Pondering the point

[Bestatte]

Alright I'm not gonna get into the whole "play a real RP game try this one" stuff...because it doesn't belong here. But I'd like to ask something of the people who prefer the hack-n-slash side of text games, and the whole "leet skills" stuff and dueling and PvP.

And I mean this sincerely, it's not any attempt to poke fun of anyone or make a snide remark, but I really -hate- smileys so I'm not gonna use them.

The question is, why would you pay to play a game where your behavior causes so much OOC conflict, when you can play games that -cater- to your preferred style of playing?

There are literally hundreds of games out there where PvP is allowed, RP isn't required or even encouraged, where you can roll up a dark elven wizard and blast your way to power and fame and fortune, be a bully or a hero, be a thief or a warrior, all the things that gemstone has, without the hassle of the whole OOC crap that you get as a result of your personal preference of playing styles.

You wouldn't have anyone trashing you for dueling, because dueling is a part of these games. You wouldn't have to listen to people making cheap shots at your grammar or spelling or punctuation, because in these other games no one gives a shit.

So why are you playing gemstone? These other games, some of them, have pretty great worlds built. Decent room descriptions, quests and treasure hunts, mazes and GM interaction, without all the back and forth "warn" and "report/assist" and all that stuff.

Plus these other games are free. And yeah, I consider that a significant factor.

If you prefer the hack-n-slash PK type of game, why are you paying to play a game that was initially designed to be a hybrid roleplay-skills game? Why not just play one of the games out there that will give you -exactly- what you seem to enjoy most, without the headache of having to deal with roleplayers on your ass all the time?

Again, I mean this as a sincere question, from the other side of the situation since I often look from the RPer's perspective and thought I'd take a look at the reasoning behind the H&S'ers for a change.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

Attention I would guess

[Sumone]

Originally posted by Bestatte
There are literally hundreds of games out there where PvP is allowed, RP isn't required or even encouraged, where you can roll up a dark elven wizard and blast your way to power and fame and fortune, be a bully or a hero, be a thief or a warrior, all the things that gemstone has, without the hassle of the whole OOC crap that you get as a result of your personal preference of playing styles.
change.

I think you are mistaking CvC and PvP. There is a difference. Witty banter is not the only form of good roleplaying.

The real question is why are you playing GS if you prefer roleplaying that does not include any sort of physical confrontation among characters?

GS does not require RP at all. Look at their description on some of the MUD listings. They have RP as optional. There are MUDs out there that do not allow conflict among characters. Some focus on roleplaying much more heavily than GS.

The great thing about GS is the variety. Not everyone swings so far to the left or right. So what if people duel at the boulder? How does it detract from the enjoyment of the game for those who do not like to duel?

[Gokkem]

Yeah. In those games, they would be just another player...but in GS, they are well known for all the wrong reasons. Some people demand attention, any way they can get it. Heh reminds me of my kids at times........

[Morstanya]

I really don't think those MUD listings reflect on the real experience in game. I tried TEC (The Eternal City) and it's listed as RP required. Well, inside one month my char was attacked by someone that would not interact with me despite my efforts. They killed me and robbed from my corpse everything I'd gained. That's not exactly what I'd call RP.

[Scott]

People enjoy conflict, I know I do. If CvC/PvP wasn't allowed at all in Gemstone, I would leave. I enjoy a lot of other things in the game though besides it, which is why I stay in Gemstone and not go to a PvP game. Things get boring when everyone is nice to eachother and nothing ever happens. I don't know if you ever played Everquest, but when someone starts being a complete ass there and "poach," you can't do anything about it. You can't kill them, you can't even knock them around to get them to stop. Gemstone allows you to do anything you want, including killing people. That's why I stay around....

[Sweets]

Do you still play gemstone?


If not, why do you still read and post on a gemstone board?

If you answered no to still playing gemstone, and answered my second question, you probably have the answer to your own question above.

If you still play gemstone, well, *shrugs* I guess it's hard to explain the complaining yet the need to play in words.

[imported_Kranar]

I prefer GS to any free PvP game simply because of the interface.

All the free PvP games have the most horrid interface I've ever seen. Just because they cater to PvP doesn't make them good. I mean, this is a text game, the least that a text game can do for its customers is make it look semi-presentable.

I'm no RPer, but I'm not a disturber either. I just want a fun game that I can hang around and enjoy like I would any other game. Gemstone and Dragonrealms are so well presented in both style and interface, that honestly it doesn't even bother me one bit that I'm playing a text game. I may as well be playing a graphical game.

[Edited on 7-16-2003 by Kranar]

[Gokkem]

Originally posted by Sweets
Do you still play gemstone?


If not, why do you still read and post on a gemstone board?

If you answered no to still playing gemstone, and answered my second question, you probably have the answer to your own question above.

If you still play gemstone, well, *shrugs* I guess it's hard to explain the complaining yet the need to play in words.

I don't play Gemstone anymore. Nor do quite a few of the mods and Administrators. However we really enjoy these boards and we've all met some great friends here. We consider ourself a big happy family. Just because we don't play doesn't mean we can't post about the game LOL. I, like others, played for over 5 years so yes we do know what we are talking about.

[imported_Kranar]

Heh... it's funny because the owner of this BBS doesn't play GS either.

