I just got beat up twice and a free ride home courtesy of Pinellas County Sheriffs.

[Sean of the Thread]

Bad day bad night.


This guy said I disrespected his wife by commenting on her glassless yesterday. I just said they were sharp. /end

Tonight him and his buddies decide to corner me and have a talk. They're wasted obviously. For the cornering I did what any smart person in survival mode did I emptied my pint on the floor and held my glass down.

We got passed that. An hour later he I'm out back having a smoke reflecting on my day and he confronts me. I don't stand up. Then he chokes me. All on camera. I don't respond. All on camera. About 30 seconds I was starting to see stars. I decide not to do shit leave things as they are.


Next step calls me a pussy for not responding. I told him I could have my hand on a blade the entire time. He fucking goes nuts and sucker punched me about 4 times.

This is all on camera all I did was deflect the blows the best I could. I'm not going to work over this guy because I don't need a VOP from the refusal to blow shit.

This guy screaming all over the bar that he's going to kill me and I'm never gonna live blha blah blah. I just sat and chilled.

Cops come. I'm actually sincerely scared of this guy as in connections and I know who he knows. So I said initially "no sir nothing happened" which really pissed him off.

After he got an attitude with me over it I said fine I'm filing a report and want an investigation. Obviously he was more pissed but hey.

So they go in and look at the tapes of ME SITTING IN A CHAIR GETTING CHOKED and the tape of me getting slammed on by this fucker and not fighting back.

They came out I said I want to prosecute the fucker. They said OKAY but you're going down for disturbing the peace if that's your decisioin..... W T F.


They said all the witnesses were on either side. But seriously ON CAMERA I have this guy and a circle of friends choking me down. Then hours later him popping me in the head while someone was holding me from behind.

Cops said if you're so scared of him why didn't you leave two hours ago. I told them because I'm an adult and I can control myself and i was certain the situation was diffused.

Anyways I got screwed. At least they gave me a courtesy ride (mr hard ass did) after I told them I was gonna make the establishment pay for a cab.

Bottom line is I did nothing wrong and got physically fucked twice ON CAMERA without fighting back with multiple death threats with tons of witnesses.

Options? I know by the witness statements that everyone is scared of this guy as well. But I have the evidence.. is a disorderly conduct charge worth putting this guy in jail and if he has priors it gets bumped to a felony and he's in for 6 months at least.

[Warriorbird]

Y'know... I wouldn't normally suggest this... but you might be one of the people that prepaid legal would be good for.

[diethx]

Jesus man it's like this shit follows you around.

[Sean of the Thread]

If I knew they weren't gonna let me put charges on the guy I would have whooped his mother fucking ass.

And yes I have a shit cloud.

And yes SO and kids are not home still and I've called everyone and everywhere except the police or hospitals.


And yes I have a wannabe soprano dago up my ass and I can't believe they didn't want to do anything about it.

Dago with heart <3 I'm a paddy so nobody get pissed.

[Sean of the Thread]

And yes my jaw and head hurts.

[Celephais]

Shit man... I want to buy you a pint.

[Seran]

Your disorderly conduct would assuredly get thrown out if the video evidence shows that you simply did nothing. The officer, who most assuredly doesn't want to do the paperwork, or goto a trial, simply wishes to scare you into dropping it.

Meanwhile, no one has the right to infringe on your liberty, or pursuit of happiness. That the individual attacked you a second time proves his assault was premeditated, and each of those around would easily be arrested for being a party to the assault.

[diethx]

Shit man... I want to buy you a pint.

:yeahthat:

:(

[Sean of the Thread]

Your disorderly conduct would assuredly get thrown out if the video evidence shows that you simply did nothing. The officer, who most assuredly doesn't want to do the paperwork, or goto a trial, simply wishes to scare you into dropping it.

Meanwhile, no one has the right to infringe on your liberty, or pursuit of happiness. That the individual attacked you a second time proves his assault was premeditated, and each of those around would easily be arrested for being a party to the assault.

They told me it was my fault for not leaving after the first battery if I was so scared of him.

But I got the same feeling... they were just scaring me but you know what sometimes that's enough. Especially in my situation. One deputy was cool the other two were cocks even tho the one gave me a ride home and he was the biggest dick.

He was even apologetic when he passed my house on accident. I dunno what to say right now.

[Warriorbird]

Not speaking as a lawyer that sounds ridiculous. Get a lawyer.

[Sean of the Thread]

Should I get the tapes? Do I have a right to them?

The owner is a long time (dick head) friend and I just called him and he asked me not to come in on fridays or saturdays because that guy will be there.

[Warriorbird]

Once again not speaking as a lawyer:

Don't the tapes seem like a useful thing to have if you know the owner? I don't believe you are entitled to them unless things progress further however. There shouldn't be any reason why you are obligated to 'flee to prevent a battery.'

