Advanced training in the Minor Spell circles

[Fallen]

Once your sorcerer has spells up to 130, and 430, how will you train your character?

I am not so much worried about how you got there, rather which circle will you concentrate on once you reach this point.

Also, if someone can list the exact benifits from training past those two spell ranks (430, 130) in terms of future spells, DS, TD, and CS benifits, it would be appreciated.

[StrayRogue]

Well for the 400's you have 435 - Major Elemental Wave. Plus, going up to 475 will max out the benefits from 425 and 430.

As for spirit, its pointless going beyond 140 (Walls) unless you want your Spirit CS nice enough to cast Unbalance and Web. Personally, I'd single MnE and Sorc.

[Xcalibur]

430 is uncaped, capped to your level though

435 is pure crap, too costy for the benefice of it.

yeah delete your post when you're wrong, moron :cool:

[Edited on 11-1-04 by Xcalibur]

[StrayRogue]

430 is capped. You can't over train in MnE to gain anymore benefit.

[Edited on 11-1-04 by StrayRogue]

[Xcalibur]

430 is uncapped, but capped at your level. so at level 75 when 425 is capped, you should single MinorE still.

What did you say to my kid? and you wish me what?

[StrayRogue]

Sorc CS is more important. DS isn't. If you've gotten to 140 in MnS and 475 in MnE you are below 1x in Sorc unless you've tripled. Remember, TD's vs Sorc spells are higher than any other TDs.

[Fallen]

Your forgetting the added bonus of training in Minor spiritual for DS, from the spell Airwall.

Any sorcerers want to chime in? Adrinden, Serberis?

[Edited on 1-11-2004 by Fallen]

[Fallen]

Yay, no one posted my mistake before I corrected.

[StrayRogue]

While the 102 bonus is a bonus, I feel there is a much greater benefit from training the two other circles:
Sorcerery adds to your primary attack CS, but also adds DS via cloak of Shadows.
Minor Elemental adds DS via Barrier, but also CS via Targeting.

[Trinitis]

Alright, first and formost, these are my own personal views. I'm not going to sit here and bicker back and forth with these two who seem to enjoy that. I was asked for my thoughts and imput, so thats what I'm giving.

Starting with the 700's, 712 adds a very nice touch to your DS, but is capped at your level (ie over training in sorc spells will grant no extra DS from 712.) so I would just 1x the 700's for life.

As for the 400's/100's battle..I've looked it over a few times during my retrainings...and this is what I desided.


400's : 425 is capped at a max bonus of +25 CS for sorcerers, so I am going to train in 400's untill this cap is reached.

430 IS uncapped, +15 DS (vrs all) and +15 TD. it grows at a +1 to DS (vrs all) and TD for every 2 ranks in 400's, over 30.."soft" capped at 100 ranks in the circle.

Now, spirital spells have two like this..

102 is uncapped, with a 20 DS (vrs all) and +1 DS for every 2 spell ranks above 2, soft capped at 100.

120 is uncapped, with a +15 DS (vrs all) and +1 to for every 2 spell ranks above 20, soft capped at 100 It also grants a flat +20 TD.

now, following these spell discriptions (which I pulled right from the GS4 website), the possible maxes are such.

425 : +25 CS which is gained at 49 ranks of 400's.

430: +50 DS vrs all, and +50 TD at 100 ranks of 400's

102: +69 DS vrs all, -69 AS at 100 ranks of 100's

120: +60 DS vrs all, +20 TD at 100 ranks of 100's.

All told, if you maxed 400's, you would get +25 CS and +50 DS and TD

If you maxed 100's, you would get +129 DS, and +20 TD.

More TD is granted from Elemental circle. But I find TD is not lacking since Cloak covers that very well. I opted to push my elemntals to 50 ranks, then drive my spirit up to the soft cap, and then dump my remaining spell ranks into sorcerery for the CS.

-Adredrin

[Fallen]

That will do it Adredrin, my thanks.

[Trinitis]

Not a problem :)

-Adredrin

[Anebriated]

I went close to Adredrin's training, currently at 425 and 107, if all goes as planned i will go to 430, then 120, then most likely work till 450, then 150, then up to the elemental cap, with my triples in spells that will put me around +25 CS(425), +50 DS(430), +48 DS(102), +20 DS/+20 TD(102). All told that is +118 DS, +25 CS, and +20 TD at cap. I think i did the calculations correctly anyway...

[Syberus]

I'll be singled in all three spell circles eventually. And No I'm not kidding. Right now at 84 I have 84 Sorcerer ranks, 74 elemental and 40 spirit, going to start singling Sorcerer/spiritual until cap and then finish trippling.

[Anebriated]

I believe it. When my sorc hits the cap hell be at 100 ranks of sorcerer, 75 elemental, and 54 spirit. By the time that comes i might drop some lesser training requirements and work more on spell training though.

[Fallen]

Im guessing you are all stick handlers by your spell training regimens?

[Ryenn]

Originally posted by Adredrin
Alright, first and formost, these are my own personal views. I'm not going to sit here and bicker back and forth with these two who seem to enjoy that. I was asked for my thoughts and imput, so thats what I'm giving.

Starting with the 700's, 712 adds a very nice touch to your DS, but is capped at your level (ie over training in sorc spells will grant no extra DS from 712.) so I would just 1x the 700's for life.

As for the 400's/100's battle..I've looked it over a few times during my retrainings...and this is what I desided.


400's : 425 is capped at a max bonus of +25 CS for sorcerers, so I am going to train in 400's untill this cap is reached.

430 IS uncapped, +15 DS (vrs all) and +15 TD. it grows at a +1 to DS (vrs all) and TD for every 2 ranks in 400's, over 30.."soft" capped at 100 ranks in the circle.

Now, spirital spells have two like this..

102 is uncapped, with a 20 DS (vrs all) and +1 DS for every 2 spell ranks above 2, soft capped at 100.

120 is uncapped, with a +15 DS (vrs all) and +1 to for every 2 spell ranks above 20, soft capped at 100 It also grants a flat +20 TD.

now, following these spell discriptions (which I pulled right from the GS4 website), the possible maxes are such.

425 : +25 CS which is gained at 49 ranks of 400's.

430: +50 DS vrs all, and +50 TD at 100 ranks of 400's

102: +69 DS vrs all, -69 AS at 100 ranks of 100's

120: +60 DS vrs all, +20 TD at 100 ranks of 100's.

All told, if you maxed 400's, you would get +25 CS and +50 DS and TD

If you maxed 100's, you would get +129 DS, and +20 TD.

More TD is granted from Elemental circle. But I find TD is not lacking since Cloak covers that very well. I opted to push my elemntals to 50 ranks, then drive my spirit up to the soft cap, and then dump my remaining spell ranks into sorcerery for the CS.

-Adredrin


I know I am reviving an old thread, but is this information still accurate? Thanks in advance for any response.

[Syberus]

the Cap for 425 is 25 Sorcerer CS but it's at 73 ranks not 49, other than that the info is correct

[Fallen]

Wow, this is a golden oldy. Still, very useful info.