Deviant of the year: Mori-Nora

[Galleazzo]

What's freaking wrong with this flaming sack of shit? Read her websites and she's freaking gangrape obsessed. Yeah, I get she pulls this crap to have a hope of gettign laid 'cause she defines badger fat'n'ugly. What a friggin piece of work.

Anyway I'm here because the GMs stopped the discussion cold 'cause we couldn't talk about Nora/Morilinde/Krissella outloud. Wonder who she's blowing in St Louie.

[Iriscience]

What websites?

[Jonty]

Where's her website...?

[Hasina]

whoa.. what the hell is going on? For some reason, the only name that comes to mind when talking about blowing GMs and Gang-Bangs is Yactevia.... Oops... Did I just say that?

[Kitsun]

Did a google on Krissella and pulled up this site...

http://www.gsgather.com/

Not sure what the original post is referencing however.

[Miss X]

You evil kitten!

[Galleazzo]

Easy. Morilinde pulled Charna in to see the tail end of her gangrape, it was Eklinaar and another guy raping the hell out of her. Turns out Charna's player was raped herself, and she freaked at having to see that shit with no warning.

Isn't the first time Nora's pulled this shit. She had Xaltotun rape Valthrae and Krissella gangraped too, and the character history posted to her websiteis all about how Krissella's sister and mother were gangraped by bandits before they slit their throats. http://www.gsgather.com/krissbio.html

"The half-dozen or so human and elf-humans converged on the female members of her family that had been forcibly pressed to lie on the ground. They each in turn fidgeted with the waistbands of their grimy pants, knelt then covered her mother or sister with their heaving bodies. Krissella became more and more distressed as her mother's screams of rage turned to cries of pain and Troissa became even paler and her eyes stared unseeing into the stark blue sky. Her fearful whimpers, muffled by the cooling form of her brother, never reached the grunting brigand's ears. "

I hear that she sends naked pics of herself to guys who IM her too. I've seen a gather pic of her with clothes on and I don't fucking want to see her naked!!!

[Kitsun]

Kittens are not evil!

Back on topic...

I can't even see what is so obsessive about the site in and of itself.

It seems like a fairly typical player-made site. And because it is player created, it means that the person behind it holds some kind of passion for the game. Although some of the font/background colors made my eyes hurt.

I've actually interacted with Morilinde ingame and found her roleplay to be quite exceptional.

She's fairly active on the official boards although I don't recall any threads bashing her(if it were pulled then there'd be that reason).

Honestly, the original post was so vague, random and incoherent I wouldn't be surprised if he/she/it were the one that was obsessing about something.

[CrystalTears]

I think Nora and her husband have a WAY too open relationship. But hey, whatever floats their boat.

[Miss X]

I agree, I don't see what is wrong with her website. I couldnt recognise any obsessions. I've seen Morilinde RPing really well numerous times. I don't think Chica has ever interacted with her, but from what I saw of her she was great. (She is the blind empath right? Or am I totally confused?)
Vx

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Ok, this will sound heartless, and believe me, I know rape is a very serious subject...

But (please save your flames for later, this for me is a serious question)

Why is it, just about every woman claims to have been raped? Is rape so prevalent in our society that its true that near 80, 90% of adult females have at some time been raped? (these figures are purely from my own non-scientific analysis)

My cynical side says that some are just using it to garner attention, but who wants to accuse someone of that? Both instances are sad to me (rape, and faking being raped) and anger me, for different reasons.

Anyway, any rational thoughts on this, or am I just hanging with the wrong women.

[Iriscience]

Morilinde pulled Charna in to see the tail end of her gangrape

That happens in GS? Fuckin morons.

[Galleazzo]

Yeah, it happened. Big thread on theofficial boards, stopped cold yesterday.

[Betheny]

I've got to say that rape fantasies aren't out of the ordinary and aren't always something women want to happen. RPing something or writing it into a character history doesn't make you a sick fuck that wants to be raped. End of story.

That said, this woman's personal life is absolutely none of our business. I met Nora, and her husband, at a gathering when I lived in Minnesota. I went out to their house for an evening. We ate dinner, watched movies, and sat around and talked.

Yeah, maybe it wasn't the most exciting evening of my life, but I have to say that Nora and her husband are some of the nicest people I've met through GS. Doesn't mean I like or agree with how they live their life, but it isn't my life, now is it?

My advice? So what? Live and let live.

That's my two cents.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Anyway, any rational thoughts on this, or am I just hanging with the wrong women.

HEY! /SMACK

[CrystalTears]

I'm just tired of rapes being used in character histories. It's a little bit overused in my opinion.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'm just tired of rapes being used in character histories. It's a little bit overused in my opinion.

I don't disagree. But if you read up on half-elves you're led to believe most half-elves come from brutality (aka rape). So... I mean, if you're a half elf, it should be assumed that you're a child of rape. Official documentation says so.... :?: I guess? :?:

What the hell was I saying?

[CrystalTears]

I agree, and I know that's how half elves came about and I don't mind that. However I do mind when I see it with who aren't half elves.

[peam]

Alas, when Peam was but a young lad harvesting the fields in his parents' iceberry fields, a surly group of orcs came along and had their way with his bonny halfling arse.

On the subject of her, I could care less about what her characters do or what she does in real life. However, when every other post of hers on the official boards hints at just how many people her and her husband fuck and just how NASTY SHE CAN BE, BABY!, it gets annoying.

[Betheny]

I thought they didn't allow that kind of thing on the official boards, wtf? See, this is why I don't read them!

[Trinitis]

Heh, ya, where are the historys of guys being raped?! Sheesh.

Damn sexist rapists.

-Adredrin

[Edited on 1-30-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[Betheny]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Heh, ya, where are the historys of guys being raped?! Sheesh.

Damn sexist rapists.

-Adredrin

[Edited on 1-30-2004 by LordAdredrin]

Simply put, in an anatomical sense, chicks can't really rape guys. Molest them, yes, but not force them into a sex act. Except with Viagra, maybe.

Anyway, I'm sure you all can see my point.

Also, chicks do tend to use the rape thing as a shield and an excuse to do certain things or get away with certain behaviors.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Maimara
Simply put, in an anatomical sense, chicks can't really rape guys. Molest them, yes, but not force them into a sex act. Except with Viagra, maybe.Apparently a lot of guys have more self-control than I. :(

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'm just tired of rapes being used in character histories. It's a little bit overused in my opinion.

