Janets Boob....not a pasty..check it out

[DianaBanana]

My friend gave me the link. I'm told its called a solar medallion. Extreme close up, view at your own risk (ya perverts). :spin:

Sorry..had to pull the link...technically it's pornographic..and yanno TOS and all.

[Edited on 2-2-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[crazymage]

Boobs rock.

[DianaBanana]

Well anyway, it really was her boob and she's got some weird piece of jewelry around it, not a pastie thing.

[DaMaGe]

That jewelry's pretty hot. Any PC chicks got anything like that?


-Adam

[Wezas]

Originally posted by DaMaGe
That jewelry's pretty hot. Any PC chicks got anything like that?


Tayre.

Oh, chicks......

Tayre.

[DaMaGe]

Well, I've got a ring through one nipple, and a spike through the other.


-Adam

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by DaMaGe
Well, I've got a ring through one nipple, and a spike through the other.


-Adam

Ew Ew ouch! :o

[DaMaGe]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
Ew Ew ouch! :o

If a guy ever tells you that it doesn't hurt, HE'S LYING.


-Adam

[DianaBanana]

This could be a whole new topic but i was just thinking...why is it ok to post a male's nipple but not a females? Our society is really kinda dumb. :thumbsdown: Of course, I'd rather be looking at naked males...but that isnt the point....

[Makkah]

Not that we wanted to see some dude's nipple on here either.

I've got a nipple ring too, but I'm not gonna be a douchebag and post a pic of it.

rht

[Edited on 2-2-2004 by Makkah]

[Weedmage Princess]

Eh..I agree it is a double standard..but I know one would be considered pornographic (a female's) while Damage's wouldn't. ::shrug::

[DaMaGe]

Originally posted by Makkah
Not that we wanted to see some dude's nipple on here either.

I've got a nipple right too, but I'm not gonna be a douchebag and post a pic of it.

rht

Grow the fuck up. It's a nipple.


-Adam

[DianaBanana]

So was the Janet picture...but that got removed. Anyway...I'll get over it. I just think its a crappy double standard. :moon:

[Weedmage Princess]

Whatever.

[Edited on 2-2-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Brat8525]

I found the display very tacky. That was not the place to do something like that, IMHO it was disrespectful.

I also found Kid Rockcutting a hole in our flag and wearing it kind of low as well, god bless the one behind him who grabbed it before it hit the ground.

[DianaBanana]

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying our society as a whole is backwards on that particular issue. Anyway...my parents thought Kid Rocks outfit was disrespectful as well.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying our society as a whole is backwards on that particular issue. Anyway...my parents thought Kid Rocks outfit was disrespectful as well.

Thanks cause I was starting to take it that way :P

[peam]

Kid Rock, and all the other halftime performers, were awful this year.

The boob was the only redeeming factor.

[DaMaGe]

My tit > Janet's tit.


-Adam

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by peam
Kid Rock, and all the other halftime performers, were awful this year.
You can't help but go downhill after U2.

[DianaBanana]

U2 is my favorite. They need to tour the US right now. NOW!:yes:

[Shari]

Some of us were discussing this in a chat last night and were looking at different pages with the picture posted. I guess they're trying to take back the fact it was SUPPOSED to happen and say it was an accident. Justin Timberlake had a quote saying it was a...what was it? Right...a wardrobe technically and it is regrettible that it happened.

Give me FUCKING break.

I'm not offended that I saw a boob. Cause, well..I have them, and its just a BOOB. But I swear to god its like every fucking music concert has to outdo the last one by doing something sexual or scandalous.

[Drew2]

Did anyone else realize that it's Britney Spear's bitter Ex who pulled off a stunt that took all the attention off "the kiss"?

[DianaBanana]

Will Mtv ever start focusing on the music? :no:

[Shari]

Remember back in the day when you could turn on Mtv and just watch music videos ALL DAY LONG?

<sighs>

[StrayRogue]

Me too :(
And if I don't see that fucking Tenacious D video again I might just have to hurt someone.

[Edaarin]

Diana

Kids post here. Please think of Chadj and Bobmuhthol before you do such things again, lord knows how you must have warped them...

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
Will Mtv ever start focusing on the music? :no:

No, they had to make MTV2 for that.

And no its not a regular cable channel. Give me a fucking break.

