Loresinging, what am i doing wrong?

[Tilnam]

I have my bard at level 5 and no matter what I do, I can't get my loresinging to work. All it does is make me sing, and I get absolutely no response from the item.

I do: Loresing <item name> blah blah rhyme, purpose/value/etc blah blah rhyme.

Am I doing it wrong? I am copying loresongs from ones that work that others have used.

Here is an example of one I tried:


>loresing Armband, thy value i do seek;Answer me loud and don't be meek
You sing:

"Armband, thy value i do seek
Answer me loud and don't be meek"



And thats all I get.

[AestheticDeath]

At that age you need to use the keywords I would think.

value, purpose, magic, ability

and unless I am wrong they need to be in the second part..? I have always seen them there anyways

[AestheticDeath]

Or I am wrong altogether. Your just too young, or need to try again.

loresing backpack, thy value i do seek;Answer me loud and don't be meek
You sing resoundingly:

"Backpack, thy value i do seek
Answer me loud and don't be meek"


Roundtime: 8 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the satin backpack in your hand, and you learn something about it...

The first thing that strikes you about the backpack is the weight, which is about 40 pounds. In your best estimation, it's worth about 600 silvers.

[Tilnam]

Do bards have to be a certain level to loresing or need a certain training for it? Apparently something isn't right :(


You take a hardened leather backpack off your back.
>loresing backpack, thy value i do seek;Answer me loud and don't be meek
You sing:

"Backpack, thy value i do seek
Answer me loud and don't be meek"

>wear my backp
You put a hardened leather backpack on your back.



Because that didnt work for me~

[Stretch]

Here's what I used -

put loresing %1, Reveal unto me;Tell me your value to be
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, Reveal unto me;Tell me your purpose to be
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, Reveal unto me;Tell me your magic to be
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, Reveal unto me;Tell me your ability to be
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, Reveal unto me;Tell me your history to be

[Moist Happenings]

At that age you might need to get more complex. Try four lines instead of two. Might make a difference.

Backpack, thy value do I seek;Answer me loud and don't be meek;Backpack that I hold in my hand;What is your purpose in this land?

Also I've noticed that the system only tends to accept rhymes that end words the same way. seek/meek, hand/land, but something like..I dunno. porous and boris wouldn't work, even though they technically rhyme. Doesn't have any bearing on this particular problem. It's just something to keep in mind down the road if you didn't already know it.

[thefarmer]

Loresongs don't need to rhyme

[Moist Happenings]

Loresongs don't need to rhyme

No, they don't have to rhyme, but at low level especially the amount of information you get from them is greatly increased with rhymes.

Here. This is direct from Krakiipedia.

Loresinging is a bardic (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Bard) ability allowing a singer to divine the properties of an item with the sound of his voice. Some items will simply tell you its properties while others have a specific story attached to them that can only be observed through a bard, often called a loresong (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Loresong) itself due to the nature in which the story is revealed.
Different items have different amounts of difficulty to obtain the information from. In order to increase a loresong's strength and ability to divine a loresong from an item, various verses and rhyme schemes can be used to obtain the loresong. Specifically, two-line loresongs with no rhymes are less powerful than two-line verses with a rhyme scheme. And, a four-line verse with a rhyme scheme is even more powerful. Rhymes must be words that rhyme by spelling, such as the infamous hand/land rhyme. However, more and floor, though they rhyme when spoken aloud, they do not count as rhymes for the purpose of loresongs.
Additionally, if certain keywords are used (value, purpose, magic, and special ability) in a loresong, you can obtain certain bits of information from the item.
When loresinging to a magical or enhancive item (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Enhancive_item), a Bard may determine whether or not the item will be destroyed when its last magical or enhancive charge (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Charge) has been expended.
When singing to a piece of armor (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Armor) with resistance (http://www.krakiipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Resistance&action=edit) to a damage type, a proper loresong will tell the level of resistance.

