Did Lieberman lie?

[Gan]

(CNN) -- Democrats accused fellow lawmaker Sen. Joe Lieberman of misleading the Republican National Convention when he addressed them in a speech Tuesday night.

A senior Barack Obama campaign adviser said Lieberman flat-out lied when he told delegates that Obama never successfully reached across party lines.

"Joe Lieberman ought to be ashamed of himself for some of the things he said tonight, not as a Democrat but as an American," adviser Robert Gibbs said on "Larry King Live."

Lieberman, an independent senator from Connecticut who was the Democratic vice presidential candidate alongside Al Gore in 2000, has thrown his support behind John McCain, a longtime friend.

Lieberman urged Democratic and independent voters to make a change and vote for a McCain because, he said, he would do whatever it took to help the American public.

Lieberman attacked Obama's rhetoric, saying "eloquence is no substitute for a record."

"In the Senate, [Obama] has not reached across party lines to get anything significant done, nor has he been willing to take on powerful interest groups in the Democratic Party," Lieberman said in his speech. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gifWatch Lieberman's speech » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Democrats+attack+Lieberman%2C+saying+he+lied +to+delegates+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=30749871&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2008%2FPOLITICS%2F0 9%2F03%2Frnc.democrat.reaction#cnnSTCVideo)

Gibbs stressed that it was a "flat-out lie" that Obama hasn't reached across party lines during his time in public office. Gibbs cited Obama's work with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Indiana, to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists and with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, on the government budget.

Gibbs blamed what he called lies like those perpetrated in Lieberman's speech for disillusioning voters and making them cynical of the government.

"I think [Lieberman] owes it to the American people to look into the camera and tell them the truth," Gibbs said.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid spokesman Jim Manley said Reid too was unhappy with the tone of Lieberman's speech.

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/rnc.democrat.reaction/index.html

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So did he?

I bolded the refute. Anyone have details of the examples given in the refute?

Discuss.

[Daniel]

3 seconds of google says:

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_sec/


Edit: I refuse to give Obama any credit for working with that douchebag Coburn.

[TheEschaton]

No, but as a matter of whatever, "reached out on significant things" is subjective, not objective, so it'd be pretty hard to say Lieberman was "lying" about something that's his opinion.

Now, if those things are true, then he just looks like he has a rather misinformed viewpoint, or a skewed idea of what "significant" is.

[Mabus]

No, but as a matter of whatever, "reached out on significant things" is subjective, not objective, so it'd be pretty hard to say Lieberman was "lying" about something that's his opinion.

Now, if those things are true, then he just looks like he has a rather misinformed viewpoint, or a skewed idea of what "significant" is.
It still is quite the event for an opposite party's past VP nominee to endorse. I cannot remember it ever happening before, at least in my lifetime.

Historic.

[crb]

I knew as soon as I heard it in the speech that he purposefully used "significant" to allow him to say it truthfully.

I happen to agree with him, I don't find Obama's bipartisan work to be significant. Not to the degree John McCain's is.

As far as distortions go, this is relatively minor. Obama has distorted McCain's words and record to a far greater degree.

[Mabus]

As far as distortions go, this is relatively minor. Obama has distorted McCain's words and record to a far greater degree.
From another thread I learned that when Obama lies, it is "campaign rhetoric", but when anyone that does not support Obama says anything (true or not) it is a "lie".

Just thought I would let you know these new party-based definitions.

[Daniel]

hahahahahhaha

[Warriorbird]

Mabus = totally unbiased regarding Obama.

[Apathy]

You can pick any bill and its so loaded with provisions and extras the politicians end up voting against something that most people would want or for most people are against.

In other words, politics as usual, nothing to see here.

[Ravenstorm]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html

[Parkbandit]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

[Back]

I would not say Lieberman lied. Just that he was disingenuous for political gain.

[Mabus]

Mabus = totally unbiased regarding Obama.
Guy, I got a friggen McCain/Palin sign as my avatar on the forum. If I was trying to play the "No, I am not voting McCain/Obama/whoever!" like some folks around here I could understand the comment.

When it was clear many months ago that Obama had zero experience needed to lead this country, which I love, and I saw the movement toward him I researched him (something his "believers" seem to have never done) and brought the truth out.

I was correct on several issues, as the past threads attest. This is true even after the "true believers" of this celebrity (that is Obama) angrily argued that I was wrong.

So save your oh-so-observant comments that I support McCain instead of Obama for the threads where I am making you look sad. You will need them.

[Warriorbird]

...

If going there weren't a waste of effort (IE... even when cornered you continue to maunder on) I would.
Instead I'll suggest that this is a message board. When you are completely biased it will get pointed out when you try act like you aren't.
Omitting everything potentially positive about a candidate is still distorting perception. Even Parkbandit and Ganalon have said positive things about Obama.

I'm sure you've got over 500 posts of Obama hate now. Are you secretly Tony Rezko?

[Mabus]

Instead I'll suggest that this is a message board. When you are completely biased its a problem when you try act like you aren't.
When have I acted like I was a supporter of Obama?