[Gokkem]

Heh yep, exactly what I was thinking. Never did like the question 'if you don't play why do you post?'

Easy, I have a lot of friends here, and these boards are INCREDIBLY entertaining. Hell this could be called the 'outhouse lovers forums' and I'd still post here.

Ok, maybe that's stretching it.......

[Red Devil]

Originally posted by Bestatte
Alright I'm not gonna get into the whole "play a real RP game try this one" stuff...because it doesn't belong here. But I'd like to ask something of the people who prefer the hack-n-slash side of text games, and the whole "leet skills" stuff and dueling and PvP.

And I mean this sincerely, it's not any attempt to poke fun of anyone or make a snide remark, but I really -hate- smileys so I'm not gonna use them.

The question is, why would you pay to play a game where your behavior causes so much OOC conflict, when you can play games that -cater- to your preferred style of playing?

There are literally hundreds of games out there where PvP is allowed, RP isn't required or even encouraged, where you can roll up a dark elven wizard and blast your way to power and fame and fortune, be a bully or a hero, be a thief or a warrior, all the things that gemstone has, without the hassle of the whole OOC crap that you get as a result of your personal preference of playing styles.

You wouldn't have anyone trashing you for dueling, because dueling is a part of these games. You wouldn't have to listen to people making cheap shots at your grammar or spelling or punctuation, because in these other games no one gives a shit.

So why are you playing gemstone? These other games, some of them, have pretty great worlds built. Decent room descriptions, quests and treasure hunts, mazes and GM interaction, without all the back and forth "warn" and "report/assist" and all that stuff.

Plus these other games are free. And yeah, I consider that a significant factor.

If you prefer the hack-n-slash PK type of game, why are you paying to play a game that was initially designed to be a hybrid roleplay-skills game? Why not just play one of the games out there that will give you -exactly- what you seem to enjoy most, without the headache of having to deal with roleplayers on your ass all the time?

Again, I mean this as a sincere question, from the other side of the situation since I often look from the RPer's perspective and thought I'd take a look at the reasoning behind the H&S'ers for a change.

Heres the NUMBER ONE REASON WHY WE DO IT. Playing a game where PvP is allowed,
1, simply isn't fun
2, isn't against the rules to pvp
3, We'd rather kill the cattle who don't know its coming

[Sweets]

I didn't intend to insinuate "If you don't play why do you post".

I meant to say "If you don't play but still post here it's for a reason. Most likely thing as said, friendship, or maybe habit, weird addiction...or whatnot.

I was hoping that would answer her own question for her on the whole complaint issue.

[Parkbandit]

Top 10 Reasons why I play Gemstone vs a free game:

10) I invest my time into a character and would be at the mercy of the game's maker not to run off and get a real job.. thus losing my character.

9) You get what you pay for. Gemstone has some 20,000 individual rooms? Show me a free game that has half the detail of Gemstone.

8) Because the thought of having to write out a long essay on what my character will be prior to playing simply isn't fun to me.

7) Because I don't want to feel obligated to visit other successful MUD BBS and try to recruit players to my game because the base of players is small.

6) I heard that roleplaying by yourself will make you go blind.

5) I enjoy the game I am currently playing.

4) I am familiar with Gemstone and do not feel the need to go learn another game at this time.

3) My main character thrives in conflict and where else can you find the likes of Warclaidhm, Haashek and Klaive to annoy?

2) Free games come and go.. Gemstone has established itself as an industry leader. I'm not to worried about it packing it in anytime soon.

And the number one answer of why I play Gemstone vs a free game is:

1) I would get bored picking on the other player in the free game.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Sweets
I didn't intend to insinuate "If you don't play why do you post".

I meant to say "If you don't play but still post here it's for a reason. Most likely thing as said, friendship, or maybe habit, weird addiction...or whatnot.

I was hoping that would answer her own question for her on the whole complaint issue.

Recruiting.

[Bestatte]

Parkbandit, I think you're way off base in your assessment of my interest in this forum.

I've been an active member of it since its inception and one of the first moderators signed on since I left the-spot. I was still playing Gemstone then, and still have a tie to many of its current players.

If you bother going to the trouble of looking at my posts, you'll see *very few* that are active or even passive recruiting attempts to join another game, compared to my posts critiquing Gemstone, complimenting Simutronics, defending my critiques and compliments, and my various opinions in the off-topic folder about mundane non-game-related subjects.

You'll even notice, if you bother to look, that the last time I posted about any other specific game was in mid-June, in the appropritate folder the forum admin was kind enough to create, and that other people have posted *regularly* about other games in that folder before, during, and since my last post about that game.

So lay off the accusations of my trying to recruit. Two dozen posts in a 2-year period about 2 different games, compared with how many *hundreds* of posts I've placed in total, does not make for someone obsessed with recruiting.

Sweets, no I don't play GS anymore and haven't for the past year or so. But I read these boards and notice many players seem to like the hack and slash type of system, where roleplaying is *allowed* but not *necessary,* and where PKing is not met with scorn from other players.

I don't mean this thread to be a "why PK in GS" thread, though it seems you might have only extracted that one small bit from my original post and decided that's all I was talking about.