I don't disagree. But if you read up on half-elves you're led to believe most half-elves come from brutality (aka rape). So... I mean, if you're a half elf, it should be assumed that you're a child of rape. Official documentation says so.... :?: I guess? :?:

What the hell was I saying?


Just putting in here that Caiy is a half elf who wasn't born of rape. I was tired of that 'classic' story too.

Her drama is that her father fell in love with a human servant and was disowned for it. Later when Caiy was a young woman her father's parents abducted her to teach her father a lesson. But no rape in her story any where.

I do know a lot of women who have been raped, and it is one of the most common attacks on women. But I know just as many who weren't. Rape has a lot of categories and it's hard to ever really get an accurate statistic on it. :(

[Pierat]

There was a fella back in the day before Simuhad gemstone alone and they were slaves to prodigy and AOL.... And he would make people do things for him.
If you were nice, he would give you hundreds of free minutes for aol. I know someone who had a 1000 dollar AOL bill (This was before unlimeted acts.) Cause of gemstone.
So free minutes were a big thing. Now if you did his tasks, you got free minutes.
If you decided not to do his tasks, your AOL account, (Which was directly linked to your character back then) would be TOS'd and removed and you would loose your character.
What sort of tasks did he make you do? Well one of mine was waiting at a certain spot for him to use a fake character to kill someone, and then I would have to pick up all their items when they decayed, and give them to his real character. I did it once or twice under threat.
Then I told him to F' himself, and lost every character he could find out was me.
He did the same thing to several girls, but he didnt want them to wait to pick up peoples items, he did his own version of a online gemstone rape to them.
It does happen people. These girls were young, and they didnt wanna loose their characters.
I lost more characters, and I fought long and hard to get proof linking his real characters to his fake ones, he was smart and carefull to hide his tracks. but it does happen, and can be nasty, its not like what you think, oh gemstone rape, just log out or report.... It was different then. -Pierat

[Hasina]

I hate it when women use those fantasy pictures for their websites and don't cite the author. I've seen that same picture for about 50 other women in GS. Come on people, at least go to the Kobold Diary and get something more original.

[Skirmisher]

Hey, no one is forcing anyone to go to her website and read her history, so I don't quite get how there are any complaints about that.

I have only interacted with her characters a few times, but I must say that she stays in character a HELL of alot better than about 99% of the rest of the idiots infesting GS.

You disagree with how she is in her personal life as you imagine it to be? I guess you are entitled to your opinion as irrelevant as it may be to her personal life.

[Warriorbird]

She's a solid roleplayer. That I have no problem with. If she wants to act out her fantasies, that's just fine... behind closed doors with a consenting audience. Pulling in other people with no warning...including folks with a problem with it? That's where it became a problem.

This is something that's featured in all of her characters, from what I hear. Her choice to pursue it with those who want to be involved in it. This should not be public RP or "lets jolly well invite the town" RP, however.

[Warriorbird]

I didn't see anyone close the thread on the official boards. I just saw folks stop talking. I thought the thread, at least, was handled with a great deal of tact..though I have a different opinion on the attitudes of certain of the responsdents, knowing they were involved.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I didn't see anyone close the thread on the official boards. I just saw folks stop talking. I thought the thread, at least, was handled with a great deal of tact..though I have a different opinion on the attitudes of certain of the responsdents, knowing they were involved.

Yep. No one closed the thread. Pages 20-26 in Thoughts on Roleplaying if you care to read. 'I am at a loss' is the title of the thread.


Vesi

Edited to add the name of the thread.

[Edited on 1-30-2004 by Vesi]

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Maimara
Simply put, in an anatomical sense, chicks can't really rape guys. Molest them, yes, but not force them into a sex act. Except with Viagra, maybe.

Anatomically, you can if you try it with buttplugs and dildos.

[Skirmisher]

Whoa, strapon city.

[Weedmage Princess]

I forgot what movie it was I saw..(I wanna say New Jack City???) where they drugged this dude then had some prostitute have sex with the guy while he was all drugged up...wouldn't that be considered rape?

[Skirmisher]

I surely would.

[DCSL]

I've talked with this woman for a while in IMs, and interacted with her a few times in-game, including having a character involved in her organization. I have NEVER seen a hint of this, IG or otherwise. She's never mentioned anything about her husband, people she's banged, rape fantasies, threesomes, deviant sexual acts, et cetera, ad nauseum...

Even in the merchant event chat rooms, where it can get pretty damn raunchy, she didn't participate very much, showing a lady-like modesty in the face of much encouragement to tell-all. Her role-playing consistancy is nearly unmatched as far as I've seen.

I've never seen any of the supposed bragging posts on the official boards or unofficial. Where is this stuff?

Now. I'm not saying she's never done this stuff, because it's not like I see her every moment of the day. But I have a hard time believing that she would be at all malicious about involving Charna in this stuff. If she did, I'm pretty sure it's not at all on purpose, with no malice aforethought towards Charna's player.

And... Eklinaar?! Isn't he that easily-embarrassed OLD sylph?? I can't see him raping anyone, let alone the character in question. They seemed on courtly terms. I mean... are you sure you're not just accusing Eklinaar of being in on the rape because he's taken a stance not in accord with everyone else on the official boards on this subject? It just seems highly improbable with his character. Are you sure?

I won't comment on the appropriateness of role-playing rape in Gemstone. It's been hacked into the ground already and I'm sure no one's interested in my opinion.

[Shari]

At first I'd like to say, yes, rape is a horrible thing.

My frustration about this whole thing is as such. It is a fucking GAME, for christ's sake. I read a few of the posts on the boards and I guess she was at a table? Fucking leave and report, simple as that. Why would somebody willingly stick around for something like that if they didn't like it? I don't know Charna and maybe I am a heartless bitch, but I don't understand what you're freaking out about oog for. I'd be nailing their asses for rping something like that without my consent.

Furthermore, I cannot belive how many people are all, "I'm so sorry for you, you have my deepest sympathies, blah blah blah" on the boards from other people? It's TEXT. I just don't understand.

[Caiylania]

I don't know the whole story, but Jesae is right. It's a game where you can log out, warn, report, just Leave whenever you want to. How can anyone force you to do something?

