Lagging monitor

[Parkbandit]

I got my wife a new computer a while back.. and recently downloaded World of Warcraft on it. MAN DOES IT LAG! The monitor seems to be the issue though.. as it lags on anything that is highly graphical. I checked the device driver and it is using a generic PnP driver. It's a ViewSonic VX2025wm.. but when I go to the manufacturers website, they don't have the damn thing listed. I've see tons of sites when I google the model number.. but they all look highly suspicious and seem to want you to download some bullshit software.

Any ideas?

[Kuyuk]

I dont think monitors lag....?

Sounds more like your graphics card / RAM

[Parkbandit]

I dont think monitors lag....?

Sounds more like your graphics card / RAM


I bought 2 of the same exact computers... one lags and one doesn't. It's the monitor or the settings for the monitor.

[AnticorRifling]

Make sure the video card drivers are up to date. Make sure your resolution and refresh rate aren't set to something retarded.

Monitor has lag, I lol in your general direction.

[Parkbandit]

Make sure the video card drivers are up to date. Make sure your resolution and refresh rate aren't set to something retarded.

Monitor has lag, I lol in your general direction.

1) Video card up to date.

2) Resolution and refresh rate are the same on both computers.

3) You are a dick.

[Celephais]

Monitor lag causes a very distinct kind of lag that's a lot different than what happens when your graphic card cannot keep up. It's "Motion" based, and not influenced by how "graphical" the scene is. Your best test would be if you could have something bright fast moving over a black background.

Does WoW let you display your Frames Per Second? If so, do that, that'll let you know if it's the monitor or your system (Low FPS would indicate that your computer cannot keep up).

As for the monitor response time, check to make sure your monitor is displaying at at least 60hz (Display Settings, Advanced Settings, Monitor). The fact that it's a "Generic PnP monitor" should make no difference.

What kind of connection are you using to your monitor (DVI, VGA, HDMI)? Is it all digital? All Analog? (using any converters?) If you have an analog output and are converting it to digital, or vise versa, that can introduce some lag. Unfortunately some graphics cards and some monitors are not "native" digital or analog dispite having plugs for both.

[Parkbandit]

The connection is a VGA connection... the computer is straight out of the box HP Pavilion a6313w connected to a ViewSonic vx2024wm monitor. When I start up WoW, the opening screen for WotLK is extremely choppy.

[Celephais]

"Choppy" is not what you would experience because of monitor lag.

Monitor lag wouldn't be noticable in something like a movie or a loading screen... it would just be milliseconds behind when the computer sent the images... So you would move your mouse, and then a split second later your character would turn.

There is also monitor "ghosting" which would be that images sort of remain on screen from the previous frame in the current frame. (Quick google page explainging shit: http://www.d-silence.com/feature.php?id=249&pn=0 http://www.d-silence.com/articles/graphics/lcd/fig2a.jpg)

Choppiness is the computer, if you don't believe me/us, swap monitors. She must have installed a ton of porn on that computer, that's why it's slow.

[Methais]

Any ideas?

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n187/LAZZOR/GIFs/1182627754301.gif

[Kuyuk]

just because a computer is brand new, doesnt mean it works awesome... specially since it's an HP...

HP's should have stopped making computers a decade ago..

Take it back and exchange it for something that works, and runs WoW :)

[Parkbandit]

just because a computer is brand new, doesnt mean it works awesome... specially since it's an HP...

HP's should have stopped making computers a decade ago..

Take it back and exchange it for something that works, and runs WoW :)


Here's the thing.. I bought two identical computers.. one runs WoW fine.. one doesn't.

[diethx]

She must have installed a ton of porn on that computer, that's why it's slow.

^

[Celephais]

Here's the thing.. I bought two identical computers.. one runs WoW fine.. one doesn't.
I know you're kinda old, but just because they're both grey boxes, doesn't mean they're identical.

[Keller]

There is a correlation of time wasted on WoW to amount of porn your spouse downloads.