[Ylena]

Forget the boobage. Big deal, it was for two seconds at most - more of a "did they just do what I think they just did?" rather than a two minute closeup on her nipple jewelry.

I was a hell of a lot more offended by all the tacky "tributes" to the Columbia and her crew. It absolutely cheapened the solemnity of the loss. If the NFL and CBS really wanted to honor the memory of what was lost, a moment of silence before the game would have been infinitely more appropriate - and much more moving than the crap that they chose.

Beyonce Knowles - not known to be the world's best dresser - was about the only person yesterday that I came away with more respect for. Great outfit, dignified and beautiful presentation, and the best rendition of the Star Spangled Banner since Whitney Houston. Her demeanor and talent had a lot more lasting impact than an "accidental" "wardrobe malfunction" from a washed-up child molester's sister and her talent-impaired wannabe boy toy.

[DaMaGe]

Don't hold back Ylena, tell us how you really feel.

ROWR.


-Adam

[peam]

Justin Timberlake is crazy talented. The last album was proof. I am completely serious.

Halftime still blew. Puff Daddy? That guy's awful.

They should've went with Andre "Ice Cold" 3000.

[DaMaGe]

Originally posted by peam
They should've went with Andre "Ice Cold" 3000.

That cat gets weirder and weirder every time they come out with a new album. I watched his newest video last night, and I think it's cool that he's making the type of music he wants to and not just going with what's hot now. Originality gets beaucoup points.


-Adam

[Parkbandit]

...boobies are good... :drool:

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Diana

Kids post here. Please think of Chadj and Bobmuhthol before you do such things again, lord knows how you must have warped them...

My apologizes. ;)

[Weedmage Princess]

...wait a minute...I thought Peam..uhm..I mean Justin Timberlake was with Cameron Diaz?

And hey, atleast Kid Rock really sang.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Ylena
Forget the boobage. Big deal, it was for two seconds at most - more of a "did they just do what I think they just did?" rather than a two minute closeup on her nipple jewelry.

I was a hell of a lot more offended by all the tacky "tributes" to the Columbia and her crew. It absolutely cheapened the solemnity of the loss. If the NFL and CBS really wanted to honor the memory of what was lost, a moment of silence before the game would have been infinitely more appropriate - and much more moving than the crap that they chose.

Beyonce Knowles - not known to be the world's best dresser - was about the only person yesterday that I came away with more respect for. Great outfit, dignified and beautiful presentation, and the best rendition of the Star Spangled Banner since Whitney Houston. Her demeanor and talent had a lot more lasting impact than an "accidental" "wardrobe malfunction" from a washed-up child molester's sister and her talent-impaired wannabe boy toy.

I agree with everything except calling that the best version of the Star Spangled Banner.

The best can be found here:

http://206.180.232.42/clips/ram/starspangled.ram

It's a real audio file so if you can't play it I'm sorry but damn it's the best and you should get Real just to hear it.

[Skirmisher]

It was on screen for what? One second?

And yeah, it just brought to my mind last night the same thing that Diana and Stray were saying about the US just being a bit off in societal norms.

We are ok with all kinds of killing and fighting in movies and on TV but saints preserve us if someone mentions sex. It really IS just sex. Its NOT that big a deal.

PS: Heavens above save me because I know judgement day is near when I agree with Stay.

[HarmNone]

Why can I not seem to summon even a spark of interest in Janet's boob? :?:

HarmNone can think of so many more fascinating things

[Trinitis]

Two things.

#1. Yes, Kid Rock Sang...kinda.. He only did every 2 or 3 words.

#2. If your going to bring musical acts to a 30 min halftime..bring ONE! It annoys me to no fuckin end to hear 15 seconds of a song, then change. UGH.

[Skirmisher]

Yeah in general the whole of the half time entertainment just sucked.

[Meos]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Me too :(
And if I don't see that fucking Tenacious D video again I might just have to hurt someone.

dude, do you have the complete works DVD? if not get it!

[Drew2]

Anticor, definatly a badass version of the Anthem. :thumbsup:

[DaMaGe]

Originally posted by Tayre
Anticor, definatly a badass version of the Anthem. :thumbsup:

WRONG.

So I hear MTV will never be putting together another Super Bowl half-time show again. Heads are gonna roll for sure.


-Adam

[Ravenstorm]

Well, she just admitted the whole thing was planned and staged in advance. All I have to say is:

OMFG. i am so surprized!!!1111 LOLOLZ

Or maybe not. I hope they fine them both heavily just for being idiots. I don't care about the nipple. I mean, hell. It's time for America to grow up. A female breast is a lot more decent than watching someone's head explode.

Raven

[Pallon]

If they really wanted to impress me then Justin would have bent her over right there on the stage

[Tendarian]

Well, she just admitted the whole thing was planned and staged in advance. All I have to say is:

Link for this please? If it shows the boob shot too you can just u2u it.

Personally it didnt offend me but i wasnt watching the super bowl with younger kids. If it was planned i hope the fcc fines the shit out of everyone involved.

[Weedmage Princess]

I guess I'm in the minority. I wouldn't want a six or seven year old to watch some guy tear off a chick's shirt, slap her ass or anything of the like.

If this wasn't the Superbowl, where it's known that people of ALL ages would be watching..then yeah. Or even if they made it known there'd be questionable content.

People need to grow up but let kids be friggin kids.

[TheEschaton]

I also found Kid Rockcutting a hole in our flag and wearing it kind of low as well, god bless the one behind him who grabbed it before it hit the ground.

The same God whose blessings you* bestow on everyone and everything (well, just the things you approve of) has, as this God's very FIRST commandment, "I am the Lord Your God, you shall have no Gods but Me." As in....

...........stop worshipping a fucking flag! It doesn't matter 2 shits if it burns, or drops on the ground, or gets fucking defecated on!

While we're on the topic..."God Bless America"? Who could be so arrogant to demand that God bless America? Believe me, the "May God Bless America", which is a request, has fallen out of favor for the demanding, petulent whining of the spoiled child who thinks its in the right, by demanding that God bless America.

There was a highway sign, big banner style, that said "God Bless America". I came back later that night, with spraypaint, and sprayed, "And Everyone else too, you arrogant asshole."

*You refers to the general you, not the specific you who posted.
</rant>
Sorry, things like the Super Bowl and the amazing jingoistic crap that goes on just pisses me off. The best thing I ever saw at a Super Bowl was when Ray Charles sang his version of "America the Beautiful." I forgot which year that was....3 years ago, maybe? Who knows.

At least it was a good game. My roommate from college called to tell me how good the Patriots were, and that he won a $500 on the coin toss (always bet tails!).

-TheEschaton-, back after a football induced coma this past weekend.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by SkirmisherWe are ok with all kinds of killing and fighting in movies and on TV but saints preserve us if someone mentions sex. It really IS just sex. Its NOT that big a deal.
Yeah, right.

Why are we here? We play Gemstone. How many people can you kill in public there? Oh, everyone. How many critters have you murdered in an average hunt? Oh, twenty, thirty, fifty?

How much head can you get on the Dais before you're sitting in a consultation lounge?

[Brat8525]

I care if the flag hits the ground, if someone shits on it, or if they cut a hole in it. I am also not the only one who does care.

The fact that Janets Titty was exposed was not the issue, the issue was where it was done. No shit there's violence on tv blah blah blah...this wasn't a movie, this was the Superbowl that people of all ages watch. It's a little thing called respect???????? oh wait, this is the me me me me fuck you generation right?

Silly me, I must have lost my head. Hey I can enjoy watching a flah of skin as much as anyone, but please there is a place and a time for everything.

To the poster who said if they wanted to impress him, he should have bent her over right there, you have about as much class and morals as a bitch in heat.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Tendarian

Well, she just admitted the whole thing was planned and staged in advance. All I have to say is:

Link for this please? If it shows the boob shot too you can just u2u it.



"The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime show performance was made after final rehearsals. MTV was completely unaware of it," Jackson said. "It was not my intention that it go as far as it did. I apologize to anyone offended — including the audience, MTV, CBS and the NFL."


Jackson's official Web site was bombarded with angry postings. Her spokeswoman, Jennifer Holiner, said a red lace garment was supposed to remain when Timberlake tore off the outer covering.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040203/ap_on_en_tv/fbn_super_bowl_jackson_39

And also.....

Didn't Tivo get in trouble last time they put out stats like this, because people didn't know they were being tracked?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040203/tv_nm/television_tivo_dc_3

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Brat8525
The fact that Janets Titty was exposed was not the issue, the issue was where it was done. No shit there's violence on tv blah blah blah...this wasn't a movie, this was the Superbowl that people of all ages watch.

*DING!

I really don't care if people want to do risque things like that, I just think it should be done in the proper venue. There's a time and place for everything, you know? A concert where it's known that things of that sort might be going on? Fine, if that's what the performer wants to do..great. The Superbowl, which everyone watches? No, that's not cool. Hey, let's play Scarface on Nickelodeon. Or may Debbie Does Dallas on the Disney Channel :thumbsup:

What ever happened to compromise? All the masses can be appeased without one shoving something down the other's throat. Everyone just wants their own way.

[CrystalTears]

I need my own planet, cause this didn't phase me at all. I'm bummed that I missed it and that I didn't get the full frontal boobage since it had a thing on it bigger than the oveola. After years of watching Madonna dry hump the floor whenever she would sing, seeing a boob just doesn't do it for me.

Now if Justin decided to rock himself, then I would have stood up and taken notice.

[Brat8525]

"Now if Justin decided to rock himself, then I would have stood up and taken notice."

My god that little boy does nothing for me, but then again....never mind.

I didn't like having to explain to my 4 year old why Janets titty was hanging out, tho her saying Justin needed a spanking for ripping her shirt did make me laugh.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
...........stop worshipping a fucking flag! It doesn't matter 2 shits if it burns, or drops on the ground, or gets fucking defecated on!Actually, it's illegal to do any of those things. It's in the Flag Code. usflag.org is a good place. So it kinda matters, in that you can (and should) be arrested for doing those things.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by TheEschaton
...........stop worshipping a fucking flag! It doesn't matter 2 shits if it burns, or drops on the ground, or gets fucking defecated on!Actually, it's illegal to do any of those things. It's in the Flag Code. usflag.org is a good place. So it kinda matters, in that you can (and should) be arrested for doing those things.

God I admire and like you so much right now Latrinsorm

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by LatrinsormActually, it's illegal to do any of those things. It's in the Flag Code. usflag.org is a good place. So it kinda matters, in that you can (and should) be arrested for doing those things.
Yeah, and it's illegal to have oral sex in about half the states. Whoopie-de-doobie-fucking-do.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Yeah, and it's illegal to have oral sex in about half the states. Whoopie-de-doobie-fucking-do.

Really?

[peam]

In that case...

I'm wanted.

Waaaaaaaaanteeeeeed.

Dead or Alive!

[TheEschaton]

I care if the flag hits the ground, if someone shits on it, or if they cut a hole in it. I am also not the only one who does care.

That's fine. But then don't say God Bless America, since that God wants you to not care about the fucking flag.

I think the whole point of the thread, Brat, is that violence should not be more acceptable than sex.

From sex comes life, from violence comes death. Figure it out. Kids seeing violence is much more harmful than kids seeing sex, imho.

Sex is natural - the whole animal kingdom does it. Violence is unnatural - human beings are the only ones who commit it for no logical reason.

-TheE-

[Brat8525]

"Yeah, and it's illegal to have oral sex in about half the states. Whoopie-de-doobie-fucking-do."

Where are the Class Police????????? really some of you are making me seriously doubt the intelligence of our species. I serve in the Navy, I vowed to put my life on the line to protect this country and it's people, by god, some of you are making me wonder why I would scarafice my life for some snotty idiots who need to be bitch slapped into next week.

[TheEschaton]

As for burning the flag being illegal, last I knew, doing anything to the flag was considered free expression. If this has changed, it's changed under G.W., which wouldn't surprise me in the least bit.


-TheE-

Hell, the anti-globalization rally I went to in 10/02 had burning flags everywhere

[TheEschaton]

Ahhh, a military punk. No wonder.

You have to question any organization that encourages its subordinates to never, ever question authority.

Oh wait, we're not allowed to question. It's against our fucking orders.

-TheE-

[peam]

Cut the flag crap. If you want to argue about that, start another thread.

Any other posts not dealing with boobs will be yanked.

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by peam]

[Weedmage Princess]

Eh..I happen to think little kids seeing violence is just as bad as them being exposed to sex too early. I'm just as much against a six year old little kid watching the Godfather as I am against them seeing the Justin/Janet stint. :::shrugs::

[TheEschaton]

I mean, it's a game where grown men literally pound the hell out of each other. It is, after hockey, the most violent professional sport of the big 4. If you're willing to let your kids see the hits put on these guys for no other reason other than to try and let their team get the ball back so their guys can be pounded on....

what's a little breast? Hell, it was covered by a "sun medallion" or whatever, which, last I checked, is not illegal nudity (vis-a-vis Lil' Kim at the MTV Music Video awards, that one year). Which is why the FCC shouldn't be bothering investigating it.

Little kids (7 and under) are too innocent to be traumatized by Janet's incident. Per your own account, your daughter merely said Justin should be slapped for ripping her clothes....

Kids over 7 already know. Believe me, they do. I've worked with kids before.

Janet Jackson had a cover on Rolling Stone where her nipples were covered by her boyfriend's hands, and that's it! What's the difference?

Do you think kids don't read Rolling Stone? Or watch MTV?

-TheE-

[Betheny]

I had more of a problem with Justin Timberlake slapping her ass and dry humping than with seeing a boob.

Anatomy is natural, behavior is learned.

If I had kids, they'd be banned from watching TV. Seriously. Kids are sexually stimulated by television and movies from an age that's just sick. No wonder my taxes pay for however many billion people with illegitimate children they had pre-18.

[Weedmage Princess]

With all due respect, Eschaton, what I decide I want my children to watch and not watch is my decision to make--not yours, not anyone else's. I don't have a problem with my son watching football. I feel there's a big difference between the game of football and say, the Godfather or Janet Jackson's boob. In general, I don't think it's a big deal, but when it comes to little kids, I'm of the mindset "every little bit helps." Hey, lots of people swear in front of kids as well. Some of them swear AT the kids. Does that make it right? Does that mean because it happens and is a part of life, I should have that on the television for my son to see in my home? I think not.

[TheEschaton]

And it's your right to control what your kids see.

But if anything, your kid is more likely to be upset by the Janet Jackson thing IF (s)he was sheltered from that sort of thing prior.

What I'm saying is this: Shit happens. Better to be prepared for when it hits the fan, than to be completely off guard.

I wasn't all distraught over 9/11. Where I'm from, 2,000 people dying all at once wasn't all that catastrophic, and from a young age my parents taught me about death and what it means.

In a way, I view America much as a sheltered child. It does not want to imagine that things outside of its own personal bubble exists/matters - and when one of those things penetrates the bubble - it's some wierd shocking news, when the rest of us outside the bubble knew it the whole time.

Lost a relative in 9/11? I lost 34 in the earthquake in Gujarat, India. That one killed 30,000, but you never heard about it on the news after the first day.

The day the Colombia shuttle blew up is a good example. It was an event which boggles my mind as to how idiotically this country handled it.....it was A) 7 people, and B) they were going into space. It wasn't like their car blew up going to the corner store....they were going into the most hostile environment known to man, one which man cannot survive without machinery.

Meanwhile 37 people died in Nigeria in a train crash caused by what? Completely preventable track maintanence which wasn't upheld because the railroad company decided to make as much profit as possible. That's the tragedy.

You may think me crass and cynical, I just see things for what they are. My father was supposed to be in the WTC the morning it was attacked - he went there every Mon/Tues for meetings, but didn't go that week because he had a management offsite meeting, a once-a-year retreat which saved his life. That being said, we've talked about it since then - and nothing would of changed for me had he died that day. I would of still protested the war, I still would march against the evils of capitalism, I would of still been a devout Catholic, I would of still done what I did every day.

I'm thinking of writing a book, on modern Satanism, and how it could only arise in America. It would be interesting, since, after all, modern (LaVey'ien) Satanism extols the virtues of capitalism and individualism more than all else - things our culture is supposedly based on.

-TheE-

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't think you're crass or cynical, nor would I throw a label like that on you. I think my issue is that people seem to think because it happens, it shouldn't be a problem if we expose it as much as possible. Yes, sex happens. It's not a bad thing, it's not ugly, it's good. However it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't think it's something that should be all over the television the minute I turn it on (unless I'm going to the channel for it, or it's that time of night..rawr..hehe) ..I think there's such a thing as "overexposure." And I agree with Maimara saying it is in part (along with plain old bad parenting..let's not just blame society here) responsible for a lot of us shelling out hundreds and hundreds of dollars a week to give to some 18 year old who has two or three kids already. Or to pay for a trial to prosecute a young boy charged with raping a little girl. On and on.