I'm talking about the people who like to play whatever they want to play, without having to worry about other players accusing them of being snerts. I'm talking about the whole concept of people using OOC means to play their characters, such as the "help, I'm dead in the Sentoph, can someone log in and rescue me so I don't decay?" kind of thing.

I'm talking about this TYPE of player, who isn't interested in delving deep into the RP aspect of Gemstone (which -can- be extremely rewarding for those who ARE interested in it). The question is to those types of people, as to why they would pay to play a game where other players would come to forums to complain about them incessantly. Why not play a game where they don't have to defend their game choices instead?

I hope this is more clear than my initial post, but I don't see any difference other than the wording. The question remains the same.

[Parkbandit]

Actually I was answering Sweet's question of why do people who don't play the game any longer bother reading and responding to this or any other MUD BBS.

I responded "Recruiting". If you believe that there is no one that posts on this BBS that has the intention of bringing people from Gemstone to a game they enjoy.. then state your case against it.

Good or bad.. people who don't play this game do come here to recruit. Period.

[Bestatte]

Parkbandit, you are wrong. Period.

As others have pointed out, there are many of us who post here, and in fact the person who CREATED this forum doesn't play Gemstone anymore. I would say that MOST of us who don't play here, are NOT here to recruit.

Yes, I would love it if a few folks who read here would look at the game I play and consider it as an option, but that is not the reason I post here, which is obvious if you take the time to look at the variety of things I post about. I say the same about almost every single person who comes to this forum who also does not play Gemstone. I can think of a couple of people who have come specifically to recruit, but they don't post in these normal folders, and only post in the other games folder, and in fact have only posted a very few times in total.

I don't know where you're getting this notion that people who don't play GS have no other interest in this forum besides recruiting for other games, but it is just simply not true.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Actually I was answering Sweet's question of why do people who don't play the game any longer bother reading and responding to this or any other MUD BBS.

I responded "Recruiting". If you believe that there is no one that posts on this BBS that has the intention of bringing people from Gemstone to a game they enjoy.. then state your case against it.

Good or bad.. people who don't play this game do come here to recruit. Period.

Who has been trying to recruit people? I don't play and I keep moderating/reading these boards because Gemstone will always hold some interest with me, especially since my fiance still plays regularly. Hell I may play again one day if they prove me wrong that it could be fun again. But I've never tried to recruit someone to the game I currently play, other than when I commented on it in the other games folder when they asked.

The only time I would "recruit" people is if they come to me and ask me personally what I would suggest to play if they no longer wanted to play Gemstone and then yes, I would suggest mine. But nowhere have I suggested to people to leave this game to go to another one unless they were here bitching about how they hate it, and a response of leave and play something else is rather natural and in no way a recruiting effort.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Bestatte
Parkbandit, you are wrong. Period.

As others have pointed out, there are many of us who post here, and in fact the person who CREATED this forum doesn't play Gemstone anymore. I would say that MOST of us who don't play here, are NOT here to recruit.

Yes, I would love it if a few folks who read here would look at the game I play and consider it as an option, but that is not the reason I post here, which is obvious if you take the time to look at the variety of things I post about. I say the same about almost every single person who comes to this forum who also does not play Gemstone. I can think of a couple of people who have come specifically to recruit, but they don't post in these normal folders, and only post in the other games folder, and in fact have only posted a very few times in total.

I don't know where you're getting this notion that people who don't play GS have no other interest in this forum besides recruiting for other games, but it is just simply not true.

Never said no other reason.. but if you wish to believe people who no longer play Gemstone would never try to recruit any of their current players to their game.. then you are living in a fantasy world of your own dear. ;)

You yourself have done it a number of times.

[Parkbandit]

Not everyone that no longer plays Gemstone and posts here is recruiting for their game. Heck, there are a couple non-gemstoners here that don't play any text rpgs right now.

But it does happen. I've even done it by mentioning games like Castle Wolfenstein.

[Bestatte]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Actually I was answering Sweet's question of why do people who don't play the game any longer bother reading and responding to this or any other MUD BBS.

I responded "Recruiting". If you believe that there is no one that posts on this BBS that has the intention of bringing people from Gemstone to a game they enjoy.. then state your case against it.

Good or bad.. people who don't play this game do come here to recruit. Period.

Parkbandit, I refer you to your own post.

Sweet asked why people would come to this forum if they don't even play GS anymore. Your answer is that they come here to recruit. PERIOD. Period, as in, end of story, no further explanation needed.

When you emphasize a statement like that, you are implying by your own words that you do not feel there is any other valid explanation.

If you didn't really mean this, then I'm glad. But hopefully you will understand why both CrystalTears and I have jumped on your post, which seemed to be pretty self-explanatory: that you believe the primary reason for X-GSers to post here is to recruit. And that we disagree emphatically with the assessment you wrote in your own words, with your own emphasis.

[CrystalTears]

That's why I said something because you added the PERIOD on there. Had you just said that it was your belief, that's one thing. But stating that it's the reason PERIOD seems to mean that you know that's the main reason for their posting and there's no swaying you.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'll reason PERIOD YOU if you don't stop capitalizing things so much. Heh.

[vigilante]

yeah, it's starting to FEEL like BURZMALLI is here to CLAID someone.

[Parkbandit]

LOL... you jump all over me and my post because of a dot.

Come on ladies.. let's not get your panties in a twist.