It becomes exaserbated by chronic impotence.

Or so your wife told me.

[phantasm]

I was going to post something helpful but my monitor was lagging.

[Drew2]

I was going to post something helpful but my monitor was lagging.

ROFL.

[Parkbandit]

I know you're kinda old, but just because they're both grey boxes, doesn't mean they're identical.


I know you're retarded.. but when someone states they purchased two identical computers at the same time.. it should be assumed that they are indeed identical make and models. The only difference is the monitors.

[Drew2]

PB- It is not the monitors. Stop arguing.

[Celephais]

but when someone states ... it should be assumed
I'm diagnosing the symptoms. People who make statements about things they don't seem to understand are generally idiots.

http://mm.denik.cz/56/8d/dr_house2_sip-300.jpg

[Euler]

are both the monitors facing the same way? Sometimes magnetic polarity can cause monitor lag.

[Celephais]

I also hear you can catch monitor lag from having unprotected butt secks

[Euler]

but that would only explain the problem if he only shoved the lagging monitor up his butt. So park, did both monitors go into your rectum, or just one? Which one went up there first?

[Methais]

PBs monitor has AIDS and it has to spread around some more AIDS before giving it to the other monitor again.

[Parkbandit]

I understand it's not actually the physical monitor that is causing the lag.. but that it's either software or hardware that is causing it.

Nevermind though.. I'm just going to upgrade the video card and hope that is the issue. If not, I'll just buy a new computer.

[Methais]

I understand it's not actually the physical monitor that is causing the lag.. but that it's either software or hardware that is causing it.

Nevermind though.. I'm just going to upgrade the video card and hope that is the issue. If not, I'll just buy a new computer.

Have you....called HP tech support and asked them yet?

[The Ponzzz]

I'd check all the vista settings for graphics. I know there is a spot that Vista governs some of it that is separate from the other graphic settings. I just can't remember where it is. I had to toggle with it to make Oblivion better.

[Back]

There is a correlation of time wasted on WoW to amount of porn your spouse downloads.

It becomes exaserbated by chronic impotence.

Or so your wife told me.

Ouch.

[Tisket]

Hoping Keller will give you positive rep for quoting him so that PB sees it?

[Tisket]

If not, I'll just buy a new computer.

Give it to me, you wasteful bastard! I have a step kid that thinks using the family pc is beneath her.

[Back]

Hoping Keller will give you positive rep for quoting him so that PB sees it?

Hilarious.

In a word. No.

http://storymode.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/my_serious_business.jpg

[Bobmuhthol]

It's not the monitor, in case you haven't realized that yet.

[Parkbandit]

Thank god for Captain Obvious.

[Bobmuhthol]

Right, I forgot that I made a thread claiming that my monitor was lagging and argued with the 10 people who made fun of me for being so retarded. I guess I'm in the wrong here.

[Euler]

I got my wife a new computer a while back.. and recently downloaded World of Warcraft on it. MAN DOES IT LAG! The monitor seems to be the issue though..

Then bob says... it is not the monitor


then you say thanks cap'n obvious...

re-read this post a couple times...

[Stunseed]

Ctrl + Alt + Del to the task manager and see if maybe she let some of HP's stupid ass start-up programs remain, while you knowingly removed them.

It's crazy how much shit they pre-load on the machines.

[phantasm]

FIG. 2 is a more detailed diagram of the substrate 14. Again, a column control circuit 12, external to the substrate, provides video signals on lines 13 to the substrate 14. Also, the row driver circuit 25, which is well known in the art and includes TFT transistors operated from the control signals on line 21 in FIG. 1 from the control circuit 12, sequentially selects a row as is well known in the art. Rows are indicated in FIG. 2 as 1-Z rows and only the first and last rows are shown. The remaining rows are identical. It will also be noted in FIG. 2 that there are X groups of Y switching elements. A switching element comprises a transistor and its associated pixel capacitor. In the first group designated by the numeral 72, there are shown only four switching elements 86, 88, 90 and 92 for purposes of simplicity. In actuality there would be 64 such switching elements if the X groups were six groups and the total number of columns used was 384 columns. The gates of the transistors 78, 80, 82 and 84, which may be thin-film transistors deposited on the glass substrate 14, are coupled through row conductor 1 to the row driver circuit 25. A pixel capacitor or display element (94, 96, 98 and 100) is connected to the respective source electrodes of the transistors 78, 80, 82 and 84. The electrode 28 is the second plate of the pixel capacitor and is the common electrode segment that is located on the opposing substrate of the display 14.