[Tilnam]

Meh, tried again with the 4 liner and nothing. Maybe the bard has to be higher level?

[Moist Happenings]

Can't hurt to work your way up a bit. You're not really going to be able to get much useful until at least 12 or 13 anyway.

[Tilnam]

Yeah I will get him up there eventually. I made this to play with my brother in law who just started playing. He is new and made a wizard so I figured I would make a bard for loresinging purposes. Since my main is a rogue I am always getting a ton of crap from boxes I open and I never know if they are useful or not. I am usually too lazy to try and find a bard so I just sell it to the pawnshop or gem dealer lol.

[Moist Happenings]

Yeah, a friend of mine is working up a Bard right now, just came back. He's just turned 13, and I've been having him sing to anything interesting I found for about 5 levels now. He's only just now starting to get anything useful from most things for me.

[Danical]

Just so you know, plenty of shit is wrong on the KP site regarding bards.

I tried to edit it, but they still haven't added me as a contributor.

Consequently, I've lost interest.

[Moist Happenings]

Meh, I'm not sure that particular part is false anyway. I just tested it with my friend's 13 bard. Here's what I got:

You sing in Dwarven:

"White Opal, it's your value I seek
Tell me a story, don't be meek."


Roundtime: 9 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the white opal in your hand, and you learn something about it...

This is a small item, under a pound. In your best estimation, it's worth about 900 silvers, and is of above average quality.

You sing in Dwarven:

"Violet spinel, it's your value I seek
Tell me a story, or else."



>
Level: 13 Deeds: 2
Experience: 208487 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 21513 Recent Deaths: 3
Mental TPs: 80 Fame: 175685
Physical TPs: 0 Mana: 31/43 max
(68 Mnt converted to Phy)


Prolly makes little to no difference at high level, but it seems to play at least a small part at lower levels.

[Danical]

1) There's a character limit per line that has to be met.
2) The total number of characters determines the RT of the loresong.
3) The absolute fastest RT you can have from a loresong is 6 seconds.

I imagine what's happening is the character requirement reduces as you level.

[Moist Happenings]

Hmm, quite possibly.

[AestheticDeath]

1) There's a character limit per line that has to be met.
2) The total number of characters determines the RT of the loresong.
3) The absolute fastest RT you can have from a loresong is 6 seconds.

I imagine what's happening is the character requirement reduces as you level.
Holy fuck. So what loresongs do you use? Similar to Eds?

What is the min amount of characters you have to meet? And does this include the item name? i assume so

[Danical]

"Spectacles, it's your value I seek
Tell me a story, or else"


Roundtime: 8 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the gold-framed spectacles in your hand, and you learn something about it...

As you can see, less characters than your violet spinel song and it worked.

There might also be a threshold where you just can't loresing as well.

[Danical]

Edaarin copied me, duh.

[Danical]

I had a loresong script that would give me 6 seconds every time but I lost it when I changed over computers and I just don't give a fuck to make it again. a few seconds isn't a big deal.

[Danical]

I lied, I meant 5 seconds. LULZ.

[Danical]

Hmm, I think I'm mistaken.

You need a total of 40 characters at minimum (for a capped player) to activate the Loresong. It also appears every 8 characters increases the song RT by 1 and it rounds to the next highest integer (e.g., 58 characters gives 8 RT not 7).



R>loresing discus value ;abcdefghijkl
You sing:

"Discus value
Abcdefghijkl"


Roundtime: 5 sec.

[diethx]

put loresing %1, reveal unto me;Show your value that I might see.
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, reveal unto me;Show your purpose that I might see.
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, %1, tell me more;%1, %1, don't be a bore.;%1, reveal unto me;Show your magic that I might see.
pause
pause 1
put loresing %1, %1, tell me more;%1, %1, don't be a bore.;%1 of obvious worth;speak to me, do come forth;%1, reveal unto me;Show your ability that I might see.


