my new apartment in DC

[Keller]

I am fucking STOKED!

One bedroom, 3 yr old building (brand new appliances, granite countertops, etc), individually owned condo in Galary Place (777 7th St). Literally 45 feet from the Chinatown/Gallary Place metro.

I have NO idea why -- but he was only asking 1675/mo. The next cheapest 1 bedroom in the same building (same floor plan) was 2300/mo. He's got just this one property and I think he was looking for the most stable, hassle-free tenants -- and in walked the married white mid-western couple with professional degrees. In anycase -- FUCKING WIN!

So now, for those of you living in DC -- what do I do about a car? We discussing a few options. One is parking in the building ($210/mo). Another is parking at a corporate lot and metro'ing to the car if we go skiiing or whatever. Finally -- sell the car (save insurance/registration/parking) and just use services like ZipCar. Anyone have advice? More specifically -- have you used ZipCar and/or know of cheap corporate parking garages.

[NocturnalRob]

777 7th St

sell the car. i sold my car when i moved back into DC (after an ill-advised jaunt into VA for 9 months). Save on...registration, parking, insurance, gas, repairs, etc etc etc. A car in DC is a money-pit, especially with you living so close to the metro. ZipCar is a good alternative.

Also, thanks for volunteering your couch for my visits. I know know where you live.

[Keller]

Also, thanks for volunteering your couch for my visits. I know know where you live.

As long as you understand my forgiveness for you fucking my wife was a joke. :love:

[NocturnalRob]

As long as you understand my forgiveness for you fucking my wife was a joke. :love:

oh...well then...touché

and i don't need a place to sleep. i know plenty of women much sluttier than your wife (though not by much) in DC. :love:

but seriously, drinks next time I'm in DC. too many PCers in DC and not enough debaucherous boozefests.

[Ashliana]

Blech! Living in DC itself--constantly assailed by bums, horrible tax rate, high crime rate, full of obnoxious tourists.. I'd stick to the Virginian suburbs. Even in Tysons, can get a 3BR apartment for the same price you're paying, and get to keep my car.

Hate the city itself.

[Keller]

After 4 years in west LA, our first priority was proximity to a metro. We don't plan on using the car for anything other than traveling out of the metro area.

[Ashliana]

Our apartment is within walking distance (about a 4-5 minute walk) to the West Falls Church metro station, and supposedly they're going to be building a Tysons stop, which would be nice. Less traffic, hopefully.

[NocturnalRob]

Our apartment is within walking distance (about a 4-5 minute walk) to the West Falls Church metro station, and supposedly they're going to be building a Tysons stop, which would be nice. Less traffic, hopefully.

VA blows yak cock. Falls Church is a shithole. Whenever people say anything positive about VA, I think that they must be well over 30, completely devoid of any need for social interaction with any interesting individuals, and/or functionally retarded.

Seriously, saving money on rent is not a reason to suffer through the drudgery of VA.

[AnticorRifling]

That's awesome man!

The downside is your monthly payment is more than what I'm paying for my house. The upside...you're not in Indiana.

[Keller]

VA blows yak cock. Falls Church is a shithole. Whenever people say anything positive about VA, I think that they must be well over 30, completely devoid of any need for social interaction with any interesting individuals, and/or functionally retarded.

Seriously, saving money on rent is not a reason to suffer through the drudgery of VA.

That was sort of our opinion.

Our second option was in Dupont Circle and our third was in Cleveland Park.

We looked at 19 apartments in 2 days -- the only one from VA in our top 10 was in Courthouse. VA reminds me of a frat-house for 30+ yr old corporate douchebags.

[Keller]

That's awesome man!

The downside is your monthly payment is more than what I'm paying for my house. The upside...you're not in Indiana.

I know. We're planning on buying in two years. We just need to save for a down payment.

[NocturnalRob]

VA reminds me of a frat-house for 30+ yr old corporate douchebags.

and there you go.

dupont is a fun area too, but i think you're gonna get a better quality apartment at that price near chinatown.

and to be honest, a 1br for ~$1700/month is huge win, especially with two incomes.

[Keller]

two incomes.

I wish. =(

She makes like 26k/yr as a graduate fellow/summer lecturer.

[NocturnalRob]

I wish. =(

She makes like 26k/yr as a graduate fellow/summer lecturer.

oh, so she TOTALLY has to stay with you. congrats!!

but still, it's a supplement, so it's not a complete loss.

[Ashliana]

VA blows yak cock. Falls Church is a shithole. Whenever people say anything positive about VA, I think that they must be well over 30, completely devoid of any need for social interaction with any interesting individuals, and/or functionally retarded.

Seriously, saving money on rent is not a reason to suffer through the drudgery of VA.

Except that our taxes are lower, Fairfax and Loudon counties have extremely low crime rates, rents are far cheaper, and I can get to DC, should I want to, in twenty minutes, and actually have a place to park my car? And for other people to park their car when they come visit, as opposed to getting raped by garages?

DC is dirty, full of annoying tourists, the air smells like shit, everything is more expensive (see the "tourists" again), people can't drive for shit, and the cops are even bigger assholes than they are in Virginia. Even living in Arlington would be better than the overpriced shithole of DC, but suffers from some of the same issues.