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Heh, ya, where are the historys of guys being raped?! Sheesh.

Damn sexist rapists.

-Adredrin

[Edited on 1-30-2004 by LordAdredrin]

Go to a prision.

[CrystalTears]

Charna likes playing the victim. She sits and takes abuse and then gets personally offended by it. It's a shame because the player is a good roleplayer and Charna is a good character. But sometimes, if something doesn't go her way, she can be very irritating. I have had my problems with her along with friends of mine and I know that sometimes she doesn't know how to separate IG from RL.

I don't buy that she was "forced" into it. It's a game you can leave from or walk away. Unless she was bound or webbed, I don't see why she couldn't just walk away. And if she was, she could have logged out. Staying, taking it, and then complaining about it, so sorry, but that's her own fault. If she stayed, then at that point it was consensual.

As far as Nora, I think she's a great roleplayer and have never seen her be OOC and is always in character. However the player can and has taken OOC matters into the game and made them IC and she can intertwine the two. And things about her personally have been mentioned on the boards numerous times, she's just very subtle about it. Like a sledgehammer to the groin for those who hear it all the time, but still.. subtle.

[Artha]

She did log out, CT. As to the whole being forced into it thing, she got a thought from Kilthal saying 'Come here, something's happened' or something like that. So she went...and well, it got real bad, real fast.

[Edited on 1-31-2004 by Artha]

[Warriorbird]

Uhh. You walk into a room. Something disturbed happens. You can't exactly reverse time. It basically comes down to foreknowledge or not. No one should be involved in something like that unless it was discussed beforehand. Would you feel as comfortable with a child being invited in to see something done to a child? It's only a game, right?

[CrystalTears]

I didn't say reverse time and that's not really what I meant. I guess I mean for those who stay there for a prolonged period of time. If she walked in and it happened immediately then she left, then I apologize to her for assuming something that didn't happen.

And Warriorbird, if a child is playing this game, family game or not, if that happened to my child, I would hope he learns a lesson. I'm not going to coddle my child for something happening to him IN A GAME that adults generally play. Call me heartless, call me naive because I don't have my own children, but I don't see what a child walking into a situation like that has to do with it.

[DCSL]

Originally posted by Artha
She did log out, CT. As to the whole being forced into it thing, she got a thought from Kilthal saying 'Come here, something's happened' or something like that. So she went...and well, it got real bad, real fast.

[Edited on 1-31-2004 by Artha]

I think this is KEY. I want to stress this over and over and over and over again. Kilthal is the person that invited Charna into this. Nora never sought Charna out and brought her in at all. And yet.... Nora's the one being grilled for not warning Charna. Why is Kilthal getting off scot free? No no no no. This was fucked up on all sides, this isn't some witch hunt for Nora.

Edited for typo.

[Edited on 1-31-2004 by DCSL]

[CrystalTears]

You're right. Kilthal is guilty in this situation as well. I'm surprised he was involved, but nevertheless, he shouldn't get off scot free either. Still doesn't make Nora innocent though. ::dodges the thrown fruit::

[DCSL]

Yeah, and it could have all been kept private and Charna's player didn't have to talk about her IRL rape or anything like that. There were omissions and ovearreactions and lies all over the place. I'm not saying Nora's innocent, you'll notice I said I don't watch her 24/7 or anything. But since very few were hearing her side, I thought I'd jump in...

And there are some WILD accusations being flung around. I still have no idea where someone got that Eklinaar is a rapist. I mean... how ridiculous can you get? Calm down, people.

[DaMaGe]

Too many people take this game way too seriously. It's why I mostly powerhunt, now.


-Adam

[Artha]

DCSL:

Maybe the point of her original post was simply to get people to think before they pulled people into RP situations, especially ones that could cause them a great deal of RL pain.

[Warriorbird]

She planned the whole situation. She's done this with every single character of hers that I've known of. She also pulls the "I'm quitting over this and erasing all my accounts" card over and over and over...and just makes new characters.

I think she's a very very good roleplayer. I don't think this would've had the poignancy if she wasn't. I do think, however, if she wants to pursue such fantasies she needs to keep them private... and think about other ways of getting attention.

[Edited on 1-31-2004 by Warriorbird]

[DCSL]

Originally posted by Artha
DCSL:

Maybe the point of her original post was simply to get people to think before they pulled people into RP situations, especially ones that could cause them a great deal of RL pain.

And of course, that warrants this farce of a witch hunt and the slanderous accusations being flung about. All in the pursuit of role-play awareness. Yes.

[CrystalTears]

If she were a quiet person on the boards and not mention the way she lives her life and/or plays the game and her characters, I would agree with you.

[Bobmuhthol]

Scanning the thread..

<<I hear that she sends naked pics of herself to guys who IM her too.>>

Screen name plz.

[Warriorbird]

She's like 40, dude.

[Bobmuhthol]

/le frown.

[Warriorbird]

I hardly think this is a "farce of a witch hunt." I do agree, however, that unless Eklinaar himself says that he was involved, I'll sort've doubt he was.

[Ylena]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
She's like 40, dude.


Ahem.

What the fuck is wrong with being 40?

I mean, I'm not sending nude pix to anybody or anything, but 40 doesn't mean you're fucking dead or something.

[Kitsun]

Because Bob is like 13...anyone over 18 is near death to kids, heh.

[StrayRogue]

Nora is hot. Anyway, Charna constantly whines on the boards about stuff being IC and OOC that she should understand that the oppression of women, THE WEAKER SEX, happened all the time back then, in the time setting GS is based. Get over it. If its too much, don't play the fucking game. You did read the over 18's warning, didn't you?

[CrystalTears]

There is no over 18 warning. This is advertised as a family game. Even though most of us believe that to be untrue and should be an adult game, it actually isn't.

[Warriorbird]

Nothing wrong with being over 40. Little old for Bob's age, however, was the main point of my comment.

Uhh...Stay did it ever occur to you that some stuff might offend some folks? Yeesh. I'm sure a depiction of a guy raping another guy in public would make you feel just peachy, right? As I said countless times... if someone wants to do that in privacy? That's fine. Just drawing other random people in is where it crosses the line.

[Latrinsorm]

It's just Puritanism again. It's ok to have kids watch heads explode into mist or rip skin and muscle away from things, but it crosses the line at sexuality, or perversions thereof.

