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Atlanteax
10-03-2008, 02:31 PM
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article4874657.ece

Boy, 7, goes on killing spree in zoo, feeding reptiles to crocodile

An “expressionless” seven-year-old boy broke into a zoo, bludgeoned to death giant lizards and fed them – and other live animals - to a crocodile named Terry in Outback Australia this week.

Zookeepers were horrified when they arrived at work on Wednesday morning to see Terry, an 11-foot long saltwater crocodile, feasting on his fellow showcase reptilians at the Alice Springs Reptile Centre in the Northern Territory.

At first they thought the animals, including the zoo’s favourite, metre-long, 20-year-old goanna, had escaped from their outdoor pens and accidentally become breakfast for Terry - the local zoo’s prize attraction.

But further investigation uncovered CCTV footage of the local boy’s horrific 35-minute killing spree which began when he scaled the fence of the zoo, located in the centre of Alice Springs, a popular tourist destination town in central Australia, just before 8am on Wednesday morning.

The blank-faced boy, who had evaded security cameras because of his slight size, then began his deadly rampage, smashing rocks on the heads of the reptiles and throwing them and other live animals into the crocodile enclosure, according to the zoo’s director Rex Neindorf.

The boy killed 13 animals in total, including a large turtle, bearded dragons, goannas and lizards including Thorny Devils and Western Blue tongues, which are hard to find in captivity.

“It’s absolutely devastating for us, we’re just horrified,” Mr Neindorf told Times Online today.

“The goanna was 20 years old, she was an absolute doll.”

The boy was so brazen he even climbed over an outer fence to get a closer look at the action.

“He was lucky because if he got in there with the goanna, she would have torn him to pieces,” Mr Neindorf said.

Police were called and questioned the boy, who comes from a family well known in the local area, but because of his age they are unable to do anything. According to Northern Territory law, children under 10 are not liable for criminal offences.

“I thought for the sheer consequences of what he did that there would have to be some severe punishment, but he’s only seven, they can’t do anything to kids under 10,” Mr Neindorf said.

“We’re going to see what we can do, maybe try and sue the family in the civil court, we’ll look down that avenue.”

According to Mr Neindorf, the “nasty” boy’s brother was part of a group who attacked Terry the crocodile about five years ago.

He said they often get kids trying to throw rocks at the animal enclosures from a nearby hill, but this incident is the worst that has happened in the history of the zoo.

“He will just get worse and worse and worse, by the time he’s 10 he will be a hardened criminal,” Mr Neindorf said of the boy.

The Alice Springs Reptile Centre is in central Australia, almost 300 miles from Uluru (Ayres Rock), and has 200 animals on display, including Perentie Goanna, Frill Neck Lizards, Thorny Devils, pythons, taipans and death adders, and, of course, Terry, the 440-pound salt-water crocodile.

Earlier this week Scottish-born Vietnam veteran Arthur Booker disappeared while camping in a remote part of north-eastern Queensland. A three-day search uncovered nothing but his sandals and wrist watch. He is thought to have been taken by a salt-water crocodile.

AnticorRifling
10-03-2008, 02:48 PM
What the hell does the last blurb have to do with anything?

Also this kid should be fed to the luggage with teeth.

Methais
10-03-2008, 03:08 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/beatkid1.jpg

NocturnalRob
10-03-2008, 03:28 PM
Methais, don't post the fucking picture and not the link to the specific article...making me sift through shit and stuff...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

Methais
10-03-2008, 03:28 PM
O SRY!

Actually after reading it again, it's too epic to not post here:

This article is too epic to not post here.




How come everyone today is too much of a pussy to smack their kids around? That's what I want to know: why are parents afraid to beat their kids? When I was a kid and I screwed up, my parents beat my ass. We didn't have a conversation about it. I didn't have a "time out." In fact, I've never even once been grounded in my life. What's the point? Send your kid to his room and make him play video games and read comic books all day? Great idea, why don't you take him to a psychiatrist while you're at it so she can pull some disorder out of her ass to hide the fact that you're a bad parent?

Kids today need a good beating every now and then. If you don't beat your kids when they fall out of line, the next thing you know your son will go off and bang some dude in the ass just out of spite. You tell them to clean their room, they say "no," you smack them. It's simple; it works. Don't listen to these assholes on TV with their bullshit hippy psycho babble; if they had it their way, every child would be raised in a pastel colored room with Philip Glass pumped through the speakers 24 hours a day. Then again, it might not be all that bad because it will make your kids complacent, so it won't be as hard for them to swallow when they realize that they'll be spending the rest of their lives chained to a desk in a cubicle writing reports to make someone else rich.