I get to keep way more of my income for the things I actually want, can save more money, etc. Makes zero sense to live inside the city unless your job is right inside and you have no need/desire to travel anywhere else, or you make mountains of cash and don't care either way.

He wants to live in DC? Congrats for getting the apartment. I'd personally like to keep more of my money for enjoyment or saving purposes.

[Keller]

unless your job is right inside DC.

I forgot to mention I work about 3 blocks from my apartment. That'll save me a ton on food (coming home for lunch/dinner instead of eating out -- I don't pack lunches).

[petroglyph]

full of annoying tourists

You realize that as a Virginian, you're one of the annoying tourists, right?

[Sean]

I live in the burbs now and can't wait to get back to city living. As soon as I'm ready to goto a new job I'm out of here.

[Ashliana]

I forgot to mention I work about 3 blocks from my apartment. That'll save me a ton on food (coming home for lunch/dinner instead of eating out -- I don't pack lunches).

That is really nice. I envy that.


You realize that as a Virginian, you're one of the annoying tourists, right?

If you say so. I'd call the droves of hicks swarming to see the Smithsonian and national monuments the "tourists," and not people that live less than 10 miles away from the city.

[NocturnalRob]

If you say so. I'd call the droves of hicks swarming to see the Smithsonian and national monuments the "tourists," and not people that live less than 10 miles away from the city.

well, you'd be wrong. you're as unwelcome as the "hicks."


people can't drive for shit

funny, because VA drivers are fucking morons who wouldn't know how to drive around a traffic circle if they were the only driver within a square mile.


and the cops are even bigger assholes than they are in Virginia

1) because they have to deal with annoying VA tourists
2) VA cops are reject DC cops


I get to keep way more of my income for the things I actually want

like enjoying the sweet VA nightlife...


He wants to live in DC? Congrats for getting the apartment.

only thing i agree with

[Soulpieced]

But where would I park my Cadillac if I lived in the city :(

<---- Tourist.

[NocturnalRob]

But where would I park my Cadillac if I lived in the city :(

<---- Tourist.

hahaha...Ashliana is just wrong. there is plenty of parking in DC as long as you're not trying to park up Lincoln's ass at the Memorial.

plenty of room for your caddie. and you can get all day parking in most of the "OMG TOURIST" neighborhoods (Georgetown, Adams Morgan, downtown) for $8-20/day.

edit: i hate VA.

[Gan]

Congrats on the condo.

You ought to see if you can purchase it from him if you really like it. Would make a good investment if you ever decided to move (especially since its like new).

I envy you in not having to have a car. I really wish we had that kind of transportation system set up here in Houston. Too much land/coverage for that here I believe. Not having to drive everyday to work would be sweet. Only downside would be grocery shopping if you lived more than a few blocks from the store. Home delivery FTW!!!

[Ashliana]

well, you'd be wrong. you're as unwelcome as the "hicks."

You're an idiotic, humorously arrogant and self-superior, smug asshole if you think you can tell the difference between someone from northern Virginia that lives less than ten miles away, by any measure--attitude, income, accent, fashion, etc.


funny, because VA drivers are fucking morons who wouldn't know how to drive around a traffic circle if they were the only driver within a square mile.

You're right! I love being on the road with a hundred, highly aggressive taxis at any given time that run red lights, cut people off and switch three lanes without using a signal.



1) because they have to deal with annoying VA tourists
2) VA cops are reject DC cops

Makes absolutely no sense, like the rest of your "argument."




like enjoying the sweet VA nightlife...

And completely glossing over anything that I said. I have quick access to DC via the car that I actually have, or the metro that's within a five minute walk. The only thing that "you have" that "I don't" are higher taxes, higher crime rates, worse traffic, more pollution, far higher rents, loads of tourists, and --oh. Where's your benefit, versus my situation? Slightly faster access to the nightlife you so crave?

Enjoy waking up when you're actually grown up in a few years and haven't saved nearly as much money as someone that actually weighed their options well and made the same amount as you did. Then enjoy watching them move into their own, larger, nicer house--still with quick access to anything you can enjoy in a few minutes more. Makes very little sense to live in the district itself.

[NocturnalRob]

Only downside would be grocery shopping if you lived more than a few blocks from the store. Home delivery FTW!!!

yeah, fresh direct or peapod. i think that shit's in DC.

also, Keller, i just realized exactly where that is--Clyde's, Legal Sea Foods, Zaytinya (amazing tapas), Fado, Five Guys, Zola, Rosa Mexicana (some of the best guac in the city), Ruth's Chris, Jaleo, Acadiana (awesome southern), Brasserie Beck, Capitol City Brewing...

those are all within...1.5 blocks of your place? I hate you.

[Keller]

I know. =)

It's like 3 blocks from work -- I was taken to lunch in the area all the time last summer. I knew exactly what I was getting into.

[NocturnalRob]

Enjoy waking up when you're actually grown up in a few years and haven't saved nearly as much money as someone that actually weighed their options well and made the same amount as you did. Then enjoy watching them move into their own, larger, nicer house--still with quick access to anything you can enjoy in a few minutes more. Makes very little sense to live in the district itself.

yawn...i live in nyc. I added and subsequently removed information about my earnings and savings because it's not really any of your business. Suffice it to say that i make much more than you, and save more than you. Done.