People do come here to recruit.

EEP!! Another period.. hold on...

Ok, people do come here to recruit

[Parkbandit]

Oh wait.. you are actually referring to my use of the WORD period.

Oh.. I guess that was a little harsh and not intended to mean the only reason people come here who don't play gemstone are here to recruit. Sorry for the confusion.

Period.

[Sweets]

Bestatte quote"I don't mean this thread to be a "why PK in GS" thread, though it seems you might have only extracted that one small bit from my original post and decided that's all I was talking about.

I'm talking about the people who like to play whatever they want to play, without having to worry about other players accusing them of being snerts. I'm talking about the whole concept of people using OOC means to play their characters, such as the "help, I'm dead in the Sentoph, can someone log in and rescue me so I don't decay?" kind of thing.

I'm talking about this TYPE of player, who isn't interested in delving deep into the RP aspect of Gemstone (which -can- be extremely rewarding for those who ARE interested in it). The question is to those types of people, as to why they would pay to play a game where other players would come to forums to complain about them incessantly. Why not play a game where they don't have to defend their game choices instead?

I hope this is more clear than my initial post, but I don't see any difference other than the wording. The question remains the same."unquote

Nope that's what I got out of the post. I know my answers are simple...but heh...I'm a simple gal.

I was hoping to give a ball park answer about that type of player.
Answer they have friends in game...just can't stay away..love conflict.....the answers are endless. Hope I cleared that up and I am understanding correctly...I did say I am simple.:bouncy:

[Edited on 7-16-2003 by Sweets]

[imported_Kranar]

<< Come on ladies.. let's not get your panties in a twist. People do come here to recruit. >>

Damn... and I thought you only ever made blanket statements about political issues... now you're making blanket statements about why people post on this BBS?

Prove it Parkbandit. You made it very clear that people who post here, who don't play GS, are recruiting.

Please, for once in the history of this BBS, prove your blanket statement. Direct us blind, ignorant fools to some posts by people who don't play GS, who are RECRUITING people to play another game.

<< Come on ladies.. let's not get your panties in a twist. >>

That statement does not constitute proof. That's just a cheap and poor blanket statement to try and frustrate the poster and does nothing to substantiate your argument. Do you even have any idea who even plays and who doesn't play GS to make such a blanket statement?

The main reason I post here is because this place has honestly got to be the most entertaining place on the internet.

[Edited on 7-16-2003 by Kranar]

[Dighn Darkbeam]

I dont know why, but the thought of scorned players trying to recruit from the GS player base bothers me more than it should.

[Parkbandit]

Easy Kranar...

Please read the post below the one you quoted.

Here's the exerpt you can pay close attention to right here:

"Oh.. I guess that was a little harsh and not intended to mean the only reason people come here who don't play gemstone are here to recruit. Sorry for the confusion. "

While I do appreciate Bestatte's posts and thoughts about things in general, I find an underlying motive for some of her posts. That motive is to try and recruit people who play Gemstone into the game she is playing currently.

The 'Proof' you so desire would be found in this message board in another topic.

By the way, there are hundreds of billions of planets out in the universe... chances are there is life out there somewhere. :)

[Bestatte]

Right Parkbandit. I'm eager to see the quality people here all jumping on the other game's bandwagon. So eager, in fact, that I made a special effort to include in my post in that other folder (the one that the forum's admin put up *specifically* for the purpose of recruiting other games, go figure)...

That people who are currently playing Gemstone, who are enjoying their time in Gemstone, should NOT try to play the other game.

Just remember, you're the one who continues to derail the topics that I post in, and turn them into vague references to this mysterious other game that I try REALLY hard to avoid discussing outside its appropriate folder.

But it's all good I guess, because hopefully someone who is *actively* seeking a game other than GS to try out will look in that other topic and give it some consideration.

[Parkbandit]

Perception is reality Bestatte.

Whether you agree or disagree with my perception is not relevant. I perceive that you posted this thread to spur interest in games other than Gemstone.

[imported_Kranar]

You make no sense, instead of formulating a solid argument you resort to cheap tactics trying to frustrate the reader. If that's the style of posting you wish to present, then it's time to start taking the heat for it because quite frankly it's poor and since you seem to be so concerned with perception and so eager to criticize Bestatte's underlying motives, it would do you good to look at your own posts for once.

Instead of going on the defensive with stupid one liners all the time, try proving a point, because "Perception is reality d00d" and right now the only perception you give off is a truly pathetic one.

It's clear that you obviously have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim, and it looks like you even admit that you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim... the point that some us are making is that next time, instead of making some out of the blue, pointless, thoughtless blanket statement... think... use your brain for just 2 minutes before posting. That way you don't have to retract everything you say and dig a hole for yourself with stupid comments.

That's perception for you. It won't surprise me one bit for you to respond to this post with a "You're living in a fantasy d00d, wake up maaaan. There are billion planets in the universe maaaan, that's why I'm so right maaaan and you're so wrong. Why are your panties all twisted maaaan? I have no point to make maaaan... so maybe if I just try and tell someone they're living fantasies or talk about their panties or some other dumbass one liner they'll back off maaaan."

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]

[Bestatte]

Yes, Parkbandit, you just keep living in your dream world dear, and enjoy the fantasy of your life.


