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Parkbandit
09-29-2008, 07:33 PM
INDIANAPOLIS (Sept. 28) -- A convicted sex offender died Sunday during a struggle with a father who found the naked man in or near his 17-year-old daughter's bedroom, police said.
Police responding to a call from the city's northwest side about 3:20 a.m. found 64-year-old Robert McNally on the hallway floor with his arm around the neck of 52-year-old David T. Meyers , who was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police spokesman Sgt. Matthew Mount said Meyers had a heart condition and may have had a heart attack. An autopsy was planned.
Police said Meyers was naked except for a mask and latex gloves and had entered the home through a window near the girl's bedroom with rope, condoms and a knife. He was familiar with the home's layout because it belonged to a relative, police said.
The girl awoke and screamed when she saw the man in her room, police said. The father responded and struggled with the intruder while the girl's mother phoned 911.
Police did not anticipate any charges against McNally.
"If a person breaks into your home, you are justified in using deadly force in defending your family," said Mount. "In this situation, I don't think he was trying to kill him, he was trying to hold him down."
Meyers had served 10 years in prison for criminal confinement and sexual deviate conduct and was wanted in Boone County for failure to register as a sex offender. He was registered as a sex offender in Marion County.
Police said Meyers lived with his mother and had recently lost his job.
The death is under investigation and will be reviewed by a Marion County prosecutor.
"Nobody wins," McNally told The Indianapolis Star. "It's a lose-lose situation for everybody. He has family also."
He said his daughter went to church Sunday after the incident.

http://news.aol.com/article/father-kills-sex-offender-amid-break-in/193392

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Too bad he had a heart attack.. I would rather the father choke the life out of him and him to die more slowly.

J.P
09-29-2008, 07:39 PM
Naked and with only a mask? Bastard stole my idea.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
09-29-2008, 07:57 PM
Nobody wins? Wtf

Bastard got what he deserved.

Audriana
09-29-2008, 08:10 PM
Condoms... really?...

TheEschaton
09-29-2008, 08:54 PM
The smart rapist leaves no DNA behind.

Snapp
09-29-2008, 09:07 PM
Good riddance.

Methais
09-29-2008, 09:35 PM
http://b.mektroid.net/pedobear.jpg

Gan
09-29-2008, 09:46 PM
Nobody wins? Wtf

Bastard got what he deserved.
Word


Good riddance.
x2

Jorddyn
09-29-2008, 10:46 PM
Nobody wins? Wtf

It's a much stronger person than I who can feel empathy for the family of someone who attempts something horrific on someone I love.

But, yea, well deserved death.

Clove
09-29-2008, 10:49 PM
That's why I always take my Nitroglycerine AND my Viagra when I go bird-doggin'.

Clove
09-29-2008, 10:50 PM
It's a much stronger person than I who can feel empathy for the family of someone who attempts something horrific on someone I love.

But, yea, well deserved death.Why? His family didn't do anything.

Skeeter
09-29-2008, 11:16 PM
The real impressive part is a 64 yo man with a 17 yo daughter. 47 and still knocking the bottom out of it.

Celephais
09-30-2008, 12:18 AM
Sucks that the family may be traumatized by it. Good riddance to the sex offender. Personally I hope the dad is the ilk of Sean2 and won't sweat a drop over having taken his life.

Apathy
10-01-2008, 12:32 AM
The real impressive part is a 64 yo man with a 17 yo daughter. 47 and still knocking the bottom out of it.

The farmer need not be young only the soil he tends.

Stanley Burrell
10-01-2008, 03:04 AM
These guys have to be tripping on something. Nothing is going to make a 2 year old look like a 22 year old. Or a 17 year old look like, at least, a 33 year old. Going by the /2 + 7 rule.

I can understand wanting to go out with a katana chopping people up because someone wronged your family and you are the last ninja on the planet, but this. No. Stop. How can it be that there are that many people who are, sadly, members of the homo sapiens species who would willingly perpetrate such an act.