You keep thinking it makes little sense to live in DC. One less moron I have to endure when I visit.

edit: i say this not knowing how old you are, which would make this either slightly more or less pathetic. and i don't think self-superior is a word either.

[Alfster]

Just out of curiosity, how many square feet do you get for 1600+ rent a month?

[NocturnalRob]

I know. =)

It's like 3 blocks from work -- I was taken to lunch in the area all the time last summer. I knew exactly what I was getting into.

also, as a treat for you and the wifey, you might want to take her to The Source. it's the new Wolfgang Puck restaurant that opened up....8 months ago or so? it's about 4 blocks away from your place. it's asian fusion and quite expensive, but definitely worth the experience.

maybe a nice treat once you guys get settled in? or even to go for appetizers and a cocktail.

[Stretch]

My roommate and I were shelling out $1900 a month for a 2 BR / 2 BTH in Ballston before I moved back to the suburbs. I think our total square footage was around 1050?

Different life choices, I guess. In the last several months, I've only felt a sporadic need for city night life on weekends. I've been living a fairly spartan lifestyle to (eventually) be able to buy a house, so there's probably been a good amount of "fun" time sacrificed. On the flip side, since graduating in May 2006 I've been able to pay off $41k of student / car loans, sock away $24k in my 401k / Roth, send my parents $14k, and save $17k. Not bad for a 23 year old, I guess.

As far as keeping a car goes, I ran some numbers awhile back and (assuming $0 terminal value and 7 yr life) it was costing me something like $600 a month to keep / maintain / park my car. I've heard good things about ZipCar, and you can metro almost anywhere you need to go.

[Sean of the Thread]

for fucks sake that's a lot of money for an 1 bedroom apartment/condo. For me anyways.

$1000 3 bedroom fenced in yard 1 car garage house on the water. Well two blocks from the gulf.

[Revalos]

We really need to do need a PC/DC boozefest. I vote RFD since it is right near your new place Keller (BTW that is a sick deal you got!). If no one else is going to organize it, I will sometime later this month.

[Keller]

Just out of curiosity, how many square feet do you get for 1600+ rent a month?

it's 760.

[Keller]

also, as a treat for you and the wifey, you might want to take her to The Source. it's the new Wolfgang Puck restaurant that opened up....8 months ago or so? it's about 4 blocks away from your place. it's asian fusion and quite expensive, but definitely worth the experience.

maybe a nice treat once you guys get settled in? or even to go for appetizers and a cocktail.

interesting.

A friend of ours is the executive chef at Oya -- but he's not mentioned Source yet.

I'll look into it. My wife and I tend to spend a considerable portion of our disposable income on food, so I appreciate the suggestion.

[Ashliana]

yawn...i live in nyc. I added and subsequently removed information about my earnings and savings because it's not really any of your business. Suffice it to say that i make much more than you, and save more than you. Done.

You keep thinking it makes little sense to live in DC. One less moron I have to endure when I visit.

edit: i say this not knowing how old you are, which would make this either slightly more or less pathetic. and i don't think self-superior is a word either.

Your argument would make more sense if you were talking about Manhattan and a far-removed suburb. I can get to Dupont Circle, for instance, faster than someone can get there from Catholic University.

You can assume that you make, and save, more money than me; but it's irrelevant, even if it's true. Someone that lives in the city but makes the same amount as I do is not able to save as much as I can, while maintaining even remotely the same standard of living. The same holds true, regardless of income level because the cost of living, for a reduced standard of living, is higher than it is elsewhere.

You're arguing that the benefits of the city more than make up for it--maybe when the novelty of getting drunk off your ass and being able to walk back to your apartment wears off, you'll realize that in every place in DC--every event, nightlife destination, etc, is full of people that came from either VA or MD, because DC itself is a tiny, commuter city. That "nightlife" wouldn't exist without the income we bring into it.

DC is a decent place, but you're making the greater metropolitan area out to be a lot worse than it actually is, and coming off as incredibly snotty in the process.

[Daniel]

I just moved from a place like 3 blocks from you closer to dupont. It was amazing. My drunken staggers took like 15 minutes tops. Ever.

Now I need to figure out where to go. I have plenty of friends around the area. So, I'm definitely down for a PC meet up.

Which firm did you end up working at? I also know a few girls who work in that area. I'd laugh if you knew any of them.

Also, I hope you don't mind the roving bands of 14-17 year old punk kids that swarm chinatown after dark. I'm from the south side of Chi and that shit kinda gets to me.

Finally, Fuck your car. Metro. Do a Zipcar or become a preferred member at Avis for the weekends, but seriously. You won't ever leave the district unless you're like fucking tubing in WV (which is a horrible idea on July 5th btw. Horrible Horrible fucking idea).

Finally, Ashliana is dumb as fuck. I made the mistake of going out once to the Clarendon Ballroom. Mistake. The night ended with me getting into an argument with some 19 year old hick. Classy.

[Daniel]

You're arguing that the benefits of the city more than make up for it--maybe when the novelty of getting drunk off your ass and being able to walk back to your apartment wears off.

Even if there wasn't a million other things to do in DC. Why would this ever happen???