[StrayRogue]

I totally agree Latrinsorm, totally agree. Its all about double standards. Its fine and dandy to see graphics scenes of torture and gore, but not sex? If she was getting so offended OOG, she should have just left.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
There is no over 18 warning. This is advertised as a family game. Even though most of us believe that to be untrue and should be an adult game, it actually isn't.

You need a credit card to play this game. Unless the law is different over there, you need to be 18 to get a credit card. There is also a writter "letter to parents" discussing such things.

[CrystalTears]

You need to be 18 or over to pay for the account. The people playing in it don't have to be.

And if this was an 18 or over game, there would be no need to have a stupid letter to parents in the first place.

no you need a checking account.

[StrayRogue]

Well if the parents let their kiddies watch the scary movie, then the scary movies poop the bed, whose fault is it? I have no sympathy.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by WarriorbirdShe planned the whole situation. She's done this with every single character of hers that I've known of. She also pulls the "I'm quitting over this and erasing all my accounts" card over and over and over...and just makes new characters.

I think she's a very very good roleplayer. I don't think this would've had the poignancy if she wasn't. I do think, however, if she wants to pursue such fantasies she needs to keep them private... and think about other ways of getting attention.
No shit, and it's pretty old. Never mind the other garbage she pulls. Didja hear the REAL reason she ashcanned Krissella and why Gahread got onto her shit list? Because Gahread's PLAYER got married to Siwas's PLAYER. Out of character. Just before Gahread got shipped off to Iraq. And Nora married to another guy all the while. I mean, what the fuck? Where did she get off trashing him ON THE OFFICIAL FORUM? Witch hunt nothing, slander nothing, she set the rules of the game.

Now if she wants to brag about being a whore and e-mail nude pictures to people, that's her business, and if she wants all her characters to slut out, that's her business too. But she's messed with a lot of people, and she can't complain if she takes some back.

she does not seem like a nice person I think....

[CrystalTears]

You're right, it's the parent's responsibility if the child cannot handle what is happening in the game and should reply to them with "well you wanted to play it, so deal with it". However game or real, not all people want to have to deal with situations that they didn't want to be a part of in the first place. Being forced into a sexual scenario that even in real life they don't approve of is not right and shouldn't have to "suck it up". I do believe that staying there for a long period of time is ridiculous and unnecessary, but the initial shock is not easy to get over.

[StrayRogue]

Who the fuck said anyone forced her into it? Who forced her to read? Who forced her to NOT type exit? No one.

im with stray on this. It is a game and if you do not like whats going on type EXIT and its over, people chose to stay then they should be able to deal with what happens... I think we need to start doing a psyological screening on the people that play/end rant

[CrystalTears]

Well when you are invited to walk in somewhere, you pretty much need to read what's going on, no? It's not like it's a graphic and you just see it for a split second and take it off.

And hey, I'm one that doesn't believe in forced anything in this game but apparently sometimes you get caught in something that came out of nowhere and you're not quick to react.

I personally do not get offended by anything in this game, so I wouldn't have thrown a tamtrum like she supposedly did. However other people aren't like me and are sensitive to certain issues and can't handle even the littlest of situations such as those. With that being said, if that were me, I wouldn't just go anywhere that someone told me to without questioning why I should go there in the first place.

[StrayRogue]

Heh CT, if there were more people who played GS like you or I, it would be a better place. Unless the rape itself was all in one chunky ACT, I believe should could have seen what was going on, and reacted.

[CrystalTears]

Man, now I wanna see one of these lewd acts. How come I'm never invited to these things, huh? Charna is a frickin' Zelian! Who wants a nutcase in a porn anyway? Bring on the rogue with the diamond fangs! :D

arnt nutcases normaly in porn?

[CrystalTears]

Uh.. no, not the ones I own anyway. :P

do you star in any of them?
sorry I had to ask
dont answer

[CrystalTears]

Heh, no I don't. Why would I want to watch myself doing the nasty? :P

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Heh, no I don't. Why would I want to watch myself doing the nasty? :P You forgot who you were talking to. :D

to each their own

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Heh, no I don't. Why would I want to watch myself doing the nasty? :P You forgot who you were talking to. :D

fuck off
::mutters::
:lol:

[CrystalTears]

Oh so Edine wants to star in porn and watch himself in them. The truth finally comes out. :D

i never said that dont put words in my mouth

[CrystalTears]

Okay okay, I'm sorry I'm sorry. I was a bad girl. Bad CT!

Back to talking about Nora's porn or whatever.

[Galleazzo]

I dunno. Does Edine have a tight ass?

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I dunno. Does Edine have a tight ass?

.................................................. ..............oh my god.

[Sean]

yea so uh whos are the real deviants?

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I dunno. Does Edine have a tight ass?

um please tell me your a chick....

[peam]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
I dunno. Does Edine have a tight ass?

ATTN:

This guy has fucking won this thread.

It's over.

[Galleazzo]

Nope, I'm not, but hell, I don't want to see you in a porn flick if you don't at least have a decent bod. Gotta match the hot chicks after all.

to quote Tayre

.................................................. ...........OMFG

[Drew2]

Next person who mentions Edine in a porn, I'm sending you Anthrax.

Now excuse me while I proceed to bore images out of my head.

[Galleazzo]

Thank ya ... thank ya verrah much ...

[DCSL]

Just to clarify, Charna wasn't invited into the rape. Kilthal invited her in to help the victim, Nora's character, with whatever physical/psycological damage there might be. There was something about blood on the character's skirt and bruises from a beating on her skin. Somethin' like that. Whatever else Nora's done, I still think this was blown out of proportion.

[Warriorbird]

So, how did the collection of other Havenites get involved? If anything, as regards what was displayed...it was the fact that Nora's a solid roleplayer than made it worse on Charna, I imagine.

[Warriorbird]

She exited almost immediately. Doesn't mean folks can automatically go "No, didn't see that." I know that at least at my level of reading speed I pretty much automatically go through anything on a GS screen unless it is extreme screen scroll (like the Spitfire opening).

[DeV]

Im sorry but this shit is weird. For one, is the game that unique and interesting that one would incorporate fantasy rape into a characters history and involve other people who may be there just to "have fun" and not deal with a "pretend" character getting/being raped. Anyone who takes it to that level has surpassed the normalcy of roleplay and obviously has foresaken the convept of a "family orientated" game. Like its ever been that way anyway.. but still. Roleplaying rape should be only shared with those who know you, and know your character history and are cool with dealing with something like that.

