Girl Topic (Men Avert your eyes or do not complain later)

[GSLeloo]

Ok so since there's nothing else to post, out of sheer boredom and pain I will ask a question of the wise women of PC.

Today I have been having like throbbing pain. If you go from your right hip halfway in towards your crotch, it's right there. Now my mom is thinking that it is a fibroid (a non-cancerous tumor on your ovaries). My dad says I am too young to have a fibroid.

I also have PCOS, which is polycystic ovarian syndrome. So essentially I cysts on my ovaries. My friend Gena has something similar and she says her cysts pop.

There is one last thing this throbbing could be, according to my birth control pills I am supposed to start my period Sunday so maybe it's coming early and this is from that.

My question is this. One, has anyone else felt a similiar pain to this? And since I am going to the gyno Thursday is it worth bringing it up and maybe having to have gross tests done? I don't want a medical diagnosis, just a woman's opinion.

[HarmNone]

Do you have any nausea with this? How about temperature? Do you feel generally sick, or is it just the pain that is bothering you?

HarmNone

[peam]

Christ.

[GSLeloo]

I have felt like I was going to throw up all night and off and on hot and then freezing.

[HarmNone]

Okay, hon. Your appendix is over there, too...unless you have already had that removed. It might be a good idea to get checked out at an ER.

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

No my appendix hasn't been removed... Wouldn't I know if it was my appendix? I thought that would be a sharp stabbing pain. This is just a throbbing one.

[HarmNone]

Appendicitis does not always cause sharp pain. If it does, it is usually pretty far advanced. It usually starts with a more diffused, dull ache, hon.

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

You were warned Peam!

And I checked upstairs and my mom is at work and my dad went to bed so... if it still hurts I'll talk to my mom about it tomorrow and I'll ask the gyno on Thursday.

[HarmNone]

If it gets worse, hon, you might want to wake up your dad. Appendicitis is nothing to ignore! :)

HarmNone

[Halfsilver]

If you have symptoms of an infection, chills, fever...I'd agree with Harmnone.

I had the same symptoms, and had to have my appendix removed. Started with a dull ache in my lower right abdomen and just got progressively worse. Definitely might wanna look into that. I think they do a white blood cell count test or something to see if you have an infection.

[GSLeloo]

Yeah but.. it's nearly midnight. What am I supposed to do?

[Vesi]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Yeah but.. it's nearly midnight. What am I supposed to do?

Wake up one of your parents or someone and have them take you to the ER . My husband thought he had the flu and I made him go to the doctor. If he had waited another two days like he was planning, it would have killed him.

Appendicitis is the first thing I thought of when I read your symtoms.

Vesi

[Edaarin]

Morbid curiosity forced me here. I think I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now. 12 hours of classes today totally butt fucked my brain.

[Overlord]

Ovarian Cysts suck (Though they are fairly common), fluid filled sacs that grow on the ovaries. They tend to typically occur with regular changes in hormone levels and can disapear without treatment over time. Large ones do tend to cause sever abdominal pain however and sometimes surgerey is needed to remove them. What does your doctor have to say on the subject?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Yeah but.. it's nearly midnight. What am I supposed to do?
Appendicitis is really really lethal, so get on over to the ER. :)

[Halfsilver]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Yeah but.. it's nearly midnight. What am I supposed to do?
Appendicitis is really really lethal, so get on over to the ER. :)

LOL don't scare the shit out of her. It's only very lethal if it's allowed to get out of hand.

I'm sure a night's rest won't hurt. Just be sure to go first thing in the morning.

[Drew2]

Ironically, my 9 year old brother had his appendix removed 2 weeks ago tomorrow. From what I learned about it, symptoms include nausea, pains in the area you described, fever, etc.

If the pains go away, and it is appendicitis, that means your appendix burst and um... yeah... that's very bad.

[SpunGirl]

Yeah, I've had appendicitis too. Granted it was when I was 11 and that was 12 years ago, but I remember it well and it was exactly as Leloo described.

Being as it's very late and she's not around, I wish her luck if that's what it is. She's lucky - now they do it with a laser or some shit and it's a simple procedure. When I had mine done I was all cut up. The nurse told me my appendix looked like a giant white cheeto.

If it's allowed to burst, that's bad.

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

<<(a non-cancerous tumor on your ovaries)>>

Tumors are cancerous.

[MaryJane]

Not all tumors are cancerous.

I sometimes get the same thing you are talking about the week before my period. I'll have hot flashes, start sweating, get the chills, feel sick. etc. I've passed out at least five times in the last ten years. In highschool my dad thought I was on drugs when he found me on the hallway floor.

You should mention it to your doc cause they can change your birth control. It could just be major cramps. Since it only happens to me not too often, there's really nothing they can do. Cause your period is so close, that is probably it.

I also have cysts on my ovaries, which can cause the pain as the eggs pass... I would mention it to your doc. I highly doubt it's your appendix, and if it was you'd be in more pain.

Leloo your parents are not Doctors
make them take you to it checked out, or go yourself
also go get your eyes checked by a Eye Doctor.
that is all

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Edine
Leloo your parents are not Doctors
make them take you to it checked out, or go yourself
also go get your eyes checked by a Eye Doctor.
that is all

Guess grammar wasn't a importance to get into a eye school.
</couldn't help it>

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't have any other advice or knowledge of the situation other than yeah, you should see a doc. It's pretty well after the fact now though..hope everything's alright. Update??

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Not all tumors are cancerous.>>

Yes they are. Malignant and benign tumors are cancerous, however one spreads and the other is dormant.

[GSLeloo]

Well I called my mom before I went to bed. She works nights at a place for mentally handicapped children and there were nurses and they got out a book and looked it up. We took my temperature, it was 97.9 so I didn't have the fever, I jumped and didn't collapse, it didnt' hurt when I pushed it in, and I wasn't curled up and puking. They said it's most likely my ovaries and not my appendix.

This morning it wasn't throbbing although it has been aching when I stood up and stuff. I've been having pains around my eyes and dizzy spells but at the moment my stomach doesnt' ache like it did last night. We go to the gyno Thursday so maybe she can tell us something.

[GSLeloo]

http://www.fibroids.net/



Uterine leiomyomas, commonly known as fibroids, are well-circumscribed, non-cancerous tumors arising from the myometrium (smooth muscle layer) of the uterus. In addition to smooth muscle, leiomyomas are also composed of extracellular matrix (i.e., collagen, proteoglycan, fibronectin). Other names for these tumors include fibromyomas, fibromas, myofibromas, and myomas.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Not all tumors are cancerous.>>

Yes they are. Malignant and benign tumors are cancerous, however one spreads and the other is dormant.

Incorrect. Not all tumors are cancerous. Cancerous tumors are malignant. Benign tumors are non-cancerous.

I could point you to various internet sites to further your education, Bob, but I shall refrain. However, it would be to your advantage not to endeavor to educate others in a field in which you have insufficient knowledge.

HarmNone

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Benign tumors are non-cancerous.>>

Cancer: This is now a general term for more than 100 diseases that are characterised by uncontrolled, abnormal growth of cells.

I'd call a tumor an abnormal growth of cells, therefore it is cancerous.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
I'd call a tumor an abnormal growth of cells, therefore it is cancerous.

Well with that use of the word, so is stupidity.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Benign tumors are non-cancerous.>>

Cancer: This is now a general term for more than 100 diseases that are characterised by uncontrolled, abnormal growth of cells.

I'd call a tumor an abnormal growth of cells, therefore it is cancerous.

What YOU would call it is not relevant here, Bob. What IS relevant is how medical science defines the word "tumor".

HarmNone

[Bobmuhthol]

Oh? A tumor isn't a growth?

Edited to add: My source misspelled characterized lolz.

[Edited on 1-21-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[HarmNone]

Umm...Bob, you are not making any sense. A tumor is an abnormal growth of cells. However, cancerous tumors are malignant...meaning that they can invade other cells. Benign tumors are non-cancerous and do not invade other cells.

Now, please. Stick to what you know, eh?

HarmNone

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm not making any sense? Let me explain.

1. Tumors are abnormal growths.
2. Cancer is an abnormal growth.
3. Cancerous means IT'S FUCKING CANCER.
4. Cancerous: of or relating to or affected with cancer; "cancerous growth"
5. Therefore tumor = growth, and cancer = growth.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Oh? A tumor isn't a growth?

I just realized that Bob is sort of like Stray. Except Stray usually has facts to back up his trolling.

Though I do commend Bob for not overusing the word "fuck" in his comments.

[GSLeloo]

LoL... so a dog is a four legged furry mammal. A cat is a four legged furry animal. Therefore a cat==a dog.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm not comparing two different things, that's the problem. A dog and a cat are both mammals. Cancer and tumors are both cancerous. You suck at logic, and I can't go into it any further out of respect for my brainz.

[GSLeloo]

Bob I think you are temporarily out of it. Just because they are the same type does not mean they are the same thing. A fibroid has nothing to do with cancer. Think of it as a pimple. It's a bump and it's not exactly supposed to be there but it truly won't cause much harm and eventually, hopefully, it will go away.

[Bobmuhthol]

Right. A benign tumor doesn't cause any harm, but it's still a nice collection of cancer.

[HarmNone]

By the Grove, Bob! You are freaking WRONG! I took a minute to get you a link. I refuse to spend more time on it. Go here:

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/18443-1.asp

Now read something and learn from it!

HarmNone is not having anymore of your talking out of your bloody ass! :mad:

[Bobmuhthol]

No, the website is wrong.

[Skirmisher]

For someone who really isnt stupid Bob, you do a fine imitation at times.

[Sean]

why does it matter? common folks :(

[Overlord]

Erm as far as my phisology professor is concerned a begnin tumor is a harmless cancerous growth. *shrug*

[Bobmuhthol]

HAHA I WON.

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Tumors are cancerous.

Not all tumors are cancerous.

[Bobmuhthol]

50% of this thread is that debate, which is now over. You're a little late and also incorrect.

[HarmNone]

No, Bob. Late or not, she is correct. The "explanations" you have given (and that which Overlord was given) are simplistic in the extreme. There is a great deal of new study going on with regard to cell replication and what mechanisms can lead to those cells turning malignant (cancerous). Those who are currently active in the field are aware of it.

[Latrinsorm]

Isn't it obvious?

Bob needs to be hugged again. I nominate BlueBerry.

[Bobmuhthol]

My answer is simple, so I'm wrong? Here's a simple thought:

I'm right.

[HarmNone]

I did not use the word "simple", Bob. I said "simplistic". Those two words are NOT synonyms.

Your approach is simplistic. It fails to recognize significant points with regard to cell replication and cancer-causing mechanisms. The cells in the stomach might begin to proliferate in such a way as to cause a mass to form. If the mass remains in the stomach, and continues to contain only cells that belong there, it is not cancerous. It may be removed, or it may be left alone. It is known as a benign tumor.

If, however, those cells are activated by one of a number of known, and theoretical, events they can begin to change and to expand outside the stomach... through the bloodstream, or through invasive growth. Now, the tumor is cancerous.

I shall not continue this "debate", as it is counter-productive. I stepped in only because I did not believe that someone who was concerned about her health needed to hear pronouncements concerning cancerous growth from someone who knows little, if anything, about the subject.

HarmNone is finished now

*Edited to remove a duplication*

[Edited on 1-22-2004 by HarmNone]

[Bobmuhthol]

Cancerous: of or relating to or affected with cancer

A tumor is cancerous because it is affected with cancer. Try calling that simplistic.

[Edited on 1-22-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Drew2]

The suffix "ous", by definition, means "having a particular quality" as in "dangerous" or "religious".


The cells in the stomach might begin to proliferate in such a way as to cause a mass to form. If the mass remains in the stomach, and continues to contain only cells that belong there, it is not cancerous. It may be removed, or it may be left alone. It is known as a benign tumor.

As HarmNone stated, a tumor can form with no sign of any form of cancer. Therefore, since the tumor has no "quality of" cancer, it is not cancerous.

[Bobmuhthol]

The quality of cancer is that cancer, like a tumor, is a growth of cells.

[Drew2]

drew cantu: dictionary cancer

ZolaOnAOL:
can*cer n 1 cap : a zodiacal constellation between Gemini and Leo usu. pictured as a crab 2 cap : the 4th sign of the zodiac in astrology; also : one born under this sign 3 : a malignant tumor that tends to spread in the body 4 : a malignant evil that spreads destructively -- can*cer*ous adj -- can*cer*ous*ly adv

drew cantu: dictionary malignant

ZolaOnAOL:
ma*lig*nant adj 1 : INJURIOUS, MALIGN 2 : tending to produce death or deterioration <a ~ tumor> -- ma*lig*nan*cy n -- ma*lig*nant*ly adv -- ma*lig*ni*ty n

I believe HarmNone stated that the growth of cells was not harmful, since they are generally supposed to be there anyway. So, since it's not harmful, it is not cancer.

[Bobmuhthol]

Rachel Pwnz: Stop being fucking lazy and look it up myself.
Internet: Gladly.

This is now a general term for more than 100 diseases that are characterised by uncontrolled, abnormal growth of cells.

[Drew2]

General term, yes. But that does not imply it is technically or always correct.

Please admit you were wrong. Then I will stop.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'd have to believe I'm wrong first.

[HarmNone]

Heh. Tayre, Bob has his head set, and that head is not amenable to dynamic adjustment. ;)

HarmNone, with tongue somewhere near cheek

[GSLeloo]

Oh! Someone somewhere asked me a question.

So I went to the gyno the first time last year because I was having a very erratic cycle, getting my period about twice a year. She immediatly diagnosed me with PCO and put me on the birth control pill and that is all that was said about it.

So finally one night early this summer I looked it up on the internet. What I found were pictures of ovaries covered in cysts. It scared the crap out of me and then I kept reading and found them saying that most women with it can't have children and have to have parts of their ovaries removed.

I always wanted to have a kid one day, one thing I knew and reading that totally killed me. Finally we go back to her, I even had the website printed out, and she totally brushed it off. She was just like you shouldn't believe what you read on internet and all you have to do is take some pills to have a kid and it'll all be fine.

So I guess it sounds peachy.. but she never mentioned cysts bursting and it sort of bothers me that she never really looked, you know? Oh well.

[Latrinsorm]

Change doctors. Or at the least get a second opinion. Nothing worse than a doctor like that. (Well there are some things worse)

[HarmNone]

Latrinsorm is right, Leloo. Do get a second opinion. In fact, I would say that to anyone who is diagnosed with a condition they do not fully understand, or that leaves them frightened and insecure regarding their health.

Always, get a second opinion!

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

Well we just may because those doctors happened to drop our insurance, Aetna. So now tomorrow my parents will be paying full price because they said it's worth it for me to go to a doctor I feel comfortable with.

[Ravenstorm]

Lesson one...

Doctors are not gods. Doctors do not give forth divine decrees.

Lesson two...

Doctors are not doing you any favors. Doctors are there to serve YOU. They work for YOU.

Conclusion...

ALWAYS ask questions. Ask till you are fully satisfied you understand whatever condition you are diagnosed with. Ask till you understand fully any medication you are prescribed. Ask till you are satisfied that you are aware of the pros and cons of anything and everything that concerns you.

