Did he know?

[StrayRogue]

Was Bush aware that Osama Bin Laden planned an attack on America along the scale of 9/11, or was he totally unware as to what was happening? More specifically, do you think with the evidence he had at hand, he could have done a better job at securing the lives of all those lost?

[Edited on 12-1-04 by StrayRogue]

[Xcalibur]

No. Impossible. Nobody would forbid anyone if there was known facts that he COULD made that not happening.

Sometimes comspirating is a bit too exagerated.

[StrayRogue]

Why then did he put such a short time on the allowed investigation commision then (May 27th)?

What about Project Bojinka?

The London Telegraph reported a few days after the 11th September attacks that:

“Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent…

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation… [They] linked the plot to Osama bin Laden.”

As September neared, multiple authoritative intelligence warnings surfaced with increasing intensity, warning of a terrorist attack against the U.S. We should recall that in response to ECHELON’s warnings, U.S. intelligence agencies were already on alert for evidence of a very specific Project Bojinka-style operation, which would target key buildings in Washington and New York. The White House National Coordinator for Counterterrorism, based on CIA confirmation, had alerted all domestic security and intelligence agencies of an impending Al-Qaeda attack, to be implemented in several weeks time, at the beginning of July. According to Chief Investigative Counsel David Schippers, U.S. sources had informed him as early as May that the intelligence community had credible information of an imminent attack targeting the “financial district of lower Manhattan,” and that intelligence officers throughout the country were frustrated by high-level blocks on investigations and information. The FBI appears to have had specific information indicating that the World Trade Centre was thus the most probable target. Against this background, the multiple warnings of an impending attack by Osama bin Laden from a variety of credible authorities should have increasingly reinforced the overall intelligence confirmation of the attacks.

French intelligence had also warned their U.S. counterparts of an impending attack in September. The respected French daily Le Figaro reported that:

“According to Arab diplomatic sources as well as French intelligence, very specific information was transmitted to the CIA with respect to terrorist attacks against American interests around the world, including on U.S. soil. A DST [French intelligence] report dated 7 September enumerates all the intelligence, and specifies that the order to attack was to come from Afghanistan.”

According to the London Independent, the U.S. government “was warned repeatedly that a devastating attack on the United States was on its way.” The newspaper cited an interview given by Osama bin Laden to a London-based Arabic-language newspaper, al-Quds al-Arabi, in late August. At about the same time, tighter security measures were ordered at the World Trade Center, for unexplained reasons.

Further confirmation of the impending attacks came from the occurrence of other very specific warnings. Three days after the terrorist attacks, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein pointed out that: “Bin Laden’s people had made statements three weeks ago carried in the Arab press in Great Britain that they were preparing to carry out unprecedented attacks in the U.S.”

Just some info for you out there.

[Skirmisher]

You may wish to retitle your poll Stray.

If you asked in the first place if I thought Bush could have done a better job you would have gotten a hell yes from me.

What your current title does however is to imply that he would have let thousands of people die on purpose and thats going a bit far so no yes vote from me.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
You may wish to retitle your poll Stray.

If you asked in the first place if I thought Bush could have done a better job you would have gotten a hell yes from me.

What your current title does however is to imply that he would have let thousands of people die on purpose and thats going a bit far so no yes vote from me.

Perhaps too "Did he know of an impending attack?"

[Bobmuhthol]

I don't think he absolutely knew, but I'm sure there was suspicion of something.

Also, it never would have happened if he wasn't President. If Al Gore won, they'd just exist. But with Bush, who executes everyone without consideration, they had to prove a point before he killed them all.

[Edited on 1-12-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Xcalibur]

You know that these bastards planned an attack to Montreal? to Vancouver? to almost anywhere?

It's, in my opinion, impossible to be 100% safe in any countries.

France got bank robber that fire rocket launcher to armored car to get the loot.

Israel got tons and tons of kamikazes, as many many other "terrorist" attacks EVERYWHERE, even in the UK.