The problem is that kids today think their opinions matter. By not beating your kids, they get a skewed perspective of reality where they start thinking that they have it rough and that they can get away with dying their hair and listening to Insane Clown Posse. That's where you need to come in and put the law down. To help you, the negligent parent, I've put together a guide to smacking your kids for your convenience (hint: you may want to even print this guide up and hang it on your fridge as a reminder to both you and your kids). Here are some useful techniques:

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# Five across the eyes
Five across the eyes. This is a very basic maneuver and usually enough to cover most situations when your child is out of line. Simply put four fingers tightly together and either leave the thumb off to the side or fold it behind the other four fingers. Then smack your kid across the face with the back of your hand. Now this is the tricky part: make sure to snap your wrist just before contact otherwise you won't get a stinging effect. Very important because you don't want to risk letting your kid think you're a pussy.

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The sucker punch. Just ask the question "hey, what's that on your shirt?" and when they look down, bust their lip. You need to do this every now and then to keep them guessing. Don't ever let them off the hook. Just because they're not doing anything wrong doesn't mean that they didn't do something wrong earlier that you weren't aware of.

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The yard stick. Or for those of you who don't use the arbitrary American system, this is also known as "the meter stick." This is a good general purpose beating because the stick usually doesn't last beyond three or four good whacks--usually enough to send the message.

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The one-two shut-the-hell-up. This is priceless when you're shopping and your kid won't shut the hell up: "I'm hungry, I want toys, I need my Insulin..." etc. First smack your kid (the 5 across the eyes technique works). Wait a few seconds for your kid to start crying, then smack your kid again to let him know that you mean business. This usually shuts them up because they see that the amount of crying is proportional to the amount of beatings.

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The 2 x 4 / PVC pipe. If you do your job as a parent, this should never have to be administered. This is for heavy duty jobs only (ie. any time your kid comes home and begins a sentence with "she might be pregnant..." or "I can _____ if I want to..." where the blank can be any of the following: smoke, have sex, experiment with drugs, watch Oprah, etc). Usually the threat of this beating is enough to keep your kid from screwing up.

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The Dragon Kick. If you're interested in a permanent solution to your child giving you lip about washing the dishes, cleaning his or her room or filing your tax return, then the Dragon kick might be the technique for you. I guarantee that you will only have to ask once after the Dragon kick has been administered.

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The skull thump. A quick blow usually dealt to the side or back of the head. Simply flick them in the head with your finger. An alternative is to smack your child up side the head with your palm. Very useful for teaching your child to read when he or she makes a mistake. Hitting your child when he or she is learning builds confidence, or undermines confidence--I can't remember which.

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The one-handed chauffeur reach around. A quick reach around while you're driving to smack your kid and his friends too if they disrespect. Swerve the car back and forth for the full effect.

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The cane intercept. If you're too old to chase your kid around the house, use the handle of your cane to trip him if he tries to get away. When he gets up, poke him in the head a few times to let him know who's boss.

There you have it. Use these basic techniques to discipline your child if you want him or her to turn out to be a success story like me. Here's how to tell if you've fulfilled your obligations as a parent:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/beatkid4.jpg

Remember: never take shit from your kids. You make payments on the house, utilities, their clothes, school, and their food. You own them. If they don't like it, they can move out. If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots.

1,795,498 people don't know the difference between discipline and child abuse.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 03:33 PM
fucking 7 years old...

I get hit in the head but I doubt mine would hit an animal in the head with a rock. Lil priss.

However she can shoot a 3 inch group at 30 yards when she was 6 years old which ain't bad for a start. Thinking back I should have let her start with the Marlin .22 and not the 30/30

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 03:50 PM
You know, the sad part about this is, I know my kid if he could, he would do this.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-03-2008, 03:58 PM
I'm a firm believer that inability to have empathy for animals easily translates to inability to have empathy for humans.

The kid is fucking sick, 7 years old or not.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 04:01 PM
I'm a firm believer that inability to have empathy for animals easily translates to inability to have empathy for humans.

The kid is fucking sick, 7 years old or not.