Originally posted by Parkbandit
Perception is reality Bestatte.

Whether you agree or disagree with my perception is not relevant. I perceive that you posted this thread to spur interest in games other than Gemstone.

[Parkbandit]

It's obvious that I irritate you Kranar.. is it because I simply do not bow down and kiss your ass on these boards because you are the admin? Or perhaps it's because many of your arguments are normally full of holes and that when I point them out, you have to resort to your usual 'You're a strawman' comeback.

Fact: Bestatte has recruited for the game she is currently playing on this message board before.

Fact: I've called her on that in another thread.

Fact: I DID say that people who don't play gemstone and post here are recruiting period.

Fact: I retracted the above statement as that was not my intention. My intention was that it IS one of the reasons, not the sole reason.

Fact: I feel the initial post in this thread was another attempt at Bestatte to gain interest in other online RPGs

So what is it that is still unclear to you Kranar? Let me know so I can once again point it out for you.

Here's the one liner I would use in this case for you Kranar:

You obviously have some pent up frustrations... you need a release.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Bestatte
Yes, Parkbandit, you just keep living in your dream world dear, and enjoy the fantasy of your life.



And I may very well be...

But let me make one thing perfectly clear with you Bestatte...

I've zero problem with you whatsoever. None. I enjoy your presence on these boards and 98% of the time I actually agree with you. I never had an issue with you in the game either.

[imported_Kranar]

<< It's obvious that I irritate you Kranar.. is it because I simply do not bow down and kiss your ass on these boards because you are the admin? >>

Yes, that's exactly it Parkbandit.

Keep it up with the baseless accusations and one liners. Your credibility is already down the drain, I suppose for a person in your position it makes sense to resort to cheap petty clichés.

"You need release from your fantasy maaaan cuz your panties have 1 billion planets in them maaan... I'm so cool with my one liner cheap shots maaaan."

Get a grip.

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Kranar
<<
clichés.


[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]


off topic, didn't knew english keyboards had those accents we have in french|spanish `¸¨^ etc etc...
it's even nicer like that, Kranar... i always swallow strangely when i see déjà vu without the proper accents

Parkbandit, are you Fangrin (sp)? the roguish bad|nice ass i was "friend" with on teras? the one with the jacket that says the park in landing was yours?

[Scott]

<<<It's obvious that I irritate you Kranar.. is it because I simply do not bow down and kiss your ass on these boards because you are the admin?>>>

Come on now... surely you can think of something better to say then that. I don't think anyone agree's with Kranar because he's an admin. The reason you are irritating is because as soon as you fall behind in an arguement, you start saying stupid things like that.

[Bestatte]

Actually, the reason I thought to start this thread was because I notice (reading back on previous posts of mine) that I tend to come off as an arrogant RP-elitist who thinks that any game that doesn't enforce roleplay over other things is a "bad thing" (tm).

And I wanted to try and understand things from the other side of the coin, from the casual player who prefers the hack-n-slash part of gaming.

Since Gemstone is a hybrid that encourages both and supports both to some great extent, it just seemed like a perfect place to ask. It attracts both - but why?

Why would a hard-core roleplayer -want- to be surrounded by hack-n-slashers - AND
why would hack-n-slashers want to be surrounded by roleplayers?

It just seem that each is constantly getting into the other's face..and causing OOC conflicts rather than IC ones.

And so I put the question here from the H&S'ers point of view, since I already have my opinion from the RPer's point of view.

Hope that answers your question - if you actually asked it. Or at least addresses your concern.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
<<<It's obvious that I irritate you Kranar.. is it because I simply do not bow down and kiss your ass on these boards because you are the admin?>>>

Come on now... surely you can think of something better to say then that. I don't think anyone agree's with Kranar because he's an admin. The reason you are irritating is because as soon as you fall behind in an arguement, you start saying stupid things like that.

I'm trying to find a point where I fell behind any argument with Kranar. Perhaps that is the issue here.

[imported_Kranar]

<< I don't think anyone agree's with Kranar because he's an admin. >>

I find very few people agree with me on much, period.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Xcalibur

Originally posted by Kranar
<<
clichés.


[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]


off topic, didn't knew english keyboards had those accents we have in french|spanish `¸¨^ etc etc...
it's even nicer like that, Kranar... i always swallow strangely when i see déjà vu without the proper accents

Parkbandit, are you Fangrin (sp)? the roguish bad|nice ass i was "friend" with on teras? the one with the jacket that says the park in landing was yours?

Falgrin.. and yes, the park is his.

And by bad/nice ass... do you mean he was a bad rogue with a nice ass? or that he was sometimes a badass.. sometimes a niceass?

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Parkbandit]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kranar
<< It's obvious that I irritate you Kranar.. is it because I simply do not bow down and kiss your ass on these boards because you are the admin? >>

Yes, that's exactly it Parkbandit.

Keep it up with the baseless accusations and one liners. Your credibility is already down the drain, I suppose for a person in your position it makes sense to resort to cheap petty clichés.

"You need release from your fantasy maaaan cuz your panties have 1 billion planets in them maaan... I'm so cool with my one liner cheap shots maaaan."

Get a grip.

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]

You know.. the more I read your posts Kranar.. the more I feel you are nothing more than a simple hypocrit.

