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Allereli
12-03-2008, 11:22 PM
O.J. Simpson could get 6 years, 18 years -- or life

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- Former football great O.J. Simpson, convicted of armed robbery and kidnapping, deserves leniency in sentencing as he is a first-time offender who showed no criminal intent, his attorney says in court papers.

Attorney Gabriel Grasso argued that Simpson should receive the minimum sentence, six years.

Grasso acknowledged in court papers, "Clearly Simpson was not using good judgment" during a 2007 hotel room confrontation over sports memorabilia.

Simpson could receive a maximum life sentence from Judge Jackie Glass on Friday. A pre-sentencing report recommended an 18-year sentence.

On October 3, a jury convicted Simpson, 61, and co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart of 12 charges, including conspiracy to commit a crime, robbery, assault and kidnapping with a deadly weapon. Watch Stewart talk about the night they were arrested »

Their convictions stem from a September 13, 2007, fracas at the Palace Station Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. Prosecutors alleged that Simpson led a group of men who used threats, guns and force to take sports memorabilia from dealers Bruce Fromong and Al Beardsley.

Simpson said he was attempting to recover items that belonged to him.

Four men charged with Simpson cut deals with the prosecution and testified against him. One testified that Simpson asked him to bring a gun to the encounter.

"These were not crimes committed on strangers, but were acts stemming from prior relationships with the individuals in the room at the Palace Station," Grasso wrote in the memorandum.

"There was overwhelming evidence at trial that Simpson's intent was to recover property that was his and only his," the lawyer argued. "The trial testimony showed Simpson's intent was to return anything that did not belong to him. This intention can be heard throughout the recordings of the Palace Station incident."

He added, "However, there is nothing in the record to show that Simpson evinced a criminal mind or showed the requisite criminal intent." Because of that and other factors, Grasso wrote, Simpson's sentence should fall on the low end of the minimum sentencing range.

In a sentencing brief for Stewart, 54, defense attorney E. Brent Byron said his client also should be sentenced to six years, noting he "did not kill anyone, nor did he bind or gag anyone." He had no weapon and "no witness testified that Mr. Stewart knew that weapons were going to be used," the brief said.

Both sentencing memorandums note that one of the victims, Beardsley, did not even want the case prosecuted.

Attorneys for both Simpson and Stewart have filed motions seeking a new trial.

Simpson's lawyers cite seven reasons why a new trial should be granted in their brief, including that he was denied a fair hearing when two African-Americans were dismissed from the potential jury pool. An all-white jury convicted the men.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/03/simpson.sentence/index.html

Predictions! vote in the poll for what you think he will get

Stanley Burrell
12-04-2008, 12:51 AM
I think he'll be out way sooner than his sentence mandates. If I were his lawyers, I'd keep hammering the point that his celebrity status caused unfair judgement. And drop paperwork, non-stop, on the desks of the district, the city, the state, the country and the universe. Until justice was served.

Drunken Durfin
12-04-2008, 02:12 PM
That poll needs a "none of the above" option.

Tisket
12-04-2008, 02:16 PM
That poll needs a "none of the above" option.

Or, you know, you could just like post that your opinion is not offered as an option in the poll and like just tell us what it is...

Cephalopod
12-04-2008, 03:34 PM
He got too much out of his celebrity status last time. I voted 'life' -- I think (and hope) it'll stick.

Tea & Strumpets
12-04-2008, 03:48 PM
He got too much out of his celebrity status last time. I voted 'life' -- I think (and hope) it'll stick.

That's my gut reaction, but on the other hand I don't think it would be fair for his sentencing to have anything to do with his last murder trial.

Cephalopod
12-04-2008, 04:04 PM
I'm just saying that any 'celebrity points' he had to use got used up in the last trial. His sentencing this time will be unbiased and won't have anything to do with his [former] celebrity status. (again, I hope)

nub
12-04-2008, 04:18 PM
That's my gut reaction, but on the other hand I don't think it would be fair for his sentencing to have anything to do with his last murder trial.

I would think it'd be fair.

Although, I guess that's why they never call me to go on jury duty.

SHAFT
12-04-2008, 06:15 PM
Whoever voted life is a dumbshit (CrystalTears, Mr. Dallas, Nachos DLC, nub). You don't get life for conspiracy to commit a crime, robbery, assault and kidnapping with a deadly weapon.

Sean of the Thread
12-04-2008, 06:21 PM
Agreed.

CrystalTears
12-04-2008, 08:25 PM
Yeah I voted what I wanted rather than what it would actually be. That fucker needs to die in jail with a dildo rammed up his ass.

Cephalopod
12-04-2008, 09:04 PM
He was convicted of two counts of first-degree kidnapping, which (in Nevada) carries the possibility of life in prison. Dumbass.