Robbing someone's home makes sense. Breaking someone's windows or throwing ten-thousand eggs at architecture makes sense. Where did this come from? Rape makes more sense than this pedophilia shit. And since we should execute rapists, we should just execute pedophiles. Twice.

Gan
10-01-2008, 08:12 AM
These guys have to be tripping on something. Nothing is going to make a 2 year old look like a 22 year old. Or a 17 year old look like, at least, a 33 year old. Going by the /2 + 7 rule.

:wtf:

Clove
10-01-2008, 08:30 AM
The real impressive part is a 64 yo man with a 17 yo daughter. 47 and still knocking the bottom out of it.That was the first thing I thought of too. You don't really fuck with a 64 year old guy who has a 17 yo daughter... there's some testosterone in that house.

Gan
10-01-2008, 08:32 AM
The farmer need not be young only the soil he tends.

QFT

Stanley Burrell
10-01-2008, 09:13 AM
:wtf:

That's like, if this had been consensual (you know, minus the breaking and entry, knife-wielding and intention to be killed) the attacker was 54 years old. Which means half of that is 26. Plus seven = 33. It's some kind of thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. I think.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
10-01-2008, 09:53 AM
Awesome story. I wish more sex offenders ended like this.

Clove
10-01-2008, 09:56 AM
The farmer need not be young only the soil he tends.Yeah, well call your wife "young soil" and see if you don't get hit by a hoe.

Gan
10-01-2008, 10:44 AM
That's like, if this had been consensual (you know, minus the breaking and entry, knife-wielding and intention to be killed) the attacker was 54 years old. Which means half of that is 26. Plus seven = 33. It's some kind of thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. I think.

What kind of formula is this and who uses it?

Its disturbing on many many different levels.

Gan
10-01-2008, 10:45 AM
Yeah, well call your wife "young soil" and see if you don't get hit by a hoe.

Maybe thats the objective...

And way to insult his wife.

Parkbandit
10-01-2008, 10:45 AM
Sucks that the family may be traumatized by it. Good riddance to the sex offender. Personally I hope the dad is the ilk of Sean2 and won't sweat a drop over having taken his life.

Pretty sure I would sleep like a baby.

Clove
10-01-2008, 10:47 AM
So, if you attack someone when you're 1 year old you only do 7 1/2 years of hard time?!?! That's fucked up. With probation you'll be out in 3 years max. I don't think that's right.

Parkbandit
10-01-2008, 10:47 AM
What kind of formula is this and who uses it?

Its disturbing on many many different levels.

:rofl: at you trying to make sense of a Stanley post. Stop treating him like a normal human being. It's frightening.

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 10:48 AM
The news last night said they came back and said it wasn't a heart attack that killed him, he was, in fact, choked out. No charges will be filed and the family of the pedo made a statement that was appropriate for the situation. Basically a "he got what he deserved" in a more pc manner.

Gan
10-01-2008, 10:49 AM
Pretty sure I would sleep like a baby.

I know I would. :)

Parkbandit
10-01-2008, 10:53 AM
The news last night said they came back and said it wasn't a heart attack that killed him, he was, in fact, choked out. No charges will be filed and the family of the pedo made a statement that was appropriate for the situation. Basically a "he got what he deserved" in a more pc manner.

Now THAT is a WIN/WIN situation. The only thing that would have kept me up at nights was knowing this piece of shit got off easy with a heart attack and that I wasn't the one that choked the life from him. "God, if only I choked him faster!" or "Maybe if I actually stepped on his neck, I would have killed him before the heart attack".

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 11:35 AM
Why? His family didn't do anything.

The attacker's family wouldn't even enter into my mind. This guy actually feels bad for them that they lost a family member, however worthless.


No charges will be filed and the family of the pedo made a statement that was appropriate for the situation. Basically a "he got what he deserved" in a more pc manner.

I love this family for not attempting to sue or anything stupid.

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 11:37 AM
The attacker's family wouldn't even enter into my mind. This guy actually feels bad for them that they lost a family member, however worthless.