[Keller]

For the record I'm down for drinks when I get into town. Let's make it happen.

Like I said -- I've got access to an amazing deck overlooking the intersection of 7th and H. We could pre/post drink there.

The part where the building is cut out is all open space with nice patio furniture.

http://view.admission.net/abc/apartments/161073/002/BL01-01-1_32.JPG

[Back]

Down with the DC drink if you all will have me. Despite what some people will try to lead you to believe I am a very jovial and leisurely spirit.

As for the car question I think it boils down to cost vs. usage. You can easily live without a car. The biggest hassle is getting what you need back home. Such as groceries or furniture. I can’t think of a large market walking distance to that location. Though there may be a Whole foods just a few blocks away. There is a Bed Bath & Beyond very close.

I kept my car but my condo has a space in the parking lot off the street. Plus I have family and friends in Murylun. When I lived in NYC I ditched the car in a heart beat as I rarely ever left the island and when I did it was to drive down to Murylun a few times a year.

[Daniel]

I'm like 93% sure my buddy lives in your building.

[The Ponzzz]

Man, pack a fucking lunch and save yourself $1000 a month on a 760 sq ft 1bedroom apt. You could afford a mortgage of $500k at that price.

[Keller]

Man, pack a fucking lunch and save yourself $1000 a month on a 760 sq ft 1bedroom apt. You could afford a mortgage of $500k at that price.

1 yr in an apartment and I'll have enough for a downpayment.

I would have loved to buy -- but I'm not sure I could get a mortgage at the moment as I'm just out of school.

[The Ponzzz]

Ah, good call then man. Just make sure to save enough to avoid PMI. (20%)

[Tsa`ah]

I know. We're planning on buying in two years. We just need to save for a down payment.

You already answered your question ... sort of.

Ditch the car, estimate the monthly up keep including parking costs and fuel, dump that into a savings/fund and deduct the Zipcar fees any time you use it.

At times I wish I had access to mass transit, but then I look out the window .... not seeing another house anywhere ... and smile.

[NocturnalRob]

whatever, Ashliana. if you haven't lived in DC, you wouldn't understand. I'm not going to continue to argue the point, because it's fruitless.

but yeah, i'll let you guys know when i make it down to DC. at the very least we can knock some back and stumble around yelling "magic missle" and throwing shit at people.

[Keller]

"PREP 410

CAST!!"

And then tackle everyone in sight.

[Back]

:rofl: No, no. We need tennis balls. “Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt.”

“I have on boots of Escaping!”

[NocturnalRob]

hahaha...exactly.

what could be more fun?

[holocene]

I'd totally be in for a drink, but I have to go shoot a documentary on a boat next week.

[Daniel]

Next weekend I'm around is weekend of the 13th. Then its October 11th.

[g++]

zipcars actually are pretty cool, buddy took us down to ocean city in one the other weekend with no problem. I have a car but if you can just grab one and go out of town and you already live in the city....why not ditch your car.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'd totally be in for a drink, but I have to go shoot a documentary on a boat next week.

Is that what they're calling cheap porn now days?

[Back]

Is that what they're calling cheap porn now days?

No. It probably involves the crab population in the bay.

Er, who knows what goes on those hippy boats.

[AnticorRifling]

760sq ft? You're going to kill each other! Word to the wise when you get your house make sure it's got "Man World" a den/garage/pool room/etc. Some place you can put your shit on the walls and be left alone for a few hours if you want.

Disposable income on food.... Man I haven't seen disposable income in years, I remember it being nice. (don't have twins)

[Sylvan Dreams]

1675 for a one bedroom?

Damn. People were cringing when I said I was paying 450 for a 1-bedroom because it's in a nicer apartment community.

[AnticorRifling]

1675 for a one bedroom?

Damn. People were cringing when I said I was paying 450 for a 1-bedroom because it's in a nicer apartment community.
It's all about the Cost of Living for the area. I can get a place out in a corn field for pennies on the dollar. Move into Indy and it's more, move into a real city and it's even more.

[Keller]

1675 for a one bedroom?

Damn. People were cringing when I said I was paying 450 for a 1-bedroom because it's in a nicer apartment community.

Unfortunately we didn't look at a single apartment under 1500. And the 1500 was a basement efficiency with mold.

That's just the cost of working in a major market.

[NocturnalRob]

Unfortunately we didn't look at a single apartment under 1500. And the 1500 was a basement efficiency with mold.

That's just the cost of working in a major market.

to be honest, Keller, I still can't believe you found something that cheap. especially in that neighborhood. i have two friends that just moved to DC. both moved into one bedrooms--one in dupont and one in adams morgan. both are roughly 800 square feet. both are paying over $2100/month ($2250 & $2175, respectively, i think). so...you win.

[AnticorRifling]

Just think you could be stuck in a shitty CP Morgan house like me for only a stack a month...

Note: Even if you don't care it's never a good idea to let the wife make decisions on her own.

[Keller]

Just think you could be stuck in a shitty CP Morgan house like me for only a stack a month...

Note: Even if you don't care it's never a good idea to let the wife make decisions on her own.

When she gets a real job she can start making real decisions.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's all about the Cost of Living for the area. I can get a place out in a corn field for pennies on the dollar. Move into Indy and it's more, move into a real city and it's even more.