Again, there's a time and place for everything. I'm not saying these things should be done away with..I just think if everyone thought a little more about the big picture, maybe it would help some. You know the saying..be part of the solution, not the problem.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Brat8525
Where are the Class Police????????? really some of you are making me seriously doubt the intelligence of our species. I serve in the Navy, I vowed to put my life on the line to protect this country and it's people, by god, some of you are making me wonder why I would scarafice my life for some snotty idiots who need to be bitch slapped into next week.
I served in the Crotch before you had hair on your nuts (besides which ain't a fuggin squid born that could lay down a finger more than once), so I'm not impressed by your scarafice.

[Galleazzo]

<<Meanwhile 37 people died in Nigeria in a train crash caused by what? Completely preventable track maintanence which wasn't upheld because the railroad company decided to make as much profit as possible. That's the tragedy. >>

Wasn't it Stalin who said that ten dead people was a tragedy, but a thousand dead people was a statistic?

[Betheny]

You can't show a guy porno and not expect him to pop wood. Just like you can't show a kid sexually charged material and not expect him or her to be curious about it. And someone out there is going to be hippie enough to buy into the free love bullshit and explain it. And when a five year old is exposed to something like Britney Spears videos and dirty dancing and Viagra commercials for so much as 2 hours a day? What is that grinding into his or her skull? That it's okay to be like that, there are no consequences.

Doesn't make sense to me, why you'd be okay with teaching the general child population that it's okay to fuck whoever youw ant, whenever you want, whyever you want. And if you get AIDS or pregnant? It's no biggie. Because the rest of the population will bail you out.

[TheEschaton]

some 18 year old who has two or three kids already. Or to pay for a trial to prosecute a young boy charged with raping a little girl. On and on.

This is like saying Manson was responsible for Columbine, or that Ozzy's "Suicide Solution" was responsible for that fan killing himself. We all see these things, why aren't all of us raping kids and/or having them before we're 18?

Personal responsibility. Teach it, and it won't matter what your kids witness. In fact, if your kids are well taught - then something like that can be edifying, and good for them.

Maybe I'm just making this argument cause I want to see more of Janet Jackson's breasts...;-) In the end though, I believe in complete non-censorship. If the decency people have their way on this one....soon, expression will be curtailed, and that's when we, as a democracy, will fail.

-TheE-

[Betheny]

There's something wrong with our society.

To say that taking action on this will have no effect is rediculous.

You gotta start reform somewhere.

[Weedmage Princess]

I disagree, Eschaton. As I said previously, I'm not saying that Manson is responsible for Columbine, or anything of the like. What I'm saying is there's no reason to glorify it. It doesn't help the situation to have mommy and daddy tell the childn "A is good, but B and C really isn't good." then they turn on the TV, turn on the radio and pretty much everything they see is contradictory to what the parents are teaching them. Imagine having a talk with your son about sex, how it's beautiful thing, how you should treat a lady, etc. etc...then they turn on the TV to see Justin Timberlake slapping Janet Jackson's ass and ripping off her top or turn on the radio to hear Jay-Z say "6am I'm digging her out, 6:15 I'm kicking her out" ? One step forward, two steps back??

Your statement about teaching personal responsibility and it won't matter what your kids are exposed to...that's simply not true. I am willing to say all of us know atleast one person who's had a good life, came from a loving family where their parents raised them right and yet somehow they got into things they shouldn't have. Again, it's the big picture. Young children are very easily influenced by what they see all around them. I'm not saying everything should be banned or censored. All I'm saying is I just don't get what the big deal is with keeping certain things in it's proper venue, instead of giving it overexposure all over the place?

[Betheny]

Kids don't have the ability to weed through satire or representation in music or TV. What y ou see is what it is, to them. They don't see actors or musicians prancing around half-naked. They see people.

[CrystalTears]

And I personally don't see what the big deal is of explaining things as they come.

I was exposed to a lot as a child, and it was all explained to me, so at this tender age of mine today, nothing phases or surprises me. I'm not saying to plop your child down in front of a porn and explain the do's and don'ts, but if for some reason that happens on a live broadcast and the child wonders what happened, is it so bad to tell them that her boob came out of her outfit? What grande explanation does there need to be?