It's stupid and cheesy, but it allows my lvl 20 bard to get value, purpose, magic, and ability.

[AestheticDeath]

Man if you had tits, Id kiss ya. I always thought the loresong RT was random. You just cut my times in half or less.

[Danical]

WINNAR!



loresing discus value ;
You sing:

"Discus value
"


Roundtime: 5 sec.


NOTE: You must have a second line. It can be a single character such as a ' ' character as in the above. I just PWND loresinging.

[Danical]

Man if you had tits, Id kiss ya. I always thought the loresong RT was random. You just cut my times in half or less.

It's only random because the number of characters of the items you're singing to change.

[AestheticDeath]

Yeah there is still that now, but I would never have assumed roundtime based on how many words I say. Though I suppose that makes sense. You talk more, it takes more time realistically.

But before my four different songs all had various lengths to them. And adding in the various item names, I got seriously random RTs. Never thought to look into different songs for different constant RTs though.

[Danical]

I'm going to recreate my lich script that limits the characters to 40 and accounts for the item character length.

I'll have it by tomorrow probably.

[AestheticDeath]

sweet

[Danical]

Obviously, I'll send it to you.

[AestheticDeath]

Doh! I kinda assumed it, since you announced you were making it. Heh.

Guess I could have asked though right.

[Danical]

Right, exactly, that's why I announced it. :D :D :D

[Danical]

Ok, I think I found another caveat.

No two successive verses may have the same total character length.

However, having 40-41 characters for the second and fourth verse allows for 5 seconds which overturns my conception of roundup(Xchar/8).

[Drunken Durfin]

I did not see this when I skimmed through the post, but doesn't the item being sung to have to be in your right hand?

[NocturnalRob]

I did not see this when I skimmed through the post, but doesn't the item being sung to have to be in your right hand?

yup, and i'm not skimming this entire thread, so i don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but the item has to be spelled out in its entirety.

[Danical]

So, if you're using lich here you go. This works for Gnimble. It's not very clean but it works fine for me.



if !checkright
exit
end

propertydb = [ "value ", "purpose", "magic ", "ability" ]
filler = " " * (11 - checkright.length)

fput "speak gnomish"

if script.vars[1] =~ /1/ or !script.vars[0]
fput "loresing #{checkright}, of secret #{propertydb[0]} #{filler};I command"
line = waitfor("You learn nothing new", "Roundtime\:")
if script.vars[1] =~ /1/
fput "speak common"
exit
end
waitrt?
end
if script.vars[1] =~ /2/ or !script.vars[0]
fput "loresing #{checkright}, of secret #{propertydb[1]} #{filler} ;I command"
line = waitfor("You learn nothing new", "Roundtime\:")
if script.vars[1] =~ /2/ or line =~ /You learn nothing new/
fput "speak common"
exit
end
waitrt?
end
if script.vars[1] =~ /3/ or !script.vars[0]
fput "loresing #{checkright}, of secret #{propertydb[2]} #{filler};I command"
line = waitfor("You learn nothing new", "Roundtime\:")
if script.vars[1] =~ /3/ or line =~ /You learn nothing new/
fput "speak common"
exit
end
waitrt?
end
if script.vars[1] =~ /4/ or !script.vars[0]
fput "loresing #{checkright}, of secret #{propertydb[3]} #{filler} ;I command"
line = waitfor("You learn nothing new", "Roundtime\:")
if script.vars[1] =~ /4/ or line =~ /You learn nothing new/
fput "speak common"
exit
end
waitrt?
end

fput "speak common"

[Danical]

I did not see this when I skimmed through the post, but doesn't the item being sung to have to be in your right hand?

You swap a steel lockpick to your left hand and a sonic tower shield to your right hand.
>
You feel at full magical power again.
>loresing ::lockpick lockpick, of secret value ;I command
You sing to your steel lockpick:

"Lockpick, of secret value
I command"


Roundtime: 5 sec.