[Sean of the Thread]

Sounds reasonable to me. The cops reviewed the tapes so they said but it seemed awfully fast.

Oh fuck it who cares I'm going to suck it up I'm leaving town soon anyways. Who needs a roommate?

[Celephais]

Sounds reasonable to me. The cops reviewed the tapes so they said but it seemed awfully fast.

Oh fuck it who cares I'm going to suck it up I'm leaving town soon anyways. Who needs a roommate?
... Didn't nien say she wanted a roommate...? :)

[Warriorbird]

With that not speaking as a lawyer bit...

Seems like a bad plan for getting to see the kids. You need to appear stable. They're your girls, man, and if you've done anything right in your life it seems like you've been a good Dad.

[Nauriel]

Ok royally fucked up..but may I point out one thing? PINELLAS! county(this is where I giggle and and make bad jokes because its half the problem) ..ok so I can't say much since Manatee isnt much better but still.

Hope you find the girls dear, just keep your head cool and dont be tempted to beat on any pinellas cops(they really sound like winners, har)..though I hear Hillsbourgh is a good option ;)

[Zentoph]

Ok royally fucked up..but may I point out one thing? PINELLAS! county

:(

I love Pinellas!!!!!!!!!!

[Sean of the Thread]

Pinellas is the most dense and urban county in the state??

So I don't get it.

[Nauriel]

hear that? WHOOOOOOSH!!!! thats you missing my jab on the law forces in said county, not the county itself. Though I did throw in some light teasing on poor pinellas.(we ALL know what bay area county is the best):heart: ..im just bitter cause I get to go drive up to clearwater today ;)

[Asha]

Jesus Christ man. Sorry shit is really kicking up for you lately.
I've no clue what you can do about the losers you've posted about but it makes me feel better (been in your situation) knowing that they'll do it to someone who'll probably stab them in the neck one day.

Chin up though, mate.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hey man, sorry things are so fucked for you right. If you are serious about a place to crash you can hit my guest room a few nights if you want. Not looking for a roommate but if you just want out of town for a weekend or something lemme know.

[TheEschaton]

To reiterate what WB said, with the same caveat that I'm not a lawyer:

You were absolutely correct in saying you have no obligation to leave the bar to possibly prevent a future battery you don't expect to happen. If you press charges, the police should get the tapes as a matter of the course of their investigation, then you can get them in discovery through a motion to compel discovery of evidence.

If they don't get the tapes, I'd surely argue it was a lack of proper investigation, especially if they've already seen the tapes and the evidence on them, and didn't both to collect them.

-TheE-

[Gan]

Sean2, I'm going to say this with the utmost respect as a friend.

You need to move, get your life straightened out, get stable (personally and professionally), and work on gaining custody of your kids.

If she wants to have the kids for now - fine. Let her, and hire a PI to keep tabs on them while you build your case for custody. For now, a judge is going to look at how unstable your personal life is (and how fucked up) and not even consider any evidence that your wife is the same.

I would like to seriously ask you to consider the question of whether or not your behavior and lifestyle does not encourage your 'rain-cloud' from following you around (like the only places you go are where there are rainclouds?).

Short term, being without your children will SUCK. Long term - if you really want custody then you have a mission to get on towards getting them back. You've got to use your head (for something other than a punching bag) and set up a plan. Change your lifestyle (ie - give the bars and drinking a break and work on improving yourself through more time invested at work or improving yourself with community college).

You remind me of my step-brother. Good guy, good intentions, but a fucked up decision making capability. Every decision he had to make was the wrong choice.

If your children can not be a motivator for you to focus, then nobody can help you.

[Parkbandit]

Damn.. you have had a streak of bad luck.. and it doesn't get any better tonight when McNabb throws for 3 TDs and 300+ yards, and you lose to me at FF.

Just piling on :)

[Sean of the Thread]

Thanks guys. All true and taken to heart.

[Parkbandit]

Thanks guys. All true and taken to heart.

SO You ADMIT you are going to lose fantasy football tonight! AHA!

[Sean of the Thread]

It's a possibility.

Sean1 already destroyed me with a stud day in the money league.

[BandaorICE]

:rofl: PCSO rocks. I'm having a hard time believing that is all that happens, because that's NEVER all that happens. Did the tapes have audio? If not things could have been said. Witness' could have made statements against you saying you antagonized it. Also, if you felt threatened, should have left the scene and went on your way. I don't know the facts, I didn't see the tapes. The weakest man is not the one walks away, that's the smartest man.

[Sean of the Thread]

I LOVE THE PCSO don't get me wrong. But I know what happened last night and it's not ok with me.

I did the right thing and did not fight back. And I'm feeling it this morning. I didn't call the police.. I've said it all no need to say it again. What I said happened is an direct and actual description of what occurred minus a few other bad details from the female deputy.

And much love to the PCSO.. I'll take them over the Clearwater or Stpete police ANY DAY and I have friends in all three.

Forget about Tarpon jack offs.