Maybe I shouldn't say much on this particular instance since I didn't see the show, but since no one cared until her boobed popped out, I'm wondering if anything would have been said about the performance if that didn't happen.

[Weedmage Princess]

From what I read, CT, apparently the suits had complaints with the whole stint...On CNN.com I read that they even complained about Kid Rock and Nelly as well.

And CT, yes that's the best approach..to sit your child down and talk to them about it...pending they're old enough. Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't think I should have to have that sort of conversation with a six year old when they say, "Why did he rip her shirt off? Why are they grinding like that? Why is he spanking her?" blah blah..you see what I'm getting at.

[Betheny]

Kid Rock's show was a lot more acceptable than any of the other ones I saw, except Beyonce. She was dressed appropriately, not to mention her outstanding performance. Yeah, there were dancers, but they were clothed and weren't dry humping each other.

[CrystalTears]

I dunno, I don't see a six year old using the term "grinding". Spanking, ripping, hurting her more like it, but not grinding. If they know what grinding is, they need more than a little talk about an exposed boobage.

Anyway, as a puny punk of a little girl, I asked similar questions and my grandfather answered them all because my mother was too chickenshit to. My grandfather rules!

[Weedmage Princess]

Grinding was the wrong word to use...

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Diana

Kids post here. Please think of Chadj and Bobmuhthol before you do such things again, lord knows how you must have warped them...


Yeah! I've never seen a boob before, you know! And i wasnt watching one of my favourite sport's big game, and not the halftime show, really, i swear! /end sarcasm

Besides, i dont post much anymore.

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Chadj]

[TheEschaton]

I am willing to say all of us know atleast one person who's had a good life, came from a loving family where their parents raised them right and yet somehow they got into things they shouldn't have.

I'd seriously disagree with the idea that the youth in this nation, no matter what upbringing, have a "good" home life, nowadays. I know tons of examples like you said. Two parent, rich kids who had everything, lived a "good" life, and became crack heads...why? Because they got everything. Outwardly, it looks good...in reality, I doubt it is. My theory is that you learn to deal, or you don't, and it doesn't matter the background.

Hell, I know tons of kids from the ghetto, one parent, siblings in gangs, jail, or dead, and they became successful people. It's called personal choice, some people have it, some people don't.

Learn it now, or learn it later.

-TheE-

[Weedmage Princess]

What I meant, Eschaton..was in the way of their upbringing. Not necessarily that they were rich, but had parents who were loving and nurturing...parents who made time for them, did their best to instill in them a sense of morals, values and ethics, etc. And they turned out to be quote unquote "bad seeds."

I understand what you're saying..and to a point, I agree. A person can either sink or swim depending on their choices they make. Example, my dad was the kid in the scenario I painted above. He had loving parents, a brother and sister whom he was close with....yet he got out there and basically became a dirtbag, and got into trouble cause of it. Then there are people like Daunte Culpepper...born in jail to a crack addict mother. Look at him now. But I feel positive reinforcements can't do any harm. Why is it that exposing a young, impressionable mind (mind you I mean like ages 4-8...around the 9-10 year old mark..yeah it's time to start talking to them about the world) to sex, violence and things of the like seem so appealing to people? Heaven forbid we let them atleast reach an age old enough where they are beginning to understand right and wrong, and are capable of some sort of responsible decision making.

Again, I'm not crusading we ban all nudity from television, all violence from television or anything like that. All I'm asking is hey...let's keep adult things in adult venues, and leave the family-type venues with family-type content only. What's so bad about that?

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[TheEschaton]

My argument is that the modern American family is so fucked up anyways, that if a boob falls out during "family TV", how the fuck is that any different from Thursday night at soandso's house?;-)

Obviously, I generalize, but if it's out there, it'll happen.

For example, my mother made the mistake of telling me when I was 5, that there was no Santa. before everyone else knew. Even though I ONLY told my best friend Rich, the whole Kindergarten knew by the end of the week that there was no Santa. And then the parent's complained to my mom.

Here's my problem: There IS NO FUCKING SANTA. Why the hell disillusion the kid longer than it has to be? If he doesn't find out til he 9, great...but if he finds out before then, what's the big deal?