Right, well boys like that sort of thing, my kid loves to watch when mice get eaten by my friend's pet snake. So really, I wouldn't say it's sick, but kids (especially boys) love it. I'm not justifying what this kid did, I'm more kind of disturbed by the fact that his f'ing parents weren't around to stop it.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 04:04 PM
My eldest daughter is a nature freak and likes to catch lizards and crickets to feed to her turtle.. although she may be a sociopath at this point with all the fighting that seeps over into their world.

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 04:10 PM
What the hell does the last blurb have to do with anything?


That was a bit odd.

Some Rogue
10-03-2008, 04:22 PM
Fuckin crocs will eat anything was their point I guess?

Some Rogue
10-03-2008, 04:23 PM
and um...Crikey!

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 04:27 PM
He should have added a second goofy ending paragraph, and said, "Oh by the way, coincidentally today was my nephew's seventh birthday. One of his gifts was a watch."

DeV
10-03-2008, 04:29 PM
First his brother, now him. The parent's need to be smashed over the head with a rock.

Morrff
10-03-2008, 04:31 PM
Beating your child does not effect this type of person, it only hardens them in most cases.

I agree with Narc, it's a trait that can be learned with time but is more commonly inherently known.

Kyra231
10-03-2008, 04:44 PM
Right, well boys like that sort of thing, my kid loves to watch when mice get eaten by my friend's pet snake. So really, I wouldn't say it's sick, but kids (especially boys) love it. I'm not justifying what this kid did, I'm more kind of disturbed by the fact that his f'ing parents weren't around to stop it.

Mmm not all boys, my step son would have been horrified, he's a huge animal lover(and he's 7), he didn't even want to watch my snake eat.

Kyra231
10-03-2008, 04:44 PM
First his brother, now him. The parent's need to be smashed over the head with a rock.

And the genitals to insure no more reproduction, sounds like they've done enough damage.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 04:48 PM
Mmm not all boys, my step son would have been horrified, he's a huge animal lover(and he's 7), he didn't even want to watch my snake eat.

Sorry I have one boy and three soon to be step sons (5,7,9), they love that kind of thing. Not saying all boys :), I know my cousin's son would totally freak out at it.

Numbers
10-03-2008, 04:55 PM
First sign of a serial killer. That kid's seriously fucked up, and needs to be put under supervision immediately. Every 7 year old should know well enough not to start bludgeoning animals to death and feeding them to a crocodile, or to throw live animals to a crocodile.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 05:04 PM
First sign of a serial killer. That kid's seriously fucked up, and needs to be put under supervision immediately. Every 7 year old should know well enough not to start bludgeoning animals to death and feeding them to a crocodile, or to throw live animals to a crocodile.

It can be, if you look at Jeffery Dahmer, he used to kill neighborhood pets, nail frogs to trees. Instead of trying to charge him for something, the authorities should be looking at the parents (and asking them WTF is your problem? Your kid shouldn't be out at night, LOCK UP THE WINDOWS AND DOORS.). If it isn't his home life, then the kid needs some serious medical help.

DCSL
10-03-2008, 05:27 PM
Children can be utter monstrous little beasts. When I was.. somewhere under ten, my best friend's older sister threw her new kitten up into a ceiling fan. Yeah, it died. Caught on one of the fan blades and slammed into the wall. Last I heard of her, she'd just made it onto the police force in Killeen, Texas. I was vaguely disturbed.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 05:31 PM
Oh let's keep this in perspective.

Between ages 6-10 I was paid by the woodchuck. I sat in a stable all day with a 30/30 and popped them for $5 a head and this was before cell phones or DS's.

Doesn't mean I'm a serial killer.

DeV
10-03-2008, 05:35 PM
Doesn't mean I'm a serial killer.Paid killer. You had some real motivation there, babe. Big difference.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-03-2008, 05:37 PM
Paid killer. You had some real motivation there, babe. Big difference.

QFT.

It's not like you were just killing them because you enjoyed seeing them die.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 05:37 PM
Oh let's keep this in perspective.

Between ages 6-10 I was paid by the woodchuck. I sat in a stable all day with a 30/30 and popped them for $5 a head and this was before cell phones or DS's.

Doesn't mean I'm a serial killer.


No it doesn't, I mean like there are more tell-tale signs to being a serial killer, repeated acts like this done out of sheer sick fascination might, it depends more on his whole personality.