[CrystalTears]

I agree. I see no reason to reenact a rape of such caliber in this game that would cause someone to cringe. If that's the type of roleplaying you enjoy, keep it very private and don't involve anyone that wasn't told about it beforehand.

[Galleazzo]

Eklinaar says now he wasn't a rapist, he and Kilthal were invited in just like Charna was.

[CrystalTears]

I'm still stumped by the whole "inviting" thing.

[peam]

Well, I don't know about you, but when I rape someone, I sent out formal invitations. RSVP is a must! :P

[Galleazzo]

Eklinaar says he got IMed from Nora asking if he wanted to participate in a rape scenario. Mebbe Kilthal did too, I don't know. Kilthal told Charna on the net that something was wrong with Morilinde and it needed a "woman empath" to deal with.

[CrystalTears]

So there's a female empath involved too?! Since Charna is a ranger, that's not it so there's even more people in this she-bang? Good grief.

[DCSL]

How many times must it be said? None of these people saw any rape being enacted. NO ONE saw any rape. There was only the aftermath that anyone saw.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by DCSL
How many times must it be said? None of these people saw any rape being enacted. NO ONE saw any rape. There was only the aftermath that anyone saw.

OOZING AFTERMATH?!?!

[Skirmisher]

Oy with the oozing...

[CrystalTears]

So are you saying that Charna was lying and didn't actually see anything?

[Warriorbird]

Not what I heard, Dextra. None of them had the issues Charna did with it though. It was acted out. Charna just saw the results. What they were saying was that Kilthal invited her in, not Nora.

[DCSL]

I'm saying Charna did not see a rape played out in this case in GS. I didn't read her post on the official boards because at that point I was trying not to get involved, but with the wild accusations, some clarification is obviously in order. I don't know if she said she saw the rape-in-progress, but I know she absolutely did not actually see that. Just the aftermath. I doubt she lied though... she doesn't seem like that kind of woman. Probably just a misunderstanding.

And if it was acted out, it was obviously acted out in a more private manner between consenting adults, because none of those involved with the actual rape were complaining. That is completely their business, when handled in that completely private and consensual manner.

I too, do object to Charna's not being asked or warned, but then... I'm puzzled by why Nora's being pursued for that particular fault. She had nothing to do with inviting Charna in on this one. As was said before, it was Kilthal.

Okay, so Nora's obviously done things to piss people off. I've actually been IMed over my defense and told horrible things about her. Whether or not they're true, who knows. But I thought the issue was the current complaint. If someone is going to get fried, they should be fried for the things they've actually done. Not the things that people are so sure they've done just because they've done things like it in the past. Fry her for the past things, geez, or at least settle on something correct to grill her over in the current situation.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by DCSL
How many times must it be said? None of these people saw any rape being enacted. NO ONE saw any rape. There was only the aftermath that anyone saw.
So what's your point?:cool:

[CrystalTears]

Am I the only one that has a problem with people being dragged into a rape aftermath as well?

[Tsa`ah]

I don't think it matters if she was invited before, during, or after.

Until Simu rates this game as Adult Oriented, they shouldn't do that shit period.

When Simu flips Disney the bird and say bye bye to the 18 and under crowd, go for it. Rape, pillage, and plunder to your hearts content, until that time ... be fucking considerate.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Am I the only one that has a problem with people being dragged into a rape aftermath as well?
Nope, you're not.

And yeah, I know, people want to hang Kilthal. So he didn't think, but he's not the one who ALWAYS gets his characters raped and ALWAYS makes sure people are hauled in to be crying towels. Nora's a fucking deviant. She ought to keep her deviance to the paid customers and leave bystanders out of it.

[DCSL]

Alright, so fry her over the aftermath thing. People were saying that she'd enacted the rape right in front of her and that's what I took issue with.

Don't make me out to be some sort of unfeeling monster, here. I'm not. I'm just trying to get you people straight on what happened properly so that you can have your roast for the right reasons. Rowr.

[Warriorbird]

It was enacted. Just not in front of her. But from a skilled roleplayer, I imagine the aftermath could be just as effecting, if not moreso.

[Betheny]

I take issue with a third party bringing it here.

Charna has a problem, Charna should have posted about it, at least then we wouldn't have had to wade through five pages of bullshit before we found out the truth.

Come on, if it doesn't involve you personally, is it really your place to come here and start flaming people about it?

I think not.

[DCSL]

I had written this whole long thing reiterating all that I've been saying that others have been twisting, but you know what? Forget it. I'm already a villain, why dig myself in more? I am so sorry for saying anything at all. I humbly beg everyone's forgiveness.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by DCSL
I had written this whole long thing reiterating all that I've been saying that others have been twisting, but you know what? Forget it. I'm already a villain, why dig myself in more? I am so sorry for saying anything at all. I humbly beg everyone's forgiveness.

I wasn't talking about you, you're the one making sense here. I was talking about the starter of this thread.

[Galleazzo]

Oh, man.

You telling me you made nearly 4000 posts to this board, and you're posting in Complaints, and you've never said anything about anything that didn't directly concern you? (Like here?) C'monnnnn. If folks wanted to be nice and sweet and kind and accepting of everyone, you'd all be over on the official forums.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Oh, man.

You telling me you made nearly 4000 posts to this board, and you're posting in Complaints, and you've never said anything about anything that didn't directly concern you? (Like here?) C'monnnnn. If folks wanted to be nice and sweet and kind and accepting of everyone, you'd all be over on the official forums.

To my recollection, I've never started a thread because "My friend got screwed", without being asked to or not being present at whatever went on.

[Galleazzo]

Neither did I. I started the thread because this is a forum about bitching about things and I wanted to bitch about this stupid slag who keeps pulling this shit. I dunno which friend you're talking about.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Neither did I. I started the thread because this is a forum about bitching about things and I wanted to bitch about this stupid slag who keeps pulling this shit. I dunno which friend you're talking about.

Wow.

I've never heard about Nora doing anything like what you said she did. Forcing Charna to watch, etc...

Whatever. This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion, as things usually tend to be when some moron gets on the bullhorn and starts screaming about something he or she doesn't even know about.