I love this family for not attempting to sue or anything stupid. Yeah they were sad they lost a family member but understanding of the situation the father was put in by said family member's actions and did not see a different outcome to that situation.

Clove
10-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Well I was asking more specifically, why would you need to be a strong person to have empathy for the family of a criminal you ended. I can't imagine being angry at the family for something they didn't do, and I don't see why it would prevent a weaker person from being empathetic. Empathy seems like such a simple emotion. The family has a loser, whom they assumedly loved. That person is dead now. Must suck. See how easy that is?

ViridianAsp
10-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Well I was asking more specifically, why would you need to be a strong person to have empathy for the family of a criminal you ended. I can't imagine being angry at the family for something they didn't do, and I don't see why it would prevent a weaker person from being empathetic. Empathy seems like such a simple emotion. The family has a loser, whom they assumedly loved. That person is dead now. Must suck. See how easy that is?


Having empathy for the family of a man who tried to hurt yours is a strength. I mean sure you hate the bastard, but they are someone's son, brother, ect.. Even though people can be terrible, and they are your family, you'll still love and care about them, even if they don't deserve it.

So yes, I would say it is a strength to go outside of the terrible person and feel sorry for the people around or connected to them.

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 11:50 AM
The family has a loser, whom they assumedly loved. That person is dead now. Must suck. See how easy that is?

I agree it's easy. But I'm saying in the midst of the horror of the situation, they would be the last ones on my mind. It wouldn't be anger or hatred, but really apathy towards their situation.

Clove
10-01-2008, 11:55 AM
I agree it's easy. But I'm saying in the midst of the horror of the situation, they would be the last ones on my mind. It wouldn't be anger or hatred, but really apathy towards their situation.Well no, in the midst of the situation who could give a fuck?

DeV
10-01-2008, 12:40 PM
He got off easy, IMO.

Pun intended.


Good riddance.Word.

Shari
10-01-2008, 02:18 PM
Awesome story.

Had a similar thing go down here this week too. Lady had a restraining order out on this guy and he was trying to break into her house for the SECOND time. She was on the phone with the cops when he finally go through her window and she shot him dead. Charges wont be pressed.

Shit like that just makes my day, really.

Clove
10-01-2008, 02:21 PM
Because a baseball bat wouldn't do it?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 02:22 PM
Because a baseball bat wouldn't do it?

I imagine there'd be much more to clean up had a baseball bat been used.

RichardCranium
10-01-2008, 02:32 PM
I could take a chick with a baseball bat. I couldn't take a chick that shot my face off.

Clove
10-01-2008, 02:34 PM
I could take a chick with a baseball bat. I couldn't take a chick that shot my face off.Broken bones take a lot of fight out of you.

RichardCranium
10-01-2008, 02:35 PM
If I saw her coming at best she'd get a broken rib on me. I'm still gonna win.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 02:45 PM
Also, a baseball bat requires a woman to get within "grabbing" range of the dude. I'd rather stand further away from the guy and shoot at him then have to get up close and bludgeon him.

Kyra231
10-01-2008, 02:49 PM
Broken bones take a lot of fight out of you.

Crazy people usually = insanely high tolerance for pain. Work a psych ward for awhile, believe me broken bones don't slow crazy down for shit.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 02:50 PM
The Government is looking to hire a new assassin, someone who can kill anyone for any reason. They go through a interview process with many applicants and finally narrow it down to three individuals, two men and one woman.

They bring in the first man and tell him what they are looking for. The man tells them that he thinks he can handle it so they slide a gun across the table and tell him, "Your wife is in the next room, go and kill her."

The man says that he cant do it so they bring in the next man and they tell him the exact same thing. This man picks up the gun and walks into the next room, only to return a few seconds later and tells him that he just cant do it. They tell him that it's ok, but he just wasn't what they were looking for.

