Gays "banned" from GS

[Some Rogue]

Apparently you can't be "gay" in GS now...

from a post on the officials:


>You say, "Truly, though, I believe the bard is gay."

> Speaking in Elven, Xxxxx says, "He does take more interest in gentlemen than I'd expect, come to think of it."

SEND[Xxxxx] Lets find a different word to use, please. Thanks!

REPORT Err ... a different word than what?

SEND[Xxxxx] A different word than 'gay', as in "Truly, I think the bard is gay." Because unless you are calling him or her jovial, then its not appropriate. Just a friendly reminder! Thanks!


And then from everyone's favorite moderator

References to other players being homosexual hasn't been acceptable in some time. As was stated to you by the GM who spoke to you, "it's preferable if you keep things like sex to discussions in private whispers rather than out loud."
~
GM Emeradan

Who, it turns out, was only telling part of the story..


Well, Emeradan, if you're going to do an insider quote on the subject, perhaps you ought to give all the information.

The "player" to which I was referring, as of course you're aware, was in fact the wandering "red-haired elven bard" NPC in Ta'Vaalor. Quite possibly there's someone out there berserk with rage that I satirized a NPC, but then again I wrote a satirical song about the subject for a public concert a couple years back. Plainly the Public Morals Committee of Gemstone didn't have the spycam trained on Solhaven that night.

And Scott nailed it right on the head: there is no way in creation I will respect any "policy" - in quotes because, of course, it doesn't actually exist - that purportedly protects all the innocent little children allegedly playing this game from even being aware that the mere subject of sexual preference exists, in the same game where GMs have no qualms about showing the same players images of sickening graphic torture, where there are critical hits involving messy piercing of bladders, and so on.

Now if Simu wants to put down in black-letter policy the words players are forbidden to say in the clear, they can do that, and we can then decide whether we want to keep paying $40-50 a month for the malarkey.


Thanks for making the day more interesting!

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=9&topic=4&message=12661

[Sean of the Thread]

Emeradan is a fucking joke.

[Allereli]

here's the link if you want the full thread.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=9&topic=4&low=12661&high=&author=&showrange.x=0&showrange.y=0

[LadyLaphrael]

Poor half-elven bard. Doesn't he have a hard enough time being a half-elf in one of the most racist (oh, but it's okay, it's in the docs, right?) cities in the game without having his sexuality put into question? He's about two sashays and a wink away from being curbstomped on Emaereld Var.

[CrystalTears]

>>Well, Emeradan, if you're going to do an insider quote on the subject, perhaps you ought to give all the information.

I offered as much information as your original post did on the subject.

---
What an asshat.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/untitled-4.jpg

[DCSL]

Do they prefer homosexual to "gay"? I'm not completely clear on what point Simu is defending. Either they do allow gays and they just don't want that term used for whatever reason, or they don't allow gays in what would be an incredibly douche-ish move on their part. I mean. I love textual lesbians. Damn.

[CrystalTears]

They allow gays, they just don't want you to talk about it. I think.

I'm not sure, since they're not being very clear on their stance, except for Em who just talks to hear himself talk about shit he knows nothing about.

[Joe]

They allow gays, they just don't want you to talk about it. I think.

I'm not sure, since they're not being very clear on their stance, except for Em who just talks to hear himself talk about shit he knows nothing about.

I think after that last thread, that's your new claim to fame. That's just awesome. I'd buy you a beer, but... yeah, text.

[DCSL]

But... why can't you talk about it? As long as you're not being unnecessarily crude about it (like, "That bard really likes cocks. In his ass. All the time. Lots of them.") I don't see any valid reason for keeping it under lock and key.

[CrystalTears]

It's a shame only the retarded GMs are responding in this discussion.

Andraste:
The word "gay" -- when meant to comment about one's sexuality -- especially in light of the increased use of it today, is modern slang at the least, and depending on what sense it's used, a modern pejorative at the worst. Homosexual is also a fairly modern word, at least in comparison the era in which Elanthia's genre is set. Most instances of the use of the word that we see is definitely player-directed more than character-directed, and as pointed out, there is certainly an in-genre way to draw those parallels without making it personal.

In the 17th century, when gay meant carefree and not lover of man, a gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man was a womanizer, and a gay house was pretty much a whore house -- it had no same-sex referencing at all, not until the late 20th century.

In general, we have no issues with people roleplaying lovers of the same sex here, however, harassment by others for doing so, and other types of derision, have not been tolerated by staff -- as we do not tolerate sexual harrassment [especially when it is brought to our attention if it's gone on unnoticed].

Lastly, talk of one's sexual proclivities or sexual activity, given this is a family game, is generally best kept to private whispers.

I've seen plenty of references to characters being sexual without being so graphic or overt that it warrants a reminder, so I know it can be tasteful

[DCSL]

Why hasn't she been fired yet? Off topic, but curious.

[CrystalTears]

Being the GM involved, and having seen the uproar from the playerbase on the incident, I would like to respond and clarify a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, being that I am not homophobic, nor was this veiled discrimination or homophobia. I have no issue with characters or players who wish to be with other characters or players of the same sex, and am terribly sorry that it ever became a question for anyone. I am firmly against discrimination, and am beside myself with sadness that this interaction between myself and the player in question has been taken in this context.

Now to explain why I sent the reminder. I need to reiterate that this was not a "OMG you are such a bad person for saying gay! How dare you use that word!". It is hard to convey emotion through text SENDS but it was intended to be a friendly, casual "Hey, can we please find another word?" type of interaction. The reason for that was because I couldn't tell from the 'flash of text' that came across my screen when he said "The bard is gay" whether or not he was using it in a 'bashing' manner or a simple description. I was not spying on them when it happened, the phrase just popped up and I gave the reminder.

Now the question as to WHY I gave the reminder is the hot topic, so I'll explain. I gave the reminder to use a different word for a few reasons, mainly preventative. We have same-sex weddings, and couples in Elanthia and have for some time. I think that's wonderful! But often, despite the thought that it doesn't happen, we have people who use the word 'gay' as a negative word. It's become a way of describing something you don't like in mainstream society, such as "Man, that's gay." or any various examples, and we try to keep that from happening in Gemstone. Obviously, we don't want to see Gemstone turn into a chatroom type of atmosphere, but the other reason is because we DO want to protect our homosexual community from seeing that type of negativity allowed.

My request of the player to find another word was only meant to discourage the general use of it, and as I did not see the conversation, but rather the snippet of "That bard is gay", I gave a general reminder. From what he has posted of the rest of the conversation, it wasn't said in a derogatory manner, and that's wonderful. I am sorry that the context of it did not come over to me, but I still believe that finding other words to use would be best for all the reasons I have listed above. To the poster, I apologize if it offended you or caused you to believe that I was homophobic. It was never intended in that manner, as I hope I have shown you in this response. It was meant as a general, friendly reminder to try and find other ways to describe it for a variety of reasons.

Gemstone is a text-based world, and there are many terms in which to describe something. I'm sure there is terminology that better suits your character's thoughts, given the negative connotation that has been placed upon the word 'gay' in modern society. Terms such as "The man certainly fancies himself.", "The man seems to prefer the company of other men.".. No, I do not believe being gay is a negative thing, and in fact, I believe its wonderful to find love in another person no matter their sex. But that doesn't change the fact that its been perceived as a commonplace word to use when describing others (or objects/situations) in a negative manner, and that practice is discouraged in Gemstone. In this case, I dropped the ball by not seeing the context in which it was used. But I do think that finding other ways to discuss it, or keeping it to private whispers is a good way to help discourage the use of such a negative connotation.

~Naionna

[Nieninque]

Should have used "shirt-lifter"

[RichardCranium]

"Truly, though, I believe the bard is beef wellington."


Problem solved.

[DCSL]

I thought beef wellington meant retarded.

[Nieninque]

No it was a euphemism for gay back when Tsa'ah was the anti-gay-in-posts mod.

Yeah yeah Sean, it was part of a doctrine handed down from high above blah blah blah.

I think it was Anticor that first started using beef welly...then all the tards started using it.

[RichardCranium]

Yes, it was Anticor.


<3 u 2 Nien

[Stanley Burrell]

I dunno. Just say something in-genre, since "gay" is too taboo (whether or not it has its proper chronological usage in GS;) i.e....:

"The Lord doth prefer his most personal intimacies with fellow acquaintances *only* capable of protecting tender bits with mithril codpieces, sire."

Or like:

"He has an unmatched knack for wearing bright pink pantaloons and gaudy feathery attire, matched in its bedroom connotations."

Or maybe like:

"That dude is a fucking [edited by Snapp]."

