Sleeping

[Solkern]

Ok, can someone explaing to me

how you can miss a sleeping critter?
or how a sleeping critter avoids an attack, while sleeping?

[Bokertal]

^ I'd like to know as well.

Prone, stunned critter evades my ambush?

[Jorddyn]

how you can miss a sleeping critter?

Ever swing a golf club and miss the ball? It's like that.



or how a sleeping critter avoids an attack, while sleeping?

Ever roll over in your sleep?



Prone, stunned critter evades my ambush?

They've been sneaking into the rogue's guild for lessons.

Honestly though, I don't know why any of that happens (shy of uber "you trip over your feet and stab yourself in the throat" fumble).

[Solkern]

Aulis grins.
>'hi
You say, "Hi."
>
Aulis says, "Afternoon."

You say, "Just a small question."
>
Aulis says, "Surely."
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You say, "How does a sleeping mob...avoid an attack..."
>
Aulis says, "Ah."

You say, "It makes no sense, how it's even possible, i'd like to know."
>
Aulis says, "With attacking it, you're waking it up in the process of the attack."
>'no..
You say, "No.."

You say, "You'd wake it up, when you hit it.."

You say, "How do i wake it up, before my weapon strikes..."
>chat to jespin yeah give me a few mins
You focus on transmitting your thought.
Aulis says, "But attacking it you're being loud enough with the attack itself that it wakes the creature up."
?
You ask, "What's loud about swinging a weapon?"
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Aulis says, "Lots of possibilities."

You ask, "Such as?"

You say, "In RL, i've hit alot of friends while sleeping.."

Aulis says, "Movement of the feet to get close enough to hit it, for one."
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You say, "Nothing wakes them up right before the attack.."
>
You feel fully energetic again.
>
Aulis asks, "Have you ever tried to get close to someone sleeping and they sleep so lightly they hear you before you get close enough though?"

You say, "According to the spell."
>
Fortitude Song (1003) starts for 3m 43s. [+10DS]
Kai's Triumph Song (1007) starts for 3m 43s. [+17AS]
Your songs renew.

You say, "I put them in a "deep" slumber."
.
You say, "I don't consider that lightly sleeping.."
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Aulis says, "But according to the messaging when attacking, you're doing whatever loud it that it wakes the creature up in the process."
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A dark shambler just arrived.
>se
[Upper Trollfang, Sentoph]
A chilly breeze whips around the mountainside, frigid gusts finding every chink in your armor and clothing. You start to daydream about hot fires and hot blankets and hot food and hot baths.
Obvious paths: northeast, northwest
Aulis followed.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>'it still makes no sense
You say, "It still makes no sense."
>'even if I did wake them...
You say, "Even if I did wake them..."

You say, "How is it possible, they can even avoid the attack.."

You say, "Oh well, i'll post this on the offical boards and see what they say."

You say, "I don't agree with this theory."
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Aulis says, "They're awake enough they have some mental abilities in their dazed state."
>
You've gained 1 mental training point.
(To use these new points, type GOALS and adjust your skills.)
>scra my head
You work your fingers under your blue felt hat and scratch your head.

You say, "Now, that makes no sense, someonen that is a deep slumber.."

You ask, "Is awake enough?"
>
A dark shambler just arrived.
>nw
[Upper Trollfang, Sentoph]
Dust devils whirl about in the shrieking wind, whipping across the stones and through your clothing. A treacherous path winds its way around the mountain and a steep trail heads up the mountainside, neither way looking particularly easy. You also see a twohanded sword, a visored helm, a visored helm and some cuirbouilli leather.
Obvious paths: southeast, northwest
Aulis followed.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>
You sense that your attunement to the minds of others is fading, and that it will cease in about a minute.
>
A dark shambler just arrived.
>se
[Upper Trollfang, Sentoph]
A chilly breeze whips around the mountainside, frigid gusts finding every chink in your armor and clothing. You start to daydream about hot fires and hot blankets and hot food and hot baths.
Obvious paths: northeast, northwest
Aulis followed.
>rub am
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>
You rub your crystal amulet.
The distant thoughts in your mind feel stronger.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
Aulis says, "They're awake enough from awakening from the attack."

You say, "Mhmmm."

You say, "I'll just post this on the officals..thank you for your tiime."
>
Aulis says, "It is one of those things you have to add in the RP process yourself."
>
A dark shambler just arrived.
>nw
[Upper Trollfang, Sentoph]
Dust devils whirl about in the shrieking wind, whipping across the stones and through your clothing. A treacherous path winds its way around the mountain and a steep trail heads up the mountainside, neither way looking particularly easy. You also see a twohanded sword, a visored helm and some cuirbouilli leather.
Obvious paths: southeast, northwest
Aulis followed.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.

You say, "So how do I RP."

You say, "I tiptoe to the mob."

You say, "Being as silent as possible."

You say, "And attack."
>
Fortitude Song (1003) starts for 3m 43s. [+10DS]
Kai's Triumph Song (1007) starts for 3m 43s. [+17AS]
Your songs renew.
>l
[Upper Trollfang, Sentoph]
Dust devils whirl about in the shrieking wind, whipping across the stones and through your clothing. A treacherous path winds its way around the mountain and a steep trail heads up the mountainside, neither way looking particularly easy. You also see the Solkivain disk, a twohanded sword, a visored helm and some cuirbouilli leather.
Also here: GameHost Aulis
Obvious paths: southeast, northwest
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Aulis says, "Not all things can be fully explained in detail in the messaging, especially when it comes to a mechanical reason. Otherwise you would have the screen scrolling just from one attack in combat."
>nod
You nod.

You say, "I'll just post this and get other players insights."

You say, "And see what they say."
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Aulis says, "I'm afraid it just one of those things you have to create the situation and possible reasons why in your own head to explain it to yourself."
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Aulis says, "And go by that the messaging states the creature is awakened by the attack itself."

You say, "I would think the actual "hit"."

You say, "Awake the critter."
>'I don't see how someone walking around, when someone is in a deep slumbler, wakes them up
You say, "I don't see how someone walking around, when someone is in a deep slumbler, wakes them up."
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Aulis says, "But we're talking about creatures. Creatures have a much more heightened sense of perception than the average person in RL."
>
Aulis nods to you.

You ask, "According to who?"
>'I've seen it done with other players...
You say, "I've seen it done with other players..."

You say, "So that makes no sense either.."
>
Fortitude Song (1003) starts for 3m 43s. [+10DS]
Kai's Triumph Song (1007) starts for 3m 43s. [+17AS]
Your songs renew.
>
Aulis says, "According to it is a fantasy world. Everything here is "more than average" than a local regular citizen of town."
>nod aul
You nod to Aulis.

You say, "I'll just poston the forums."
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Aulis says, "Your character is an adventurer, and not just a "regular citizen"."

You say, "Thank you for your time."
>bow aul
You bow to Aulis.
>
Aulis says, "I hope I was able to explain well enough. At least the reasons in my head, and various ones I've heard over the years from players and GM's alike."
>nod aul
You nod to Aulis.
>'i'll just make a post
You say, "I'll just make a post."
>'thanks again
You say, "Thanks again."

[Solkern]

Ever swing a golf club and miss the ball? It's like that.



Ever roll over in your sleep?


explain to me, how swinging a golf club at a ball

is the same as swinging a maul, and a 400 pound TITAN?

[Jorddyn]

Honestly though, I don't know why any of that happens (shy of uber "you trip over your feet and stab yourself in the throat" fumble).



explain to me, how swinging a golf club at a ball
is the same as swinging a maul, and a 400 pound TITAN?

I don't think it is. You asked for explanation of how it could happen, I gave the best I could come up, along with stating I didn't think it was right that it happened.

[nub]

Were you threatening him or trying to get him to respond to you by telling him you were going to post on the officials, because you told him about 4x.

Just wondering, not hating.

[Solkern]

No, because I thought his reason was bullshit, and I was trying to end the conversation, and get other opinions.
and i was in the middle of a hunt :)

and even with the RP aspect the GM mentioned, you can sleep/stomp your feet/yell at a mob, and it doesn't wake them up...

[nub]

No, because I thought his reason was bullshit, and I was trying to end the conversation, and get other opinions.
and i was in the middle of a hunt :)

Heh, yeah noticed, you kept running from the shamblers.

Also, you started playing again?

[Solkern]

Yeah, thought I'd try out a bard, while i have alot of free time atm.

[CrystalTears]

Why is his reason bullshit? Because you don't agree with it?

Some of the hunting mechanics don't "make sense" on general principle. Why would you be able to always miss something just because it's of a higher level, even when it ends up stunned or lying down?