A little discouraged they bring in the last applicant. They tell the woman the same thing and slide a gun across the table. The woman takes the gun and quickly disappears into the next room. The interviewers had their doubts but were surprised to hear two gun shots. The gun shots were followed by what seemed to be a struggle, followed by two or three blunt slams. The woman returns to the room where the interviewers are confused by the noises.

"What happened in there?", they ask.

The woman calmly replies, "That damn gun you gave me had blanks in it, so I had to beat him to death with the fucking chair."

(Nothing to do with the story, the discussion now just reminded me of this joke. Carry on.)

Shari
10-01-2008, 02:58 PM
Because a baseball bat wouldn't do it?

I know this is going to cause a lot of arguing but this is the dumbest statement.

Someone is breaking into your home, or is already in it, with the intent to cause harm to yourself or your family. You may or may not have a restraining order out on this person.

AND YOU WANT TO JUST MAIM THEM WITH A BAT!?


Most cases like that...the person who gets maimed (the one breaking and entering) ends up suing the person who attacked them. Its ridiculous. If someone breaks into MY home. You're getting shot, no questions asked.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 03:04 PM
We're not allowed to shoot people entering our home (in CT anyway). We have to find a way to exit the house, and killing the intruder gets us in jail. So sometimes a bat is the only available option (other than throwing a really heavy object).

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 03:22 PM
We're not allowed to shoot people entering our home (in CT anyway). We have to find a way to exit the house, and killing the intruder gets us in jail. So sometimes a bat is the only available option (other than throwing a really heavy object).

Are you sure? You might have a trial, but the law looks pretty clear that if someone is busting their way in, you can shoot them.


Additionally, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force if he knows he can avoid doing so with complete safety by:

1. retreating, except from his home or office in cases where he was not the initial aggressor

So, you don't have to retreat from your home. I guess in the case of a robbery at a store, you have to.



A person who possesses or controls property or has a license or privilege to be in or on it is justified in using reasonable physical force when and to the extent he reasonably believes it to be necessary to stop another from trespassing or attempting to trespass in or upon it. The owner can use deadly physical force only (1) to defend a person as described above, (2) when he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent the trespasser from attempting to commit arson or any violent crime, or (3) to the extent he reasonably believes it is necessary to stop someone from forcibly entering his home or workplace (and for the sole purpose of stopping the intruder) (CGS § 53a-20).

So if he won't stop banging against the door if you've told him you've called the police, or you think he's going to come in and hurt you, fire away.

Sounds reasonable.

ElanthianSiren
10-01-2008, 03:22 PM
Crazy people usually = insanely high tolerance for pain.

Not to mention hyper sensitivity to adrenaline.

Edit: Oh yeah... with everyone who said good for the dad.

Clove
10-01-2008, 03:30 PM
Crazy people usually = insanely high tolerance for pain. Work a psych ward for awhile, believe me broken bones don't slow crazy down for shit.50MPH of hickory to the head is ample force to cause a concussion and knock someone out. Especially when said person is climbing through a goddam window.

Grabbing is fine. Means you don't have to chase him with the baseball bat.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 03:30 PM
Well, guess I was wrong then. I was always under the impression that deadly force, even in your own home, was criminal.

I don't think I'd have the strength to kill someone else anyway.

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 03:37 PM
I don't think I'd have the strength to kill someone else anyway.

Christmas is coming - get a gun!

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 03:40 PM
Always, always, always, after shooting someone shoot a round into the ceiling. Then it's "Look sir, that's where my warning shot was fired and he kept coming" You can't CSI which bullet was fired first :)

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 03:41 PM
Christmas is coming - get a gun!
No thanks.

Clove
10-01-2008, 03:42 PM
Christmas is coming - get a gun!Connecticut has a weak castle doctrine. You can use deadly force on an assailant in a home without retreating, but trust me you're going to jail when the cops get there and you'll be spending about 25k in legal fees proving your innocence. Reasonable self-defense is very subjective in CGS and really gets down to the juries here. Additionally there's no protection in public in CT. If you're attacked in public you're required to retreat if possible. I know of one case where a man had been shot in the arm, retreated to a restaurant kitchen and was pursued so he shot the assailant. That person was prosecuted for manslaughter.

