posting under the name "RangerD1" and automatically assumes I'm breaking operational security. I didn't want to have to sit down with my commander and\or investigators to explain that a "Ranger" refers to a profession in a text based RPG game. At best it's a distraction from my job and a waste of their time. At worst I lose my job because they aren't taking any chances.

[Daniel]

I realize they must have high-tech ways to find out, but would they really go to the extremes to find out for sure if you're posting here, and as who? Unless you fill in your personal information in the profile, how would they know?

Guaranteed all internet communications through military systems is monitored.

[Trouble]

I realize they must have high-tech ways to find out, but would they really go to the extremes to find out for sure if you're posting here, and as who? Unless you fill in your personal information in the profile, how would they know?

Right, and that's why you want to anonymize as much as you can, like not using any part of your real name in your handle, for example.

It never got to the point of affecting my clearance, but after I started playing WoW my social habits changed so drastically that it became a topic of discussion at my workplace and my FSO asked me if everything was ok and if there was anything 'I needed to discuss with her.'

Edit: and like Daniel said, all communications at USG agencies may be monitored and they can certainly perform a forensic analysis on your work computer and find out what your PC handle is if they really wanted to. Obviously they'd be looking for something else and not use the PC as probable cause to search your computer.

[Clove]

I thought Daniel used his phone to post?

[Khariz]

The problem is that a clearance is really a subjective measure. It's the governments assessment of how "trustworthy you are". Guy A can have the same problem as Guy B, but if he comes across the wrong way to the investigator he won't get his clearance.

I wasn't worried about them actually finding anything. I was worried about that overzealous counter intel guy who sees me actively posting under the name "RangerD1" and automatically assumes I'm breaking operational security. I didn't want to have to sit down with my commander and\or investigators to explain that a "Ranger" refers to a profession in a text based RPG game. At best it's a distraction from my job and a waste of their time. At worst I lose my job because they aren't taking any chances.

Daniel still wins this argument with everyone who tried to tell him otherwise in other threads. Sst and I were on his side then, and continue to be now. If you possess a security clearance, don't make an ass of yourself on message boards.

I should show you guys the new OPM regs flowing down the pipeline in a couple months...it makes having an online presence way worse for security clearances than it ever has in the past. The SF-86 has also just been redesigned to capture much more BS than it has in the past. It hasn't been rolled out completely yet, but the E-QIP system (Formerly EPSQ) should have it up and running as of this calendar year.

Fun stuff.

[Daniel]

I thought Daniel used his phone to post?

I do sometimes when I'm sitting somewhere bored?

That's like the 4th dumb shit troll post you've made in this thread? I know you're still ass hurt from the reaming you take anytime you step into a political thread but can you let it go?

Thanks.

[Daniel]

Daniel still wins this argument with everyone who tried to tell him otherwise in other threads. Sst and I were on his side then, and continue to be now. If you possess a security clearance, don't make an ass of yourself on message boards.

I should show you guys the new OPM regs flowing down the pipeline in a couple months...it makes having an online presence way worse for security clearances than it ever has in the past. The SF-86 has also just been redesigned to capture much more BS than it has in the past. It hasn't been rolled out completely yet, but the E-QIP system (Formerly EPSQ) should have it up and running as of this calendar year.

Fun stuff.


Explain please?

[CrystalTears]

If you were posting while under their supervision and they would know who you're posting as, that's completely different. I don't even know why you would post to a message board while in the military, but okay. Not posting at all makes sense. Changing your handle is what didn't make sense if you were going to keep posting anyway. (You as in anyone in the military.)

[Daniel]

If you were posting while under their supervision and they would know who you're posting as, that's completely different. I don't even know why you would post to a message board while in the military, but okay. Not posting at all makes sense. Changing your handle is what didn't make sense if you were going to keep posting anyway. (You as in anyone in the military.)

Of course they would know who I'm posting as. I was on a compound in a compound in the middle of a warzone. Do you really think I was going down to the cosi to get free wireless?


As for the posting bit, why would I stop posting? Iraq is boring as hell. I need something to do to keep me busy between raids.

[Keller]

I was going down to the cosi to get free wireless?


COsi has free wireless?

[Daniel]

COsi has free wireless?

No0b.

[Warriorbird]

While avoiding a soccer Mom in an SUV my vehicle didn't flip today.

Lack of vehicular ground clearance appreciation!

[diethx]

The police can and will make up reason to search you, lie to get you to admit you did something you didn't, etc. Ffs don't pretend to be that naive.

I didn't say the cops don't sometimes target people. I'm saying I don't believe the cops targeted Sean2 without reason. I think he's a drunk and he has no qualms about being disruptive in public places. He's posted examples here and been proud of them, even if I think he fudged details to make things seem like he was more innocent than he actually was. I think if Sean2 is getting searched, he did something to deserve it.

Don't YOU be that naive. :)