CMANs and pure mobs

[Pelor]

How effective are CMANs on pure mobs and those that cast those nasty warding spells? Work 100% of the time? or maybe 90? 75?

[SolitareConfinement]

depends on your level with creature, your cman training, your cman training in that peticular skill... like level 2x'd and mastered at the skill? you'll get em on all positive rolls.

over all in reality if you're 2x'd you should be able to cman pures higher level than you too (roughly 5-10 depending on creature)

[Danical]

I can almost always get fire mages with feint and they are over my head by 4-5 levels.

I'm thinking about trying headbutt on pure mobs but I don't have the slightest clue about the details of the CMAN. I imagine it has height restrictions which blows because that means trolls and giants are out.

I would try sweep or bullrush but there is a pretty sizable penalty against bigger creatures.

Suggestions?

[Gnomad]

I'd always start with feint vs caster mobs; it drops their stance and has a very low RT even if you do fumble on the roll.

After that, I've heard good things about headbutt. 2 hits = head medium = no casting for BCS creatures, but it really doesn't fit my warrior's RP to go around headbutting things so I haven't played with it much.

edit: hamstring is not affected much by size if you train in OHE or Brawling and is pretty nice. My THW/Brawl warrior uses it with a gornar hook-knife. Feras weapons are nice for that too.

[BigWorm]

Just starting using feint again as a rogue and it's really useful. I don't really need the stance down since I am ambushing, but putting them in RT so they can't cast is nice.

[Danical]

A warrior mastered in tricks, with 5 ranks of bonding and wspec is pretty rad when it comes to feint.

My problem is that I still can't hit the shit I feint into offensive. :( :( :(

[DontDieSteve]

A warrior mastered in tricks, with 5 ranks of bonding and wspec is pretty rad when it comes to feint.

My problem is that I still can't hit the shit I feint into offensive. :( :( :(

Charge... does incredible things to pure casters.. w/o the feint too.

[Danical]

I know, I know. I don't like the 7 RT on charge though.

annnnnd I'm THW spec'd with my warrior :(

There aren't good weapon-based non-AS/DS CMANs for THW. I think I might give MBLOW a try but again, I simply need more AS.

[Mtenda]

Get some e-wave imbeds.

[Danical]

I'm trying to go no Mageek.

But yeah, that would be the obvious choice.

[Mathari]

A warrior mastered in tricks, with 5 ranks of bonding and wspec is pretty rad when it comes to feint.

My problem is that I still can't hit the shit I feint into offensive. :( :( :(
I've always wanted to do the "no magic" thing, too, and have worried about these AS issues. I saw that you're THW, but why? For claids? Or an RP choice? Or something else?

Reason I ask is that I'd pick polearms because of the AS concerns. You can still feint with polearms, you get a sweet knockdown/stun(/sometimes kill) maneuver in cman charge, and you get the benefit of using 4x naginatas which, with their +20 AvD, are the equivalent of 8x weapons at the end roll. Add all of that up with some bonding/wspec/surge and you're probably not too bad off. You can also use some polearms with shields (without having to train another weapon style), if your DS also becomes a concern because of no magic. Finally, if you can get the AGI/DEX for swinging a lance in 5 seconds, then a claidhmore might not be all that much more awesome anyway.

[Mtenda]

I've always wanted to do the "no magic" thing, too, and have worried about these AS issues. I saw that you're THW, but why? For claids? Or an RP choice? Or something else?

Reason I ask is that I'd pick polearms because of the AS concerns. You can still feint with polearms, you get a sweet knockdown/stun(/sometimes kill) maneuver in cman charge, and you get the benefit of using 4x naginatas which, with their +20 AvD, are the equivalent of 8x weapons at the end roll. Add all of that up with some bonding/wspec/surge and you're probably not too bad off. You can also use some polearms with shields (without having to train another weapon style), if your DS also becomes a concern because of no magic. Finally, if you can get the AGI/DEX for swinging a lance in 5 seconds, then a claidhmore might not be all that much more awesome anyway.

I doubt many warriors are having AS issues. Outside spells or not. Now if you are going the no society route then maybe, but otherwise I would take the 40 points of crit weighting and a better weapon base when compared to a naginata.

[Stanley Burrell]

They are ridiculously effective; so effective, in fact, that when I use my CMANs all the cool and famous people say,

"MAN, THAT IS FUCKING GREAT HOW YOU USE THOSE CMANS, MAN."