"Get a grip?" Is that not a one liner? Is that not cliche?

You've done nothing in this thread but demand that I post my proof... I do so.. and you have this to come back with?

Sorry pal, but if it's credibility you desire.. this was not the post to get it with.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Fact: I DID say that people who don't play gemstone and post here are recruiting period.

Fact: I retracted the above statement as that was not my intention. My intention was that it IS one of the reasons, not the sole reason.


Okay first you're lumping every non-players' intentions when posting on these boards based on the actions of one non-player. Huge assumption and rather wrong.

Secondly, even though she may have stated in past threads other games and may have ruffled my feathers, it really hasn't been that many times to give her this much grief. In her defense, the times she's done it the most recently has been in the Other Games folder which is the intent of that folder in the first place. So you're blaming her for going into the appropriate folder and mentioning what game she plays? That's a bit unfair.

She may not be a player and she may have been guilty of saying she plays something else, and Lord knows I've jumped on her for doing it :P but as far as this thread goes, I didn't get that impression that she was plugging to get people to go elsewhere. I saw it as an honest request to see why people would want to play this game if they are either a hardcore roleplayer or just a powerhunter with no interest of roleplaying, and quite frankly, I was interested in some answers myself. Instead many people, you mostly, took the approach of bashing her instead of giving her the answer she was looking for. Had someone else posted that, everyone would have joined and not given this thread that negative mentality. Give her the benefit of the doubt once in a while.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Xcalibur

Originally posted by Kranar
<<
clichés.


[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]


off topic, didn't knew english keyboards had those accents we have in french|spanish `¸¨^ etc etc...
it's even nicer like that, Kranar... i always swallow strangely when i see déjà vu without the proper accents

Parkbandit, are you Fangrin (sp)? the roguish bad|nice ass i was "friend" with on teras? the one with the jacket that says the park in landing was yours?

Falgrin.. and yes, the park is his.

And by bad/nice ass... do you mean he was a bad rogue with a nice ass? or that he was sometimes a badass.. sometimes a niceass?

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Parkbandit]

you were among the 4-5 reasons i loved teras.. Vill or VAll something, was a damn nice magical rogue, the young empath... she was in her 20's... And that wannabe rogue that had a 10X broadsword and was an ass to everyone, when everybody was angry at him, he aimed to me that i was a treator, holy shit the guy took the game seriously...


NO ahh i'm a brown noser!

[Bestatte]

Alright ALLA YAZ this is MY thread. MINE MINE MINE! Kranar, go to your corner. CrystalTears, stop defending me damnit. Parkbandit, if you have an answer to my question, answer it and then SHADDUP. Frenchy, crist du chalice fer crying out loud you're driving me nuts! Tabernacle! GAHH

MY thread. MINE. Mine mine mine mine mine. Now everyone stop bitching at each other and get back to discussing the topic before I get REALLY mad.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Bestatte
Alright ALLA YAZ this is MY thread. MINE MINE MINE! Kranar, go to your corner. CrystalTears, stop defending me damnit. Parkbandit, if you have an answer to my question, answer it and then SHADDUP. Frenchy, crist du chalice fer crying out loud you're driving me nuts! Tabernacle! GAHH

MY thread. MINE. Mine mine mine mine mine. Now everyone stop bitching at each other and get back to discussing the topic before I get REALLY mad.


AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA man...
Criss de caliss, tabarnak... how you know that? man it's really very very slang evil demon here

[imported_Kranar]

I think the whole point thus far is that next time someone posts a thread... Parkbandit is best to keep his petty accusations to himself and get on with the discussion. If he wants to make one word posts that are nothing more than an attempt to frustrate the originator of the thread, then he shouldn't be surprised when he takes the heat for it.

It would have been a good discussion, hopefully it still can be...

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Bestatte
CrystalTears, stop defending me damnit.

<mutters> Try and be nice.. <mutters>.. and ya get nothing but 'tude. <mutters>

[Bestatte]

And it's Kranar's fault for poking fun at Parkbandit, and CrystalTears for being a noogiehead, and Frenchy's fault for derailing the topic, and Bobmuthol's fault for being Bobmuthol, and Red Devil's fault just on general principal.

And I know those terms because I lived in Quebec province for a summer and had to learn French in a hurry so people would be civil to me.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Bestatte
And it's Kranar's fault for poking fun at Parkbandit, and CrystalTears for being a noogiehead, and Frenchy's fault for derailing the topic, and Bobmuthol's fault for being Bobmuthol, and Red Devil's fault just on general principal.

And I know those terms because I lived in Quebec province for a summer and had to learn French in a hurry so people would be civil to me.

i never derail a topic as you said, as i don't know how you do it.. ;)

You lived a summer and knew those expressions? man you were with lumberjacks or big truck drivers?



to stay on the topic i'd say yes i agree

[Bestatte]

Steel workers. Same thing I guess.

I can read french fairly well, and can understand if they speak REALLY slowly. But only Quebec french; the Paris stuff makes my mouth feel sour when I try to speak it.