A precharge circuit 116 generates an output signal on line 118 that is coupled to the gates of all 384 precharge transistors, one of which is coupled to each of the 384 column lines on the substrate 14. A sample of the precharge transistors is shown in group 1, designated by the block numbered 66. Precharge transistor 120 has its drain connected to a voltage source, V+, and its source electrode coupled to internal data line column D 1 . All of the odd column lines have such a transistor coupled thereto. For instance, in FIG. 2, transistors 120 and 124 have their drain electrodes coupled to a V+ voltage source 128. The transistors 122 and 126 for the even column lines have their drain electrodes connected to a V- voltage source 127. The 64 output lines D 1 -64 from the column driver circuit 12, indicated by the numeral 13, contain the video signals that are coupled in parallel to each of the X groups. For the present example wherein the number of columns is set forth to be 384, there would be six groups (X=6) of 64 columns (Y=64) that receive the multiplexed video input signals from the input lines 13 in a demultiplexed fashion. Demultiplexer circuit 102 generates phase one and phase two pulses that are coupled to the gates of demultiplexing transistors 108, 110 . . . 112 and 114 in group one in block 66. Like signals on line pair 130 and line pair 132 from demultiplexer 102 drive groups five and six (X-1 and X) designated by the numerals 68 and 70. Thus demultiplexer driving circuit 102 first couples the 64 video data input lines 13 to the 64 columns in the first group 72 of switching elements 86 88 . . . 90 and 92, then sequentially couples the 64 lines to each of the successive groups 2 through X. Thus, the 64 data input lines 13 are sequentially coupled to the next five groups of switching elements including groups 74 and 76 as shown. Each of the rows 1 through Z are also sequentially selected where, in the example given, Z would be equal to 240 rows. One row is selected each time the 64 input data lines are sequentially coupled to all of the six groups 1-X.

Thus, in summary, FIG. 2 illustrates the block diagram arrangement of the integrated data driver circuit. It has a display which, for example only, provides a 384×240 pixel color hand-held TV. The horizontal pixel count is 384. The demultiplexer transistors 108, 110, 112, and 114 and precharge transistor 120, 122, 124, and 126 in each of the six groups 66, . . . 68, and 70, are fabricated with the thin-film transistors on the display itself to transfer video data from the input lines 13 and to interface the display directly to video signals on lines 13 from a video source. As shown in FIG. 2, the video signals from the video source (off-glass integrated circuits) are arranged to come onto the display 14 sixty-four data lines at a time through input data leads 13 (D 1 -64) using one-sixth of a designated line time interval. The two control signals from the demultiplexing circuit 102 such as on lines 104 and 106 enable the first block of demultiplexing transistors 108, 110 . . . 112 and 114, in block 66 and transfer the video signals on line 13 to switching elements coupled to the display's first 64 internal data lines D 1 -D 64 . After completion of the transfer of the data to the first 64 column switching elements, the next 64 video signals will be transferred to the internal data lines D 65 -D 128 during the next one-sixth of the designated line time interval. This is done by enabling a second pair of control signals for the second demultiplexing circuit (not shown). The same operation will continue sequentially for demultiplexing circuits in groups 3 through 6. The entire one row line of video information is thus transferred to the internal data lines in 42 microseconds of allocated data input time. Seven additional microseconds are allowed for pixel settling. Thus, the total data input time is 49 microseconds.