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 03:43 PM
Connecticut has a weak castle doctrine. You can use deadly force on an assailant in a home without retreating, but trust me you're going to jail when the cops get there and you'll be spending about 25k in legal fees proving your innocence. Reasonable self-defense is very subjective in CGS and really gets down to the juries here. Additionally there's no protection in public in CT. If you're attacked in public you're required to retreat if possible. I know of one case where a man had been shot in the arm, retreated to a restaurant kitchen and was pursued so he shot the assailant. That person was prosecuted for manslaughter.

Fucking hippies.

Gan
10-01-2008, 03:44 PM
We're not allowed to shoot people entering our home (in CT anyway). We have to find a way to exit the house, and killing the intruder gets us in jail. So sometimes a bat is the only available option (other than throwing a really heavy object).

That really sucks.

:heart: Texas

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 03:46 PM
That really sucks.

:heart: Texas

Because the only thing that comes from Texas is steers and ....


I guess that's where the sucking comes in. :D

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm taking a vacation to CT and robbing the shit out of some homes. Run bitches I've got a BB gun!

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Connecticut has a weak castle doctrine. You can use deadly force on an assailant in a home without retreating, but trust me you're going to jail when the cops get there and you'll be spending about 25k in legal fees proving your innocence.

Yea, but you'll be alive and out of jail. Better than either dead or in jail. I'm all for stronger castle doctrine laws, but here I was just trying to point out that CT didn't have to run and hide if someone busted into her house.


Additionally there's no protection in public in CT. If you're attacked in public you're required to retreat if possible. I know of one case where a man had been shot in the arm, retreated to a restaurant kitchen and was pursued so he shot the assailant. That person was prosecuted for manslaughter.

Yea, I thought that part of the law was a little odd. I guess they don't want you opening fire and shooting bystanders. The real question, though, is was he found guilty? I'm guessing no because you said prosecuted. Again, not that I agree, just saying at least he's alive and not in jail.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 03:48 PM
I don't think the laws and legality are what is running through someone's mind when they're being attacked or having their home broken into.

"Against the law" or not, I'd grab a gun over a baseball bat.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 03:49 PM
Yea, but you'll be alive and out of jail. Better than either dead or in jail. I'm all for stronger castle doctrine laws, but here I was just trying to point out that CT didn't have to run and hide if someone busted into her house.
Except that I'm grabbing my cat and GFTO.

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 03:51 PM
I'm taking a vacation to CT and robbing the shit out of some homes. Run bitches I've got a BB gun!

Still sure you don't want a gun, CT?

ElanthianSiren
10-01-2008, 03:52 PM
I don't think the laws and legality are what is running through someone's mind when they're being attacked or having their home broken into.

"Against the law" or not, I'd grab a gun over a baseball bat.

x2, especially after having my best friend and another two close friends and one of their little girls stabbed to death by a serial. I had nightmares about this shit for a long long time.

There's nothing quite like trying not to notice the places a mortician tried to fill in your best friend's body.

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Except that I'm grabbing my cat and GFTO.

Which is probably what I'd do, too.

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Bondo?

I'm going to hell.

Clove
10-01-2008, 03:54 PM
Always, always, always, after shooting someone shoot a round into the ceiling. Then it's "Look sir, that's where my warning shot was fired and he kept coming" You can't CSI which bullet was fired first :)Yeah I've been using that routine for a while now. Always fire a warning shot after you drop 'im.

ElanthianSiren
10-01-2008, 03:55 PM
it looked that way. I didn't think it was done well to be honest, and I don't believe her family made the right decision with it.


My other two friends and her little girl were closed casket. Especially with the little girl since she was stabbed so hard in the back the knife went through the floor below.

Gan
10-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Because the only thing that comes from Texas is steers and ....