Agosh, adroit, ou sont les toilettes, and the swear words - oh yeah and if you want everything on your burger you say "all dressed" and it comes with cole slaw on the bun and mustard. Oh and mustard goes on EVERYTHING in Quebec.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kranar
I think the whole point thus far is that next time someone posts a thread... Parkbandit is best to keep his petty accusations to himself and get on with the discussion. If he wants to make one word posts that are nothing more than an attempt to frustrate the originator of the thread, then he shouldn't be surprised when he takes the heat for it.

It would have been a good discussion, hopefully it still can be...

Actually Kranar... you've done nothing here but insite and aggrevate. Our 'discussion' was well on it's way to being completed without you feeling the need to come in and 'try' to belittle me.

I find it amusing looking back at your posts here that you actually had any other point. Frustrations from other threads where you couldn't defend yourself by sticking to the facts of the debate?

But hey... (here's a little one liner that cliche for you) I'll let bygones be bygones. As Bestatte said.. this is her thread.. let's get back to the discussion.

:roll:

[Parkbandit]

Funny how I was banned from posting and viewing this thread for a little bit.. weird.

Edited to add disclaimer: Bestatte let me know it's a 'feature' on these boards... so it was not funny or weird.

Please don't have an aneurysm Kranar. My most humblest of all apologies.

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Parkbandit]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
you were among the 4-5 reasons i loved teras.. Vill or VAll something, was a damn nice magical rogue, the young empath... she was in her 20's... And that wannabe rogue that had a 10X broadsword and was an ass to everyone, when everybody was angry at him, he aimed to me that i was a treator, holy shit the guy took the game seriously...


NO ahh i'm a brown noser!

The empath was probably Cerrenia... the rogue I'm guessing was Vollendam... not sure the others.

Yea, I had fun with your character too. Nice to see a warmage in action.

Edited to add: Was the rogue Atreau? I can't think of any other wannabe rogues during that time period that got under everyone's skin..

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Parkbandit]

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Xcalibur
you were among the 4-5 reasons i loved teras.. Vill or VAll something, was a damn nice magical rogue, the young empath... she was in her 20's... And that wannabe rogue that had a 10X broadsword and was an ass to everyone, when everybody was angry at him, he aimed to me that i was a treator, holy shit the guy took the game seriously...


NO ahh i'm a brown noser!

The empath was probably Cerrenia... the rogue I'm guessing was Vollendam... not sure the others.

Yea, I had fun with your character too. Nice to see a warmage in action.

Edited to add: Was the rogue Atreau? I can't think of any other wannabe rogues during that time period that got under everyone's skin..

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Parkbandit]

no it starts with a R... he had a brother...

my other post was deleted, it's very bad! !!

rakishak? something of the like..

for the empath it was starting with a t... she was in her 20, the dwarven girl empath was always afk, that's not her
the R rogue was always stealing from the T empath...
Volendam was really a nice buddy, in his 150 i think he saids..

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Xcalibur]

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Xcalibur]

[Bestatte]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Funny how I was banned from posting and viewing this thread for a little bit.. weird.


d00d

can I say it? Yeah, I can. Well maybe I can't, but I will anyway.

You are SO fucked up. No, really. I mean - c'mon guy, you were not banned. Neither was I when *I* was unable to view this thread for a minute there.

It's one of those little annoyances with forums like these when a few people try to post at the same time and it freezes up and returns an error - or just freezes completely (depending on the severity of the situation).

Ever try using an old fashioned non-electric manual typewriter? And how when you try to hit the h and the g keys at the same time they lock in the middle and neither of them hits the platen?

That's what happened.

d00d - you REALLY need some fiber in your diet because you are FUCKED up.

<giggles maniacally>

[Parkbandit]

It didn't simply hang up on me... I got a message that I was not allowed to view or post in the thread. Lasted only a couple of minutes though.

Hey.. if it's a 'feature' of these boards.. grand. Was just strangely coincidental is all :)

[Parkbandit]

And I do need fiber in my diet. Too much of a meat and potato kind of guy..

Salad!? BAH!

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
And I do need fiber in my diet. Too much of a meat and potato kind of guy..

Salad!? BAH!

salad is for the animals, we are carnivorus...
bring me some red raw meat (that i eat almost burned up, heheh)

I got the "lag" too, i thought i had a virus cause it was really really slow, i even rebooted

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Kranar
I think the whole point thus far is that next time someone posts a thread... Parkbandit is best to keep his petty accusations to himself and get on with the discussion. If he wants to make one word posts that are nothing more than an attempt to frustrate the originator of the thread, then he shouldn't be surprised when he takes the heat for it.

It would have been a good discussion, hopefully it still can be...

All I've seen is some admin snipe at him and his responses to being snipped at. And so far as one liners, you truly are a hypocrit. Maaaaaaan.

[imported_Kranar]

Okay... then explain this:

"Frustrations from other threads where you couldn't defend yourself by sticking to the facts of the debate?"

That was from Parkbandit, speaking about sticking to the facts of the debate, keeping the discussion within the debate... all the while in a previous post WITHIN this thread, he states totally out the blue:

"By the way, there are hundreds of billions of planets out in the universe... chances are there is life out there somewhere."

And now I'm somehow the hypocrit? Now I'm the one who can't stick to the debate? And now you're wondering why I think Parkbandit has nothing better to say but cheap shots to frustrate the poster?