The advantage of this new demultiplexing driving scheme is to reduce the number of external lead connections from 384 to 79 and significantly solve the TFTLCDs' assembly and packaging problems of the small connector pitch. As a result, it reduces the manufacturing cost. In addition to the demultiplexing scheme using transistors such as 108, 110 . . . 112 and 114, a precharge transistor such as transistors 120, 122 . . . 124 and 126 are used to simultaneously precharge their associated data line and switching element to either a preselected voltage level V+ or V-, so that it requires discharge of the data lines to the preselected video signal level only during the data signal input time interval. One such precharge transistor is associated with each column line. With the invention as shown, it utilizes only two transistors on each data line, a demultiplexing transistor and a precharge transistor. Therefore, the circuit is easy to manufacture with good yield.

Referring now to FIG. 2 in conjunction with the timing diagram in FIG. 3, it can be seen in line (a) of FIG. 3 that the scanning line time interval is approximately 63 microseconds for a 384×240 pixel display interfacing with the NTSC TV system. The budgeted line time is 8 microseconds for previous line deselection, 6 microseconds for scan data line precharge, 42 microseconds for the video data transferring in demultiplexed fashion from an external video source to the X groups of data lines of the display and 7 microseconds for the pixels to settle. This can be seen in line (c). Thus, reviewing line (d) of FIG. 3, it can be seen that during the first 8 microseconds of the deselect time, the previously scanned line, 1 n -1, is discharged from a select level such as 20 volts to a negative 5 volts deselected level as shown in line (e) of FIG. 3. This isolates all pixel capacitors in line n-1 so that they hold their video data charge. Following the deselect time of 8 microseconds, the precharge signal for row n shown in line (f) rises to a preselected voltage such as 25 volts for 6 microseconds. The transistors 120, 122 124 and 126 are turned on such that the odd numbered internal data lines D 1 , D 3 , . . . D 383 are precharged to the V+ level and the even-numbered internal data lines D 2 , D 4 , . . . D 384 are precharged to V- level in 6 microseconds. The V+ voltage level is approximately 5 volts and the V- voltage level is approximately 0 volts, for example. It should be understood, however, that advantageously the V+ level may be something less than 5 volts to increase the speed of operation of the device. As can be seen in FIG. 5, during the precharge time period of 6 microseconds, the internal data line and the pixel capacitor may be charged to a V+ value that is less than the 5 volt maximum voltage. Then, during the 7 microsecond time period for the data lines to charge the pixel capacitors to the data input voltage level, it requires the same time for ΔV 2 to go from V+ to the maximum data voltage and for ΔV 1 to be discharged to the minimum data voltage. In both cases, the charge time for ΔV 2 and discharge time for ΔV 1 can be shortened or optimized. The data line and the pixel capacitor charge time has been reduced to the amount of time required to obtain ΔV 2 and, if the required data line predetermined voltage is less than 5 volts, the discharge time to the required level is reduced by the amount of time equal to discharge ΔV 2 . In this manner, the V+ voltage level may be optimized so that the time difference between charging an internal data line and its associated pixel capacitor to the maximum input vido data signal level, 5 volts for example only, and discharging an internal data line and its associated pixel capacitor to the minimum input video data signal level, 0 volts for example, is minimal. Thus, less precharge time is required because the pixel capacitors are not charged to the full value of 5 volts during the precharge time period. The same analysis applies to the V- voltage level 127 as to the even precharge transistors 122 . . . 126. After all internal data lines and the pixel capacitors in a selected row such as 94, 96, . . . 98 and 100 are precharged to either V+ or V- levels, the incoming video data signals (red, green and blue) and their complementary signals are sent to the data input lines D1-D64. In this case, D 1 , D 3 , . . . D 63 are positive polarity video signals and D 2 , D 4 , . . . D 64 are their complementary polarity video signals. These video signal voltages are shown in lines (j) and (k) in FIG. 3. The control signals from demultiplexer driver circuit 102 on lines 104 and 106 are raised to 25 volts and 30 volts, respectively, as illustrated in line (g) in FIG. 3 for 7 microseconds. Each of the other X groups of input lines, in this case X=6, have the video data on lines 13 coupled thereto for 7 microseconds as shown in lines (g), (h) and (i) in FIG. 3. The reason to divide the data lines into two groups, even and odd, is because the data voltage polarity inversion scheme is used in this system. The data voltage polarity is altered between two fields of a TV frame. The last 7 microseconds of the 63 microsecond time interval is used to allow the pixels in the last group, group X, to settle.

[Nieninque]

Ouch.

I thought it more "lame" than "ouch" personally.

[Parkbandit]

Right, I forgot that I made a thread claiming that my monitor was lagging and argued with the 10 people who made fun of me for being so retarded. I guess I'm in the wrong here.


This must have been the part where you got confused:


I understand it's not actually the physical monitor that is causing the lag.. but that it's either software or hardware that is causing it.

Hopefully, you will get some reading comprehension classes in college.

[Bobmuhthol]

You know that the hardware is "the physical monitor," right? And that monitors don't have software that makes them lag?

[AnticorRifling]

Don't argue with Bob, PB. He's in college now.

[NocturnalRob]

Don't argue with Bob, PB. He's in college now.
10,000 posts!! YAY, AR!! YOUR EPEEN IS MASSIVE!!

[AnticorRifling]

Fuck and I wasted 10,000 on that?!

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah, you kind of suck. I want to take my positive rep back now please.

[AnticorRifling]

Reported.

Edit to add your positive rep is worth 8 points.

[NocturnalRob]

Edit to add your positive rep is worth 8 points.
is that good or bad? that sounds pretty weak.

[Parkbandit]

You know that the hardware is "the physical monitor," right? And that monitors don't have software that makes them lag?


Seriously? Are you fucking serious? You bump a week old thread to post this.. when clearly I've posted this not once but twice already? Here's the third time dumbfuck.. I'll even bold the part where you are too fucking stupid to read AND understand.


I understand it's not actually the physical monitor that is causing the lag..

Christ kid, get a clue. You are in college now.. try acting like you have a brain.

[Methais]

In before Bob quotes...


I understand it's not actually the physical monitor that is causing the lag.. but that it's either software or hardware that is causing it.

...and then responds with...



You know that the hardware is "the physical monitor," right? And that monitors don't have software that makes them lag?

...resulting in an endless semantics war of NO U.

[Bobmuhthol]

Fuck, Parkbandit is dumb.

[Euler]

well, if you are going to play like that, I am in before Stanley says:


Monitor or monican don't mean no thing, nothing in the city light lizzles, but for this I am angry?

Or some other thing that could either be zen mastery, or just too many drugs. Sometimes I think Stan is the smartest thing I have ever run across, but other times I think he just like the exchange kid from sweden with sorta messed up english and pants that are always just a little too tight. Court is still out.

[Methais]

I'm pretty sure the part where he said "but that it's either software or hardware causing it" was referring to hardware in his box, not his monitor.

Speaking of hardware in someone's box, I :heart: Tisket.

[Khariz]

Speaking of hardware in someone's box, I :heart: Tisket.

:love:

[Kuyuk]

tisket took box pictures? damn, I wanna see

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I'm pretty sure the part where he said "but that it's either software or hardware causing it" was referring to hardware in his box, not his monitor.>>

The problem here is that he vehemently denies the possibility of his computer being the issue.

[phantasm]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2711616881_94fc5bc67e.jpg

[Methais]

<<I'm pretty sure the part where he said "but that it's either software or hardware causing it" was referring to hardware in his box, not his monitor.>>

The problem here is that he vehemently denies the possibility of his computer being the issue.

Perhaps it's his dishwashing detergent.