If you LORESING TO THE OBJECT, you may loresing items in the left hand but not without targeting it as demonstrated below.

>loresing lockpick, of secret purpose ;I command
You sing:

"Lockpick, of secret purpose
I command "

[Danical]

I'm going to make a "RESEARCH: Loresing" thread when I'm done with work to consolidate all this info.

[Tilnam]

Is there some kind of hidden roll with loresinging?


>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"


Roundtime: 7 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the steel leg greaves in your hand, and you learn something about it...

The first thing that strikes you about the greaves is the weight, which is about 5 pounds. In your best estimation, it's worth about 28,000 silvers. You can also tell that there is some type of metal in the structure of the steel leg greaves.

R>


>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your ability in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your ability in these lands"

>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your value in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your value in these lands"

>
>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your purpose in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your purpose in these lands"



>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"

>
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"

>
[OOC]-Norminstar: "at what lvl can u start to ambush eyes with daggers as a rogue?"
>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"

>
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"

>loresing ::greaves Greaves in my hands;what is your magic in these lands
You sing confidently in Guildspeak to your steel leg greaves:

"Greaves in my hands
What is your magic in these lands"



It worked the first time and only the first time. And no matter how many more times I sung at it with the exact same line, nothing.

[Elvenlady]

You need to sing the four verses so that the keywords are in a certain order to garner all the information available:

1) value
2) purpose
3) magic
4) ability

Repeating a verse or the whole loresong will not work until you have reset it i.e. sing to something else then go back to the item in question.

[Drevihyin]

I know some Bards hate to listen to the land hand verses but my motto has been whatever works for you. I will seldom use a keyword unless I find an item that will not respond to my progressive song.

Drevihyin

[Elvenlady]

The use of keywords is dependent on the level of the bard. I believe the OP's bard is still at a fairly low level.

If I remember correctly they're not necessary after about level 20. At level 76 Cappyn's loresongs are completely abstract, often just two lines of muse and they work perfectly well but as you rightly say, stick to whatever works for you.

[Tilnam]

Hmm, so you have to sing in a particular order or something? I managed to get another loresong to work.


loresing ::crown crown mystical crown that I hold up high; tell me your value before you die; your purpose I wish I knew; tell me your magic before I am blue


I used that and got a response. I tried it again and nothing no matter how many times I try. I tried that same verse on a different item and nothing. This is really weird lol, So do I have to clear my loresing target somehow?

[Elvenlady]

I guess I'm not making myself clear. You will need to sing four separate verses in the correct order. Each verse should include both a reference to the item and also the keyword to activate the properties of that item. Verse 1 should cover value, verse 2 purpose and so on. For example:

>loresing I stand and gaze out to the east; And watch the rising sun.; I turn this ring in my hand,; And value the day that's begun.
You sing:

"I stand and gaze out to the east
And watch the rising sun.
I turn this ring in my hand,
And value the day that's begun."


Roundtime: 17 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the ornate gold ring in your hand, and you learn something about it...

This is a small item, under a pound. In your best estimation, it's worth about 5,000 silvers. You can also tell that there is some type of metal in the structure of the ornate gold ring.

sR>loresing I turn and look out to the west; Where blue rivers to the sea run.; I touch this ring and think of thee,; My purpose known to none.
You sing:

"I turn and look out to the west
Where blue rivers to the sea run.
I touch this ring and think of thee,
My purpose known to none."


Roundtime: 18 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the ornate gold ring in your hand, and you learn something about it...

You sense a faint aura of magic around the ornate gold ring. You also feel a faint drawing sensation from it, as though when its charge is depleted, it may be refilled. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the ring is to cast a spell or perform some magical purpose.

sR>loresing I look in both directions,; Gazing at the sun and sea.; I know to whom this ring belongs; And its magic calls to me.
You sing:

"I look in both directions,
Gazing at the sun and sea.
I know to whom this ring belongs
And its magic calls to me."