[BandaorICE]

You did definitely do the right thing by not fighting. I'm not exactly sure the statue of limitations on this, but does it really matter? He will probably be charged with misdemeanor assault and spend a couple months in jail, if that at all. It wouldn't be considered in the three strikes law. I would just call it a bad night and tell the story to the grand kids later. If there were serious bodily harm, then the charges would change.
On a side note, while most cops may seem like a hard ass, it's what their profession requires. ANY sign of weakness and a suspect can play off it.....and then there are those cops who take it too far. Like life, every profession has it's bad apples.

[Sean of the Thread]

You did definitely do the right thing by not fighting. I'm not exactly sure the statue of limitations on this, but does it really matter? He will probably be charged with misdemeanor assault and spend a couple months in jail, if that at all. It wouldn't be considered in the three strikes law. I would just call it a bad night and tell the story to the grand kids later. If there were serious bodily harm, then the charges would change.
On a side note, while most cops may seem like a hard ass, it's what their profession requires. ANY sign of weakness and a suspect can play off it.....and then there are those cops who take it too far. Like life, every profession has it's bad apples.

I know this and respect it.

If the guy had any priors he'd be in deep shit that's why I DIDN'T call the police I don't want to fuck up anyones life. What happened was wrong and I was just chalking it up to a bad night and a story for the PC.

They have enough for battery on him but would only do it if I got tagged for disorderly conduct for being an unwilling participant which is bullshit.

Anyways it's over. I told them after really being basically coerced into not pressing charges "Yes sir" "May I have a courtesy ride home I'm only a 2 minute drive" He was cool enough to do that for me even tho I had to be spread obviously and look like I was off to jail in front of everyone.

They were all fine deputies and I've known (not personally) and seen the one guy around a lot I assume because of his relationship with the owners that I've been a patron of both of their establishments.

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh one more question since they said they're going to follow up with this guy talk to him about what happened and that I'm not pressing charges and even delayed them by not cooperating to allow him to leave..

Just in case should I take pictures of my wounds? Or do anything to document what I can?

[grenthor]

This sounds exactly like the kind of crap that happens at Nickel City all the time. Never a dull moment there. :rofl:

[TheEschaton]

lol @ coupla months for a misdemeanor A&B.

Unless he has an extensive criminal record (and I'm talking, like, 3+ guilties on violent offenses).

[Sean of the Thread]

lol @ coupla months for a misdemeanor A&B.

Unless he has an extensive criminal record (and I'm talking, like, 3+ guilties on violent offenses).

He's got priors and obviously violent. When the first asked me if wanted to press charges I said why? so he can do 10 days and come out more pissed off?

They said uhm no he's looking at quite a bit more time. The was two counts of A&B verified and assault that all would have been bumped to felonies for the priors. Him saying "I'm going to kill you with a 4 inch blade and cut off your two inch dick" was enough to put him away right away on top of the other charges.

I didn't go there.

For once I'm actually proud of myself. I sat there and didn't beat the shit out of someone for the first time in my life. I remained calm and followed directions.

<---did something right for once.

[BandaorICE]

If it were me, I'd document all the evidence you can. Get a criminal record of the other party. Contact a lawyer if it looks long. But I ask, is it worth it? Is fighting this worth the court fees and time spent? It's apparent the state is not pressing charges, so it's you proving your case and him proving his. He is clearly committing battery:

784.03 Battery; felony battery.--

(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:

1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or

2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

(b) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who commits battery commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) A person who has one prior conviction for battery, aggravated battery, or felony battery and who commits any second or subsequent battery commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this subsection, "conviction" means a determination of guilt that is the result of a plea or a trial, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld or a plea of nolo contendere is entered.

And he can be put in jail for up to but not exceeding 1 year, depending on what the official charge is:

775.082 Penalties; applicability of sentencing structures; mandatory minimum sentences for certain reoffenders previously released from prison.--

A person who has been convicted of a designated misdemeanor may be sentenced as follows:

(a) For a misdemeanor of the first degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 1 year;

(b) For a misdemeanor of the second degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 60 days.

EDIT:: I just read your post after posting mine....I'd press charges on him and fight your charges..you'd spend minimal time for disorderly...depending on YOUR record.

[Bokertal]

I know this and respect it.

If the guy had any priors he'd be in deep shit that's why I DIDN'T call the police I don't want to fuck up anyones life. What happened was wrong and I was just chalking it up to a bad night and a story for the PC.



One attack, maybe move on. I've had my share of stupid bar scuffles...but two?! and he sought you out? I can not believe that you are not crucifying this SOB. YOU are not f'ing up his life HE is doing that all by himself. What's it going to take to get him off the street? Murder? Christ.

[BigWorm]

You should know by now that the criminal justice system is fucked up. A lot of times the results are far from fair. But as messed up as it can be sometimes, our system is a hell of a lot better than the rest of them.