I'd say cost of living is fairly high here without looking it up. I live in one of the biggest metro of our land and on 100 yards from gulf of mexico. Pinellas county is also the most densely populated in the state which makes traffic in this county and the tri county tampabay area suck ass most of the commute time.

We have no rails only buses :(

I'm happy to pay $1000 a month for what I got even tho the market has dropped and I could possibly get it much lower in the $800 range right now with supply and demand.

[NocturnalRob]

When she gets a real job she can start making real decisions.

that's mighty white of you, Keller

[AnticorRifling]

that's mighty white of you, Keller
If it's white it's right.

[NocturnalRob]

If it's white it's right.

If it's dead...give it head?

[petroglyph]

to be honest, Keller, I still can't believe you found something that cheap. especially in that neighborhood. i have two friends that just moved to DC. both moved into one bedrooms--one in dupont and one in adams morgan. both are roughly 800 square feet. both are paying over $2100/month ($2250 & $2175, respectively, i think). so...you win.

There ARE cheaper apartments around here (that don't suck), but finding them is a pain in the ass. I spent three months looking before I settled on my current one bedroom (at $1200 a month). If you don't have the flexibility to go to showings the day you see the ad and move on a few day's notice (ie, if you're not already local), it ain't happening.

[NocturnalRob]

There ARE cheaper apartments around here (that don't suck)

$1200/month? where? how many sq. ft? how many other apartments in the building? doorman? you paying utilities?

without seeing the apartment and taking your word for what you deem a "non-sucky" apartment, that's a nice find.

and i agree--a lot of it has to do with taking your time searching for a place and having a good deal of luck

[petroglyph]

$1200/month? where? how many sq. ft? how many other apartments in the building? doorman? you paying utilities?

without seeing the apartment and taking your word for what you deem a "non-sucky" apartment, that's a nice find.

and i agree--a lot of it has to do with taking your time searching for a place and having a good deal of luck

Hah. Well, if you like big buildings, you'd probably find mine sucky. Me, I've lived in multi-units and I hated it. Dealing with neighbors who bitch every time I don't walk on tiptoe or blast hymns at five in the morning=way too much hassle. And I prefer having my own front door and outside space.

So yeah, basement unit. Floor to ceiling windows in the living room and bedroom. One block from metro and restaurants. A pool in the backyard, a functional fireplace, and no neighbors to care if I decide to throw a party or rearrange all my furniture at three in the morning (the buildings to either side are offices, and my upstairs landlord is away on travel 50-75% of the time). Bliss.

(Around 600 square feet, and around $75 a month for gas/electric/Internet, for what it's worth.)

[Trouble]

Sorry I'm a bit late to this thread, I was PC-less for a week.

Gratz on the apartment, it sounds like a great deal, a steal in fact. My stupid condo is almost 3k/mo for 1100 sq ft (2 br) and I'm out in Arlington.

I think it's very possible to ditch your car. I live in Ballston (I loved that 30+ frat comment, it especially applies to Clarendon) and I usually only use my car once a week on average for groceries/beer. I could even walk to get those if I lived a little closer to the grocery store or if I got a bike. Ballston also has a (shitty) mall, movie theater, and a ton of restaurants, all within a couple of blocks of the Metro and my condo. I imagine a place like Gallery Place would be awesome to live.

About once every couple of months I find myself needing my car (brunch with a relative, Home Depot or Target, party a friend's out in the suburbs, etc) but I could potentially use a ZipCar for that. Another option is a scooter. I see quite a few around Arlington so I assume they're popular downtown too. My car is paid for and extremely cheap to maintain so I doubt I'll get rid of it any time soon, especially since a parking spot comes with my condo, but it's nice to know I could live without it when it eventually dies.

If I stay in the DC area I'd like to try living downtown for a year or so and Gallery PL is one of the main areas I'm considering.

[Daniel]

option is a scooter. I see quite a few around Arlington so I assume they're popular downtown too.

Fuck no. This is a reason why people in DC look at people in the burbs funny.

[Ashliana]

I don't think I've ever seen a single person in the "suburbs" riding a scooter or Vespa. I see them in DC itself frequently, though. Segways, too.

[Allereli]

I think I went to a party in that building once, bunch of Navy guys, you got a great deal. Try the peach sangria at La Tasca.

I had a car in DC pre-zipcar days, and nothing beats the munchie drive to dunkin donuts (there are none in DC). If I lived in DC I'd probably get rid of mine, but I enjoy driving too much, and I know how to get around. But if you're a noob just do zipcar. I live between Crystal City and Old Town, Alexandria. I love it, and pay a lot less in income taxes, and the movie theater I go to isn't a piece of shit (and it's better than the Gallery Place one).

Ashliana- You fucking act like DC is the third world. My IQ drops even considering how sheltered/ignorant/retarded you are. Loudan County? No one wants to live there, people only live there because they have some stupid belief that owning a home makes them a more complete person and they can't afford a more desirable location.

[AnticorRifling]

.... bunch of Navy guys ... peach sangria ...