So yes... I'm sick of it, as you can no doubt tell. I can see how it comes off as snipping to you because this is the first time you've seen it. On the surface his out of the blue comment seems innocent, but that's because it's not a cheap shot directed to you, it's a cheap shot directed to me and only me. It was not meant to frustrate you, it was meant to frustrate me and meant so that anyone else who read it wouldn't know what he's talking about. And if I'm somehow mistaken... do feel free to explain how his comment has ANYTHING to do with this discussion. The fact that he had to bring my status as an admin into all this, and then insinuate I banned him, just adds to the insults.

I don't blame you though for seeing me as sniping him, it's the Good Samaritan paradox. But when debate after debate Parkbandit does nothing but bring in things that have nothing to do with the debate in an attempt to frustrate others into buying his point... believe me, it gets tiring. It's not like this is the first time he just adds out of the blue comments that have nothing to do with the debate here and there to try and frustrate me when he has nothing better to say.

It's simply cheap, you know... What can I say? If that makes me an admin who wants his ass kissed, then to each their own. I disagree with you... and heck... I think I may just have to temporarily ban you from viewing this thread for disagreeing with me. :mad:

So to anyone who may still feel I'm an ass-kissing-wanting admin who bans people who disagree with me... I hope I have clarified myself a bit. If I have not, then my apologies. Complaints about my status as an admin are welcome to Caels and they are all kept anonymous with no exception. With enough complaints, not only does Caels have the integrity to remove me... I'd also leave of my own accord.

[Edited on 7-18-2003 by Kranar]

[Xcalibur]

Poyye asks, "what happened to that Falgrin man?"
[Script]>
Lignin just went north.
[Script]>
Poyye asks, "who owns this park?"
[Script]>
Ocerikin just arrived.
[Script]>
Ocerikin kneels down.
[Script]>
Ocerikin slings a reinforced shield over his shoulder.
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "I think he was arrested for impersonating a constable"
[Script]>
Ocerikin put a rapier in his heavy backpack.
[Script]>
The flower girl goes west.
[Script]>
Poyye exclaims, "no way!"
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "just kiddin'"
[Script]>
You hear someone giggling.
[Script]>
Poyye says, "that's too bad. He was really really cute"
[Script]>
Poyye sighs.
[Script]>
Schuldig just went north.
[Script]>
Phuree removes a sturdy dark leather gem pouch from his belt.
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "I haven't seen him in a while"
Poyye says, "kissed nice too"
Cyyth confidently says, "I'll have to take your word on that"

[Parkbandit]

The problem Kranar.. is YOU are the one that instigated this friction between us... not me. YOU were the one that came to this thread on his all high and mighty admin horse and started talking smack. You are the one that after finding out the facts of the debate here had to use immaturity to pad his limited position.

You'll understand pretty quick I have no problem with friction. I take this board like I take the game.. with a grain of salt.

And as far as that comment went about life on other planets.. my god Kranar.. that was nothing more than a joke. I didn't realize you were still overly sensitive about that or I wouldn't have typed it out.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Poyye asks, "what happened to that Falgrin man?"
[Script]>
Lignin just went north.
[Script]>
Poyye asks, "who owns this park?"
[Script]>
Ocerikin just arrived.
[Script]>
Ocerikin kneels down.
[Script]>
Ocerikin slings a reinforced shield over his shoulder.
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "I think he was arrested for impersonating a constable"
[Script]>
Ocerikin put a rapier in his heavy backpack.
[Script]>
The flower girl goes west.
[Script]>
Poyye exclaims, "no way!"
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "just kiddin'"
[Script]>
You hear someone giggling.
[Script]>
Poyye says, "that's too bad. He was really really cute"
[Script]>
Poyye sighs.
[Script]>
Schuldig just went north.
[Script]>
Phuree removes a sturdy dark leather gem pouch from his belt.
[Script]>
Cyyth confidently says, "I haven't seen him in a while"
Poyye says, "kissed nice too"
Cyyth confidently says, "I'll have to take your word on that"

Yea.. not sure who that girl is... obviously someone who has another character and has interacted with Falgrin before. I just met her last night.

And the kiss was after Falgrin ate an insect from his beard.. he wanted to give her a taste.

[Xcalibur]

you got power, you got chicks, you got money, you even got a park

you rocks!

go permanently-kill warclaidhm now


p.s. no more off topic of me

[Warriorbird]

Hmm. Honestly, I'd say that's probably a portion of why Bestatte posts some of the things she does.

I'd also say its fueled by a sense of puzzlement. She obviously enjoys the "elite" "rp-enforced" games, and is puzzled by the fact that everyone does not immediately flock to them.

I'd also say on the more negative end, its for a feeling of superiority. I do this now, so I'm better than those GS players.

Why do I enjoy GS? I've played a ton of the free games myself. I like the stability of Simutronics. I like the player base of Simutronics. I like the attention to detail and depth of Simutronics. Sure, I've found games with much better RP....and I've found games with much better combat systems....and I've found games that lasted...just not to the same degree in combination I've found in GS. I also find a lot of the "RP enforced" games intolerably pretentious. In GS Prime and DR, I can pick who I want to associate with. In a lot of those type games, one suffers the same problem as Platinum...there just isn't enough of a player base to really get away from the folks you don't want to associate with.

A few explanations there, at least, to get us sort of back on topic.