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Gan
09-11-2008, 08:51 AM
By: David Paul Kuhn and Bill Nichols
September 11, 2008 06:51 AM EST

Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.

“It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.”

Joe Trippi, a consultant behind Howard Dean’s flash-in-the-pan presidential campaign in 2004 and John Edwards’ race in 2008, said the Obama campaign was slow to recognize how the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate would change the dynamic of the race.

“They were set up to run ‘experience versus change,’ what they had run [against Hillary] Clinton,” Trippi said. “And I think Palin clearly moved that to be change [and] reform, versus change. They are adjusting to that and that threw them off balance a little bit.”

A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”

Adding to Democratic restlessness, McCain has largely neutralized some issue advantages that have long favored Democrats.

This week’s USA Today/Gallup poll reported a split on which candidate “can better handle the economy”; 48 percent chose Obama while 45 percent said McCain. In late August, Obama had a 16-point edge on the issue.

Also this week, an ABC News/Washington Post poll reported that when voters are asked “who can bring about needed change to Washington,” McCain still trails Obama by 12 points. But in June, McCain trailed by 32 points.

That shift in the public’s perception of the issues, in Democratic pollster Celinda Lake’s words, “tremendously concerns me.”

Lake joined other Democratic veterans, some speaking not for attribution, in emphasizing a classic liberal woe: that the Democrat let the Republican define him.

“Obama needed to define himself,” Lake said. “I do think that during the Democratic convention we should have done a better job of defining McCain.”

Steve Rosenthal, a veteran field organizer for Democrats and organized labor, said that some entrenched Democratic vulnerabilities never receded this year. And in his view, Palin has reawakened those liberal weaknesses.

“For some white, working-class voters who don’t want to vote for Barack Obama but weren’t sure about McCain, Palin gave them a good reason to take another look and consider supporting McCain,” Rosenthal said.

“On the one hand, it could be a temporary reshuffling of the deck,” he added. “And on the other hand, it underscores the deep-seated problems we have in this race with race, class and culture.

“In some ways, you play the cards you’re dealt,” Rosenthal continued. “There is a good amount of time left for Obama to make ‘the connect.’”

Asked if partisans in his state are worried, New Jersey Democratic Chairman Joseph Cryan responded: “Absolutely, absolutely. It’s a ‘sit up straight and listen’ kind of thing.’”

While Obama’s campaign is “a little bit off-balance,” Cryan added, “that’s okay. Campaigns ebb and flow."

Like Rosenthal and Cryan, most of the Democrats interviewed for this article, both on and off the record, expressed confidence that the landscape this year tilts in favor of a Democratic victory and that Obama has plenty of time to retake command of the race. Many predicted that any bounce in polls caused by Palin’s selection could be followed by a plunge as her record and qualifications continue to be scrutinized.

Still, a wide range of conversations with Democrats yielded several reasons to doubt that Obama is quite the political natural — or the November shoo-in — that some of his most ardent supporters believed.

Among the problems:
Obama’s Summer Doldrums: After his months of exhausting trench warfare with Clinton ended in June, Obama faced a delicious opportunity — to further define himself to the American public and hone a transcendent message in advance of the August Democratic convention.

Yes, McCain’s campaign had enjoyed months of free kicks at the Democrats after the GOP primary race ended and the Obama-Clinton steel cage match continued. But most of those months were spent with the McCain camp in severe disarray, both on message — Phil Gramm’s “mental recession” comes to mind — and in campaign tactics, such the infamous green backdrop at his June 3 speech in a New Orleans suburb.

Yet the latest polls — and the seeming ability of Palin to instantly transform this race — would seem to indicate that voters got no overarching message from the Obama campaign other than he is a gifted, even inspirational political performer who aspires to change the country. The economic message Obama is now scrambling to hammer home was either absent or mixed in with a variety of other topics.

The thing voters likely remember most from the period is Obama’s July trip to Europe — a trip that prompted the McCain campaign’s focus on the issue of elitism and celebrity and that some Obama campaign officials now privately acknowledge was a mistake.

Did the Obama team spend this period quietly building up formidable ground operations in all 50 states? Possibly — and no one could question the fundraising prowess that makes this 50-state strategy possible. But as the campaign frantically tries to combat Hurricane Sarah with a meat-and-potatoes economic message and an effort to identify McCain and Palin with an unpopular president, it seems logical to conclude that its chance of success would be greater if that thematic strategy had begun months earlier.

There are also some doubters, by the way, about whether it is wise to be trying to expand the national playing field as broadly as Obama is seeking to — as opposed to putting chips on a select number of undoubted swing states.