Did he knew there could had problem? yes
Was it possible to counter that attack (planned since what, 5 years? from the INTERIOR?) no

[StrayRogue]

OK then, do you think he could have done a better job at protecting his country with whatever evidence he may have had?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
If Al Gore won,
He did. ;)

Originally posted by Xcalibur
It's, in my opinion, impossible to be 100% safe in any countries.
You can be 100% safe but you'd have 0% freedom. Which would be just as bad if not worse.

[Ravenstorm]

Did Bush KNOW there were going to be planes headed on 9/11? Hell no.

Did he have reason to suspect some kind of attack some time? Sure. Just like Clinton did.

As much as I loathe Dubya, he isn't to blame for 9/11.

Raven

[Bobmuhthol]

Clinton was the best President of our time.

You'll notice that no planes killed thousands of people when he was President.

[Anebriated]

If anyknow KNEW about the attack it was the CIA. They would have learned about the attack before G-Dub and would have acted on it before it got any further. As much as i dislike Bush i cant point a finger at him for 9/11.

[HarmNone]

The blame for 9/11 cannot be laid at the feet of the Shrub, in my opinion, however I might loathe him. However, I do believe he was informed of the probability of strikes against the US on our soil. I also believe he failed to act quickly enough to increase security. He was not alone in doing so, though. As has been said previously, terrorism had been on the increase for a long time. There were several presidents who should have been more diligent and farsighted.

HarmNone

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Clinton was the best President of our time.

You'll notice that no planes killed thousands of people when he was President.

I was just going to say the exact same thing about William Henry Harrison.

Raven

[HarmNone]

Heh. Same thing for U.S. Grant, but I do not think anyone is going to crown him with the title of Greatest President in the History of the World! :D

HarmNone

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. Same thing for U.S. Grant, but I do not think anyone is going to crown him with the title of Greatest President in the History of the World! :D

HarmNone

Why that would be Andrew Jackson of course.

[peam]

Tin Foil is the new black.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. Same thing for U.S. Grant, but I do not think anyone is going to crown him with the title of Greatest President in the History of the World! :D

HarmNone

Why that would be Andrew Jackson of course.

Um, hello? Taft? Jackson was just in the right place at the right time with the right attitude.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by HarmNone
The blame for 9/11 cannot be laid at the feet of the Shrub, in my opinion, however I might loathe him. However, I do believe he was informed of the probability of strikes against the US on our soil. I also believe he failed to act quickly enough to increase security. He was not alone in doing so, though. As has been said previously, terrorism had been on the increase for a long time. There were several presidents who should have been more diligent and farsighted.

HarmNone

While we may never actually know... I seriously doubt anyone came to George's office on 9/10 saying "You know Mr. President, there is reason to believe that some terrorists may try to attack the US soon."

There has always been that 'threat' out there, but we didn't think it could happen to us.

9/11 changed that.

And anyone that thinks that George W. knew about the attacks didn't see the footage of his face when he was told in a Sarasota school.

He didn't know.. but it sure is fun to play Conspiracy Theory!

[Varsus]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Clinton was the best President of our time.


Um no.




Was Bush aware that Osama Bin Laden planned an attack on America along the scale of 9/11, or was he totally unware as to what was happening? More specifically, do you think with the evidence he had at hand, he could have done a better job at securing the lives of all those lost?

Did he know?

I personally do not think he had a hand in the events. But I also personally (yes this is just what I think) think that the president is just a man with his head in the sand and that half the time things that go on around here are A: out of his control and/or B: over his head.

Would having had a different president have changed the events? i doubt it.

Did america need a reason to start a manhunt/war? Yes.
Was this that reason? Yes.
Could someone have instigated 9/11 just for that reason? Yes
Did they? Who knows.

Don't trust anyone, you have been given the freedom (if you live here) to have your own views ect... take advantage of it.

If you just turn your back you will have your rights
taken away.

-Varsus (They Are Out There)

[Edited on 1-12-2004 by Varsus]

[Siefer]

I doubt Bush knew that a large scale attack was imminent. Either way, blame Clinton. No explanation needed.