In total, he was convicted of:


Two counts of first-degree kidnapping, felony: life in state prison or a definite term of 15 years, depending on the sentencing judge's discretion. Parole eligibility begins after five years. Use of a deadly weapon during a kidnapping can add an additional 1-20 years, depending on the circumstances.

Two counts of robbery with use of a deadly weapon, felony: mandatory 2-15 years in prison, plus a possible additional 1-15 years for use of a weapon.

Burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon: felony, 2-15 years.

Two counts of coercion with use of a deadly weapon, felony: 2-12 years in prison.

Two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, felony: 1-6 years.

Conspiracy to commit kidnapping, felony: 1-6 years.

Conspiracy to commit robbery, felony: 1-6 years.

Conspiracy to commit a crime, gross misdemeanor: 1 year in county jail.

SHAFT
12-04-2008, 09:39 PM
He was convicted of two counts of first-degree kidnapping, which (in Nevada) carries the possibility of life in prison. Dumbass.

In total, he was convicted of:

But he won't serve life and if he's convicted of 18 he won't serve 18. He'll probably get 5-10, but have some time reduced. No way does he get life, come on. Only murderers and hardcore rapists get life.

Didn't mean to call anyone a dumbshit, bad choice of words. I meant retards ;)

g++
12-05-2008, 01:28 PM
But he won't serve life and if he's convicted of 18 he won't serve 18. He'll probably get 5-10, but have some time reduced. No way does he get life, come on. Only murderers and hardcore rapists get life.

Didn't mean to call anyone a dumbshit, bad choice of words. I meant retards ;)

Theres a guy in texas doing life for 4 bad checks under the three strike rule.

g++
12-05-2008, 01:31 PM
Looks like 15 years

Why does CNN say 15 and Fox 6. Is there a party slant on this issue?

Jorddyn
12-05-2008, 01:39 PM
15 year sentence, eligible for parole in 6.

g++
12-05-2008, 01:43 PM
Well that doesnt make any sense he was sentenced to 16 years total on consecutive charges for one thing so 15 doesnt make sense any way you slice it on top of that who announces parolable time as the time sentenced?

SHAFT
12-05-2008, 01:45 PM
A bit more than I expected.

The 3 strike rule doesn't really count. Plus, the guy with the checks isn't doing life just because of the checks.

Jorddyn
12-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Well that doesnt make any sense he was sentenced to 16 years total on consecutive charges for one thing so 15 doesnt make sense any way you slice it on top of that who announces parolable time as the time sentenced?

I don't see 16 anywhere (not saying it doesn't exist), and they're not saying he will be paroled in 6, they're saying he could be paroled in 6. That's pretty standard format of sentencing from what I've seen.

SHAFT
12-05-2008, 01:55 PM
CNN.com said 15 years with chance of parole in 6.

g++
12-05-2008, 01:55 PM
I don't see 16 anywhere (not saying it doesn't exist), and they're not saying he will be paroled in 6, they're saying he could be paroled in 6. That's pretty standard format of sentencing from what I've seen.

I watched the sentencing everything is running concurrent with a 15 year first degree kidnapping charge thats parolable in 5 except a 1 year consecutive charge for a gun. I dont think I have ever read a headline where they completely disregarded the actual sentence and went straight for the parole hearing before, not really standard at all.

Actually just checked fox they took the headline down and replaced it with 15 years.

SHAFT
12-05-2008, 02:05 PM
God is OJ dumb. Talk about having a target on your back and being completely clueless about it.

g++
12-05-2008, 02:06 PM
I think they are all saying at least 15 now to get around the fact that the gun charge is not fixed(1-3) so 15 sounds better than 16-18 with parole in 6 I suppose...Anyway his sentence was actually 16-18 I think.

Allereli
12-05-2008, 02:35 PM
You'd think reporters could get it straight the first time since they're in the courtroom. I'm still not clear on the sentencing since the different news sites are saying different things, but espn says that CJ Stewart gets at least 15 years, and OJ serves at least nine years. OJ is eligible for parole after 5 years for one sentence, but even if granted parole for that one, he'll still have to serve 18 month each for 2 accounts of assault with a deadly weapon, and another year for kidnapping, so that's what accounts for the 9 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3747669

SHAFT
12-05-2008, 03:44 PM
MSN.com is now saying up to 33 years and parole at 9 years. I give up.

g++
12-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Well the judge was speaking extremely fast and slurred and at the end she stopped saying whether she was doing concurrent sentencing or not so it got even more confusing and she was rambling off 1-3, 1-2, 1 year sentences after each breath so depending on how you interpret her last few sentences the sentence could be interpreted very differently.

Stanley Burrell
12-05-2008, 04:41 PM
He can probably make more money on his new book, now. ¡Viva capitalism!

Sean of the Thread
12-05-2008, 06:15 PM
I heard 8 years with parole possible after 5.

Pretty shitty for a 61 year old.

His problem not mine.