“Their 50-state strategy is insanity,” said Schoen. “If they don’t use their financial advantage where they need it most,” he said, citing states from Ohio to Nevada, “and put every thing there and blow it out, they are at deep risk of losing.”

Forgetting the lessons of 1992:
One of the certainties of American politics is that it is hard for Democrats to win presidential elections without a deep connection to Main Street values and economics. That would seem doubly true for Obama, given the unstated but undeniable barrier his race presents in certain areas of the country. And few nominees have ever had such an inviting target as the economic record of the Bush administration — from a ballooning federal budget deficit to higher unemployment rates to a mortgage crisis that could be the most menacing fiscal threat in decades.

McCain has shown little interest in economics throughout his career, and Palin’s limited budgetary experience comes in a state that relies heavily on earmarks from Washington and the largesse of Big Oil. The primary economic cure voiced by the GOP tickets is more tax cuts and an unspecific pledge to be tough on congressional earmarks. Perhaps the only economic solution given prominence at the St. Paul convention was a push to allow domestic coastal oil drilling.

Yet still, the Obama campaign seems to be struggling to find a consistent, cohesive economic message. One can understand why aides would not want to muddy his mantra of change and his image as a post-partisan, revolutionary figure. But blue-collar voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and Michigan likely won’t vote for Obama because of some meta-narrative or a series of fabulous speeches.

“The [Obama] campaign is beginning to look like other campaigns,” said a former top strategist for past Democratic presidential campaigns, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “Obama is struggling with working-class whites just like John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis did, and Walter Mondale. He’s struggling with voters in the border-state South. And he’s struggling with an enormous wind at his back, a hatred for George Bush and a mainstream media that is little short of a chorus for his campaign.”

Clinton, of course, was the only one of these Democrats to actually win the struggle. As he could tell Obama, voters want to know how their lives would be bettered by an Obama presidency in very specific terms. This connection (along with independent Ross Perot) is what powered his upset run against George H.W. Bush in 1992.
Clinton probably would have offered Obama that advice personally months ago — but the two men were scheduled to have their first campaign-year meeting on Thursday, just over 50 days from Election Day.

The Expectations Game:
Anyone who thinks the presidential election should be a layup for Obama should remember that Democrats have broken the 50 percent barrier in presidential elections only twice since 1944.

Did Obama himself forget?

Even if he didn’t, he let a narrative take hold in the news media and among many of his own supporters that led to expectations that he should be far ahead, leading to disappointment when he isn’t.

“A lot of Democratic elites thought this was a slam-dunk. And I thought, no it’s not,” said Lake, the pollster. “People in this town were already measuring drapes. And I was thinking, have you been in the real world lately?

“If you have been involved in campaigns, you thought it was going to be close for a year,” she added. “And I think a lot of Democratic elites are waking up to that.”
Alexander Burns, John F. Harris and Avi Zenilman contributed to this story.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13357.html

Gan
09-11-2008, 08:56 AM
“On the one hand, it could be a temporary reshuffling of the deck,” he added. “And on the other hand, it underscores the deep-seated problems we have in this race with race, class and culture.


Are the authors (or Democrats) already setting up excuses for a loss of Obama can not pull off a win in November?

For every person I can think of who is not voting for Obama because he's (half) black - I can also think of the same number who are voting for Obama because he is.

Face it - the American public has a large percentage who vote on either one issue or a non-issue if they vote at all. Dont use race as an excuse should Obama not win in November.

Warriorbird
09-11-2008, 08:58 AM
I think declaring a loss for Obama when he's only as far down as McCain has been (1-2 points) is equally as stupid as the people declaring a loss for McCain. It is still way too close to call.

I've said and continued to say that.

crb
09-11-2008, 10:59 AM
I red an article in USA today I think it was yesterday that pointing out that now Obama is having trouble raising money too. That predicted it very unlikely that he'll be able to match what he could have gotten with public financing.

Fallen
09-11-2008, 11:11 AM
I red an article in USA today I think it was yesterday that pointing out that now Obama is having trouble raising money too. That predicted it very unlikely that he'll be able to match what he could have gotten with public financing.

Who believes this? That seems odd considering the mountains of money he was managing earlier.

NocturnalRob
09-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Who believes this? That seems odd considering the mountains of money he was managing earlier.

yeah, i don't see how that could possibly be true.

Gan
09-11-2008, 11:41 AM
I red an article in USA today I think it was yesterday that pointing out that now Obama is having trouble raising money too. That predicted it very unlikely that he'll be able to match what he could have gotten with public financing.

This is the article. I saw it too.