[Methais]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2711616881_94fc5bc67e.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/Vince_Offer_Nigra.jpg <---- Shamwow guy

[diethx]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2711616881_94fc5bc67e.jpg

http://students.kennesaw.edu/~sjacobs9/stripe.jpg

[Bobmuhthol]

Lagging monitor (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=869420#post869420)01-11-2009 04:29 PMYour stupidity required that I also give you this. Dumbfuck. -PB

[Methais]

Tripod > diethx

[Keller]

I've come to the conclusion that:

PB =

http://www.tsscontent.ca/var/news_site/storage/images/media/images/print_content__1/comics/characters/dennis_the_menace_george_wilson/2933-1-eng-US/dennis_the_menace_george_wilson.gif

+

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/FrecklesMcFlaskAction/bobsagetissexy.jpg

[Methais]

PB sucks dick for coke?

And wtf was Bob Saget sporting that shit for? WHY!?!?!?

[Parkbandit]

I'm pretty sure the part where he said "but that it's either software or hardware causing it" was referring to hardware in his box, not his monitor.


Everyone but Bob understands that.. but it shouldn't really surprise anyone. Bob is the dumbest kid trying to be smart I've ever heard of.

[Bobmuhthol]

I bought 2 of the same exact computers... one lags and one doesn't. It's the monitor or the settings for the monitor.

lulz

[Parkbandit]

It's not the monitor, in case you haven't realized that yet.

LULZ x 221

[Bobmuhthol]

Shouldn't you be able to recognize sarcasm as the master of the universe? I wasn't trying to help you; I was blatantly making fun of you.

[Parkbandit]

Shouldn't you be able to recognize sarcasm as the master of the universe? I wasn't trying to help you; I was blatantly making fun of you.


YOU making fun of ANYONE is retarded:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/Bobtard-1.jpg


Edited to add: Before you go through your typical stupidity of "OMG U SAVED THAT PICTURE 4 SO LONG, U MAKE SUCH AN EFFORT"... it's been on Photobucket. In fact, you can find this exact picure somewhere else on these forums.

[Bobmuhthol]

That's a way to win an argument. I'll tweak my 'typical stupidity' a little bit and point out that you sit at your computer all day fully aware that you stored a picture of a 13 year old kid for the sole purpose of trying to win arguments against said 13 year old kid on the internet, and you subsequently seek conflict so that you can just trump the shit out of anything with, again, a picture of a 13 year old kid over and over like it's at all demeaning (not to mention the greatest insult of all time). You're kind of a fucking loser, dude.

Oh, and doesn't it say something when you've posted the same picture enough times to win an argument on the internet that you have to preemptively respond to what you think my reaction will be?

[Methais]

NO U


NO U


NO U


NO U


NO U

http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/uploaded_images/Hat-I%27m%20not%20opiniionated,%20just%20right-766328.jpg
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=869541&postcount=47

[Liagala]

Thank you Methais. That summed things up pretty nicely.

[diethx]

Tripod > diethx

fixed.


http://students.kennesaw.edu/~sjacobs9/stripe.jpg

[crazymage]

http://brackishwater.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/lag.jpg

[Methais]

http://brackishwater.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/lag.jpg

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/images/c/ca/Lag_compensation.jpg

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/1335/0/Star_Wars_as_a_Game.ashx

[crazymage]

http://www.forumspile.com/OMFG-Lag.jpg

[Methais]

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/5/potd/1135179054_14.jpg

[Keller]

That's a way to win an argument. I'll tweak my 'typical stupidity' a little bit and point out that you sit at your computer all day fully aware that you stored a picture of a 13 year old kid for the sole purpose of trying to win arguments against said 13 year old kid on the internet, and you subsequently seek conflict so that you can just trump the shit out of anything with, again, a picture of a 13 year old kid over and over like it's at all demeaning (not to mention the greatest insult of all time). You're kind of a fucking loser, dude.

Oh, and doesn't it say something when you've posted the same picture enough times to win an argument on the internet that you have to preemptively respond to what you think my reaction will be?

He's too busy leading a raid to respond.

Let me sum it up for you, though: ":rofl: you are such an idiot Witty Picture Showing How Good I am at the Internetz