Hell, there have been threads about how many posts about Obama I have made. I am not trying to act unbiased, guy.

Again, look at my fucking avatar. Jesus.

Omitting everything potentially positive about a candidate is still distorting perception. Even Parkbandit and Ganalon have said positive things about Obama.
I have said "positive things" about Obama. Search for what I said after his speech and you will see that the Dems (and fake non-Dems) have far out attacked Palin then anything I said about his speech. That I also post the truth about Obama is what pisses you, and others, off.

Here:
Obama gives a great speech.

Happier now?

[Khariz]

Every time I see the title of this thread, I do a double take because I think it says "Did Lieberman Die?"

I think him dying is plausible.

[Warriorbird]

I'm not angry, Mabus. You seem confused about that. I just think you have an excessive hardon for Obama... EVEN for a Republican. You also lead with not stating who your candidate was for oh... the first, say, 300 of those posts?

[Mabus]

I'm not angry, Mabus. You seem confused about that. I just think you have an excessive hardon for Obama... EVEN for a Republican. You also lead with not stating who your candidate was for oh... the first, say, 300 of those posts?
I am not a republican.

1) I am an independent that leans (small "l") libertarian.

2) My candidate of choice would likely have been Ron Paul.

3) He had no chance of winning, and I had problems with some of his past, and some of his positions.

4) I had to make another choice.

5) I researched all the remaining possible candidates.

6) I am voting for the candidate I feel is best for this country.

7) I have facts to back up my choice.

8) When I commit to a candidate I work to see the candidate elected.

9) When I spot a candidate that I firmly believe will be bad for this country I speak out.

10) Obama would be bad for this country.

If any of those points are hard for you to understand, blame a public school teacher, drugs, abuse, bad parenting or whatever excuse you find easy to spout.

[Warriorbird]

I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

[Back]

If any of those points are hard for you to understand, blame a public school teacher, drugs, abuse, bad parenting or whatever excuse you find easy to spout.

Or cast personal attacks, instead of embracing, fellow Americans.

[Warriorbird]

Fucking community organizers. Trying to help their community and shit.

(I loved you tagging on the Obama mention, Mabus. You just couldn't resist.)

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm fairly certain they all lie.

I think as humans it's inherently clear that no matter how much integrity on may claim to have they've still lied or are lying about something ... sometime...or another in their life.


Yes this includes "No? I didn't put your blouse in the dryer honey?"

[TheRunt]

I am not a republican.

1) I am an independent that leans (small "l") libertarian.

2) My candidate of choice would likely have been Ron Paul.

3) He had no chance of winning, and I had problems with some of his past, and some of his positions.

4) I had to make another choice.

5) I researched all the remaining possible candidates.

6) I am voting for the candidate I feel is best for this country.

7) I have facts to back up my choice.

8) When I commit to a candidate I work to see the candidate elected.

9) When I spot a candidate that I firmly believe will be bad for this country I speak out.

10) Obama would be bad for this country.

If any of those points are hard for you to understand, blame a public school teacher, drugs, abuse, bad parenting or whatever excuse you find easy to spout.

1)I'm a republican that Leans large L towards libertariain
2)ditto
3)agree since the media ignored him.
4)Went for the best of the rest.
5-9)Ditto
10) Agree whole heartedly

[Warriorbird]

On economic terms... I'd rather have catastrophic governmental waste on handouts to Americans than catastrophic governmental waste on handouts to Muslims that hate us and corporations.

[radamanthys]

Sigh. Eisenhower was really the last guy that really qualified for the job.

[Parkbandit]

I would not say Lieberman lied. Just that he was disingenuous for political gain.


Political gain? Unless he gets a cabinet position with McCain.. his political career just went poof. He'll be taken off any leadership positions he currently holds by the Democratic "leadership" and put in committees that look at the feasibility of turning cat shit into the next great energy source.

[Parkbandit]

...

If going there weren't a waste of effort (IE... even when cornered you continue to maunder on) I would.
Instead I'll suggest that this is a message board. When you are completely biased it will get pointed out when you try act like you aren't.
Omitting everything potentially positive about a candidate is still distorting perception. Even Parkbandit and Ganalon have said positive things about Obama.

I'm sure you've got over 500 posts of Obama hate now. Are you secretly Tony Rezko?

Now all we have to do is get positive things about McCain from you or Daniel or Backlash or The E or Keller or Drunkin Durfin or ...

[Parkbandit]

Or cast personal attacks, instead of embracing, fellow Americans.


Man.. I don't think I ever realized this before.. but now it's clear...

Beth turned you gay.

[Daniel]

Now all we have to do is get positive things about McCain from you or Daniel or Backlash or The E or Keller or Drunkin Durfin or ...

I have a pretty healthy respect for McCain. I don't agree with a lot of the policies of his party and I don't like the way he's tried to pander to them.

[Warriorbird]

I think McCain's campaign has made much less in the way of missteps than Obama's has. I think he honestly cares about the country. I respect his tenacity in coming back after what was done to him in 2000.