I guess that's where the sucking comes in. :D

Jealousy

Tea & Strumpets
10-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Why? His family didn't do anything.

You're right. I'm also assuming other than this one little quirk, that this guy was most likely a good guy and an example to his family.

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Yeah I've been using that routine for a while now. Always fire a warning shot after you drop 'im.

Wondering how many times you've had to use this move...

Tsa`ah
10-01-2008, 04:07 PM
I don't think the laws and legality are what is running through someone's mind when they're being attacked or having their home broken into.

"Against the law" or not, I'd grab a gun over a baseball bat.

Just be familiar with the law so that after you drop the guy crawling through the window ... you know enough to put a butter knife in his hands or not.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 04:07 PM
Still sure you don't want a gun, CT?
Pft. I know what Anticor looks like thanks to Some Rogue. Besides, I'd just flash him. :D

Clove
10-01-2008, 04:08 PM
Wondering how many times you've had to use this move...If you fire a warning shot first, they're more alert and you lose your best sight picture.

Clove
10-01-2008, 04:08 PM
Pft. I know what Anticor looks like thanks to Some Rogue. Besides, I'd just flash him. :DAnd then hit him with a baseball bat.

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 04:10 PM
Pft. I know what Anticor looks like thanks to Some Rogue. Besides, I'd just flash him. :D

Yeah, boobs are the quickest way to get Anticor to run away.

CrystalTears
10-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Yeah, boobs are the quickest way to get Anticor to run away.
I said Anticor not Ashliana.

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Right, Anticor has all that experience checking out his own.

ViridianAsp
10-01-2008, 04:16 PM
I don't think the laws and legality are what is running through someone's mind when they're being attacked or having their home broken into.

"Against the law" or not, I'd grab a gun over a baseball bat.

Agreed, though I keep my old softball bat under the bed and keep my gun locked up tight and on the very top shelf, because of my little one. Which isn't exactly useful seeing as I have to get up on a chair to get it off said top shelf...

Thank god I'm good with a bat.

Daniel
10-01-2008, 04:23 PM
Thank god I'm good with a bat.

If only I had a nickel for everything time I've said that...

Morrff
10-01-2008, 04:23 PM
I don't think the laws and legality are what is running through someone's mind when they're being attacked or having their home broken into.

"Against the law" or not, I'd grab a gun over a baseball bat.

Yep out the window with anything other then my families safety, that includes allowing an intruder to live and go to jail and possibly do that again to either my family or some other family.

I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6...

Cylas

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 04:26 PM
If you fire a warning shot first, they're more alert and you lose your best sight picture.

I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm just wondering how often you're having to shoot intruders, and if that number is >1, why you haven't moved :)

NocturnalRob
10-01-2008, 04:26 PM
If only I had a nickel for everything time I've said that...

to your boyfriend

zing pow ching!

edit: nothing but love, daniel. i know you pull the mad, sick, crazy hot, slutty DC poon

Daniel
10-01-2008, 04:36 PM
to your boyfriend

zing pow ching!

edit: nothing but love, daniel. i know you pull the mad, sick, crazy hot, slutty DC poon

don't be scared because you'll have to meet me in a couple of weeks.

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 04:39 PM
He wants to meat you all right.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 04:40 PM
Just be familiar with the law so that after you drop the guy crawling through the window ... you know enough to put a butter knife in his hands or not.

Having been physically attacked before, the law didn't cross my mind until after the police had arrived.

If I shot/stabbed/bludgeoned/choked/whatever a fucker dead after attacking me or breaking into my house, I don't think I'd be alone in saying that I would not be immediately concerned about the "legality" of my actions.

I think most people just coming out of an incident like that are not going to be in the state of mind to carefully plan how to make their self-defense look the best in the eyes of the court, even if they do know the law.

Clove
10-01-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm just wondering how often you're having to shoot intruders, and if that number is >1, why you haven't moved :)Hey, when their aim gets better, then I'll move.

Tsa`ah
10-01-2008, 04:44 PM
Having been physically attacked before, the law didn't cross my mind until after the police had arrived.