I lol'd

[NocturnalRob]

I lol'd

hahaha...i thought the same thing. then i remembered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkyC1BKroM

[Ashliana]

Ashliana- You fucking act like DC is the third world. My IQ drops even considering how sheltered/ignorant/retarded you are. Loudan County? No one wants to live there, people only live there because they have some stupid belief that owning a home makes them a more complete person and they can't afford a more desirable location.


First of all, it's Loudoun county--which happens to have had the highest income per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) of any county in the nation. It goes back and forth with Fairfax. It's also the fastest growing county in the nation. Apparently, in direct contradiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) with your miraculously ignorant statement.

Next time, try actually knowing what you're talking about before you pull this garbage out of your ass and try to pass someone else off as ignorant, dumbass.

[Gan]

First of all, it's Loudon county--which happens to have had the highest income per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) of any county in the nation. It goes back and forth with Fairfax. It's also the fastest growing county in the nation. Apparently, in direct contradiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) with your miraculously ignorant statement.

Next time, try actually knowing what you're talking about before you pull this garbage out of your ass and try to pass someone else off as ignorant, dumbass.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/img/county-pop.jpg

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011635.html

[Keller]

Doh

[Gan]

Her Wikipedia article mentioned the period in which that might or might not have been true. She just left that part off her point. ;)



Loudoun County (pronounced /ˈlaʊdən/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) "LOUD-un") is a county (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_(United_States)) located in the Commonwealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_(United_States)) of Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia), and is part of the Washington Metropolitan Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Metropolitan_Area). As of July 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_of_July_2006), the county is estimated to be home to 268,817 people, [2] (http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/tables/CO-EST2006-01-51.xls) a 58 percent increase over the 2000 figure of 169,599. That increase makes the county the fastest growing in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) during that period.

[The Ponzzz]

Fail!

lern2read



That increase makes the county the fastest growing in the United States during that period.

[The Ponzzz]

Awww fuck, Gan beat me. And had flashier colors. Man, I just lost at the internet today.

[Ashliana]

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/img/county-pop.jpg

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011635.html

I'm not sure how the person who wrote the Wikipedia article came to their conclusion. But the Census Bureau also states, for 04-05,


Rounding out the top 10 were three counties in Virginia: Loudoun, near Washington, D.C., ranked eighth with a population increase of 6.8 percent

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/006563.html

USA Today also reported Loudoun, in '04, was the fastest growing, period.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-04-08-loudon-growth_x.htm

I don't think they're talking about year-to-year growth, however. In any case, the point still stands. People were/are flocking to the area. The richest people in the area live in Loudoun and parts of Fairfax (McLean, etc). It's much nicer, overall. What do I see when I go? (My mother lives in Cascades, in Sterling--Loudoun, one of the nicer areas.)

I see immaculately attended gardens, brand new, well-tended roads, new infrastructure, impressive, stand-alone houses with big yards and clean air. What do I see when I go through DC? Dirty air, bums on the corner, litter EVERYWHERE, and the dingy gray filth that blankets the city. No thanks.

DC isn't a horrible place to live, but there are nicer, close-by. His arguments were that:

"No one wants to live there." (Bullshit. It's had one of, if not the, most explosive growth rates in the nation.)

"People only live there because they can't afford a nicer area." (Also bullshit. Per capita income was highest in the nation, and switches over from Fairfax, the neighboring county).

[Gan]

Awww fuck, Gan beat me. And had flashier colors. Man, I just lost at the internet today.

Sounds like 'YOU NEED A SPANKING!!!'.

[AnticorRifling]

Anyone else see Tijay next to Harris, TX?

[Gan]

LOL

No dreds though.

[Ashliana]

My problem doesn't lie with DC--that it's a hellhole, or something. My problem is with these smarmy assholes that try to depict the suburbs--some of the richest, highest standard-of-living counties in the world, as havens of hicks and those "too ignorant, or sheltered" to live in the city. It's stupid, elitist bullshit.

[The Ponzzz]

People who live in DC ARE elitists though.

[AnticorRifling]

But wouldn't calling them smarmy assholes (in bold) also be stupid and elitist bullshit?

My brain hurts.

[Ashliana]

But wouldn't calling them smarmy assholes (in bold) also be stupid and elitist bullshit?

My brain hurts.

I don't think the act of pointing out someone else's foolish, smarmy and arrogant attitudes is elitist itself, no.

[CrystalTears]

People who live in DC ARE elitists though.
Agreed.

[Gan]

I don't think the act of pointing out someone else's foolish, smarmy and arrogant attitudes is elitist itself, no.

Depends on how you point out the offending behavior.

[AnticorRifling]

Depends on how you point out the offending behavior.

Winner winner chicken dinner

[Ashliana]

I guess it depends on how you're defining "elitist," then. If it's the magical, "means anything I want it to mean" definition we've heard so often from conservatives today, then maybe everyone you say is, is. But no, calling someone out on bullshit using OMG BOLD TEXT is not elitist under any definition of the word.

In any case, I compliment the use of redirection.

[AnticorRifling]

Apology accepted.

[Gan]

I guess it depends on how you're defining "elitist," then. If it's the magical, "means anything I want it to mean" definition we've heard so often from conservatives today, then maybe everyone you say is, is. But no, calling someone out on bullshit using OMG BOLD TEXT is not elitist under any definition of the word.

In any case, I compliment the use of redirection.

