Scroll Infusing

[whiteflash]

I have a mid 50's level sorcerer and I havn't bothered trying infuse quite yet. Just had a couple questions that the play.net guide didn't seem to cover. I may have just missed them, but here they are:

So you infused and charged a scroll

Do you need to be careful about not using 100% of the charges or the spell goes away/locked?

Or does it go to zero charges and then you can charge it back up?

This is basically to know if I should bother infusing all the bravery/pheon's scrolls I've saved for my brother.

Thanks for any info.

[Izzy]

I have a mid 50's level sorcerer and I havn't bothered trying infuse quite yet. Just had a couple questions that the play.net guide didn't seem to cover. I may have just missed them, but here they are:

So you infused and charged a scroll

Do you need to be careful about not using 100% of the charges or the spell goes away/locked?

Or does it go to zero charges and then you can charge it back up?

This is basically to know if I should bother infusing all the bravery/pheon's scrolls I've saved for my brother.

Thanks for any info.
You can use all of the charges of a spell and still recharge it later. I don't know how locking occurs, though.

[NocturnalRob]

PM Allereli. She knows all about infusing.

[mgoddess]

Krakiipedia would also probably know... http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_Infusion_(714)

[Allereli]

Or does it go to zero charges and then you can charge it back up?

that

[conair4022]

If you are infusing max charges on every spell in the scroll, randomness is avoided, but you are totally stressing ya product,
think of it as rough will get ya much at first, but slow and easy wins in the end.

But with the throw away factor of scrolls, people tend to want more charges, even if its at the expense of keeping the scroll further useable.

So you got all the info from a starter guide to begin with, first thing is to test out a scroll by using the beiron'fyn stone, if you got useless 1 to 5 level spells on the scroll to trash.

The no brainer move is to unlock all spells with quiss'fyn stone, max it all and be happy for a while, but that has no style and the name of the infusing game is to prolong the longevity of the scroll.

The main part of the infusing art is to find the spell you want, leave the rest alone, and use it as long as possible without locking it, or running cold.
Hard to fight the randomness of infusing, but there are tips to co-exist

here is an example:
It takes you a moment to focus on the shimmering scroll.
On the shimmering scroll you see
(105) Poison Resistance
(301) Prayer of Holding
(301) Prayer of Holding
(202) Spirit Shield
(311) Blind
(306) Holy Bolt

First you test, if the throw away spell is unlocked, ya primed for the other spells, in this scroll, I won't use the cleric offensive spells 301, 301, 306, 311 and I got 105, so mainly this is a 202 scroll for me.

Randomness is basically the underline problem to getting the right spell ya want to keep with the quiss'fyn stone for max infusion.

So here is my routine after the initial first wave of beiron'fyn to see if the scroll is infusable, that will hit 301, 301, 202, or 105, if it hits any spells other than 202, I am happy and its good to go, but if it hits 202, then I will just stop and use it as that, since I can always infuse 202 again and again even if its just with normal charges from a beiron'fyn stone.

If everything goes well on the first beiron'fyn try, then I'll try to hit 202 with a quiss'fyn stone, then I'll stop if it works, and this scroll with have only 2 spells unlocked, and max infuse the scroll.
If first try of quiss'fyn stone unlock something else, try again ... sometimes it just isn't in the cards and useless spell is unlocked before 202, thats the randomness factor of infusing again.

So now that you unlocked and infused your scroll, you want to infuse it again yes?

The thing I notice about reinfusing is that if you have too much mana ratio to your infusing scroll need, it generally will lock it up, or run it cold.
So a good tip is to look at all the spells in the scroll, some useless spells charged to the hilt and not used once, and your favorite spell with no charges left ...
deliberately invoke some of the bad spells and release it, use some of its charges up, by purposely invoking some of the spells so that when you recharge it for the second time,
you take out the randomness of locking up your scroll.


Think of it this way, if you have 6 spells in the scroll and only used up one spell until it has no charges, you can do the math and make sure you don't have mana over the amount that the
scroll can take, but sometimes even with factoring the number you still need a good fail safe, which is the deliberate invoke of some unused spells on the scroll.


Rule of thumb, you don't need to recharge everything to the max, you must not have overwhelming mana to recharge just one spell. Watch out for hard spells to infuse in the 15th level spell
and above in other professional circle, like heroism for me, and cone of lightning, i always lock up an infused scroll with those spells in it, no matter what precaution, can't take randomness out of it.
But I do get lucky and kept a mobile scroll going for 3 reinfusion, thats 120 invoke of 18 mana, and still going strong.

So what I am saying is, ya ... with all the trainning skills and stats boost, its success is still random.
But I can live with it.

[whiteflash]

Thanks for the info everyone.

[Mala04]

A little tip that Allereli told me about is you can use 704 on the scroll. It if resists the phase, then the scroll is locked. Useful for not wasting a stone wave on a useless scroll.

[conair4022]

so the tip is 704 always work on scrolls before its unlock and also afterwards when it runs cold and lock? But scrolls always resist phase period.
how do you use phase to test? if it react the same to lock or unlock or unlocked then run cold? who budgets the wave count on a odeir'cos stone?

[Numbers]

If a scroll has never been used, phase will work on it.

It a scroll has been used even once, phase will be resisted, and you won't be able to infuse that scroll.

You can only unlock fresh, unused scrolls.

[Fallen]

If you buy a scroll from a pawnshop, cast phase at it, and it becomes phased, it is assumed to be able to be infused. If it resists the magic, it is safe to assume it has been used before and is therefor locked.

[conair4022]

So the tip is for people who don't want to bother with using an ID runestone
on an unknown scroll, or any other runestone to unlock the scroll unless first
testing with phase? sound more like some buggy accidental use of phase.

I can't see how anyone who infuse regularly, would not use odier'cos stone first on anything new, then test to unlock it with a runestone, rather than phase. For shortcuts its a given if a scroll is drop from a critter that its fresh, so no bother with wondering if its locked or used, and its also
a given that some pawn scrolls will be used, but if someone hands you an unknown scroll, like pickers, you won't go by what is told to you, you would
find out with the right way by testing it ... disarm for pickers, use an odier'cos stone for scroll infusion sorcerers.

Scroll Infusion is a costly activity in both trainning and material, there really is no way around not using the basic odier'cos stone, even if you want to save a wave or two, you need to use the best way to find out about a scroll's information.

unlock a scroll and infuse it, then test phase on it, it will resist, then sell that to pawn, and if you buy it off the table, and use phase to test it, it will resist, you won't know that this scroll was unlocked, infused and ready to go. rule of thumb ... use the right equipment, thats all I am saying.

[Numbers]

Odeir'cos won't tell you if an unknown scroll is locked or not.

[Fallen]

It will tell you if foreign scrolls have been infused, though I think that a bit much. Still, the man has his methods, and if he wants to be extremely cautious so be it.

[conair4022]

man, i do protest too much, but I guess its just one of those topic that sets me off ... Beware!

[Fallen]

I think sorcerers should be very particular in their methods concerning Scroll Infusion. IMO it is one of our most profession defining spells. One should make it their own.