If I shot/stabbed/bludgeoned/choked/whatever a fucker dead after attacking me or breaking into my house, I don't think I'd be alone in saying that I would not be immediately concerned about the "legality" of my actions.

I think most people just coming out of an incident like that are not going to be in the state of mind to carefully plan how to make their self-defense look the best in the eyes of the court, even if they do know the law.

Depends on the state, and why IL sucks in that regard.

Attacked and having the supporting evidence of said attack? No problem.
Breaking in (and why IL sucks) ... if they're not armed you can be (and people have been) charged.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 04:47 PM
Ultimately, knowing the laws probably isn't going to change how you're going to react in that situation, and the drain from afterwards is probably going to mean you're not gonna carefully re-set the scene to make it look more in your favor.

Human nature when threatened is the same-- fight or flight. If you feel cornered especially or there are people you feel you need to protect, your instinct will likely be to fight. When the adrenaline is pumping and you're feeling like your life is in danger, "Hey what was that about my state's laws of self-defense in this situation?" is not going through almost anyone's head, period. So goodie, we know the laws, doesn't change the fact that if a father sees a man climb through his daughter's window at night he's gonna shoot him in his face or smash his head in no matter WHAT state it happens in. And the hormonal crash that occurs after something of that magnitude means that most people aren't going to rearrange the "scene".

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 04:57 PM
Depends on the state, and why IL sucks in that regard.

I was going to mock you until I googled Iowa's castle doctrine law. It does not exist, and you may be required to retreat within your dwelling.

That sucks. I'm going to start breaking in to other peoples' houses in protest.

ElanthianSiren
10-01-2008, 05:05 PM
And the hormonal crash that occurs after something of that magnitude means that most people aren't going to rearrange the "scene".

Yeah but how are you going to explain using every bullet at your disposal? http://www.philandjenni.com/livejournal/icon_angel.gif

AnticorRifling
10-01-2008, 05:09 PM
Yeah but how are you going to explain using every bullet at your disposal? http://www.philandjenni.com/livejournal/icon_angel.gif
If I went through the 2,000 rounds in my house they'd be lucky to ID the guy.....

Jorddyn
10-01-2008, 05:12 PM
If I went through the 2,000 rounds in my house they'd be lucky to ID the guy.....

That? That's just soup. Had a bit of a spill.

ElanthianSiren
10-01-2008, 05:12 PM
:lol:

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-01-2008, 05:26 PM
That? That's just soup. Had a bit of a spill.

:rofl:

Tsa`ah
10-01-2008, 05:27 PM
I was going to mock you until I googled Iowa's castle doctrine law. It does not exist, and you may be required to retreat within your dwelling.

That sucks. I'm going to start breaking in to other peoples' houses in protest.

I mock your absent law with my weak law.

Gan
10-01-2008, 05:36 PM
That? That's just soup. Had a bit of a spill.

Mmmmm, Chili.

Gan
10-01-2008, 05:38 PM
I honestly don't know who actually uses that formula. But it's a longstanding and culturally accepted mathematical equation. You haven't heard of half your age and add seven years to see if a relationship is plausible?

What I was saying, like I already said, that if this individual was seeking sexually relations in a fashion that wouldn't neccesitate his death, then (the dead guy's age being 52 [cut in half + 7 = 33]) means that a 52 year old who is not a pedophile, or a rapist, or a serial killer, or a ParkBandit could according to this bullshit, plausibly have an O.K. relationship with a 33 year old. I didn't invent this shit and I don't necessarily follow it either.

And yet you know so much about it.

:spaz:

Stanley Burrell
10-01-2008, 05:43 PM
What kind of formula is this and who uses it?

Its disturbing on many many different levels.

I honestly don't know who actually uses that formula. But it's a longstanding and culturally accepted mathematical equation. You haven't heard of half your age and add seven years to see if a relationship is plausible?