This is your arsenal. Use it.

[Allereli]

blah blah blah blah blah

~Naionna

/facepalm

[Joe]

Being the GM involved, and having seen the uproar from the playerbase on the incident, I would like to respond and clarify a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, being that I am not homophobic, nor was this veiled discrimination or homophobia. I have no issue with characters or players who wish to be with other characters or players of the same sex, and am terribly sorry that it ever became a question for anyone. I am firmly against discrimination, and am beside myself with sadness that this interaction between myself and the player in question has been taken in this context.

Now to explain why I sent the reminder. I need to reiterate that this was not a "OMG you are such a bad person for saying gay! How dare you use that word!". It is hard to convey emotion through text SENDS but it was intended to be a friendly, casual "Hey, can we please find another word?" type of interaction. The reason for that was because I couldn't tell from the 'flash of text' that came across my screen when he said "The bard is gay" whether or not he was using it in a 'bashing' manner or a simple description. I was not spying on them when it happened, the phrase just popped up and I gave the reminder.

Now the question as to WHY I gave the reminder is the hot topic, so I'll explain. I gave the reminder to use a different word for a few reasons, mainly preventative. We have same-sex weddings, and couples in Elanthia and have for some time. I think that's wonderful! But often, despite the thought that it doesn't happen, we have people who use the word 'gay' as a negative word. It's become a way of describing something you don't like in mainstream society, such as "Man, that's gay." or any various examples, and we try to keep that from happening in Gemstone. Obviously, we don't want to see Gemstone turn into a chatroom type of atmosphere, but the other reason is because we DO want to protect our homosexual community from seeing that type of negativity allowed.

My request of the player to find another word was only meant to discourage the general use of it, and as I did not see the conversation, but rather the snippet of "That bard is gay", I gave a general reminder. From what he has posted of the rest of the conversation, it wasn't said in a derogatory manner, and that's wonderful. I am sorry that the context of it did not come over to me, but I still believe that finding other words to use would be best for all the reasons I have listed above. To the poster, I apologize if it offended you or caused you to believe that I was homophobic. It was never intended in that manner, as I hope I have shown you in this response. It was meant as a general, friendly reminder to try and find other ways to describe it for a variety of reasons.

Gemstone is a text-based world, and there are many terms in which to describe something. I'm sure there is terminology that better suits your character's thoughts, given the negative connotation that has been placed upon the word 'gay' in modern society. Terms such as "The man certainly fancies himself.", "The man seems to prefer the company of other men.".. No, I do not believe being gay is a negative thing, and in fact, I believe its wonderful to find love in another person no matter their sex. But that doesn't change the fact that its been perceived as a commonplace word to use when describing others (or objects/situations) in a negative manner, and that practice is discouraged in Gemstone. In this case, I dropped the ball by not seeing the context in which it was used. But I do think that finding other ways to discuss it, or keeping it to private whispers is a good way to help discourage the use of such a negative connotation.

~Naionna

You're Naionna? OMG!?!?!?!?!

Kidding.

[DCSL]

I was even here for the whole gay crackdown and somehow the term morphed in my mind to something else. Hn. The combination of age and heavy drinking must be getting to me.

[Some Rogue]

"I only saw the word, not how it was used!!!11"

But, you specifically said, unless you mean he's jovial, you can't even use that word.

"Doh!"

[Stanley Burrell]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gaiety

[Parkbandit]

Does this mean you're coming back to WoW now Nekk?? I mean, if you can't play GS anymore due to your lifestyle, what are you going to do?

[CrystalTears]

Basically, the way I understood her reply was...

"I don't want people to even see the word "gay" because people in this game are irresponsible and immature. So in order to avoid it being used in the wrong context, we'll take it away completely. Yes I didn't look at how it was being used in context, I just sent a send when it showed up on my GM Gaydar Word System."

Sorry, but I find that all to be a bunch of bullshit. Considering she said in the send that unless it was used to mean jovial, use another word. So you can use gay to mean happy, but not to mean homosexual? Whatever.

[Allereli]

Basically, the way I understood her reply was...

"I don't want people to even see the word "gay" because people in this game are irresponsible and immature. So in order to avoid it being used in the wrong context, we'll take it away completely. Yes I didn't look at how it was being used in context, I just sent a send when it showed up on my GM Gaydar Word System."

Sorry, but I find that all to be a bunch of bullshit. Considering she said in the send that unless it was used to mean jovial, use another word. So you can use gay to mean happy, but not to mean homosexual? Whatever.

pretty much. She dug her grave pretty deep, she should probably stick to monitoring Plat.

[Stanley Burrell]

Fuck you, Gaymasters.

[Some Rogue]

Does this mean you're coming back to WoW now Nekk?? I mean, if you can't play GS anymore due to your lifestyle, what are you going to do?

It just means I have to retire Falgrin and Sithral since they were the ones who fancied the lads.

[Moist Happenings]

Personally I don't have an issue with a request to find another word to use. In the time period for this genre, the word gay had absolutely no connection to homosexuality. Homosexuality existed then, and long before, of course, and as the GM has said, she's got no issue with it.

Finding a different way to express it is a) Not that difficult, and b) something that would take any question out of it for the GMs.

The initial reaction to a request to use another word is "ZOMG U CAN'T SAY I CAN'T USE A WORD!! FREEDOM OF SPEECH! I CAN SAY WUT I WANT!", as that was my initial reaction when I first read this thread.

However, if the GM had been listening in on the conversation, seen it, and said something to the effect like this:

"Hey, I realize you didn't use that in a way that was derogatory, but I just want to let you know that it sends up red flags to the GMs because of the word's use in modern slang. If you could find a different way to express it in the future, it'd help out a bit. Thanks."

then I doubt anyone would have any argument against it?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the GM did anything wrong. She wasn't privy to the entire conversation to make that distinction between slang and proper usage.

[Some Rogue]

As this is a fantasy game and there are things that exist that never existed in our world, that's a retarded reason.

[Allereli]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the GM did anything wrong. She wasn't privy to the entire conversation to make that distinction between slang and proper usage.

Yes the point is she didn't even attempt to try to read back in the log, she just jumped in with ZOMG YOU SAID GAAAAYYYYYY

[DCSL]

I tend to be a bit more disturbed by the way the GMs want it discussed only in whispers, no matter what term is used or with what intentions. There have been, and will probably continue to be, many references to heterosexuality in by players and GMs in the guise of merchants.

Give me a fucking break. I wish GMs would all read the same manual and get it over with.

[Ignot]

Is "gay" really in poor taste these days? All the gay friends i know use "gay" all the time. I don't think its a bad word at all anymore. Now if they used the word "fag" then i could understand but "gay"? cmon.

[AnticorRifling]

Just use wellington.

[Stunseed]

Is "gay" really in poor taste these days? All the gay friends i know use "gay" all the time. I don't think its a bad word at all anymore. Now if they used the word "fag" then i could understand but "gay"? cmon.

Mainly because EVERYONE and their third cousin's mailman uses the term in a negative manner. People get de-sensitized to it, I guess.

[Ignot]

Just use wellington.

HA! i wanted to share what just happened...

I just sent a text to my lesbian friend. "your so wellington".

She sent back "what are you talking about?"

I sent "it means your gay"

She sent "oh, why didn't you just say that, lol. damn right i am."

[Tsa`ah]

Is "gay" really in poor taste these days? All the gay friends i know use "gay" all the time. I don't think its a bad word at all anymore. Now if they used the word "fag" then i could understand but "gay"? cmon.

It's the context in which it is used. If it's meant to demean or insult ... ya, that's in pretty poor taste. You're implying there's something wrong with being gay, that gay is wrong or bad.

[diethx]

Mainly because EVERYONE and their third cousin's mailman uses the term in a negative manner. People get de-sensitized to it, I guess.

No, not everyone does. And you can always tell the difference when it's used like that anyway.

[Nieninque]

It isnt?

[Some Rogue]

Maybe ghey doesn't show up on the GM Gaydar Word System™

[CrystalTears]

Mainly because EVERYONE and their third cousin's mailman uses the term in a negative manner. People get de-sensitized to it, I guess.
And yet the way it's used now has less to do with being homosexual and more to do with something being stupid.

[diethx]

Who was Emeradan's PC? Delyorik? Since Emeradan is a GM name and therefore technically OOC, instead of using the word gay or wellington, you should use the word delyorik. Like, "Oh wow, that prancing, sashaying, winking bard is SO delyorik!" "Oh yes, I saw so-and-so delyoriking it up on East Ring Road down the grizzled warrior's pants."