Would that example be given in your earlier response about Loudoun county being the fastest growing county in the nation (while leaving off the all important *in that period* clarifier in your earlier post? Especially when you completely went off on the guy in the next paragraph about knowing what one is discussing before posting garbage pulled out of ones ass.

Then coming back after being called on it the generic claim and trying to dillute what you meant in the first post with additional sources (not listed in the original claim) and various other data points?


First of all, it's Loudoun county--which happens to have had the highest income per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) of any county in the nation. It goes back and forth with Fairfax. It's also the fastest growing county in the nation. Apparently, in direct contradiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudoun_County,_Virginia) with your miraculously ignorant statement.

Next time, try actually knowing what you're talking about before you pull this garbage out of your ass and try to pass someone else off as ignorant, dumbass.

[AnticorRifling]

See and here I was being nice.

[Sean of the Thread]

What's she blabbering about now? I got sick of her bipolar posting and have had her/his/it on ignore forever.

[AnticorRifling]

I think it was something about you and Gan having his and his avatars.

[Ashliana]

Would that example be given in your earlier response about Loudoun county being the fastest growing county in the nation (while leaving off the all important *in that period* clarifier in your earlier post? Especially when you completely went off on the guy in the next paragraph about knowing what one is discussing before posting garbage pulled out of ones ass.

Then coming back after being called on it the generic claim and trying to dillute what you meant in the first post with additional sources (not listed in the original claim) and various other data points?

No. I didn't see the "during that period" point, is all. That wasn't the crux of the issue, anyway. You can try and stick to it all you like, but all it means, for the sake of my argument, is that it actually was, at some recent point, fastest growing in the nation. Meaning his argument was bullshit--that "nobody wants to live there," and the highest-median-income point also refutes the "people only live there because they can't afford better." Loudoun is that better area.

What's your point? I didn't pull anything out of my ass. I at least looked it up, compared to someone's magical inventions based on his ignorant preconceptions.

[Gan]

In a nutshell, you looked it up on Wikipedia and did not verify the data. Then you used said data to pounce on the other poster and refute what the other poster posted. Then proceeded to flame.

Your wording is like someone claiming that Arnold is the strongest man in the world. And the truth of the matter was that Arnold is (was) the strongest man in the world during the time period of x to x+1. What is said and what you represent are and can be different things. Like the earlier example given.

Then you try and say you dont sound elitist?

I believe CT (and myself on earlier occasions) have pointed out that this is your modus operundi when you debate here. At times you bring up great arguments and spot on analysis. Then at other times you come back and rebut with vague cover ups and topic shifts when you get caught in being careless.

[Sean of the Thread]

I think it was something about you and Gan having his and his avatars.

You of all people shouldn't have a problem with R Lee Ermey. Not to mention E-7 is where it's at.

[Gan]

I had the avatar first. :p

[Ashliana]

In a nutshell, you looked it up on Wikipedia and did not verify the data. Then you used said data to pounce on the other poster and refute what the other poster posted. Then proceeded to flame.

Your wording is like someone claiming that Arnold is the strongest man in the world. And the truth of the matter was that Arnold is (was) the strongest man in the world during the time period of x to x+1. What is said and what you represent are and can be different things. Like the earlier example given.

Then you try and say you dont sound elitist?

I believe CT (and myself on earlier occasions) have pointed out that this is your modus operundi when you debate here. At times you bring up great arguments and spot on analysis. Then at other times you come back and rebut with vague cover ups and topic shifts when you get caught in being careless.

No. In other words, I'd heard the claim several times before, didn't want to invest unnecessary amounts of my time to prove some random dumbass on the Internet wrong, assumed the sourced claim from wikipedia was right, and sourced it. Not that the claim was wrong--any my argument still stands.

I did not "proceed to flame." I responded to his baseless hostility with hostility of my own. He's a smarmy jackass that spouted bullshit, was called on it. I was careless in not reading the provision--I don't deny that. But it doesn't change anything.. My argument still holds, over his mindless assertions. And no, I don't think it was elitist--especially compared to his "lawl, you don't love DC over the suburbs?! You're sheltered and/or ignorant."

[Sean of the Thread]

I had the stripes first.

[NocturnalRob]

Hey, Keller, how's the new apt?

[Sean of the Thread]

yeah can I come crash on a roadtrip to Toronto?

[AnticorRifling]

Hey, Keller, how's the new apt? Off topic!

[Allereli]

I love how she calls DC dirty and full of bums, then she calls everyone who lives there elitest. I'd love to see what she thought of DC after going somewhere like Jakarta (yes I'm being elitest when I say Jakarta is one of the biggest shitholes). I think it's time to join the ignore Ashliana club.

Yay for finding another internet cafe with faster computers.

[NocturnalRob]

Off topic!

haha...sorry!! i'll make a new thread!

but seriously, i'm headed down to dc at the end of the month. i demand room and board!!

[Daniel]

yeah can I come crash on a roadtrip to Toronto?

You can crash at my place. The liquor store and popeyes chicken is like 2 blocks away on the corner of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

[NocturnalRob]

You can crash at my place. The liquor store and popeyes chicken is like 2 blocks away on the corner of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

it's the end of summer. i'm gonna need some watermelon and grape soda.