[Galleazzo]

Speaking of morons, you want to show me the post where I said that Charna was "forced" to watch?

The only screwup I made was in saying Eklinaar was one of the rapists, which he seemed to say initially his own self. He corrected himself later. Might as well take his word for it.

But yeah, I already get it. If it didn't happen to you or where you could see it, it didn't happen, huh?

[Betheny]

Nah. If it didn't happen to me or I wasn't there to see it, it isn't my business to run around announcing the skewed facts of what may or may not have happened.

[CrystalTears]

Whoa.. because everyone in that Lisu thread had personal experiences with her to have an opinion about how she behaves in the game? No one is allowed to comment on that? Let's not start that BS because after over 10,000 posts on these boards, I'm betting about a fifth of those were about an event that was witnessed in third person or spoken about on the official boards.

[Edited on 2/3/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Easy. Morilinde pulled Charna in to see the tail end of her gangrape, it was Eklinaar and another guy raping the hell out of her.

I hear that she sends naked pics of herself to guys who IM her too.

There's your misinformation.

[Methais]

<<the only name that comes to mind when talking about blowing GMs and Gang-Bangs is Yactevia....>>

Huh? What did I miss now?

[Galleazzo]

What, that she sends naked pics? Tell you what. Want to see the one she send me? I still have fucking nightmares over it, and I didn't even ask for anything naked.

And heh, Eklinaar wasn't the guy doing the rape, but I already corrected that one.

[Edited on 2-4-2004 by Galleazzo]

[StrayRogue]

At CT's request, I've moved this. We are discussing the newbies fear of posting his character name:

Pussy. Ha. Total pussy.

One thing I DO know is this: Nora didn't give her name out to hardly anyone. Who she played was a well kept secret. Therefore, for you to utterly out her, you must either be linked with Charna, a jilted ex-lover, or just a cunt of a former friend. All of the above three is pathetic. As SHM said, its just text. Text you are afraid to admit too.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
What, that she sends naked pics? Tell you what. Want to see the one she send me? I still have fucking nightmares over it, and I didn't even ask for anything naked.

And heh, Eklinaar wasn't the guy doing the rape, but I already corrected that one.

[Edited on 2-4-2004 by Galleazzo]

You are some piece of work you. Crass, classless, clueless clown.

[StrayRogue]

I totally agree.

[Galleazzo]

(eee eee eee eee) Know what that is? The sound of the world's smallest violin playing in the background while you cry.

[StrayRogue]

You say something pussy?

[Mint]

I guess that sig of his is meant to make us all cower in our boots. What an idiot.

[StrayRogue]

Any idiot can kill a War Griffon. I know a lvl 30 ranger whose done it.

[Methais]

<<Any idiot can kill a War Griffon. I know a lvl 30 ranger whose done it.>>

I think that would be a bit difficult, since there's a level requirement to even get to the area where war griffins (level 100) can be found. Not sure what it is in GS4 but in GS3 it was 105, and definitely way over 30 in GS4.

[StrayRogue]

I'll U2U her name. You can ask her yourself. She also posted on the boards a while back. I think she's something like a lvl 33 archer/ranger.

[Methais]

Hmm. Now that I think of it I somewhat recall some type of event where war griffins were invading somewhere, but I can't remember where or when, or if it even happened.

What a pointless post I just made.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Methais
Hmm. Now that I think of it I somewhat recall some type of event where war griffins were invading somewhere, but I can't remember where or when, or if it even happened.

What a pointless post I just made.

That is all I have been doing all day.

[Galleazzo]

Sounds about right to me.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Sounds about right to me.

Ah the slimeball has crawled out of his cave.

[Galleazzo]

You know, you're pretty funny, lil lady. This is getting pretty good. What else ya got?

[Mint]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
You know, you're pretty funny, lil lady. This is getting pretty good. What else ya got?

More to come, after coffee

[Mint]

Actually I am tired of insulting you. Takes too much energy so back to the normal hugs and kisses Mint. Until you pique my wrath....

[Edaarin]

War griffins hit the dais a few times. Methais is a dumbass. Warn Methais harassment.

[Amaron]

Nora= Morilinde is no secret...

I knew several weeks ago and I am not even close to her....

Many folks knew months ago...

There are no secrets in GS

[DaMaGe]

She's also Valthrae and Krissella.

Who said it was a secret?


-Adam

[Warriorbird]

Stay...she bloody well outted herself during several festival chats.

[DaMaGe]

Oh, I usually skip his posts. My fault.

But no, he didn't 'out' her. It's pretty much been public knowledge for awhile, plus she refers to her characters all the time on the official boards.


-Adam

[Methais]

War griffins hit the dais a few times. Methais is a dumbass. Warn Methais harassment.

>REPORT Edaarin called me a dumbass & warned me for no reason ban him plz!!!!!!!1

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Amaron
Many folks knew months ago...

There are no secrets in GS
Pretty much. You want to keep it a secret you've a new play.net account and a new character on it, you don't tell everyone you know, you don't start the same web projects you tried with the previous character, you don't use your new character to pick, sight unseen, the same IC enemies your old ones had, and you're a wee bit more subtle about the guys you invite to the great Midwest for a weekend of threesome frolic.

Me, I couldn't figure it out my own self. Seems a lot of trouble to get a new identity just to out herself in a month flat. I guess what she was trying to do was save face after screaming so loudly that Gahread's player had ruined her life and she had to quit the game forever for real this time, honest, really.

[Betheny]

She's been playing Morilinde a lot longer than you folks think. At least since this summer, probably longer. She told me about it late summer, august or september, but swore me to secrecy. I never told anybody. Til now, but it's a moot point, seeing as how everyone knows from some other channel.

[StrayRogue]

Same here Maim.

[DaMaGe]

I don't know it from 'some other channel'.

She told me herself.


-Adam

[Betheny]

I meant a channel other than myself, dork. I kept my mouth shut. Or my fingers, whatever.

[Galleazzo]

She was playing Morilinde before Bardfest and that's July. I know Siirmal and she came in at Bardfest on his arm all friendly-like, and people chatted her up like they'd known her for a bit. I didn't know it was Nora for another month or so. Seemed like she was only being modestly bitchy to people, not really screwing anyone over and keeping her pants mostly zipped so wasn't any point to blabbing.