The kid is seven, I can easily see my kid doing something like this (seeing a big crocodile eat little animals, he'd think that was the most awesome thing ever, it's why animal planet and the discovery channel are big hits in the house.). I think the problem lies more with the parents in this case, they stated his older brother was also mistreating animals. The parents, I think are at fault for this and not keeping their kids in line and letting them know it's not okay to do that, especially because it's dangerous.

thefarmer
10-03-2008, 05:37 PM
Oh let's keep this in perspective.

Between ages 6-10 I was paid by the woodchuck. I sat in a stable all day with a 30/30 and popped them for $5 a head and this was before cell phones or DS's.

Doesn't mean I'm a serial killer..... Yet.

Fixed

Kyra231
10-03-2008, 05:54 PM
No it doesn't, I mean like there are more tell-tale signs to being a serial killer, repeated acts like this done out of sheer sick fascination might, it depends more on his whole personality.

The kid is seven, I can easily see my kid doing something like this (seeing a big crocodile eat little animals, he'd think that was the most awesome thing ever, it's why animal planet and the discovery channel are big hits in the house.). I think the problem lies more with the parents in this case, they stated his older brother was also mistreating animals. The parents, I think are at fault for this and not keeping their kids in line and letting them know it's not okay to do that, especially because it's dangerous.

You could see your kid bludgeoning them to death first? Seriously?

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 05:57 PM
You could see your kid bludgeoning them to death first? Seriously?


No, I don't see my child bludgeoning them to death, but throwing critters to the hungry croc, yes.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 05:58 PM
I used to sit on the edge of a 60 foot train tressel straddling a single railroad tie with a .22 or a pellet rifle reading a book and shoot the water moccasins that crossed the creek below as they neared my fishing hole as well.

No compensation but motivation none the less. My point is where does all this shrink shit come into effect besides where they want it to? Where does the line get drawn?

(yes I'm a superb rifleman)

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 06:01 PM
I used to sit on the edge of a 60 foot train tressel straddling a single railroad tie with a .22 or a pellet rifle reading a book and shoot the water moccasins that crossed the creek below as they neared my fishing hole as well.

No compensation but motivation none the less. My point is where does all this shrink shit come into effect besides where they want it to? Where does the line get drawn?

(yes I'm a superb rifleman)


My younger cousins got bb guns for christmas one year and were shooting at anything that moved, including eachother. Now one is studying to be a dentist and the other is in the navy.

Honestly, I don't know if the kid is psychotic but kids will do this stuff.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 06:03 PM
Boys will be boys.

I've got a nice BB still lodged behind my left knee from bb gun wars.

diethx
10-03-2008, 06:04 PM
This situation does not equal boys will be boys. He took creatures that were up to 3 feet long, bashed their heads in with rocks, and then watched emotionlessly as he fed them to a croc. This is a serial killer in the making.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 06:06 PM
I can't judge from a third person perspective. I'm not certain how anyone really could especially when we're talking about media sensationalism.

DeV
10-03-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't buy it. I had a bb gun as a kid and used to raise all kind of hell with my brothers. I don't blame the kid though, I blame the parents. If he was a teenager or grown man(Michael Vic anyone?), we'd be singing a different song and dance. Just my opinion though.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 06:13 PM
I don't buy it. I had a bb gun as a kid and used to raise all kind of hell with my brothers. I don't blame the kid though, I blame the parents. If he was a teenager or grown man(Michael Vic anyone?), we'd be singing a different song and dance. Just my opinion though.

Agreed.

Xeromist
10-03-2008, 06:30 PM
This situation does not equal boys will be boys. He took creatures that were up to 3 feet long, bashed their heads in with rocks, and then watched emotionlessly as he fed them to a croc. This is a serial killer in the making.

The degree and severity of what he did is a big red flag. It's not necessarily a guarantee, but this behavior is something found commonplace when you take a look at many serial killers' childhoods.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-03-2008, 06:43 PM
The degree and severity of what he did is a big red flag. It's not necessarily a guarantee, but this behavior is something found commonplace when you take a look at many serial killers' childhoods.

Yeah.. that's my perspective. It's not just one part but the combination of behaviors and the degree that is alarming.

I used to have an airsoft pistol and would shoot my brothers with it all the time (I got shot at back, too).. I've also gone hunting and killed other creatures, I've broken a chicken's neck and helped my grandmother prepare it, and I know how to clean a fish.