What I was saying, like I already said, that if this individual was seeking sexual relations in a fashion that wouldn't necessitate his death, then (the dead guy's age being 52 [cut in half + 7 = 33]) means that a 52 year old who is not a pedophile, or a rapist, or a serial killer, or a ParkBandit could according to this bullshit, plausibly have an O.K. relationship with a 33 year old. I didn't invent this shit and I don't necessarily follow it either.


:rofl: at you trying to make sense of a Stanley post. Stop treating him like a normal human being. It's frightening.

Sheddep.


And yet you know so much about it.

:spaz:

It's a really, really common formula that I used as an example. Go me.

Some Rogue
10-01-2008, 05:43 PM
I thought you just went by the if it's old enough to bleed, it's old enough to breed method.

Stanley Burrell
10-01-2008, 05:45 PM
I'm a dendrophiliac.

Gan
10-01-2008, 05:53 PM
It's a really, really common formula that I used as an example. Go me.

Common in what circles? (I'm still chuckling over this)

Is this like a command line script that runs whenever you're at the food court in the mall scoping out chicks? At the local grocery store scoping out babes? At the bar/club/meat locker scoping out the next 'connection'?

Do you use notecards and a calculator? Or use the calculator on your wristwatch for those hard to figure cases?

Are there any racial/profession modifiers that one could consider with this formula? What about a handicap for the guy based on any inefficiencies he might have?

Do you get a D100 roll when you make your opening pitch to the 'target'? Any considerations for AvD calculations?

Stan, you could seriously write a book about this.

:lol:

Gan
10-01-2008, 05:56 PM
I thought you just went by the if it's old enough to bleed, it's old enough to breed method.

My rule of thumb was that you had to consider where you were fishing if you were picky about what you catch.

Club scene was always a catch and release for instance...

Stanley Burrell
10-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Common in what circles? (I'm still chuckling over this)

Is this like a command line script that runs whenever you're at the food court in the mall scoping out chicks? At the local grocery store scoping out babes? At the bar/club/meat locker scoping out the next 'connection'?

Yes.


Do you use notecards and a calculator? Or use the calculator on your wristwatch for those hard to figure cases?

Yes.


Are there any racial/profession modifiers that one could consider with this formula? What about a handicap for the guy based on any inefficiencies he might have?

Yes.


Do you get a D100 roll when you make your opening pitch to the 'target'? Any considerations for AvD calculations?

Yes.


Stan, you could seriously write a book about this.

Yes.


:lol:

Yes.







Wait. Actually. ...No.


I'm a dendrophiliac.

To get back on-topic, I only have sex with premature saplings.

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Furrowfoot
10-03-2008, 12:58 AM
I honestly don't know who actually uses that formula. But it's a longstanding and culturally accepted mathematical equation. You haven't heard of half your age and add seven years to see if a relationship is plausible?

What I was saying, like I already said, that if this individual was seeking sexual relations in a fashion that wouldn't necessitate his death, then (the dead guy's age being 52 [cut in half + 7 = 33]) means that a 52 year old who is not a pedophile, or a rapist, or a serial killer, or a ParkBandit could according to this bullshit, plausibly have an O.K. relationship with a 33 year old. I didn't invent this shit and I don't necessarily follow it either.



Sheddep.



It's a really, really common formula that I used as an example. Go me.

I hate to lend credence to this, but I've heard it before as well, exactly as /2 +7.

Also: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=divide%20by%202%20add%207

Not that being in urbandictionary makes it right or true, but it's not complete BS made up by Stanley.

Furrowfoot
10-03-2008, 01:00 AM
Also, <3 Florida.

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

Apathy
10-03-2008, 02:35 AM
Yeah, well call your wife "young soil" and see if you don't get hit by a hoe.

I almost missed this! Clove, in your furious quest to respond to as many people as possible, you didn't think this metaphor through. We'll do it SAT style.

Soil is to vagina as hoe is to ____

If I get hit by a "hoe" for saying that to my wife, I have bigger problems (or at least one really big problem) than worrying about me insulting her :)