:no:

[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Galleazzo]

[StrayRogue]

So basically, as it was kept secret back then, she told you, and you've abused that knowledge, that trust. What she do to you? Not fuck you? What a fucking retard.

[Galleazzo]

No, she didn't tell me at all. Doubt she would've, didn't much care.

Tell me ... are you like this all the time, or you just a part-time whiny pussy?

Funny by the way -- ain't harping too much now on my character name. Wonder why you stopped wanting to know so bad ...

:smilegrin:


[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Galleazzo]

[StrayRogue]

No, just with idiotic pussies like you. Tell me, did your mother raise you to be such a fucking whimp? Or are you one of these cripples who lives in fear because you really have such a weak and pathetic body in reality?

[Mint]

:settles back to watch the blood flow:

edit to add: Go Stray Go.


[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Mint]

[Galleazzo]

(laughs) This is pretty funny, guy. You can do better than that I bet.

[StrayRogue]

Why should I waste a time on a gutless yellow piece of shit?

[Galleazzo]

(snickers) This is good. I bet I can keep you frothin' at the mouth all night long, huh?

[Betheny]

I don't know, G, I said you were wrong for bringing this here and making a circus out of it, and you tried to talk your way out of that, as though you were justified. Now, someone with a little more venom in his fangs is onto you (Just to clarify, i mean Stray.) Can't take the heat? Then why continue to post?

[Mint]

I want to have Maimara's children.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Mint
I want to have Maimara's children.

There's a line, by now! LOL!

[Warriorbird]

Not like you wouldn't bring things here, Beth, if you had issues. This is the forum that lets you discuss what you can't on the official boards. If anything, it makes me sad that she pulled this crap with Morilinde. I honestly liked the character. But, if someone's driving goal is rape fantasy...I suppose it'd happen sooner or later. I just hope she plans things better next time, because I'm pretty sure she'll be back and do it again.

[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Warriorbird]

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Methais
Hmm. Now that I think of it I somewhat recall some type of event where war griffins were invading somewhere, but I can't remember where or when, or if it even happened.

In Ta'Illistim, they came in the town gates.

[StrayRogue]

It was already being discussed in a more mature manner (for once) on the officials. Its not like he posted here to make any kind of point other than to flame indiscriminately. Hence why I feel he's a fucking loser for not disclosing his name, as I am sure people whom used to trust him would love to know what kind of backstabbing piece of shit he is.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
(snickers) This is good. I bet I can keep you frothin' at the mouth all night long, huh?

Making friends fast there champ.

Oh and hope you get a real nasty if non lethal std for making me agree with Stray yet again.:mad:

[StrayRogue]

You knew it was inevitable Skirmisher ;)

[Warriorbird]

So...I mean...with... 4618 posts here, Stay... it's not like you ever brought anything here, right? I've bitched about stuff that bothers me more than a few times myself. And can you honestly say after your last few posts you're doing any better than he is with your response? Your mood, for instance, comes across as pretty bloody offensive. You haven't seemed to add anything other than flaming Charna? And you know, even though I disagree with you on that, I'm not debating your right to flame away. Lord knows I've done some flaming here, specially in Edgeleaf's direction. Your "mood" would probably be pretty bloody offensive to anyone who's actually experienced rape or who's family members have been... but then again, I'm not saying you don't have the right to put that up either.

[Betheny]

It isn't that his posts are about something that bothers him, it's that his posts were made simply to defame someone, due to a situation he knew NOTHING about in the first place.

THAT is what bothers me. Not anything else.

[StrayRogue]

Well we've spoken about this, and you pretty much know my position. Yeah, I post alot here, just like you post alot on the officials. Its not like I post millions of 1 word things either. But thats not the point. I've had my say on the Charna/Morilinde rape thing, here and on the official boards. Now what has irked me about this thread is the idiot whose posted it: Its someone whose betrayed the trust of someone and then refusing to take responsibility for it.

Thats whats angering me.

[Warriorbird]

I think he's pretty well acquainted with it.

[Methais]

I hung my nuts in your Cheerios.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Mint
I want to have Maimara's children.

There's a line, by now! LOL!

Is that a line of kids or a line of people wanting to have them with you?

:lol:

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
So...I mean...with... 4618 posts here, Stay... it's not like you ever brought anything here, right? I've bitched about stuff that bothers me more than a few times myself. And can you honestly say after your last few posts you're doing any better than he is with your response? Your mood, for instance, comes across as pretty bloody offensive. You haven't seemed to add anything other than flaming Charna? And you know, even though I disagree with you on that, I'm not debating your right to flame away. Lord knows I've done some flaming here, specially in Edgeleaf's direction. Your "mood" would probably be pretty bloody offensive to anyone who's actually experienced rape or who's family members have been... but then again, I'm not saying you don't have the right to put that up either.
Yeah, I figured pretty much the same. Everyone loves to slag the people they love to slag, until someone goes after one of THEIR friends. Me, I bring heat, so I don't mind taking it, although what he's bringing is laughter, but what the hell. Guess Mr. Holier Than Thou got something here he isn't telling us, like maybe Charna shortsheeted his bed or Nora came across for him, I dunno.

The real funny thing is this new crusade of his about how I've Betrayed Someone's Trust. What a fucking laugh. It's been over a year and a half since I talked to the bint, and I figured out she was Mori the same way a bunch of other people posting here did -- by the grapevine, seeing her style or by her own loud mouth spreading too much to too many. It'd be like if StrayBrains found out my character name and posted it here (and I've left a couple clues) and I screamed HE BETRAYED MEEEE!! Yeah, fuck that, like he owes jack shit to someone he doesn't much like, doesn't talk to and doesn't deal with. About as much as I owe Nora, huh?

:lol:

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Galleazzo]

[Betheny]

Why am I against this thread? Because I'm against pretty much every thread that's started by a third party with MISINFORMATION and not even the parties involved really care enough about it to come here and discuss it. Once, it was said that a person's real life ought to be left the hell out of any flaming posts made unless that person brought it up. I don't see Nora here bringing up her personal life. Do you?

[Warriorbird]

I think he's about as connected to this as anyone could be, Beth.

[Galleazzo]

Nope, I don't see her here talking about her personal life. So? If you wanted to play nice and polite and by all the rules, why are you on this board? What's wrong with the official one?