Straining to reach money goal, Obama presses donors


After months of record-breaking fund-raising, a new sense of urgency in Senator Barack Obama's fund-raising team is palpable as the full weight of the campaign's decision to bypass public financing for the general election is suddenly upon it.


Pushing a fund-raiser later this month, a finance staff member sent a sharply worded note last week to Illinois members of its national finance committee, calling their recent efforts "extremely anemic."


At a convention-week meeting in Denver of the campaign's top fund-raisers, buttons with the image of a money tree were distributed to those who had already contributed the maximum $2,300 to the general election, a subtle reminder to those who had failed to ante up.


The signs of concern have become evident in recent weeks as early fund-raising totals have suggested that Obama's decision to bypass public financing may not necessarily afford him the commanding financing advantage over Senator John McCain that many had originally predicted.


Presidential candidates in a general election have typically relied on two main sources of money: public financing, along with additional money their parties raise. In choosing to accept the public money, the McCain campaign now gets an $84 million cash infusion from the United States Treasury.


McCain is barred from raising any more money for his own campaign coffers but can lean on money raised by the Republican National Committee, which has continued to exceed expectations.


Meanwhile, Obama campaign officials had calculated that with its vaunted fund-raising machine, driven by both small contributors over the Internet and a powerful high-dollar donor network, it made more sense to forgo public financing so they could raise and spend unlimited sums.


But the campaign is struggling to meet ambitious fund-raising goals it set for the campaign and the party. It collected in June and July far less from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's donors than originally projected. Moreover, McCain, unlike Obama, will have the luxury of concentrating almost entirely on campaigning instead of raising money, as Obama must do.


The Obama campaign does not have to report its August fund-raising totals until next week, so it is difficult to tally what it has in the bank at this point. A spokesman said that August was its best fund-raising month yet and that the campaign's fund-raising was on track. But the campaign finished July with slightly less cash on hand with the Democratic National Committee compared with McCain and the R.N.C. The Obama campaign has also been spending heavily, including several million more than the McCain campaign in advertising in August.

more...


http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/09/america/09donate.php

crb
09-11-2008, 12:03 PM
Here is how.

1. weakening economy - Obama has been falling short of his fundraising goals lately.

2. You have to look at campaign plus party. Obama has been doing well, but the DNC is shitty. RNC & McCain have both been doing mediocre. Add them together, and RNC/McCain come out ahead by a nose.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/09/was-obama-right-to-opt-out-of-public-financing.aspx

The point being Obama & The DNC have to shatter, by far, all previous monthly records for September & October to reach $300 million for these two months ($100 million a month), whereas McCain and the RNC only need to do $50 million a month, and considering how Palin has excited the base, that'll be easy.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
09-11-2008, 12:25 PM
I saw Obama on Letterman last night, I liked him. He's a great speaker.

Khariz
09-11-2008, 12:29 PM
I saw Obama on Letterman last night, I liked him. He's a great speaker.

Damn right he is! And that's why we should all vote for him for president!

Gan
09-11-2008, 12:32 PM
I think Letterman is a great speaker too!

Drunken Durfin
09-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Damn right he is! And that's why we should all vote for him for president!

Worked for Regan.

Seriously, that man could give a fucking speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_G-mlKxTY

Daniel
09-11-2008, 01:06 PM
You guys don't seem to understand the concept of a "goal" vs reality. Obama is still shattering fund raising records.

Parkbandit
09-11-2008, 01:08 PM
4 years ago, weren't you crying that Bush was trying to buy the election for doing the same thing?

Kefka
09-11-2008, 04:04 PM
http://cronus.com/images/party.gif

They seem ok to me.

ClydeR
09-11-2008, 04:22 PM
Here is how.

1. weakening economy - Obama has been falling short of his fundraising goals lately.

2. You have to look at campaign plus party. Obama has been doing well, but the DNC is shitty. RNC & McCain have both been doing mediocre. Add them together, and RNC/McCain come out ahead by a nose.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/09/was-obama-right-to-opt-out-of-public-financing.aspx

The point being Obama & The DNC have to shatter, by far, all previous monthly records for September & October to reach $300 million for these two months ($100 million a month), whereas McCain and the RNC only need to do $50 million a month, and considering how Palin has excited the base, that'll be easy.

I predicted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=784297&postcount=21) all of this weeks ago.

Daniel
09-11-2008, 04:25 PM
4 years ago, weren't you crying that Bush was trying to buy the election for doing the same thing?


I supported bush in 2004

Gan
09-11-2008, 06:08 PM
http://cronus.com/images/party.gif

They seem ok to me.

Thats pure win right there.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
http://cronus.com/images/party.gif

They seem ok to me.

Holy shit.

Hahahaha.


Thats pure win right there.

:yeahthat: