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Necromancer
11-18-2008, 05:51 PM
Why do they always try to make these things sound cool? ("Twice Exceptional", "Stealth Dyslexia", etc). The Eades (who did the research on this article) are really amazing and wrote The Mislabeled Child (mislabeledchild.com) and have done some great research into LDs and kids.

Found this really neat article by them:
When you read the word dyslexia, what's the first thing that pops into your head? If you're like most people, you'll probably think of a reading disorder. That response is understandable, considering the way dyslexia is spoken or written of by many experts. For example, in 2003 the International Dyslexia Association defined dyslexia as: "a specific learning disability...characterized by difficulties with accurate and/or fluent word recognition and by poor spelling and decoding abilities...problems in reading comprehension, and reduced reading experience..."

Yet reading difficulties are just one of the many neurologically-based manifestations of dyslexia. Dyslexia is also frequently associated with difficulties with handwriting, oral language, math, motor planning and coordination, organization, sequencing, orientation to time, focus and attention, right-left orientation, spatial perception, auditory and visual processing, eye movement control, and memory. In fact, in our practice, we often see children who are struggling academically due to difficulties that are clearly dyslexia-related, yet who show age appropriate--and in many cases even superior--reading skills. Because of their apparently strong reading skills, most of these children have never been identified as dyslexic, or given the help they needed to overcome either their academic difficulties.

We have found this to be an especially common problem among intellectually gifted children, because such children are able to use strong higher-order language skills to compensate for the low-level deficits in auditory and visual processing that cause the reading problems in dyslexia. As a result, they are able to read with relatively good comprehension. In fact, this is such a common presentation in our clinic, that we have given it it's own name: stealth dyslexia.

Children with stealth dyslexia share three things in common: 1) characteristic dyslexic difficulties with word processing and written output; 2) findings on neurological and neuropsychological testing consistent with the auditory, visual, language, and motor processing deficits characteristic of dyslexia; and, 3) reading skills that appear to fall within the normal or even superior range for children their age, at least on silent reading comprehension. In addition, many will show a family history of dyslexia, and/or a history of early reading difficulties greater than would be expected for a child with their obvious strengths in oral language. Let's look at the problems experienced by children with stealth dyslexia in a bit more detail.
The most academically disabling difficulty affecting children with stealth dyslexia is almost always dysgraphia, or difficulty writing by hand. Several factors often contribute to their difficulties with written output. First, they typically have the characteristic dyslexic difficulty turning words in their heads into signals capable of causing the motor system to form the appropriate letters needed to make words. They may lack the kinds of visual templates that can be used to form words, or be unable to translate auditory word images into the kinds of signals the motor system needs to form letters. Second, they may have spatial or sequential processing difficulties that make it difficult for them to remember how to form individual letters (resulting in oddly formed letters, reversals, inversions, and irregular spacing), or to remember what order letters or even sounds come in a word. These children are often especially hard for parents and teachers to understand, because they may have verbal IQs in the highly or profoundly gifted range and show every sign of verbal precocity, yet be unable even to write the alphabet--even as teenagers. Third, dyslexic children may have difficulties with sensory-motor dyspraxia. Motor coordination problems are common in dyslexia, and may cause difficulties with the manual aspects of handwriting even for children who are trying to copy directly from examples of printed words. Often these children experience the extreme frustration of knowing what words they want to write, while being unable to get their fingers to make the proper motions. Finally, dyslexic children often have difficulties of visual processing that can contribute to poor hand-eye coordination, or difficulty using visual feedback to guide their writing.

The severe handwriting impairment associated with these deficits produces one of stealth dyslexia's most noticeable manifestations: the characteristically enormous gap between oral and written expression. Even extremely precocious adolescents with outstanding oral language skills, remarkable knowledge bases, and extremely lively minds can produce written documents of such brevity and simplicity that they look as if they had been written by a struggling third grader. The psychic trauma that can result from this gap between aptitude and output is impossible to exaggerate.

Another tip-off to the presence of stealth dyslexia is the presence of spelling difficulties in a child's written output that are far out of character with either their general language, working memory, or attention skills. While these children are sometimes able to score within age norms on multiple-choice tests of spelling recognition, or even on weekly tests of spelling words that study carefully for, they essentially always show significant and surprising deficits when they try to spell words from memory.

The dyslexic deficits in handwriting and spelling tend to be more persistent and resistant to treatment than the reading deficits. It's important that children with dyslexic dysgraphia be identified as early as possible so that they can be given appropriate handwriting interventions, and so that they can begin as early as possible to develop proficiency in keyboarding. Keyboarding should become their primary means of written expression for as much schoolwork as possible--in many cases, for math as well as language output.
In addition to difficulties with written expression and spelling, children with stealth dyslexia often show persistent, though subtle, difficulties with reading. Despite the appearance of age-appropriate reading comprehension on routine classroom assignments or even standardized tests, careful examination of oral reading skills almost always reveals persistent difficulties with word-for-word reading. Though often subtle, these deficits, which usually result in subtle word substitutions or word skips, can result in significant functional problems, especially on tests. We frequently see children who consistently show good comprehension reading lengthy passages or even long books, yet who significantly underperform or even fail written tests of reading comprehension because they have difficulty reading short test questions or multiple choice answers.

This seemingly paradoxical difficulty reading short passages can be better understood by considering the nature of the reading difficulties children with stealth dyslexia usually have. As we've mentioned, these children typically show difficulties on the word-by-word reading level, including word skips or occasionally substitutions due to misreading. When they read longer passages, these children are often able to use their excellent higher-order language skills to fill in or correct errors in word reading, drawing on the redundancy and contextual cues that are usually available in longer passages. However, as reading passages get shorter, they contain fewer contextual cues, less redundant content, and often, more condensed syntax. As a result, there will be fewer means of correcting individual word errors, so the likelihood of errors actually increases as passages decrease in length. Unfortunately, there are few types of writing that are more brief, non-contextual, low-redundancy, and condensed than test questions or multiple-choice answers. On such passages, a single missed word--especially conditionals like "not" or "except," or comparatives like "before" or "since"--can yield catastrophic results, and there will be few cues available to show that an error has been made. As a result, children with stealth dyslexia often make "silly mistakes," responding in ways quite different from the way they would have answered had they correctly interpreted the question or answer choices. The same kinds of problems are often seen in math work, as well.

Although these mistakes typically result in underperformance, the 2e child with stealth dyslexia may be able to compensate well enough to avoid actual failure, especially during the early elementary years. As a result, they may not be correctly identified as having dyslexia or any other learning challenge, and appropriate interventions may not be provided. This frustrating pattern will be all too familiar to anyone familiar with 2e children: impairments severe enough to significantly impair learning and school performance, but not severe enough to be recognized or to qualify for appropriate services or accommodations. Like many 2e children, gifted stealth dyslexics often "fall between the cracks," so that the nature of their problem goes unrecognized.

Typically, the children we see with stealth dyslexia struggle through elementary school performing well below their potential, often making superhuman efforts just to keep up. When they meet the heavier writing demands (and sometimes also the more complicated reading assignments) in middle and high school, they frequently find that they are no longer able to keep up. A downward spiral of failure and despair is often the result. This outcome is completely unnecessary. With early identification and appropriate interventions, these children can be equipped to gain all the knowledge and success of which their powerful minds make them capable.

Side note: this is actually very much what happened to me in elementary school. My reading on standardized tests was always below grade level, but I could compensate enough so that it wasn't a full 2 SDs below (the requirement at my school to be considered learning disabled) . Meanwhile I couldn't spell my own last name until 4th grade or so and flunked handwriting and basic writing all through elementary school. But I was verbally gifted (on IQ tests) so they instead focused on that and ignored my obvious deficits- I was "bright but lazy".

My sister (and mother actually- though mom was more on the verbally apt side) was the exact opposite- she was the standard "spatially gifted" dyslexic. They caught on to her reading/writing/spelling problems quickly and threw her into special education and considered her to be "below average" intelligence. Of course, we knew better. And the "specialists" at school completely ignored some of her gifted level IQ scores (in spatial reasoning) and focused on her deficits instead.

Anyone out there with kids who are LD? Have things gotten better would you say?

Gnomad
11-18-2008, 06:30 PM
Found this really neat article by them: bro i know this is a little web2.0 but these days we've invented things called hyperlinks

they let you link to another page so you don't dump a shitty wall of text nobody wants to read

Stretch
11-18-2008, 06:37 PM
I heard that chicken breast cures dyslexia

Drisco
11-18-2008, 08:59 PM
Me and dyslexia hooked up for a bit, I broke it off though.

Necromancer
11-19-2008, 12:27 AM
I tried, but he's stalking me still.