Then I am banned for not putting the quotation marks within the size tag and we all have gay Monk secks while discussing how much we hate politicians.

[Mathari]

I doubt many warriors are having AS issues.
Maybe not, but I took it that the person to whom I was responding was having them, because:


again, I simply need more AS.

My problem is that I still can't hit the shit I feint into offensive.

[Stunseed]

Truehand and Spinattack are two that will add AS.

[Mtenda]

Maybe not, but I took it that the person to whom I was responding was having them, because:

my bad

[Danical]

I have AS issues because I'm a HUGE rank 4 in GoS. I'll have 36 more AS coming my way soon (bonding 3-5; Sigils).

Also, I've decided I won't get a magic metal claid and stick with a plain 0x old-style claid off the shelf for 4k.

Poles definitely have better CMANs and I don't dispute that but I wouldn't do poles unless I secured +Dex/Agi items for a lance which I don't really want to have to get.

I'm trying to get where I am now (68) to cap with absolutely no items over 100k in value and no outside spells. Also, to show that you can't just willy nilly zerk in a grimswarm camp and be totally fine unless, of course, you have 300m+ in items with a wizard/cleric spellup (e.g., Durfin, Khariz). Not that I have anything against phat lewtz or those that use them but I just wanted a challenge.

[Mathari]

my bad
No prob.

[Lysander]

I have AS issues because I'm a HUGE rank 4 in GoS. I'll have 36 more AS coming my way soon (bonding 3-5; Sigils).

Also, I've decided I won't get a magic metal claid and stick with a plain 0x old-style claid off the shelf for 4k.

Poles definitely have better CMANs and I don't dispute that but I wouldn't do poles unless I secured +Dex/Agi items for a lance which I don't really want to have to get.

I'm trying to get where I am now (68) to cap with absolutely no items over 100k in value and no outside spells. Also, to show that you can't just willy nilly zerk in a grimswarm camp and be totally fine unless, of course, you have 300m+ in items with a wizard/cleric spellup (e.g., Durfin, Khariz). Not that I have anything against phat lewtz or those that use them but I just wanted a challenge.

I've zerked with just 4x stuff (oh excuse me a 4x hcp plate...which is what like 10 mil with the market the way it is today?) w/MAX spells on (every spell that isn't selfcast) with pocket wizard/cleric/ranger. It's conceivable to do this, but yeah... a wizard or sorc or bard with lores is like x10000 better. I just can't seem to understand why GMs can't see this, they must be taking crazy pills because everyone else sees it.

Anyhow, if you play a warrior you're playing Gemstone on "Ultra Hard" mode... especially if you play with no magic.

[Baelog]

I've never had too much of a problem with hitting stuff I've feinted into Stance O except the retarded Grimswarm Spirit casters that pop in with WoF, Lesser Shroud, etc.

I've also never really needed much besides Feint...maybe Tackle (finally mastered) if they're giving me that much of a problem, or I can't reach there head, and I'm a THW user...granted, I currently have a 6x Perfect Mattock, but I used to just use a 4x Superior,and even now, a Superior Maul beats out a Perfect Mattock in most of the numbers.

Hit me up on AIM if your still having problems, I might be able to help

[Gnomad]

a Superior Maul beats out a Perfect Mattock in most of the numbers.

No, it doesn't. You sure you know your numbers?

With the same enchant, a superior maul only beats a perfect mattock on plate, and only on endrolls of 115 or more. Any other example, the mattock wins.

[Danical]

A perfect mattock would beat a maul on chain at 256+ outcome but would be inferior 101-255.

The Pmattock would beat the Smaul in skin, soft, rigid hands down.

[Gnomad]

A perfect mattock would beat a maul on chain at 256+ outcome but would be inferior 101-255.I thought Maul and Mattock only had different DF on light leather and plate?

edit: never realized they had different AvDs. I could have sworn I checked that. Huh. Disregard that last post.

[Baelog]

Hmm, I must have wrong numbers then. Thanks for the correction

[Fallen]

Has anyone seen any perfect lances or mauls as of yet?

[Baelog]

Maybe they ran out of there forging glyph before they could whip up such an item?

[Fallen]

I'm sure people bought them by the million's of silver worth. That is an investment.

[TheLastShamurai]

Has anyone seen any perfect lances or mauls as of yet?

there are a couple for sale on playershops.

and i still have all my glyphs left, just haven't really felt like making any.