Creatures do have better senses than the rest of us, so there's nothing saying that something with heightened senses and/or light sleepers can't hear you coming before you actually strike.

You fumbled. BFD.

[Solkern]

Why is his reason bullshit? Because you don't agree with it?

Some of the hunting mechanics don't "make sense" on general principle. Why would you be able to always miss something just because it's of a higher level, even when it ends up stunned or lying down?

Creatures do have better senses than the rest of us, so there's nothing saying that something with heightened senses and/or light sleepers can't hear you coming before you actually strike.

You fumbled. BFD.

Yes, I thought his reason was bullshit, and that's my opinion.
His reason could be how to explain things, but it still makes no sense to me

and I've seen sleeping players avoid attacks..

[CrystalTears]

What have they said on the officials?

[Solkern]

I'm going to post there shortly.

[Nieninque]

You make it sound like hunting in GS is difficult.

[Atlanteax]

L2 play a Bard w/o the ability to sleep making or breaking your limited capacity to "hunt" ?

[Solkern]

This doesn't effect how i'm playing a bard, I just wanted to know how a sleeping critter saw an incoming attack

[RichardCranium]

The flip-side to the GM's assessment is that this isn't an ordinary sleep. It's magically induced, therefore I would think the effects would not allow whatever it is that's asleep to "hear" anything. What good is a magic sleep spell that doesn't put something to sleep and keep it that way?

[Kembal]

Um, is Aulis a GM or a GH? Because whatever a GH says isn't exactly official in terms of this type of a question.

[Solkern]

GH

[Tea & Strumpets]

Um, is Aulis a GM or a GH? Because whatever a GH says isn't exactly official in terms of this type of a question.

Yeah, GH's aren't there to explain/justify game mechanics to you.

[SolitareConfinement]

it doesn't matter, they wont explain it in a way that makes sense. because i had such a beef i asked on the officials different situation but still made no sense. my problem was dying in the tower and decaying still impregnated by a moulis after a decay....now if it wasn't a pain in the ass enough decaying and dealing with deaths sting but i had to go outside the gates to wait to die again. so by the messaging it says your body decays into compost...well how the fuck do you still have a moulis in you?

now one can argue it goes with the clothing system with death that they had to change because of "body snatchers" back in the day but the GMs only explained it was magic...thats all so i knew at that point if there is any bullshit in a mechanic as such, they wont change or back up reasoning for the way it is

[AnticorRifling]

This doesn't effect how i'm playing a bard, I just wanted to know how a sleeping critter saw an incoming attack The same way my mage could make a fist of stone grab shit, it's a game.

[Moist Happenings]

Q. How come something asleep can dodge you sometimes?
A. Because it's a game.

Q. Why aren't the townspeople teaching their children not to run away, instead counting on the Adventurer's guild to just find the masses that run off to the most dangerous places in Elanthia?
A. Because it's a game.

Q. How come I can carry 5 million pounds of silvers and still walk, provided someone gave them to me while I was standing up?
A. Because it's a game.

Q. How come I never have to pee, eat, or drink?
A. Because it's a game.

Are you getting the general idea of the point I'm trying to make yet? I can expand the list.

[AMUSED1]

LOL. Way to run off and hide when you don't agree with valid reasons. You do realize you're playing a FANTASY GAME, right?

[Izzy]

LOL. Way to run off and hide when you don't agree with valid reasons. You do realize you're playing a FANTASY GAME, right?

I don't actually think anyone has made a valid in-game reason why something that is asleep or stunned should be able to dodge an attack from a skilled character...but, as has been pointed out sufficiently, it's just a game so there doesn't have to be a valid reason.

[Bokertal]

I don't actually think anyone has made a valid in-game reason why something that is asleep or stunned should be able to dodge an attack from a skilled character...but, as has been pointed out sufficiently, it's just a game so there doesn't have to be a valid reason.

^

Agreed, yes to everyone that says it's just a game. It's also just a game that many of us have been playing for years, god I don't even want to think about it in terms of hours. Spent thousands of dollars playing, made sacrifices to play just a game. Please forgive me if I tend to lost in the game, especially when hunting and get pissed when something stupid like a limbless stunned critter evades my ambush and it jerks me back to my fucked up reality.

Anyone that does not understand where I'm coming from don't bother responding, you get it or you don't.