Likewise, with boobs. I think I saw my first boob when I was 13. Eventually, I was gonna see one. Am I worse off that I saw it at 13 instead of 18? Am I better off because I saw it only at 13, instead of at 7? I don't think so. A boob is a boob. It happens. You live in the ghetto, chances are, one day, someone you know will be injured in a violent manner, perhaps even die. The quest should not be "How long can we prevent our kids from seeing this shit?" because eventually, they're gonna see it - the quest should be, "How can I make my kid understand this shit - work to change this shit - not become a bad person because of this shit".

Prevention is bullshit. It's like those people who argue for abstinence for teens - sorry Mr. President, your head's in your ass. Kids are gonna encounter sex. Our job as adults is to prepare kids to have healthy, loving, sexual relationships. My parents managed to do that, and both my parents worked, my father 6 days a week, as poor immigrants. Most of America has failed to do that, and yes, the image of what's popular (naked model in Abercrombie and Fitch, to naked hoes in Chingy's latest video) contributes, and the parents just throw their hands up when it happens and say "I can't deal with how fast kids are growing up nowadays!"

Seriously, are you gonna tell a kid: a) don't have sex, or b) if you're going to have sex, at least make it meaningful and safe.

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

The more you tell a child not to do something, the more they'll want to do it.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Seriously, are you gonna tell a kid: a) don't have sex, or b) if you're going to have sex, at least make it meaningful and safe.

-TheE-

I would tell them B....closer to age 10 though, not at age 6.

It's clear we disagree. We're just beating a dead horse now.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
And I personally don't see what the big deal is of explaining things as they come.

I was exposed to a lot as a child, and it was all explained to me, so at this tender age of mine today, nothing phases or surprises me. I'm not saying to plop your child down in front of a porn and explain the do's and don'ts, but if for some reason that happens on a live broadcast and the child wonders what happened, is it so bad to tell them that her boob came out of her outfit? What grande explanation does there need to be?


Yes.

I also had things explained to me at a very early age. Our family is in the medical field with a Dr and an RN so perhaps it was easier for them than for some others, but we never used cutsie baby words for body parts or bodily functions.

We had a fantastic book that I wish I knew where it was right now, but it had photographs of the entire process of birth and to me sex simply was not the grand mystery it was to so many of my peers.

Now dont go off the deep end and think i was out renting porno or some crap at six, but i surely did understand the basics of what went where and what the consequences of those actions were.

Educate your children, explain anything and everything you can about things they ask. If you do not know, find out.

Children are amazing resiliant creatures that WANT to learn. Not glass figurines.

They can handle a hell of alot more than we give them credit for.

[Bobmuhthol]

Congratulations, Skirmisher.

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[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
In the end though, I believe in complete non-censorship.
There IS NO FUCKING SANTAOMG KLAIVE INVASION!!

psst... Weedie... you don't have to type in "quote unquote" if you actually use quotes. :D

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Latrinsormpsst... Weedie... you don't have to type in "quote unquote" if you actually use quotes. :D

I know I'm anal :(

[Bobmuhthol]

Latrinstorm = GRAMMAR POLICE

Janet Jackson is ugly.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Latrinstorm = GRAMMAR POLICELook who's talking.
Janet Jackson is ugly. You're ugly. (Bob's really Justin Timberlake, right?)

[Zakre]

its has the cipple cover though so its not like u can se much other than the breast itself

[Nakiro]

Damn. That tit was out for .6444323442 of a second. If your kid asks "what was that?" you could probably say its a boob, or I don't know.

They'd believe either one and probably not care either way.

[crazymage]

my entire family wasnt even paying attention..Course i started yelling "Finally some boobs!"

[Kia]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
How much head can you get on the Dais before you're sitting in a consultation lounge?

This made me giggle in my cubicle. And then I thought, "People get/give head on the Dais?..."

I don't pay enough attention to my surroundings apparently :)

KIA.

[Kia]

Originally posted by crazymage
my entire family wasnt even paying attention..Course i started yelling "Finally some boobs!"

TIVO, baby. TIVO.

Everyone else at my place was playing poker. Since I'm a loser and I don't know how to play I was watching the half-time show. All of a sudden I shouted, "OMG her boob!"

Poker ceased and TIVO commenced.

KIA.