Roundtime: 16 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the ornate gold ring in your hand...

This is an item belonging to the Chronomages.

sR>loresing The horizon stretches far and wide; And beckons me that way.; This ring grants me gift of sight,; A long spell of time away.
You sing:

"The horizon stretches far and wide
And beckons me that way.
This ring grants me gift of sight,
A long spell of time away."


Roundtime: 17 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the ornate gold ring in your hand...

The ring is attuned to somewhere near Ta'Illistim.

You sense that the ornate gold ring will persist after its last magical charge has been expended.

As you gain levels you will no longer need to include the keywords, merely a reference (however obscure) to the item. For example (using a different ring):

>loresing Bright is the ring of words;When the right bard sings them
You sing:

"Bright is the ring of words
When the right bard sings them"


Roundtime: 8 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the inset silver ring in your hand, and you learn something about it...

This is a small item, under a pound. In your best estimation, it's worth about 100,000 silvers. You can also tell that there is some type of metal in the structure of the inset silver ring.

sR>loresing People gathering of every sort;When the piper calls them
You sing:

"People gathering of every sort
When the piper calls them"


Roundtime: 7 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the inset silver ring in your hand, and you learn something about it...

You sense a faint aura of magic around the inset silver ring. You also feel a faint drawing sensation from it, as though it may be able to hold more power. From the pitch of the vibration you determine that the purpose of the ring is to cast a spell or perform some magical purpose. Also, it seems to have some sort of enhancive properties.

sR>loresing Fair the peal of chimes and bells;When the minstrel rings them
You sing:

"Fair the peal of chimes and bells
When the minstrel rings them"


Roundtime: 8 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the inset silver ring in your hand...

From the rapid vibrations of the inset silver ring, you determine it has no spell within it now, but could be imbedded with one, in the proper hands. You estimate that it can contain an average amount of mana.
The ring resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
It provides a bonus to Mental Lore - Manipulation Bonus.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 5 times.
It provides a bonus to Constitution Bonus.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 4 times.
You think that you could probably find out something more about the ring's enhancive properties if you tried.


sR>loresing Admiring glances all abound;When the jongleur earns them
[script done]
s>
You sing:

"Admiring glances all abound
When the jongleur earns them "


Roundtime: 8 sec.

As you sing, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the inset silver ring in your hand...

The magical strength of this item is strong. It could probably handle the imbedding of an entirely new spell, if handled with care.

The ring resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
It provides a bonus of 2 to Mental Lore - Manipulation Bonus.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 5 times.
It provides a bonus of 1 to Constitution Bonus.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 4 times.
The ring looks to have more than your average giantman could count charges remaining.

You sense that the inset silver ring will crumble into dust after its last enhancive charge has been expended.

You sense that the inset silver ring will persist after its last magical charge has been expended.

Repeating the loresong on the same item straight afterwards results in this:

>loresing Bright is the ring of words;When the right bard sings them
You sing:

"Bright is the ring of words
When the right bard sings them"

You learn nothing new about the ring.

In order to be able to get information from it again, I would have to sing to something else first then come back to it .. effectively resetting it.

Hope that all makes sense and helps.

[Vesi]

Level does play a great part in whether the item responds or not. I have a level 37 bard and a level 8 bard and level 8 usually can't get anything after the second set of verses. Since I know my songs are good, I can only assume it's level. (since they work with my level 37 bard) At 37, she gets an answer on everything.

Sometimes I rhyme, sometimes I don't. It's just how I feel. Though, I do believe at lower levels, rhyming helps a lot. (course that was said earlier)

[Gan]

You're definately right about the order.

I just swapped my old loresing script song out for the simple one diethx posted earlier in this thread and I'm getting everything whereas before I was only getting 2 or 3 of the 4 total verses.

This is on a level 23 bard.