And if you disagree so much, why keep reading this thread? Why keep posting to this one? Man, some of you guys are just as bad as the people who scream about how TV is rotting the minds of the American public, and then you go off and watch Survivor and Skinemax movies. Instead you been posting about how this is wrong, this is a violation of privacy, this is a violation of trust, every single fricking day. Oh, and reading all the posts too. Smooth move.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Nope, I don't see her here talking about her personal life. So? If you wanted to play nice and polite and by all the rules, why are you on this board? What's wrong with the official one?

For starters, because I've been posting here for quite a while, and I enjoy this place. Regardless of you and your stupid little petty arguement, this place is a comunnity with lots of people I like, and even some I don't. Imagine that -- someone being here because they LIKE it, not because they're out to ruin someone's day! GASP!


And if you disagree so much, why keep reading this thread? Why keep posting to this one?

Because this is our board? You're the noob, and you're making it a rather hostile, nasty, trashy place, and we have a right to say what we want to, just like you have a right to be here and post all the Springer-esque stuff you want? Just because we're vocal and say we dislike it doesn't mean we're campaigning to take that right away from anyone. This is a free board, and I'm allowed to express my opinion like anyone else. I'm not stopping you, or trying to stop you. So can it.


Man, some of you guys are just as bad as the people who scream about how TV is rotting the minds of the American public, and then you go off and watch Survivor and Skinemax movies. Instead you been posting about how this is wrong, this is a violation of privacy, this is a violation of trust, every single fricking day. Oh, and reading all the posts too. Smooth move.

You're not an innocent victim, so shut it. If you think what you said above is true, then what the flaming hell does that make you? You should be a National Enquirer reporter or something.

[Mint]

I feel strangely satisfied right now....

[Methais]

I pissed on myself.

[Shalla]

For some reason I am curious to find out what this thread is all about.. but I've had enough drama to last me for awhile. I certainly don't want to me dragged into someone else's.


Edit: Dragged? More like I don't want to involve myself on someone else's drama. :smilegrin:

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Lady Shalla]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Methais
I pissed on myself. You should change a word in your mood, then.

[Methais]

You're right!

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Maimara
You're not an innocent victim, so shut it. If you think what you said above is true, then what the flaming hell does that make you?

More honest than you? (grins) Can't have it both ways. You wanna yell about hostility while slinging the flames, you want to be in favor of intellectual freedom but get the people who disagree with you to shut up, you want to bitch about prolonging threads over and over and over and over (yawn) again, and you want to scream about distortions and not get it right yourself.

Believe in what you want, but can you stick to something? Pick one, I don't care, but people who complain about the behavior of others ought t'be consistent, doncha think?

:smug:

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Galleazzo]

[Mint]

Galleazzo you really should try the 'today posts' page so we get more of your wisdom on a more timely basis.
Sarcasm intended

[Galleazzo]

Gosh, you think so? Anything for you, my sweet Mint.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
More honest than you? (grins) Can't have it both ways. You wanna yell about hostility while slinging the flames, you want to be in favor of intellectual freedom but get the people who disagree with you to shut up, you want to bitch about prolonging threads over and over and over and over (yawn) again, and you want to scream about distortions and not get it right yourself.

Believe in what you want, but can you stick to something? Pick one, I don't care, but people who complain about the behavior of others ought t'be consistent, doncha think?

:smug:

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Galleazzo]

You need to read what I said over again, if you have the capacity.

[Galleazzo]

Been there, done that, posted what I thought of it, have nothing new to add, bored now.

[SpunGirl]

This thread is lame. That's all.

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

wtf is this thread about?

[SpunGirl]

Someone mentioned it to me last night so I just came to see it. That's like 14 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

What I find amazing is people who will totally upbraid other people for saying things that are "mean" and chew people out for bashing other people for the sake of bashing have said some pretty out of line things. At least, out of line in my opinion.

Regardless of this woman's personal life, how does it have anything to do with the bit that transpired in-game?

-K

[StrayRogue]

I don't know Charna. I know Nora partially, though we haven't spoken in months. I just hate fucking pussies who like to spout off about people with impunity. What a fucking loser.

[Warriorbird]

Not like either you or Maimara ever did that. Not calling either of you pussies, but everyone spouts off with impunity.

[Edited on 2-7-2004 by Warriorbird]

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Not like either you or Maimara ever did that. Not calling either of you pussies, but everyone spouts off with impunity.
Yeah, no kidding. It isn't as if these clowns are posting their home phone numbers or e-mail addresses.

We got some serious hypocrites around here.

[StrayRogue]

Hey, I can take my licks. Its a judge of good character to have a disagreement OOG and still be cool IG. This bastard though... lets hope he's conscripted somewhere far away.

[Galleazzo]

Har, did my time in the Crotch already. Bet the closest you've come to combat is in K-Mart when there was a Blue Light Special on frilly pink lace undies.

[StrayRogue]

Speaky English?

[CrystalTears]

OMG let it go already. <chuckles> You guys are too much.

(By the way I mean that as a poster who's just amazed that this thread is still going, not cause I'm saying as an admin to stop.)

[Edited on 2/9/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Amaron]

WTF?

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Speaky English?
Did already. All you did was confirm something I thought about you.

:D

[SpunGirl]

This thread went from lame to lamer. Pink lace panties? WTF does that have to do with anything?

Stupid.

-K

[Mint]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
This thread went from lame to lamer. Pink lace panties? WTF does that have to do with anything?

Stupid.

-K

He does that a lot. And yes he is.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Galleazzo

Originally posted by Maimara
You're not an innocent victim, so shut it. If you think what you said above is true, then what the flaming hell does that make you?

More honest than you? (grins) Can't have it both ways. You wanna yell about hostility while slinging the flames, you want to be in favor of intellectual freedom but get the people who disagree with you to shut up, you want to bitch about prolonging threads over and over and over and over (yawn) again, and you want to scream about distortions and not get it right yourself.

Believe in what you want, but can you stick to something? Pick one, I don't care, but people who complain about the behavior of others ought t'be consistent, doncha think?

:smug:

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Galleazzo]

I kind of agree somewhat with that guy.

If you don't like being flame, don't flame others, et cetera.

[CrystalTears]

Horse is dead. Going off topic. No sense in keeping it open.