I guess I just think framed in the overall picture what the kid did is not "normal". I do think his parents need to be held responsible though, due to his age and other factors. The fact that his brother has similar behavior leads me to believe the parents are not really instilling a good value system regarding other life. I come from a gun enthusiast family and learned early on where food comes from, all about the food chain, etc, but my family always drew clear lines to distinguish what's appropriate and what's not.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 06:55 PM
my family always drew clear lines to distinguish what's appropriate and what's not.


Agreed, I don't think that is happening here with these kids. I let my son know that certain things aren't tolerated, mistreating people and animals is in the top three, along with you never go anywhere without a parent and no going outside after dark unless with a parent. Which doesn't seem to be happening in their household.

When I say I can see my kid doing this, yes, I can. Would he? No because he knows I'd find out, I always find out, one way or another he'll be busted for not following the rules I lay down. He knows this, he knows there are boundaries and lines not to be crossed.

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 07:00 PM
One time I let my dog out when I was around 16 years old. He went by a tree in our back yard (big tree) to take a piss, and I saw a bird fly down and peck him in the back. I was so fucking furious that a bird attacked my dog in my back yard, that I spent the next 3 hours firing a BB gun at that bird until I finally killed it (I was a horrible shot, but I blame the BB gun).

I'm taking a page from the article writer's book, and inserting a non-sequitur.

Sean of the Thread
10-03-2008, 07:02 PM
How did you feel once you killed the bird? I assume your first kill from the post... everyone has an experience or feeling from their first kill.

Share

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 07:54 PM
How did you feel once you killed the bird? I assume your first kill from the post... everyone has an experience or feeling from their first kill.

Share

I was just glad it was dead so I didn't have to worry about my dog being pecked. I realized the bird was probably just protecting eggs in it's nest, but I'd rather the bird and all the eggs die than have my dog attacked in his own yard.

droit
10-03-2008, 08:04 PM
I was just glad it was dead so I didn't have to worry about my dog being pecked. I realized the bird was probably just protecting eggs in it's nest, but I'd rather the bird and all the eggs die than have my dog attacked in his own yard.

Yeah, that seems reasonable... :wtf:

What did you do to the guy who stepped on your foot in the subway? Did you kill him and his whole family, too? You even acknowledged that the bird might have had a legitimate reason (a biological imperative, even) to, at worst, annoy your dog. I question the ethics of that decision.

Gelston
10-03-2008, 08:15 PM
I used to cover mice that I would catch in hand sanitizer and light them on fire and laugh as they ran around suffering.

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 08:15 PM
Yeah, that seems reasonable... :wtf:

What did you do to the guy who stepped on your foot in the subway? Did you kill him and his whole family, too? You even acknowledged that the bird might have had a legitimate reason (a biological imperative, even) to, at worst, annoy your dog. I question the ethics of that decision.



Yes, I killed him and his entire family (second cousins included). That's a perfect analogy because the circumstances are almost identical.

I only mentioned that I realized the bird may have been protecting it's nest, because while I acknowledge the attack wasn't malicious, it wasn't going to happen again if I could help it.

droit
10-03-2008, 08:30 PM
Yes, I killed him and his entire family (second cousins included). That's a perfect analogy because the circumstances are almost identical.

I only mentioned that I realized the bird may have been protecting it's nest, because while I acknowledge the attack wasn't malicious, it wasn't going to happen again if I could help it.

Sure, it was a bit of a stretch, but my analogy isn't so far off if you begin with the assumption that the bird has a right to life, just like you and your dog do. If you can accept that, then killing the bird was an overreaction on your part. I'm not some rabid PETA activist or anything, but I do believe in maintaining a modicum of respect for other living things. Hunting, fishing, protecting one's crops or personal safety (see the water moccasin example above) I can understand, but killing a bird because it pecked your dog? Seriously? Is your dog a short-haired chihuahua or something that it was in danger of being pecked to death?

Kyra231
10-03-2008, 08:35 PM
One time I let my dog out when I was around 16 years old. He went by a tree in our back yard (big tree) to take a piss, and I saw a bird fly down and peck him in the back. I was so fucking furious that a bird attacked my dog in my back yard, that I spent the next 3 hours firing a BB gun at that bird until I finally killed it (I was a horrible shot, but I blame the BB gun).

I'm taking a page from the article writer's book, and inserting a non-sequitur.