Necromancer
11-19-2008, 12:28 AM
bro i know this is a little web2.0 but these days we've invented things called hyperlinks

they let you link to another page so you don't dump a shitty wall of text nobody wants to read

Yeah, totally. Because if I had added a hyperlink, then people could have clicked on the link and read....a wall of text.

I see how this would have been substantially different.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
11-19-2008, 12:31 AM
You should stick to raving hysterics about our fucking president elect (paraphrased).

Moist Happenings
11-19-2008, 12:33 AM
I dated an indecisive insomniac dyslexic athiest once. She stayed up all night wondering if there really was a dog.

Skeeter
11-19-2008, 12:35 AM
I used to be dyslexic. Thank better I'm god now.

GS4_HappyTimez
11-19-2008, 12:48 AM
It's like they're trying to create new wah-wah-wah disorders for people to claim they have. Why can't we just call a retard a retard anymore?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
11-19-2008, 01:03 AM
Interesting article. My brother struggled with dyslexia but never told anyone until he got into his teenage years. He did sort of the same thing by overcompensating in other areas and just doing his best to keep up.

Honestly though, I'm glad to see better refinement and classification (and sub classification) of disorders. Even if it means there are "more" that doesn't make it inherently bad, IMO. Having too general of criteria for diagnosis for a problem means greater likelihood people with more unique symptoms go undiagnosed and don't receive help that would drastically make their lives better. I understand people don't think every little hiccup of the human condition should be diagnosed and labeled as a disorder or disability, but bitching about further research and labeling that mostly helps those who are already suffering is short sighted and retarded.

Furrowfoot
11-19-2008, 01:09 AM
I understand people don't think every little hiccup of the human condition should be diagnosed and labeled as a disorder or disability, but bitching about further research and labeling that mostly helps those who are already suffering is short sighted and retarded.

Or they're just suffering from a case of acute hyper-antilabeling of disorders disorder.

Proxy
11-19-2008, 01:36 AM
I didn't find out I had dyslexia until I was 23. spent most of my childhood on meds for ADD/ADHD, and a few other BS things. All in all I spent over a decade (ages 6-18) as little more then an inert meat pop-sickle. Now I'm trying to sew the shit out of the various "specialists" that my parents took me to for malpractice.

And people wonder why I "seem" so "angry."

diethx
11-19-2008, 01:37 AM
I didn't find out I had dyslexia until I was 23. spend most of my childhood on meds for ADD/ADHD, and a few other BS things. All in all I spent over a decade (ages 6-18) as little more then an inert meat pop-sickle. Now I'm trying to sew the shit out of the various "specialists" that my parents took me to for malpractice.

And people wonder why I "seem" so "angry."

Maybe you didn't tip them well enough!!!11111

Proxy
11-19-2008, 01:44 AM
I'm sure a shrink would say that my cheapness would stim from this. Basically, Since I know I'm getting screwed for X service, I just don't know how yet. Why should I give them anything more then a token gesture if even that.

"2 pennies in a piece of half eat pie sends a better message then no tip at all."

Necromancer
11-19-2008, 02:49 AM
Yeah, I wasn't diagnosed with either ADHD or dyslexia until 25. Created a nasty anxiety disorder from years of trying to deal with both but not really understanding what was going on. Ironically, in the end treating the ADHD is what treated the anxiety- because when I'm treated I'm functional. Actual anxiety medication made the anxiety WAY worse because they were trying to correct an imbalance that wasn't there.

I totally agree with Narcissia that it's great that they're doing work to figure out all of the ways in which a person can have learning problems instead of lumping everyone into one or two categories. And particularly when it comes to gifted-LD students it's a godsend. For so long you've been either one or the other- never both. So my sister was LD with no giftedness (because spatial intelligence is undervalued in most schools), and I was gifted with no LDs (because verbal intelligence is overvalued).

A lot of our definitions of learning disabilities and giftedness are so limited in scope, so lacking in refinement that a lot of people who need help are excluded. For my sister it was being denied an education that could help her develop her giftedness while dealing with her learning disabilities, and so she spent her entire life feeling that she was stupid instead of being able to recognize her talents. For me it was being denied help to deal with the learning disabilities that were keeping me from reaching my full potential in school, ending up with me spending my education constantly feeling like a big poser- like any moment they were all going to find out that I was secretly stupid and didn't belong in the honors/AP track.

Tisket
11-19-2008, 02:51 AM
Why can't we just call a retard a retard anymore?

Okay. Retard.

Yes, I beat to the drum of a different march.