Research: Charge

[Danical]

So, I've been playing around with charge but I've noticed that I get a -15 Penalty when using it against normal-sized, average height bi-pedal creatures.

Is it because I'm a BG and small?

[mrjrd222]

I don't know everything about it, but I know size has an effect. I rarely get any penalty, infact usually get a bonus, on my Half-Krolvin. I'm not sure where the bonus from bonding or weapon specialization is factored, it might be the bonus...? On the same opponents I usually get 18 bonus or so, rk 4 specialization, bonded at max rank...

[Danical]

18 is what you should see for the bonding + wspec.

I get a -40 penalty against Giants and -30 against Trolls. HUZZAH!

[TheLastShamurai]

aside from wspec, spells, etc which lend bonuses to cmans, i believe your size in relation to the size of your target plays a role.

so if you were to charge another gnome, you would receive no/some bonus depending on skill, spells, etc.

edit: so go charge another gnome and see what happens!

[Danical]

Small Characters just get the mother fucking shaft in GS.

I would pay 2m BPs for FixRace.

[GS4 Naseer]

Re-Roll?

[TheLastShamurai]

maybe they should offer such services for money. kinda like how they offered to bring back old spirit deathed characters for like $400 or something.

400 to switch race.
400 to switch profession.
200 name change.

since simu is such a fiend for money, they might go for it.

[Durgrimst]

They would make a bunch on this if they did it.

[TheLastShamurai]

im sure.

hell i'd be tempted to do it.

[DaCapn]

Yeah, there probably is a size/racial penalty. See also: sweep. I think there's a bonus for things like cheapshot and hamstring. There's also a penalty applied when you go up against quadrupeds (EDIT: for sweep at least).

Though size is pretty fucked in GS anyway. Crocodiles, for example, are 1 foot tall as told by appraise (because their legs are less than a foot long). This makes them too small to ambush for a body part.

[Euler]

I think there's a bonus for things like cheapshot and hamstring.

is this true?

[Rathgar]

Yes, if your part of the small races there is a small bonus. Gnomes have the largest and dwarves the smallest bonus.

But to be quite frank, Giantman are the best warrior race. They just win... in like everything. Except, TD bonus but realistically with enhancives and what not that isn't much of a problem anymore.

[DaCapn]

But to be quite frank, Giantman are the best warrior race. They just win... in like everything. Except, TD bonus but realistically with enhancives and what not that isn't much of a problem anymore.

And RT reduction through AGIDEX.

[Fallen]

Yes, if your part of the small races there is a small bonus. Gnomes have the largest and dwarves the smallest bonus.

But to be quite frank, Giantman are the best warrior race. They just win... in like everything. Except, TD bonus but realistically with enhancives and what not that isn't much of a problem anymore.


Giantmen are also hit with a Maneuver penalty on account of their size, whereas gnomes/halflings/etc are given a bonus. Though said bonus was NOT in affect until Gnible pointed out its absence.

[Izzy]

And RT reduction through AGIDEX.

Enhacives yo.

[Fallen]

Enhacives yo.


They can be kinda hard to get when you fuckers keep BUYING THEM ALL!

[DaCapn]

Enhacives yo.

A giant would need to increase his AGIDEX bonus by 28 to equal the RT reduction (5) of a halfling, burghal gnome, or elf (read as: impossible). RT reduction has 15 point rung-to-rung advancement by AGIDEX bonus. For a giant to jump up to the next rung as a borderline case for RT reduction is no great feat but they cap out at the bottom end of 3 points of reduction.

[Izzy]

A giant would need to increase his AGIDEX bonus by 28 to equal the RT reduction (5) of a halfling, burghal gnome, or elf (read as: impossible). RT reduction has 15 point rung-to-rung advancement by AGIDEX bonus. For a giant to jump up to the next rung as a borderline case for RT reduction is no great feat but they cap out at the bottom end of 3 points of reduction.

I hear you, but here's the thing though; a halfling/gnome/etc gets encumbered at the mere sight of a box, so baseline RT balances out after a couple boxes anyway, and after a couple more boxes weak races watch their RT skyrocket.

[Fallen]

Well, lets assume you use premium points as well as your Adventurer's Guild badge. +5 to Agi bonus, +5 to dex bonus from the guild. +5 to Agi bonus, +5 to Dex bonus from the premium item. That's a combined +20 to the AGIDEX, still leaves ya 8 short. Shouldn't be TOO hard to make up with enhancives, but that is still a bitch and a half.