[Ignot]

And yet the way it's used now has less to do with being homosexual and more to do with something being stupid.

so then they called the NPC stupid. i still don't see the problem. im giving up though, this thread is gay....er stupid, i mean wellington....whatever.

[That Jay]

Who was Emeradan's PC? Delyorik? Since Emeradan is a GM name and therefore technically OOC, instead of using the word gay or wellington, you should use the word delyorik. Like, "Oh wow, that prancing, sashaying, winking bard is SO delyorik!" "Oh yes, I saw so-and-so delyoriking it up on East Ring Road down the grizzled warrior's pants."

ROFL

[CrystalTears]

Who was Emeradan's PC? Delyorik? Since Emeradan is a GM name and therefore technically OOC, instead of using the word gay or wellington, you should use the word delyorik. Like, "Oh wow, that prancing, sashaying, winking bard is SO delyorik!" "Oh yes, I saw so-and-so delyoriking it up on East Ring Road down the grizzled warrior's pants."
Sometimes they don't even put up with that.

A long time ago some people used Urgoyle as a term for stupid, i.e. "Using that spell against that critter was really Urgoyle of you". After a while of that, the GMs would get upset with that and said that you can't use someone's name in a derogatory fashion.

There's no winning with them sometimes.

[diethx]

Then just make the argument that it's not your fault Delyorik's parents named him after homosexual activity.

[Some Rogue]

There was a skit on Bob and Tom years ago that did this exact thing. Like, "Hey check out the set of Narcissiia's on that broad." or
"Hey guys, I'll be right back, I gotta take a huge Falgrin."

[Methais]

I suggest using the term HETEROSEXUALLY CHALLENGED. I think I'll go put that on the officials.


Mainly because EVERYONE and their third cousin's mailman uses the term in a negative manner. People get de-sensitized to it, I guess.

Well then, since I don't see gays getting pissed when straight people say gay, why isn't it ok for non-blacks to say nigger then?

Logic indicates that gays are tougher than blacks.

[Stanley Burrell]

™

...

:lol:

[diethx]

I suggest using the term HETEROSEXUALLY CHALLENGED. I think I'll go put that on the officials.



Well then, since I don't see gays getting pissed when straight people say gay, why isn't it ok for non-blacks to say nigger then?

Logic indicates that gays are tougher than blacks.

Why is it okay for blacks to say nigger?

Also, who's Bob and Tom?

[AnticorRifling]

I suggest using the term HETEROSEXUALLY CHALLENGED. I think I'll go put that on the officials.



Well then, since I don't see gays getting pissed when straight people say gay, why isn't it ok for non-blacks to say nigger then?

Logic indicates that gays are tougher than blacks.

Use vaginally misguided, clitaphobic, or tantamount to a phallic enthusiast

[Some Rogue]

Also, who's Bob and Tom?

http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/index.htm

[AnticorRifling]

Also, who's Bob and Tom? Radio show that's broadcast from WFBQ Indianapolis and syndicated across the country. Morning talk show that's devoted to comedians. Lots of good guests, some of the stuff they've been doing for the last 20 years so it's stale but the guests are generally worth the listen.

[diethx]

AHA!

[Stunseed]

No, not everyone does. And you can always tell the difference when it's used like that anyway.


It's easy to notice when my 15-year old says it. In text, not so much.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The whole thing seems blown out of proportion. One send merits this uproar? GMs are only there to try and help make the game fun for everyone, and most of us know the term gay can be used to bash with. Whoever it was originally should have just gotten over it instead of make a big deal about it.

Now we probably have a dozen GMs reading a flame fest instead of coding/merchanting/handling asshats or whatever. Waste of everyone's time.

[CrystalTears]

No only the asshat GMs that have nothing to do but read the forums (except for said GM who caused this in the first place) are responding.

Maybe it was blown out of proportion on both ends, but finding out that they object to the WORD first rather than context can start snowballing out of control if not addressed.

[That Jay]

GMs are only there to try and help make the game fun for everyone

I don't think some of them got that memo.

[Some Rogue]

I don't think 95% of them got that memo.

That.

[Methais]

Why is it okay for blacks to say nigger?

Also, who's Bob and Tom?

I was gonna go look for a funny video to respond with, but I found this instead and it's awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlWOu9FHm-I

[RichardCranium]

Nigger is not ok. Nigga is cool though.

[diethx]

It's easy to notice when my 15-year old says it. In text, not so much.

K, we'll have to agree to disagree, because I think it's almost always easy to tell the difference between someone calling something or someone gay as a derogatory term, and discussing someone actually being gay. Yes, even online.


I was gonna go look for a funny video to respond with, but I found this instead and it's awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlWOu9FHm-I

That is so full of win. And two thumbs up for that guy taking the time to teach them better language skills. OH NOES HE R TRYING 2 MAEK US SOUND MOAR SMARTER!!! OH NOES!!!!

[diethx]

Nigger is not ok. Nigga is cool though.

And I think that's bullshit. If it's so goddamn offensive, no one should use it in any form.

[Stunseed]

And I think that's bullshit. If it's so goddamn offensive, no one should use it in any form.

Exactly how I feel about the term "gay" in a negative manner.

PS. Nigga please.

[Methais]

Nigger is not ok. Nigga is cool though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqsDRQJesMI

[diethx]

So then the answer is to crack down on those who use gay in a negative manner, not those who use it AT ALL BECAUSE IT IS NOT BY NATURE A DEROGATORY TERM, ffs.

[Stunseed]

So two african-americans sharing in the lifetime experience of being hassled by the man, or being stereotyped to being a knee-gro can't use the term to associate themselves?

Because the caps works oh so well, the street goes both ways. :)

[diethx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqsDRQJesMI

omgomgomgomg go Rofolrofclrofflrofl

[diethx]

So two african-americans sharing in the lifetime experience of being hassled by the man, or being stereotyped to being a knee-gro can't use the term to associate themselves?

Because the caps works oh so well, the street goes both ways. :)

Yeah, pretty much. Also, lol at the lifetime experience of being hassled by the man. I think it's time we stop with that already, srsly. Especially when those two black guys sharing in that "lifetime experience" are teenagers who never experienced the true racism their grandfathers and great-grandfathers did.

And yes, I think it's fucking stupid that they are so offended by it, but they walk around calling each other those names all the time.

Edit: And these topics have nothing to do with each other. Gay is not by nature a derogatory term, just like black is not by nature a derogatory term. Fag IS derogatory, just like nigger IS derogatory.

[Some Rogue]

And I think that's bullshit. If it's so goddamn offensive, no one should use it in any form.

That's because most people aren't really offended. They're just looking for an excuse to get all indignant about something. I know we're raising a country of pussies where you can't spank your kids and we can't keep score at games because kids' feeling will be hurt and so on, but I refuse to believe people are really this sensitive about shit.

Look we've all heard shit growing up that was mean and wrong to say, but most of us just think the person who said it is an ignorant fuck and went on our way. But not anymore, someone hears something that hurts their widdle feelings and they have to start crying and run away. Grow a fucking pair and get over it. Words only hurt you as much as you let them.
:soap:

In conclusion, I think Dennis Leary said it best when he said, "whining fucking maggots."

[Stunseed]

So then the answer is to crack down on those who use nigga/nigger in a negative manner, not those who use it AT ALL BECAUSE IT IS NOT BY NATURE A DEROGATORY TERM, ffs.

I'm sorry, but you can't have it one without the other. For whatever reason, it is not a derogatory term to some of them, like gay isn't to some homosexuals.

I'm not either, so I can't pretend to simply toss my heart and soul into the arguement.

[CrystalTears]

I'm sorry, but you can't have it one without the other. For whatever reason, it is not a derogatory term to some of them, like gay isn't to some homosexuals.
Nigger is derogatory regardless of context. Dictionaries and Wikipedia state it as such as well.

[Methais]

Who are blacks gonna blame if Obama wins the election?

[Nieninque]

I'm sorry, but you can't have it one without the other. For whatever reason, it is not a derogatory term to some of them, like gay isn't to some homosexuals.

I'm not either, so I can't pretend to simply toss my heart and soul into the arguement.

I dont get the whole "OMG THEY USE THAT WORD SO WHY CANT I?" argument.
If you want to insult someone go ahead. Why be stuck to a particular word...unless you want to be racist or homophobic, then go ahead and use whatever word you want. Just dont go crying when people call you racist or homophobic.

[diethx]

That's because most people aren't really offended. They're just looking for an excuse to get all indignant about something. I know we're raising a country of pussies where you can't spank your kids and we can't keep score at games because kids' feeling will be hurt and so on, but I refuse to believe people are really this sensitive about shit.

Look we've all heard shit growing up that was mean and wrong to say, but most of us just think the person who said it is an ignorant fuck and went on our way. But not anymore, someone hears something that hurts their widdle feelings and they have to start crying and run away. Grow a fucking pair and get over it. Words only hurt you as much as you let them.
:soap:

In conclusion, I think Dennis Leary said it best when he said, "whining fucking maggots."

I so totally agree with everything you said.


I'm sorry, but you can't have it one without the other. For whatever reason, it is not a derogatory term to some of them, like gay isn't to some homosexuals.

I'm not either, so I can't pretend to simply toss my heart and soul into the arguement.

Uh, how about you quote me properly? I didn't say nigga/nigger wasn't a derogatory term. I said gay by nature isn't.

And sorry pal, but since nigger is derogatory by nature COMPLETELY UNLIKE the word gay, it doesn't go both ways. You can't use a derogatory term one minute, and then get upset when others use it. Stop using head-up-your-ass logic.

[NocturnalRob]

Who are blacks gonna blame if Obama wins the election?

Biden's white.

[Methais]

But Obama will still be THE MAN.

[DeV]

I always thought the government was "the man", not an actual, you know, person.

[Stunseed]

I dont get the whole "OMG THEY USE THAT WORD SO WHY CANT I?" argument.
If you want to insult someone go ahead. Why be stuck to a particular word...unless you want to be racist or homophobic, then go ahead and use whatever word you want. Just dont go crying when people call you racist or homophobic.


I could care less, but using a dictionary against slang words seems a bit out of reach/touch. I only used it in a comparison, which someone else came out and used my original point.

< That's because most people aren't really offended. They're just looking for an excuse to get all indignant about something. >

De-sensitization, which was my original statement. Doesn't mean the word is still great to use, which was also my intent with the usage of "nigga please". People still could very well get upset over either term, you're not them in any way, shape or form. Who are we in a general sense to tell someone else what not to get offended at?

That was the heart of my arguement, not semantics of a head-in-ass logical discussion.

[Methais]

I always thought the government was "the man", not an actual, you know, person.

If Obama was president during Katrina, you'd be right.

[Some Rogue]

And I'm saying, even if you do get offended at something, grow a pair and get over it.

[DeV]

but I refuse to believe people are really this sensitive about shit.

I agree with this.

By the same token I still don't understand why people of any race would question not being able to say a ethnically derogatory word. Black or white, it's a word with fucked up connotations regardless of the variation of its use and who its used by.

Black people who use the word, then QQ, need to STFU. And white people who question why they aren't allowed to use the word need to STFU. In the end, a word has as much power as you allow it to.

[DeV]

If Obama was president during Katrina, you'd be right.I'm always right.

[Skeeter]

If people were really that sensitive, insult comics like Lisa Lampanelli and Chris Rock wouldn't be so popular. They would be in jail.

[Stunseed]

And I'm saying, even if you do get offended at something, grow a pair and get over it.

Again with the I personally could give two shits less. It's not me you have to worry about, the whole point is the fact that Simutronics believes it to be a word with negative uses and the fact it is still toted as a family game means you might be saying it to someone who doesn't have a pair yet, heh.

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with Stan. Just use a different terminology if they're going to blast you for using gay. Or stop playing GS and head on over to runescape/wow/wtf-ever where they don't care. Really.

Or attempt to get Simutronics to drop the "family game" theme, which I believe now more than ever you'd have a shot at. Newer messaging is more adult-themed, more of the open environment is adult in style. Then you could shit-piss-fuck-cunt as much as you wanted.

[Nieninque]

I agree with this.

By the same token I still don't understand why people of any race would question not being able to say a ethnically derogatory word. Black or white, it's a word with fucked up connotations regardless of the variation of its use and who its used by.

Black people who use the word, then QQ, need to STFU. And white people who question why they aren't allowed to use the word need to STFU. In the end, a word has as much power as you allow it to.

Absolute cunts, the lot of them.

[Some Rogue]

By the same token I still don't understand why people of any race would question not being able to say a ethnically derogatory word. Black or white, it's a word with fucked up connotations regardless of the variation of its use and who its used by.

Black people who use the word, then QQ, need to STFU. And white people who question why they aren't allowed to use the word need to STFU. In the end, a word has as much power as you allow it to.

Haha, so true.

[ViridianAsp]

Honestly, I don't think gay is a terrible term. I know and have known gay people who call themselves gay, I've had family members who are gay and call themselves gay.

I don't think it's degrading unless you use it in a manner that's stupid. Like, "Dude, that is so gay.".

Personally this kind of use shouldn't be allowed in GS. It isn't in genre, okay, but I think it's stupid to get hell for it because you used it to validate or acknowledge someone's sexuality, while the game strives for IG reference, no one talks now like they did in the 15, 16 and 17 centuries. NO ONE.

Also, being a "family" game, if you asked my child who is in second grade what being gay meant, he could probably tell you. So, really I think that is the stupidest line from Andraste ever.

[Stunseed]

< Also, being a "family" game, if you asked my child who is in second grade what being gay meant, he could probably tell you. So, really I think that is the stupidest line from Andraste ever. >

Agreed.

[Sean of the Thread]

Absolute cunts, the lot of them.

hot

[B2]

Yet I had several different GMs send me sends when I badnamed Swishyhands for being a slur.

They said that one of the GMs is involved with the gay pride parade in San Fran every year, and she said it was fine.

Like eeeeeverything else in the game, it depends who sees what.

[Sean of the Thread]

rofl Swishyhands?

[LMingrone]

So we can use the word "gay" if we're referring to being "jovial"?

At least the GMs cleared it up that I'm OK saying "I'm so gay right now."

GAY TIME!

[Stanley Burrell]

So we can use the word "gay" if we're referring to being "jovial"?

At least the GMs cleared it up that I'm OK saying "I'm so gay right now."

GAY TIME!

You told me you'd invite me over for a pool party with hot chicks. Godammit, I am mad at the world.

How's life though/sup man?

[Methais]

So we can use the word "gay" if we're referring to being "jovial"?

At least the GMs cleared it up that I'm OK saying "I'm so gay right now."

GAY TIME!

Someone should seriously organize an event/group of players for this. Count me in.

[Town Square, Small Park]
Blah blah blah blah blah

458270942304 people just arrived.

X exclaims, "I just killed my first troll king. I'm so gay!"

X beams!

Y exclaims, "I'm so gay that you're gay!"

Y beams happily at X!

Z says, "I wish I could be gay like you guys, but I've had a pretty bad day."

Z sobs.

Y exclaims, "Don't you worry little camper, X and I will turn that frown upside down and make your day extremely gay!"

etc.

[diethx]

Someone should seriously organize an event/group of players for this. Count me in.

[Town Square, Small Park]
Blah blah blah blah blah

458270942304 people just arrived.

X exclaims, "I just killed my first troll king. I'm so gay!"

X beams!

Y exclaims, "I'm so gay that you're gay!"

Y beams happily at X!

Z says, "I wish I could be gay like you guys, but I've had a pretty bad day."

Z sobs.

Y exclaims, "Don't you worry little camper, X and I will turn that frown upside down and make your day extremely gay!"

etc.

You make me smile.

[Lumi]

I've said it twice already, but I'll go ahead and mention it a third time. I made a mistake by not looking in and seing what context it was being used in before giving him a SEND. I admitted that several pages back, more than once, and I'll admit it here again without pause. I will also say, once again, that had I not made that mistake and seen the conversation taking place, the SEND would not have happened. <Naionna>

If the other GMs would STFU and just agree with what the GM who ACTUALLY STARTED THIS is saying, the whole goddamn thing would be over and done with.

Consistency ftw.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

There was a skit on Bob and Tom years ago that did this exact thing. Like, "Hey check out the set of Narcissiia's on that broad." or
"Hey guys, I'll be right back, I gotta take a huge Falgrin."

LOL

[Methais]

If the other GMs would STFU and just agree with what the GM who ACTUALLY STARTED THIS is saying, the whole goddamn thing would be over and done with.

Consistency ftw.

What are the other GMs saying? Besides Andraste and her usual diarrhea.

[Mabus]

Who are blacks gonna blame if Obama wins the election?

http://antzinpantz.com/kns/images/Behead_Who_Insult_Obama.jpg (http://www.michaeldefeatssatan.com/)

[Legacyofpain]

I sent my reply to him via email:

I find it particularly patronizing that you had to say this:

>> I only brought up "can you hear me now?" to point out how much makes it into the game that's modern, and suspension of reality or not, we can live with it without the game breaking.

Discussing how you folks feel about various policies on the boards is the best way to try and get them updated and/or changed... so it's definitely encouraged.

~
GM Emeradan
GS4-EMERADAN@PLAY.NET
GemStone IV Forums
~
GemStone IV: One MMORPG to Rule Them All.
"Master of the Black Helicopters." -- BROWNA94

Your reply was totally emblematic of why the player base is shrinking. Think about it. All it would of taken was a deep breath to just not make that comment that single handedly let everyone know the whole player base could of voted 100% to 0% on disagreeing with the GMs decision on the gay reference. You didn't care. I'm sure you're eager to chalk it up to the rise of graphical games-but you've been competing with those for more than 10 years. Your lack of professionalism in handling your response (trust me, it was taken for what it was, a veiled threat if discussion continued) should be the corner stone of any of your competitors customer service teams mockery. No one here is asking for a democracy, but the mere threat of ever letting a GM just say they're sorry and were wrong on anything seems to send shivers down your spine. We understand that the game belongs to you, No one was questioning that. Your sheer fear was on wreckless display here.

I was looking forward to hero's journey, but I really can't stand to deal with this level of apathy arrogance and avarice amongst the game masters game host and game creators anymore. One more minute of solomon making a statement that should of just been kept to himself and I swear my brain will explode by sheer amazement of how inept customer service staff has been at simutronics for years. Trust me: robots could do a better job. What you're providing is WORSE than no customer service.

[Legacyofpain]

sorry, I went out. While I went out I realized i'd neglected to mention that even though I have asperger's syndrome, even I can tell the shit they're pulling is unprofessional. How many outburst like that is it going to take to drive everyone away? :wtf:

[Sean of the Thread]

Three pops for yes.

[Ignot]

Reading this thread from the beginning reminds me that the GM's mentioned must really believe that they are some type of King over a horrible, dying text based game. They are on a the worst kind of power trip and really feel like they can do no wrong. While I think it is okay to monitor certain words and game content I think the way they went about it on the officials and IG is absurd and unprofessional.

Edited: They are such douchebaggs.

[Mabus]

While I think it is okay to monitor certain words and game content
I am not for censoring words, and I find censoring "gay" as just plain stupid, that said...

...it would take about 3-7 lines of code (or close) added to the session input on says, songs, thoughts, whispers, emotes (acts) and other player input, and a list of words to compare, and they would not have to monitor anything.

1) Is it possible for the input to contain strings from the player that can end up in messages to other players.
2) If it can, check the strings for the substrings in this list.
3) Remove the substring or dissallow the string.
4) Message the session that a disallowed word was in the input.
(for those that do not know "strings" are a type of variable)

If these words are so "bad", why not a coded filter, rather then heavy-handed "enforcers" spying and waiting to pounce on paying customers?

It makes very little sense.

[diethx]

Or better yet, a total profanity filter which can be set up like a flag, that the individual player can turn on or off depending on whether or not they want to see curses and other "offensive" words. It's worked in other games, and I dunno why it wouldn't work in GS. That way they can stop Disneyfying half of the "objectionable" content (while ignoring the rest which is definitely not family-friendly), and let people make their own fucking decisions.

But then it would take away their iron-handed fun, right?

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/Nahtzee.gif

[Amber]

I really don't see what the big deal is. She sent a send saying basically "Hey, could you find another word to use, unless you're referring to him being jovial," apologized for taking the word out of context when she realized a player wasn't being disparaged, and now we're on our eleventh page of complaints.

[Some Rogue]

or third page.

[diethx]

or third page.

^

[CrystalTears]

I really don't see what the big deal is. She sent a send saying basically "Hey, could you find another word to use, unless you're referring to him being jovial," apologized for taking the word out of context when she realized a player wasn't being disparaged, and now we're on our eleventh page of complaints.
Because Emeradouche and Andraste have to have the last word on the subject, of which neither of them know anything about.

[diethx]

Because Emeradouche and Andraste have to have the last word on the subject, of which neither of them know anything about.

Exactly... it's not even about the GM that started this since she did write an apology saying she should've listened to the whole conversation before SENDing. It's about Emeradan and Andraste being their usual selves.

[Ignot]

I am not for censoring words, and I find censoring "gay" as just plain stupid, that said...

...it would take about 3-7 lines of code (or close) added to the session input on says, songs, thoughts, whispers, emotes (acts) and other player input, and a list of words to compare, and they would not have to monitor anything.

1) Is it possible for the input to contain strings from the player that can end up in messages to other players.
2) If it can, check the strings for the substrings in this list.
3) Remove the substring or dissallow the string.
4) Message the session that a disallowed word was in the input.
(for those that do not know "strings" are a type of variable)

If these words are so "bad", why not a coded filter, rather then heavy-handed "enforcers" spying and waiting to pounce on paying customers?

It makes very little sense.

I agree and the GM's never take the time to understand that we are paying customers! How about an apology for interrupting our gaming experience, but no they just blast in, "Hey stop saying that." Its rude. they need a lesson in customer service. I think everyone is upset over the how issue was handled and less on the actual issue.

It could have went down like this:

Douchebag GM: I apologize for interrupting your gaming experience but in what context did you mean to use the word "gay"?

Wonderful paying customer: as in he prefers the company of other men, but i did not mean it in a bad way

Douchebag GM: very well, i apologize for the intrusion. Have a great day and thank you for playing Gemstone IV

Would anyone still have an issue if it went down like this?

Instead we get this:

Douchebag GM: Bitch ass, you better stop saying "Gay" right now or else!

Wonderful Paying customer: excuse me? it wasnt meant to be a rude comment

Douchebag GM: Bitch you know who I is? Stop saying it!

Im fired up today, so maybe im overreacting.

[Some Rogue]

Except, he did mean it as homosexual but not as a slur.

[Ignot]

Except, he did mean it as homosexual but not as a slur.

ah, fixed.

[Methais]

I agree and the GM's never take the time to understand that we are paying customers!

This is probably due to the fact that they're not paid employees. They're just....employees.

[Ignot]

This is probably due to the fact that they're not paid employees. They're just....employees.

Damn. your right. I guess we are stuck with them. well, at least i got to watch the garbage day clip again.

[Warriorbird]

Most of the below minimum wage folks are fine...some, not so much.

[Methais]

Damn. your right. I guess we are stuck with them. well, at least i got to watch the garbage day clip again.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/tak1lg-1-1.gifhttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/tak1lg-1-1.gifhttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/tak1lg-1-1.gifhttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/tak1lg-1-1.gif

[Warriorbird]

I want to find some place that streams that shit. I want to see the whole movie.

[xao92k]

Next time just use the word homosexual and when given a warning be like, "Sorry I was told the word "gay" was inappropriate". Then when they claim to outlaw it completely give them this link http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/adb/ll_adb.nsf/pages/adb_homosexual and tell them to go fuck themselves. Or this http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/gayrights.htm if you're American.

[Gelston]

And Simu would say fuck off based on...

Boy Scouts of America v Dale is analyzed on the "Right Not to Associate Page." The basis for the Court's decision that the Boys Scouts have a right to exclude gays was the First Amendment's implied recognition of the right of an expressive organization to exlude members who might undermine the group's goals or expressive purposes.

They are a privately owned entity, not a Governmental agency.

[Furrowfoot]

Three pops for yes.

You're a hoot, that's what you are.

[Tilnam]

Simu is gay.

[xao92k]

And Simu would say fuck off based on...

Boy Scouts of America v Dale is analyzed on the "Right Not to Associate Page." The basis for the Court's decision that the Boys Scouts have a right to exclude gays was the First Amendment's implied recognition of the right of an expressive organization to exlude members who might undermine the group's goals or expressive purposes.

They are a privately owned entity, not a Governmental agency.

No but Governmental laws still apply.

[Jenisi]

Pretty sure they've let homosexual couples get married through paid (god) weddings.

[CrystalTears]

They're not against homosexuals, just in the use of the word "gay". That's all that conversation was about.

[LadyKiora]

Oh Thank the Gods, because Kiora, isn't gay, she just enjoys the company of both men and women. For the record Kiora has been married twice to another woman, both being "god weddings" of course both where also prior to the new premium system.

[SHAFT]

too much gay in this thread. One of you ladies show some boobage.

[Garnet Doyle]

I swear I used to see someone who had a shirt or some kind of alteration that said "I'm gay" or words to that effect on it. It was either here or dragonrealms, and a much smaller percentage (vs GS) of DR alterations have "Quoted words" put in them.

[Emislity]

I was asked to post this log here

~Discussion about Gay and Lesbian being modern.


>
Nordred says, "Now i just needa find a wizard."
>
Speaking to Nordred, you say, "My fiance's not here, sorry."
>
Nordred says, "Knocks ya up and runs off.."
>
Nordred says, "Surprised ya still marrying him."
>
Speaking to Nordred, you ask, "You'd rather support me and the baby?
>
You say, "Then I should prolly marry him."
>
Speaking to Nordred, you say, "He’s been here during the entire pregnancy. I'd marry him, but I think he's gay." [This was a sarcastic remark to Nordred, not meant for Edgeleaf to be offended.]
>
Nordred snickers at you!
>
Adamina laughs at you!
>
(OOC) Adamina's player whispers, "LOOL."
>
(OOC) Adamina's player whispers, "That was funny."
>
SEND[Andraste] Let's find another, less modern, more in-genre way to refer to someone's sexuality, thanks."
>
report gay means happy in the dictionary! However it was a JOKE
>
SEND[Andraste] In that context, I don't believe you were referring to his happiness :)
>
report you never know!
>
SEND[Andraste] Actually, I think I have a pretty fair idea of it, and let's not continue this discussion in REPORT, since... it's not a discussion. Find another word, or make sure you are referring to someone's state of merriment."
>
You ask, "I want to know when that became such a horrible thing to say actually?"
>
You ask, "There are several lesbians, what is so wrong with being gay?"
>
Emislity just appeared.
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Obvious exits: none
>
Andraste says, "One, if you were listening to my send, it's OOC."
>
Andraste says, "Modern."
>
You ask, "Is it?"
>
Andraste says, "Not in-genre."
>
Andraste says, "Yes."
>
You ask, "Then how do two men in this game, proclaim their love for one another, if it's not gay?"
>
Andraste says, "I said find another way to say it, so find another way to say it."
>
Andraste says, "There are plenty of ways."
>
Andraste says, "Second, don't continue to discuss via REPORT or aloud in the game... if you have a point you want to make, ASSIST to discuss it."
>
Andraste says, "You know much better than that."
>
You say, "I'll make sure I report everytime I see someone acting OOC. I'm sure that will keep you guys busy for HOURS."
>
Andraste says, "Actually, we do ask people to let us know when someone is being disruptively OOC."
>
You say, "I wasn't being disruptive."
>
You say, "No one there complained, and had anyone spoken to me there, I'd have apologized."
>
Andraste says, "And considering you've had 19 OOC reminders, 6 soapings, and 8 warnings, I'm guessing you know the difference."
>
You say, "Aside from yourself."
>
Andraste asks, "What part of my SEND to you do I need to repeat or explain further?"
>
Andraste says, "That it's OOC is one."
>
Andraste says, "That the way it was used could be considered a pejorative, is another."
>
You smile at Andraste.
>
Speaking to Andraste, you say, "I'm clearly stupid and don't know what you were implying or saying."
>
Andraste says, "And, as I said, if you want to discuss it, then you go the proper route and ASSIST."
>
You say, "Pointless to assist."
>
Andraste says, "Not discuss it via REPORT."
>
You say, "I'm speaking to a GM right now."
>
Andraste says, "Not discuss it aloud, being further OOC in public."
>
Andraste says, "Yes, but not for the purpose of getting a clearer explanation."
>
Andraste says, "You're here because you persisted in being OOC, after receiving a reminder to be less so."
>
Andraste asks, "Any other questions?"
>
You say, "Actually, I'm here because you were bored and felt the need to explain it further. I already told you it was a JOKE, secondly I wasn't disrupting anyone else but that little "ping" or whatever you get when the vulg word comes along."
>
Andraste says, "I'm sorry you see it that way, but you're wrong."
>
You say, "Ok."
>
You say, "I"m wrong."
>
Andraste says, "You're here precisely because you continued to discuss an OOC issue aloud."
>
Andraste says, "After being reminded by a GM to be less so."
>
Speaking to Andraste, you ask, "Do you have a problem with men whom are gay?"
>
Andraste says, "Not at all, I have a problem with modern words being used in the game, especially in a way that can be interpreted as a pejorative."
>
Andraste says, "Which I have explained three times now."
>
You say, "I just cannot believe you pulled me up here over a WORD where actual people in this game RP being GAY."
>
You say, "Pejorative or not, it is happening OOC."
>
You ask, "So why am I the one being punished for it?"
>
Andraste says, "Roleplaying being involved in a same sex relationship can be done, without using modern words..."
>
You say, "If you're going to pull me up, you should pull up those that are RPing the GAY."
>
You say, "But they DO use the modern words."
>
Andraste says, "Or other people using those words as a pejorative."
>
You say, "Lesbian/gay/lovers."
>
Andraste says, "Lovers isn't modern."
>
Andraste says, "Lesbian and gay are."
>
You ask, "What is the NON-modern word for lesbian please?"
>
Andraste says, "And there are a myriad of ways to discuss it without being modern."
>
Andraste says, "Lover of women... or as either Jay or Bevan suggested..."
>
Andraste says, "One who prefers stamens more than pistils."
>
You say, "I've NEVER seen anyone refer to their lesbian/gay actions as bevan or jay or pistils/or stamens."
>
You say, "When they RP they use the term lesbian/gay SOMETIMES even lovers."
>
Andraste says, "They actually suggested those on the forums when we had a lengthy thread about it."
>
You say, "However thank you for this prep talk, I'm sorry I reigned on your parade tonight."
>
Andraste says, "Which has nothing to do with this conversation."
>
You say, "Perhaps the next time we speak it won't be under such unfortunate circumastances."
>
Andraste says, "Again, it has nothing to do with me... it has entirely everything to do with you."
>
Andraste says, "Have a lovely night, Emislity."
>
Andraste waves.

[SayGoodbye]

This is sad, but I side with Andraste in regards to that interaction.


Edit: To clarify I don't side with Andraste over the whole, gay straight issue. I side with her over dealing with Emilisity.

[Necromancer]

Hrm...I have a hard time believing that any GM would sanction someone for mentioning being "straight" in the game. And that's even more recent a notion than gay is.

[Methais]

Hrm...I have a hard time believing that any GM would sanction someone for mentioning being "straight" in the game. And that's even more recent a notion than gay is.

Try it in game and find out.

[Warriorbird]

When I get annoying crap like that I tend to mention in game light switches and ice skating rinks. They just want something to feel important about.

[Nieninque]

You could have shortened your log to:


Speaking to Andraste, you say, "I'm clearly stupid

And we would all have agreed.

[Faent]

Wow. Apparently a necessary condition for being a GM is having an IQ below 75. Andraste, Emeradan and Naionna are so unbelievably fucking retarded it's not fair to make fun of them. Maybe they need rehab for their meth habits? Goddamn losers. (So I'm not fair. Fine.) These fucktards think it's policy that you can't speak English in Gemstone? You have to speak another language, like Old English, instead? The three of these fuckers probably think gays have SSAD: Same Sex Attraction Disorder. They're just cloaking their bigotry and ignorance behind linguistic claims only an incompetent boob would make. Call them what they are: BIGOTS.

[Joe]

You could have shortened your log to:



And we would all have agreed.

QFT

[joehollywood]

can we all just agree to use the term "wand rider" and be done with it?

perfectly in genre...

rod waggler and pole forger are also acceptable in game terms

[Sweets]

Emislity made Andraste look good.

[CrystalTears]

Emislity made Andraste look good.Agreed.

[Nieninque]

Emislity made Andraste look good.

She also makes vegetarianism look good.

[Tisket]

aannd...3....2....1....

<Sean2 posts roast beef pic>

[diethx]

Wow. Apparently a necessary condition for being a GM is having an IQ below 75. Andraste, Emeradan and Naionna are so unbelievably fucking retarded it's not fair to make fun of them. Maybe they need rehab for their meth habits? Goddamn losers. (So I'm not fair. Fine.) These fucktards think it's policy that you can't speak English in Gemstone? You have to speak another language, like Old English, instead? The three of these fuckers probably think gays have SSAD: Same Sex Attraction Disorder. They're just cloaking their bigotry and ignorance behind linguistic claims only an incompetent boob would make. Call them what they are: BIGOTS.

Naionna is awesome. She already apologized for the whole situation and said she should've watched the situation more carefully before getting involved. I dunno what else you could ask from her. Mistakes are made but at least she's not so full of herself that she can admit when she's wrong. And i'd say she's far from a bigot.

Andraste and Emeradan are another story altogether, though. Can't argue with you on that front. Except I doubt Andraste is a bigot, you know, considering she's a lesbian irl.

[ViridianAsp]

Andraste and Emeradan are another story altogether, though. Can't argue with you on that front. Except I doubt Andraste is a bigot, you know, considering she's a lesbian irl.

What I don't get is how they are on people about using gay, but people use Okay all the goddamn time, that isn't IC...Okay is a modern word.

I've probably slipped a few times and said Okay...but still, if they are going to point out that gay is modern we all use a ton of words that are modern in game.

[diethx]

What I don't get is how they are on people about using gay, but people use Okay all the goddamn time, that isn't IC...Okay is a modern word.

I've probably slipped a few times and said Okay...but still, if they are going to point out that gay is modern we all use a ton of words that are modern in game.

I agree with you, i'm sure there are plenty of modern words used IG that they don't freak out about. Why they've zoned in on this one is beyond me.

[droit]

I agree with you, i'm sure there are plenty of modern words used IG that they don't freak out about. Why they've zoned in on this one is beyond me.

Not defending it, but it's probably because of the common usage of gay as a derogatory term in today's society.

[diethx]

Not defending it, but it's probably because of the common usage of gay as a derogatory term in today's society.

Well then why not crack down on that usage of the term? Andraste made it clear by what she said to Emislity that you can use the word gay if you mean happy. So why not be able to use the word gay if you mean homosexual, and just disallow the usage of the word when it's used to mean lame?

[Augie]

I agree with you, i'm sure there are plenty of modern words used IG that they don't freak out about. Why they've zoned in on this one is beyond me.

Considering they made bobbleheads, shorts, and a whole plethora of stupid modern items, it's so true that they freak out over a simple word and let those things get by.

[Methais]

Except I doubt Andraste is a bigot, you know, considering she's a lesbian irl.

http://memeparty.com/i/m/70461ef0ccdd2f2d838dd9a7b738839b.jpg

[TheLastShamurai]

that picture hurtses the eyeses!

[Inspire]

Crybaby.

[Some Rogue]

This all you got after my 8 years of posting? You are such a fucking tool.

You have more than this is 6 months.

[TheEschaton]

Jesus, I almost read this whole post from the beginning. Then I saw a post from Nein, and I thought, this is weird.

Then I saw a post from Ignot, and I was like, well, he definitely hasn't posted here in years....yep, a necro bump, awesome.

[Inspire]

Some Rogue has been complaining and trolling for years and year and years.

[TheEschaton]

SR, why is he necroing all your threads?

[Some Rogue]

He's trying to draw attention away from his scamming by pointing out others who do it too.

I called him on it and now hemad.

[Tgo01]

SR, why is he necroing all your threads?

I think Inspire is waging a war against everyone on here who 'trolls' him but no longer plays the game. He's doing this to prove he's not a dick anymore.

[Cephalopod]

That makes perfect sense.

[Inspire]

Smart edit SR.

I'm totally a scammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!


When I EXCHANGE for SILVERS because I don't take cash from PC people anymore, I'm secretly stealing your bank routing and account number and emptying your bank account!!!


But hey, all you people who don't even play the game anymore, please keep trying to hold me down. It's working so well. In the mean time, while you're all pointing your finger at me, people are running scams in the background and getting away with it. While you idiots join the circlejerk of hate on me.

Good job failwagon!

[audioserf]

The way Inspire starts digging up 5 year old threads when someone makes him sad is super creepy, on some "Criminal Minds" shit

[Inspire]

Now I've got to dig on you Gondain. Geesh, can't you just stay out of it.

[Soraen]

Interesting read though.

[Inspire]

Interesting read though.


Hi IW. How are you today?

[Some Rogue]

http://www.forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=63118

[Soraen]

Hi IW. How are you today?

Hm? I believe you may have my confused with someone else.

Sorry about that.

[AnticorRifling]

Smart edit SR.

I'm totally a scammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!


When I EXCHANGE for SILVERS because I don't take cash from PC people anymore, I'm secretly stealing your bank routing and account number and emptying your bank account!!!


But hey, all you people who don't even play the game anymore, please keep trying to hold me down. It's working so well. In the mean time, while you're all pointing your finger at me, people are running scams in the background and getting away with it. While you idiots join the circlejerk of hate on me.

Good job failwagon!

Raise your hand if you have to edit and delete your posts to try and cover up the fact that you're a scammer douche.

Raise your hand if you've got to have more than one posting name on the PC just to try and complete a transaction because you're such a shitty character.

Raise your hand if the second you're caught doing something wrong you try and deflect, project, or lie to get out of it then throw an absolute bitch fit about it whenever it's brought up.

Raise your hand if you want to be treated like a special little princess and you cry and complain about how other board members treat you but it's totally ok if you distrupt the boards over and over and over because you're a snowflake.


Inspire your hand should be up for every one of those.

When people have to auto-quote your shit because you can't keep your word, let alone let it go undeleted/editted you know you're a douche.

[Inspire]

There are better threads about me than that one. I'm sure it will be linked shortly.


LOL at Anticor. It's awesome when the Mod/Admin for a game forum doesn't even play the game and only trolls other posters.

[AnticorRifling]

Interesting read though.

How is D.J. Robber doing?

[Soraen]

I don't understand. If he's a nuisance, why is he still here? Is he avoiding a direct breach of service terms? Is he here for kicks?

Sorry. I just don't understand.

[AnticorRifling]

There are better threads about me than that one. I'm sure it will be linked shortly.


LOL at Anticor. It's awesome when the Mod/Admin for a game forum doesn't even play the game and only trolls other posters.

I don't play in the NFL but I'm still interested in it....excellent point.

Telling the truth and trolling, two different things. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your "IM THE VICTIM HERE ZOMG" schtick.

[Inspire]

There are more people that like me than don't.

I'm sorry that the handful of you circlejerkers who no longer play the game don't care for me. Go find some other message board for something that you actually partake in.

These are the GS4 Players Corner message boards. For players of the actual game. Not trolls with no life and nothing better to do than harass actual players of a game.

[Soraen]

How is D.J. Robber doing?

Fine?

[AnticorRifling]

I don't understand. If he's a nuisance, why is he still here? Is he avoiding a direct breach of service terms? Is he here for kicks?

Sorry. I just don't understand.

He's on his way out.

[Inspire]

He's on his way out.

Yep, then I'll have to turn into IW.

Because you can't equally enforce the rules.



It's ok to harass other people, as long as Anticor likes you and he can participate in the hate alongside you.

[AnticorRifling]

There are more people that like me than don't.

I'm sorry that the handful of you circlejerkers who no longer play the game don't care for me. Go find some other message board for something that you actually partake in.

These are the GS4 Players Corner message boards. For players of the actual game. Not trolls with no life and nothing better to do than harass actual players of a game.

False.

I'm sorry you're here as well.

I remember all that valuable input you added when these forums were created...oh wait.

Feel free to go do some text skinning to support your weed/pill habits I'm sure that doesn't fall under having no life at all.

[Soraen]

I feel like I ruffled some feathers.

Sorry.

[Some Rogue]

False.

I'm sorry you're here as well.

I remember all that valuable input you added when these forums were created...oh wait.

Feel free to go do some text skinning to support your weed/pill habits I'm sure that doesn't fall under having no life at all.

HOW COME YOUR QUOTE DOESN'T MATCH HIS POST???

[AnticorRifling]

Yep, then I'll have to turn into IW.

Because you can't equally enforce the rules.



It's ok to harass other people, as long as Anticor likes you and he can participate in the hate alongside you.


Let me quote this victim gem.

[Jhynnifer]

I think Inspire is waging a war against everyone on here who 'trolls' him but no longer plays the game. He's doing this to prove he's not a dick anymore.

Its totally working. :forehead:

[Inspire]

LOL, Anticor finally gets to release some rage. Do you feel better yet?

[AnticorRifling]

LOL, Anticor finally gets to release some rage. Do you feel better yet?

I almost feel bad for you if that's considered "rage".

Guys I said LOL that means I am 4 kidding.

[Inspire]

Let it all out. It's ok Anti-roidrage.

[audioserf]

Now I've got to dig on you Gondain. Geesh, can't you just stay out of it.

Dirt on me is probably related to me asking dumb and bad mechanics questions or generally trolling people. I'm kind of boring

[Inspire]

Dirt on me is probably related to me asking dumb and bad mechanics questions or generally trolling people. I'm kind of boring

That's why I don't pick on you, you don't really matter because you don't really bother anyone.

[audioserf]

cheers mate

[AnticorRifling]

That's why I don't pick on you, you don't really matter because you don't really bother anyone.

Ahh it all makes sense. That's the only way you "matter" so that's why you try so hard to bother everyone.

[AnticorRifling]

Let it all out. It's ok Anti-roidrage.

Sweet name callin brah, you're good at this!

[Liagala]

That's why I don't pick on you, you don't really matter because you don't really bother anyone.
So that's what this is all about. You're desperate to think you matter, so you bother as many people as possible. It all makes sense now. Please see my sig, thx.

[AnticorRifling]

So that's what this is all about. You're desperate to think you matter, so you bother as many people as possible. It all makes sense now. Please see my sig, thx.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1346291&postcount=188

[Inspire]

Just helping you all realize how pathetic you are to stalk a message board and troll players in a game you don't even play.


Why are you unable to walk away?

[Keller]

Now I've got to dig on you Gondain. Geesh, can't you just stay out of it.

I always thought Inspire was a dude, but this is the most pristine example of female logic I've ever read.

Step 1. Become attention whore by bumping old threads.
Step 2. Get upset when people pay attention.

[audioserf]

As a prominent player of Internet MUD game Gemstone IV by Simutronics, I

[AnticorRifling]

Just helping you all realize how pathetic you are to stalk a message board and troll players in a game you don't even play.

Why are you unable to walk away?


We're friends that have played GS, WoW, SC, DnD, Eve, EQ, etc together for YEARS. We still talk and share the same interests. You might need to go update your livejournal about how mean it is.

The "you don't even play" argument is horribly stupid, always has been and always will be. This isn't the officals.

Here let me add your edit to your quote so I can answer it. Because I enjoy the laughter I get from the bullshit banter of people that share the same interests as me?

[Inspire]

We're friends that have played GS, WoW, SC, DnD, Eve, EQ, etc together for YEARS. We still talk and share the same interests. You might need to go update your livejournal about how mean it is.

The "you don't even play" argument is horribly stupid, always has been and always will be. This isn't the officals.

No, worse. It's the unofficials about the game and you guys hang on to it for dear life. You can move on, it will be ok.

If you need e-friends, that's what facebook is for.


Please edit your posts more so you seem intelligent you stupid thundering rhino-cunt.

Have you seen anything yet that you can ban me for? I know you're desperately searching for something you can use so you're not a complete fucking hypocrit.

[Rinualdo]

Why are you unable to walk away?

Quoted for irony.

Honestly, with as much as you depend on these boards to sell to other people to support your habits, I think you'd be a bit less enthusiastic for picking a fit you stand no chance of winning and only exacerbates you getting kicked off this forum.

[Drew]

The 4 steps of your weekly Inspire meltdown:

Plan of revenge: Bump old post/make new post/whine about moderators

Rage when plan not well received: Accuse people of trolling/Not playing the game anymore/Unfair moderations/bandwagoners

Equivocate: Hey a lot of people are worse than me/Lots of people like me, maybe as high as 50%

Panicked attempt to "return to the herd" with self depreciation when he realizes this has all backfired again: say "LOL" then something like "at least I got Nienique posting again", "at least Anticor was able to work out his rage issues"

[Hulkein]

A lot of people who post here don't actively play GS anymore. Is this a shock to you, Inspire? Do you not understand that people may still be interested in posting on the boards because of relationships they have made and for the general entertainment this group of posters provides?

[Inspire]

I like how every troll the PC has has come to share their 2 cents.

[Atlanteax]

people may still be interested in posting on the boards ... for the general entertainment this group of posters provides?

Like today's meltdown?

[Some Rogue]

We're friends that have played GS, WoW, SC, DnD, Eve, EQ, etc together for YEARS. We still talk and share the same interests. You might need to go update your livejournal about how mean it is.

The "you don't even play" argument is horribly stupid, always has been and always will be. This isn't the officals.



Interesting fact. There are more posts in the Socializing section than in all the GS related sections...by about 150k.

[Drew]

I always thought Inspire was a dude, but this is the most pristine example of female logic I've ever read.

Step 1. Become attention whore by bumping old threads.
Step 2. Get upset when people pay attention.

I was composing my steps before I saw this post, sorry for inadvertently ganking your idea.

[Some Rogue]

I was composing my steps before I saw this post, sorry for inadvertently ganking your idea.

Was step one Cut a hole in a box?

[Inspire]

Was step one Cut a hole in a box?

And step 2 is service glory hole.


He's got a AAA BBB rating!

[Hulkein]

Please answer the questions presented:


Do you not understand that people may still be interested in posting on the boards because of relationships they have made and for the general entertainment this group of posters provides?

[Rinualdo]

Somehow I find this relevant.




Against my better judgement I'm going to write the following and tell you the truth about my life.

I'll start by saying that I'm a very private person. I grew up a Jehovahs Witness and unless you were part of the church you were considered to be a "worldly" person and a bad person. So growing up I had no friends because I was not allowed to play with anyone outside of the church.

When I became a teenager I found Gemstone and got hooked. It was an escape from a life that I didn't agree with. I was only allowed to play for an hour here or there and spent most of my time being a twat dragging bodies out of TSC to decay and whatnot. But having a place where I could be someone different than who I was forced to be was salvation.

Eventually I got out on my own and came back to GS. I played on and off for a few years, never really making any close friends. I was part of the Trophy Room gang when Debia, Jubuls, the original Tijay, Xak, etc used to hang there.

Anyway, fast forward about 9 years from there and it brings us to last year. I guess I should also tell you that I am a 28 year old bisexual male, I'm not a girl but it's sometimes fun to play around. I have been in a relationship for 4 years now with someone I care about very deeply. Unfortunately that person had a drinking problem and it got out of control. One night he decided to swallow a tube of pills and drink himself to death. I woke up at 4am to find him barely breathing. I called 911 and they rushed him to the hospital where he stayed for awhile. He went into rehab from there and got help for his drinking problem but I wasn't alright. His suicide attempt affected me in ways that I wasn't prepared for. I became severely depressed myself and sunk into gemstone like a tick. It was getting harder and harder for me to get out of bed in the morning and I started missing more and more work. I eventually was let go, which made me sink even further into GS.

Thankfully I was able to make silvers in the game and sell them to the PC community. Had it not been for all of you, I wouldn't have made it over the last year, financially or mentally. That is also part of the reason why Myklians changing was hard on me. I was using gemstone to survive and to pay my bills. It became a full time job. When Myklians were changed I realized my life was about to become much more difficult and I freaked out. I was already in a bad place because of the suicide attempt and I no longer knew how to deal with anything.

So where does that leave me now. Unfortunately I have a drug problem. I smoke marijuana every day. I don't like taking pills to be normal, so I turned to drugs to stabilize my mood and help me feel better. Most of the time I am alright, but every now and then I turn into an ugly monster, which is what you see from time to time on lnet.

So, this is the mess that is my life. Feel free to make fun of me now in typical PC fashion. I'm sorry if I have insulted you personally. Please know that it wasn't personal if I went off on you. I have a lot of problems that I don't know how to deal with or overcome. I have become someone that I don't want to be, so I am sorry if I have affected you negatively because of it.

[Inspire]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dsQWlo4hKFg/TTOalS7tGVI/AAAAAAAAAIg/olrzYLpqmLg/s400/67+Midget+Stripper.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Doing a midget is still on my bucket list.

[Inspire]

Doing a child is still on my bucket list.

That's disgusting.

[audioserf]

Nah mate it makes you're dick look bigger.

[Inspire]

Nah mate it makes you're dick look bigger.

Creepy.

YOUR creepy, no I mean YOU'RE, wait, is it YOUR? I'm confused!

[Gelston]

Inspire, you do realize what you are doing is trolling right? Like... TO THE MAX!!!! EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!

[Inspire]

Possibly. Can you troll, trolls?

Can a troll troll, if a troll could troll a troll?

[Sean]

I'm still trying to figure out how Anticor has censored Inspire or in an official capacity treated him any different from other posters. That being said I don't think it's too difficult to figure out when Anticor is posting as a moderator and when he's posting as a board member. If the rules to be a moderator included never posting your personal opinions no one who posts here would want to moderate it.

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly you're just circlejerking.

[Some Rogue]

Possibly. Can you troll, trolls?

Can a troll troll, if a troll could troll a troll?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc

[Ceyrin]

Just to play devils advocate. When shattered was released, they made a whole new folder just for them...

I would argue nobody who is 'in shattered' plays Gemstone anymore.

[Isstyle]

I suggest using the term HETEROSEXUALLY CHALLENGED. I think I'll go put that on the officials.



Well then, since I don't see gays getting pissed when straight people say gay, why isn't it ok for non-blacks to say nigger then?

Logic indicates that gays are tougher than blacks.


Would it be wellington of me If I said I love you
but only as my hero?