Wow, tell me it was a predatory type bird...with talons & razor beak the whole nine yards? Killing a songbird/sparrow for pecking your dog seems a little off ......:wtf:

Tea & Strumpets
10-03-2008, 08:53 PM
I have no idea what kind of bird it was, I just wasn't going to let my dog get pecked in the back while he was taking a piss after it happened the first time. If I find a rat in my house and it attacks my dog, should I feed it since it might have baby rats?

My dog at the time was a Boston Bull Terrier puppy since you asked, but it's completely irrelevant since I would have done the same thing if my dog was a big Rottweiler.

diethx
10-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Birds fucking suck anyway.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-03-2008, 10:30 PM
I like birds in the wild.. I take leftover yarn and fabric scraps and weave it into topiary ball forms then hang them outside. The birds fly in and pick away at it to put in their nests and it's cool to catch sight of a piece in a nest.

Birds as pets tend to drive me fucking batty though. Especially ones that chirp non-stop and peck at you if you try to touch them or take them out of the cage. Nothing makes me want to leave a house more than when there's a bird cage with 20 annoying little fuckers chirping at the same time inside of it right there in the living room.

Moist Happenings
10-03-2008, 10:39 PM
I really dunno about this whole "boys will be boys" angle. Firstly, if it was a group of kids that decided they were gonna break into the zoo and mess around, I could see how something like this might happen (though not to this extent). I never really enjoyed seeing anything die myself as a child, or an adult, but my brother in law for instance loves to watch his snakes eat. Always has. I guess it is sort of ingrained into some people. He came from a very goodhearted, straight edge family.

But if this kid did this alone, broke into the zoo and killed a bunch of animals just to watch them die? There are some serious issues going on.

ViridianAsp
10-03-2008, 10:41 PM
I really dunno about this whole "boys will be boys" angle. Firstly, if it was a group of kids that decided they were gonna break into the zoo and mess around, I could see how something like this might happen (though not to this extent). I never really enjoyed seeing anything die myself as a child, or an adult, but my brother in law for instance loves to watch his snakes eat. Always has. I guess it is sort of ingrained into some people. He came from a very goodhearted, straight edge family.

But if this kid did this alone, broke into the zoo and killed a bunch of animals just to watch them die? There are some serious issues going on.

Yeah like, where the fuck were his parents? And if his older brother was also mistreating animals at the same zoo, why wasn't there a sit down to discuss how dangerous and wrong it is?

Moist Happenings
10-03-2008, 10:44 PM
Yeah like, where the fuck were his parents? And if his older brother was also mistreating animals at the same zoo, why wasn't there a sit down to discuss how dangerous and wrong it is?

Precisely.

diethx
10-03-2008, 10:44 PM
I like birds in the wild.. I take leftover yarn and fabric scraps and weave it into topiary ball forms then hang them outside. The birds fly in and pick away at it to put in their nests and it's cool to catch sight of a piece in a nest.

Birds as pets tend to drive me fucking batty though. Especially ones that chirp non-stop and peck at you if you try to touch them or take them out of the cage. Nothing makes me want to leave a house more than when there's a bird cage with 20 annoying little fuckers chirping at the same time inside of it right there in the living room.

Chirping is nothing. I used to live with my friend in her parent's house and her mom had like 5 birds. Not tiny little chirpy birds. Screaming, screeching, howling, talking, mumbling, crazy head-bobbing birds. One of them was 3 feet long. Man I fucking hate birds.

Moist Happenings
10-03-2008, 10:47 PM
Chirping is nothing. I used to live with my friend in her parent's house and her mom had like 5 birds. Not tiny little chirpy birds. Screaming, screeching, howling, talking, mumbling, crazy head-bobbing birds. One of them was 3 feet long. Man I fucking hate birds.

God, I'll join the bandwagon on this one. I lived up in Maine with my family just after high school and my sister decided she was going to raise birds. She wasn't the type to coop them up in cages all day either, nooo. I think the final count was 26 Cockatiels before my sister lost interest and stopped caring for them.

Hate birds so much. Absolutely terrible pets, even if you don't have a huge number of them.

Methais
10-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Yes, I killed him and his entire family (second cousins included). That's a perfect analogy because the circumstances are almost identical.

I only mentioned that I realized the bird may have been protecting it's nest, because while I acknowledge the attack wasn't malicious, it wasn't going to happen again if I could help it.

Chances are that if the bird really had any effect on your dog, the dog would stop pissing on that tree. Or for all you know, it coulda just been a one time thing and the next time the dog went to piss on the same tree, the bird would just peer down and watch in amazement.

As for the rat analogy, that would be relevant if the bird you were initially talking about decided to build his nest in your living room instead of a tree outside.

Either way, beating kids is the solution.

Back
10-04-2008, 12:10 AM
Why is the title of this thread misleading?

As far as I can tell there were no demons involved. Just a kid being a kid.

Sean of the Thread
10-04-2008, 12:14 AM
Why is the title of this thread misleading?

As far as I can tell there were no demons involved. Just a kid being a kid.

If thread was "being enamored with penis" you would have responded quicker.

Back
10-04-2008, 12:19 AM
If thread was "being enamored with penis" you would have responded quicker.

I am so bad at this...

Yeah? Well you would have responded faster if it was a wheelchair piss fest?

Poopyhead.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-04-2008, 12:27 AM
Why is the title of this thread misleading?

As far as I can tell there were no demons involved. Just a kid being a kid.

I think most people are in agreement that this is not "normal".

Stanley Burrell
10-04-2008, 12:31 AM
Glad he didn't kill any tuataras. Although, I'm guessing the zoo wouldn't logically have those in open enclosures.


According to Mr Neindorf, the “nasty” boy’s brother was part of a group who attacked Terry the crocodile about five years ago.

Yeah, hi. That police department should make the kid's parents as aware of the situation as possible, with a limited tax dollar approach.

Ignot
10-04-2008, 02:16 AM
What this kid did was pretty sick. It's one thing, for example, to shoot a lizard with a pellet gun, its another thing to break into a zoo and spend 30 minutes killing animals. I don't know what would happen in court but I hope the zoo goes after the parents. I bet some of the zoo workers are pretty sad (but they are just reptiles).



“He was lucky because if he got in there with the goanna, she would have torn him to pieces,” Mr Neindorf said.



Holy fuck, how big is a goanna??

Audriana
10-04-2008, 10:15 AM
"The goanna was 20 years old, she was an absolute doll."
"He was lucky because if he got in there with the goanna, she would have torn him to pieces," Mr Neindorf said.

Eh? absolute doll that can TARE YOU TO PEICES. LOL.

Audriana
10-04-2008, 10:33 AM
Kids aren't doomed to be serial killers at the age of 7. This sounds like a pretty small town. I could see a kid wanting to watch as the Croc is fed. The only things he could find around to feed him are these other animals.

At 7 do you really understand the finality of death or the value of an animals life, or the monetary and sentimental value of these critters? He simply saw the croc handlers feeding the crocs and wanted to do it himself.

As for doing it at night, that's disturbing. And I didn't see the tape but the "emotionlessness" of the killer would be pretty tough to see on nighttime security cameras.

As for the 'killing for 30 minutes!'. 30 minutes is just about the maximum attention span for me when I was 7. It's certainly just enough time for him to get his fill of the carnage - it's not like he was there for hours and killed everything in a 2 mile radius.

Now the fact they wanted to bring criminal charges on a 7 year old... uh... NO. Kids that are 7 are malleable and impressionable. Easily rehabilitated from his life of "crime". His parents need have a visit from a child welfare officer and the kids and parents should go to some sort of therapy with a therapist that knows not to focus on this incident but to instruct the parents how to better take care of the mental health of their children (and how to keep them from sneaking out of the house at night).

But you could VERY easily bring civil suit against the parents for the cost of these animals, and some of the lost revenue to the zoo from the lack of the animals. Probably even for some of the sentimental value of the animals. None of this needs to involve the child, and he should be nowhere NEAR the courtroom. Let alone paraded in front of a judge.


But again, this is outback Australia, not New York City. These are Hicks. And Hicks do strange things like sit on railroad bridge and shoot snakes, or get paid 5 bucks for every woodchuck they kill, or blow the heads off prairie dogs with a .30-06 for fun (like a friend of mine in 3rd grade). This doesn't turn them into vicious murderers when they grow up.

ElanthianSiren
10-04-2008, 10:34 AM
Wasn't the first quote by a zoo keeper and the second by the administrator or something? I can see the animals that zoo keepers take care of being endeared to them over years.

ElanthianSiren
10-04-2008, 10:40 AM
At seven, I absolutely understood the finality of death. My grandma died of a series of heart attacks when I was 5, and I knew I'd never see her again. As a kid, I had dogs die, cats die, mice die, and snakes die, but I never killed any of them. To this day, I have a much harder time respecting human life than animal life.

Sean of the Thread
10-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Psycho.

Tisket
10-04-2008, 10:48 AM
I'm a serial killer.

All the fish I've killed over the years must prove that.

Tisket
10-04-2008, 10:49 AM
And I enjoyed it.

Audriana
10-04-2008, 10:50 AM
Wasn't the first quote by a zoo keeper and the second by the administrator or something? I can see the animals that zoo keepers take care of being endeared to them over years.

It doesn't give any distinction between the quote before and the quote after. So I'd assume it's the same administrator that says it.

ElanthianSiren
10-04-2008, 10:52 AM
not true. Psycho/Sociopaths have no regard for the rules, whereas I have high regard for the rules. I simply don't have much regard for people I don't know. I say that makes me pretty damn normal actually, albeit more honest than some people.

Tea & Strumpets
10-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Chances are that if the bird really had any effect on your dog, the dog would stop pissing on that tree. Or for all you know, it coulda just been a one time thing and the next time the dog went to piss on the same tree, the bird would just peer down and watch in amazement.


I appreciate your psychoanalysis about the birds likely reaction next time, but I still won't let a wild animal attack my pet on my property if I can help it.

Drew2
10-04-2008, 02:29 PM
I'm not sure what it says about me, but what Tea and Strumpets is saying makes perfect sense to me. I would have no problems killing a bird that was inconveniencing my way of life. It's not like I can call the police to come arrest the bird for harrassment. Why wouldn't they come? Because it's a fucking bird, not a human being.

I have respect for life to an extent. I would never go seek out birds minding their own business to kill. But we're human fucking beings. Top of the food chain. In the words of the movie Step Brothers, "We're here to fuck shit up".

ViridianAsp
10-04-2008, 02:31 PM
not true. Psycho/Sociopaths have no regard for the rules, whereas I have high regard for the rules. I simply don't have much regard for people I don't know. I say that makes me pretty damn normal actually, albeit more honest than some people.

I would save a person, even if I hated them over one of my most beloved of pets. I'd have to say, I don't have the same view, that isn't to say I don't love my cat, but if it came down to it, humans are more important in a situation of crisis.

But that's what I was taught. Now, that isn't to say that when my cockatiel who I had for ten years was attacked by my friend's bird that I was watching while she was on her honeymoon, that I didn't spend thousands (about 2,500 dollars) to save her life.

I have a lot of regard for animal life, at least animals I'm close to. But even then a human life is worth more than an animal's in a state of crisis.

Audriana
10-04-2008, 02:35 PM
Friend of mine told me this story once. They lived on this farm in Iowa or somewhere. Her dad had a bunch of animals for food and such and they sold a few to stay afloat. He also went hunting occasionally and had a few dogs to help him out.

A neighbor had asked if he wanted another dog because they were moving or something or had too many and wanted to get rid of one. Her dad said sure and picked up the dog in his pickup truck, and when he stopped to get the mail from the box, the dog jumped out of the back of the cab and starting running off.

The dogs name was Lucky or somthing or other so he started yelling after the dog. Dog kept running around and freaking out not paying any attention to its name being called. Her dad drove over to it, took out a gun he had under his seat and shot the dog in the head right in front of my friend!

His only responce to her was, "Dog aint worth shit to me if he doesn't know his own name".


Great dad otherwise.

Parkbandit
10-04-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm a firm believer that inability to have empathy for animals easily translates to inability to have empathy for humans.

The kid is fucking sick, 7 years old or not.


My thoughts exactly. There is something wrong with this kid's DNA. Track this kid, I will bet he will be in jail within 15 years or dead.

Seran
10-04-2008, 10:31 PM
Thoughtless violence at such a young age is always the first sign of a potential killer. I didn't go back and count how many times the word sociopath came up, but this would be the definition of that type of behavior.

A pity the child didn't get eatten by the crocodile, it would have done the AU society some good.

Ignot
10-05-2008, 11:27 AM
I would save a person, even if I hated them over one of my most beloved of pets.

I am not sacrificing my dog for a stranger, let alone someone I hate. Maybe I am a psycho.

Sean of the Thread
10-05-2008, 11:29 AM
Yes you're a psycho unless it was a post apocalyptic scenario.