[Rue]

Speaking of enhancive. . .

How exactly does a charge work. Originally I was informed it happen when you took the item on and off.(Well each time you put it on anyhow). Which is only half true. If you leave said item on it still draws a pulse from the wearer.

Is it a random pull from the charges or is it a timed pull? Is there a way to calculate said pull of the charge to prevent crumbling things from crumbling on surprise?

[DaCapn]

Well, lets assume you use premium points as well as your Adventurer's Guild badge. +5 to Agi bonus, +5 to dex bonus from the guild. +5 to Agi bonus, +5 to Dex bonus from the premium item. That's a combined +20 to the AGIDEX, still leaves ya 8 short. Shouldn't be TOO hard to make up with enhancives, but that is still a bitch and a half.
Those aren't a part of the enhancive item system?

[Izzy]

Speaking of enhancive. . .

How exactly does a charge work. Originally I was informed it happen when you took the item on and off.(Well each time you put it on anyhow). Which is only half true. If you leave said item on it still draws a pulse from the wearer.

Is it a random pull from the charges or is it a timed pull? Is there a way to calculate said pull of the charge to prevent crumbling things from crumbling on surprise?

I don't recall the exact specifics but it's something like this:

1) The act of WEARing an enhancive will not drain a charge
2) The act of REMOVing and enhancive has a chance to drain a charge
3) Wearing and enhancive for a period of time has a chance to drain charges while worn.

I've been put under the impression by those-that-know-more-about-charges that only wearing the enhancives when you need them is more efficient. IE, put hunting ones right before you hunt, and remove them right after.

[AMUSED1]

Nope, it is:

1) The act of wearing an enhancive (clothing/jewelry) or getting it out (weapon/shield) has a chance to drain a charge.
2) Removing a worn enhancive to stow away will NOT drain a charge.
3) Approximately every minute there is a chance to drain a charge. Basically, if you aren't going to need the enhancive for a 10 minute time or long your best bet is to stow away the enhancive.

[Fallen]

Those aren't a part of the enhancive item system?


I should have edited my statement to read Treasure borne enhansives, though merchant/off-the-shelf would work as well if available.

[DaCapn]

I should have edited my statement to read Treasure borne enhansives, though merchant/off-the-shelf would work as well if available.

Okay, I thought you were saying +5/+5 DEX/AGL bonus with a premium item, then +5/+5 DEX/AGL bonus with an AdG badge, then making up the remaining 8 total with some kind of treasure-found enchancive. My point being that you can't because the max bonus you can stack up to any given stat is +20 (meaning +10 bonus). Or am I wrong about that?

[Fallen]

You are. +40 to the stat, +20 to the bonus.

[DaCapn]

Time to go back and edit my posts so it looks like I was right all along.

By the way: Fuck mediawiki's search functions. Seriously, searching for "enhancive items" on Krakiipedia gives "Animate Dead (730)" as the closest match while the "Enhancive Item" article comes up as 7th.

[droit]

If someone were dedicated, it would be simple to acquire enough agidex enhancives to get the 5 second agidex reduction for a giant. Honestly, it's just matter of time and money. The new loot system has been around for what, seven months? I already have +50 edged and +50 stamina recovery. Getting a +28 bonus between 2 stats isn't that hard and it will get easier and easier as time goes on.

[droit]

Also, let's not forget the widely available giantman-only bracers from last years Winterfest. Wearing two of those will net you +6 agidex bonus, and those are so common, I consider them a given for any giantman character planning I do.

[Rathgar]

I'm just gonna call it right now and say that Giantman will probably be the best race for monks also. (Of course some GM will see this and go back and change all the bonuses)

Also, it just makes sense from a in-game perspective. If you watch MMA, the dude with that extra inch reach has leaps and bounds advantages then the short guy with no reach. But hey maybe Simu Kungfu might change that?

[Danical]

You can bet DIS will be a large factor to Monk stuffs and probably INF for the Mental Sphere.

DWARF MONK!!!11111111

[Durgrimst]

dwarf monk = alcoholic priest???

[Danical]

DUH?

[Rathgar]

Giantman monks can use dwarves for hurling?

[Durgrimst]

Giantman monks can use dwarves for hurling?

Umm....

[Rathgar]

Did that come out wrong ?