[Ashliana]

I love how she calls DC dirty and full of bums, then she calls everyone who lives there elitest.

That's because it is full of bums. Have you actually been to the city? They're everywhere--and not just in southeast DC, which IS a shithole. Even in Adams Morgan, Dupont, Northwest--every time I go, they're extremely commonplace.


I'd love to see what she thought of DC after going somewhere like Jakarta (yes I'm being elitest when I say Jakarta is one of the biggest shitholes).

I've lived all over the world, and both visited and lived in some quite shitty places. See my previous discussions with Nieninque. However, the rebuttal against your rambling ignorance remains: Loudoun isn't what you claimed.


I think it's time to join the ignore Ashliana club.

Yay for finding another internet cafe with faster computers.

Knock yourself out. Enoy watching reality TV or American Gladiators. Quality stuff. How's that for elitist? Jerk.

[Stanley Burrell]

it's the end of summer. i'm gonna need some watermelon and grape soda.

Couldn't find the watermelon shoes video, so you're going to have to take this educational advice instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Take that shit, mmmm.

[NocturnalRob]

ahhahahaha...win

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp194/nocturnalrob/NO.jpg

[Allereli]

haha...sorry!! i'll make a new thread!

but seriously, i'm headed down to dc at the end of the month. i demand room and board!!

only if you wear a murse outfit and wait on me.

[diethx]

only if you wear a murse outfit and wait on me.

?

http://www.toolivenurse.com/photos1/fanny_urinal.jpg

[Allereli]

?

http://www.toolivenurse.com/photos1/fanny_urinal.jpg

this one is more like it:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e336/fetter29/murse.jpg

[NocturnalRob]

only if you wear a murse outfit and wait on me.

you provide the outfit and I'll provide the servitude.

[Daniel]

it's the end of summer. i'm gonna need some watermelon and grape soda.


I was being serious :(

[NocturnalRob]

I was being serious :(

dude, i was too. i rocked out a watermelon salad last night. try it.

watermelon, diced
1/2 avocado, diced
1 small cucumber, diced
1 small jalapeno, diced
1 T. Italian flat-leaf parsley, chiffonade
splash balsamic vinegar
splash EVOO
Kosher salt and fresh cracked black pepper, liberally

mix that shit up. sweet/salty flavors are awesome. and it goes really well with

http://www.welchsinternational.com/products/images_l/large_views/grape_soda_600_450.jpg

[Keller]

Hey, Keller, how's the new apt?

We move in Sept 16.

I'm still in Indianapolis.

[Keller]

dude, i was too. i rocked out a watermelon salad last night. try it.

watermelon, diced
1/2 avocado, diced
1 small cucumber, diced
1 small jalapeno, diced
1 T. Italian flat-leaf parsley, chiffonade
splash balsamic vinegar
splash EVOO
Kosher salt and fresh cracked black pepper, liberally

mix that shit up. sweet/salty flavors are awesome. and it goes really well with

I make a similar salad with watermelon, cucumber, jalepeno, and cilantro.

I leave the jalepenos in slices and fish them out after a couple of hour "marinade". It's much more subtle heat and people who eat it can't figure out why it's so fucking good.

[Keller]

That's because it is full of bums. Have you actually been to the city? They're everywhere--and not just in southeast DC, which IS a shithole. Even in Adams Morgan, Dupont, Northwest--every time I go, they're extremely commonplace.

Bums inhabit major metropolis. News at 10.

[Allereli]

Bums inhabit major metropolis. News at 10.

lol, I grew up in Greenwich, CT and there are bums there, too.

I work south of Dupont, I've been in DC almost every day for the past ten years. You really should see more of the world.

OMG SCARY BUM!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/vankrasn/saddam_homeless.jpg

[Keller]

got into town around 7 pm. Legal Seafood for dinner and MNF. Now to bed on air mattresseS with towels for blankets. I can't wait for the truck to get here tomorrow. No Internet until next Monday. So just me and my phone.

And to the poster above me - L2sarcasm

[Allereli]

got into town around 7 pm. Legal Seafood for dinner and MNF. Now to bed on air mattresseS with towels for blankets. I can't wait for the truck to get here tomorrow. No Internet until next Monday. So just me and my phone.

And to the poster above me - L2sarcasm

the post was addressed to ashliana

[Keller]

the post was addressed to ashliana

In that case L2quote. ;)

[Allereli]

In that case L2quote. ;)

i have her shit blocked

edit: and welcome to DC

[Drakefang]

lol, I grew up in Greenwich, CT and there are bums there, too.

I work south of Dupont, I've been in DC almost every day for the past ten years. You really should see more of the world.

OMG SCARY BUM!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/vankrasn/saddam_homeless.jpg

Wow, Saddam. The level of wrongness there is enormous. Funny.

I've never lived in the DC area. Visited my cousin about three times while he was living past Tyson's Corner in Rockville and I loved that place. If I was going to move, I'd lean toward Chesapeake, Frederick/Hagerstown or Raleigh (or further east in NC). Assuming I was staying in the mid-Atlantic area.

[Daniel]

Also, I hope you don't mind the roving bands of 14-17 year old punk kids that swarm chinatown after dark. I'm from the south side of Chi and that shit kinda gets to me.

.

Told you.