If the doctor is not willing to give you that time and information - the time and information you are PAYING for - find a new doctor. It is your body, your health and your money.

Raven

[MaryJane]

I agree that if you are not happy, get a new doctor, (and follow Raven's post), but I had cysts as a teen, and I now have a kid.

When you read things like that on the internet, if you search more you'll find a totally contradicting story to go along with it. Take Bob's and Tayre's posts as perfect examples. I think that ovarian cysts are more common than most people think. I know alot of women who have them. Hopefully when you go to the doc, they can explain it a bit better this time.

[GSLeloo]

I actually just got back from the gyno and she said that pain the other night was a cyst bursting. The pain I felt when I moved the next day was the fact that there was liquid still there irritating my body and it'll all be absorbed into the body by probably tomorrow. At least now I know what that was.

[HarmNone]

OOch! Well, I am glad to know what it was, hon. Hope you feel better now. :)

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

Thank you. And I do feel a bit better.

[Myshel]

Since this is a girls only topic (which seems men couldn't stay out of anyway) whats your fav beauty tip?

[Vixen]

Okay so I am a bit late here... I also have PCO, and didn't even know it till I had a cyst rupture early last year or somesuch. Its definitely scary.
And I havn't had once since, or even a twinge of pain. So try to rest easy and I hope you are feeling better soon.

Favorite beauty tip.. actually I have never tried this one, but hearing it makes me chuckle... The preparation h thing on the bags under your eyes?

Does it work? You gotta wonder about puttin that stuff near your eyes.. but I have never used it so...

J.
(unusually talkative)

[Miss X]

Oooh, yay tips! If anyone doesn't own a YvesSaintLaurent radiant touch then go and buy one now! They work miracles on dark circles and dull patches of skin!

For dry skin, a vitamin A cream is great, I got one from Poland thats really pure, its a bit greasy but if you put it on before you sleep you wake up with lovely soft skin.

I also always keep my eyeliner in the fridge so that its hard and I can get a line thats as straight as poss.

Ok, one last thing before I shut up, this is an old thing but I think it holds true, if your gonna go for heavy eye make up, tone down lips and vice versa. Too much make up is never a good thing!
Vx

[Pierat]

You cant say girls only, thats the first post a guy will read! Who knows WHAT it could contain, Oh! the mystery!
If you really wanted us to stay out you have to unfortunatly be more specific. Warning: Female topic that will gross out guys. Then we "might" stay out.

Of cource... theres always the risk factor that you might be talking about something good and covering up for it saying that its gross and hoping we will stay out, so youll still get guys looking in.. .. I guess theres just no getting rid of us

Now to be usefull, ive lived with appendicitis for years and it still hasnt killed me! Oh wait, no thats epidurmus.... Ok so I had my appendix out. But ive also been in charge of hospital runs at work for kids for years, I take em in for everything to stiches to broken limbs to... Appendicitis! And after having it, and seeing about 5 cases on children in my care, I can also tell you that besides for not knowing exactly why we get it, there are also no "set" rules for symptoms.
Dull ache, to sharp pain, everyones pain tolerence is different, if you started in the night you might wake up to sharp pain. Sometimes it only feels like a stomach ache.

Heres Pierat's rules for the ER.
1- If its something different you havent felt before, and your not sure, time to go in. Its not worth the stress of not knowing and having to search around for answers.
2- If its getting worse not better and youve allready considered option 1, go in "now"
3- If your really really unsure and cant make up your mind which one to do, you can always set up a "emergency doctors visit" ive done it a few times for borderline cases.
4- trust your gut feelings, if your worried enough that your posting on this board, do yourself a favor, even if its heartburn, go in, calming, be chill, just go in so you feel better


-Pierat out!

[GSLeloo]

My doctor said like.. if when you poke it it hurts as your finger is removed then it is the appendix or if you jump and collapse... what else. Vomiting and fever.