Archer bard...

[Kitsun]

Anyone ever try an archer bard?

I was toying with the numbers for an elf.

Anyone know offhanded if bard songs add to ranged AS? I'm pretty sure they work with bolts but no idea about the other thingy.

[Soulpieced]

All I know is the only really worthwhile race for a bard archer is giant. While the other races will have a higher AS, giants have the lowest possible RT. Here was one of my later templates for an archer.

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Armor Use..........................| 190 90 90
Ranged Weapons.....................| 302 202 202
Ambush.............................| 201 101 101
Physical Fitness...................| 200 100 100
Dodging............................| 201 101 101
Arcane Symbols.....................| 90 20 20
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20 20
Harness Power......................| 201 101 101
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 120 30 30
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 70 15 15
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 182 82 82
Disarming Traps....................| 120 30 30
Picking Locks......................| 130 35 35
Stalking and Hiding................| 105 25 25
Perception.........................| 302 202 202
Climbing...........................| 90 20 20
Swimming...........................| 90 20 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 40 40
Bard...............................| 61 61

[theotherjohn]

can a bard create a bow via song?

can a bard create arrows via song?


p.s. anyone want to give me a bard?

[StrayRogue]

According to https://www.play.net/gs4/info/spells/spelllist.asp?circle=10#1012 , No you can't. Remember though 5x arrows, and a 5x bow (both easily obtainable) equal the 10x cap you can have anyway. Being able to sing up a 7x bow isn't exactly needed.

[Edited on 11-1-04 by StrayRogue]

[Soulpieced]

Basically all you need to have a 10x weapon as an archer is get a 5x bow, master fletching, and e-blade the arrows.

[Kitsun]

I don't think so TOJ. I didn't see it on their list of sonic weapons.

I chose elf for RP purpose. I thought it wouldn't be too bad with that new haste/dodge song bards got.

Although I will take into consideration your choice of lores and spell training.

[Soulpieced]

And sonic bows or arrows will most likely (95% chance) not be implemented.

[Celexei]

Needin a bit of advice for my trainin, i'm not gettin in my lores as i need and my songs are really throwin me off, shootin the nerves and all. Maybe my stats are all wrong, maybe my skills are, any info ya wanna give is much appreciatted!

Name: ******* Race: Sylvankind Profession: Bard (shown as: Poetess)
Gender: Female Age: 0 Expr: 117304 Level: 10
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Constitution (CON): 67 (8) ... 67 (8)
Dexterity (DEX): 80 (25) ... 80 (25)
Agility (AGI): 68 (14) ... 68 (14)
Discipline (DIS): 73 (6) ... 73 (6)
Aura (AUR): 87 (23) ... 87 (23)
Logic (LOG): 57 (3) ... 57 (3)
Intuition (INT): 51 (0) ... 51 (0)
Wisdom (WIS): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Influence (INF): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Mana: 42 Silver: 10946


(at level 10), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 54 11
Ranged Weapons.....................| 96 22
Ambush.............................| 54 11
Physical Fitness...................| 54 11
Dodging............................| 54 11
Harness Power......................| 54 11
Elemental Mana Control.............| 54 11
Stalking and Hiding................| 58 12
Perception.........................| 70 15
Climbing...........................| 15 3
Swimming...........................| 10 2

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 1

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 10
Training Points: 13 Phy 0 Mnt (98 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Artha]

Needin a bit of advice for my trainin

If you can't double in hide, don't bother unless you plan on underhunting significantly.

[Anebriated]

The oldest Bardic Archer before reallocation was announced was a half-elf. He is an amazing hunter, extremely powerful. Bards can do very well with archery if they can make it past the first 20-30 trains. Song of tonis with a composite means your firing in about second. Im not sure how it works now with GS4 but im sure it will be viable.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Artha

Needin a bit of advice for my trainin

If you can't double in hide, don't bother unless you plan on underhunting significantly.

Which also means drop ambush. Double in perception. If you train in one of the mental lores(telepathy I believe) you can increase song renewal durations.

I would calculate how much each renewal costs you and try to stay above that during hunts.

[Artha]

Ambush boosts archery AS, so keep it.

[Anebriated]

youd be better off dropping the ambush and trying to get 425. The ambush only aids your AS by 1 point for every 4 ranks over 40. So you need 44 ranks before you get 1 additional AS.

[Artha]

I thout it was +1 for every 2 ranks. I'd go with dropping it, as it is now.

[Anebriated]

im fairly sure its (((ranks ambush>40)+(ranks perception>40))/4) which would make it divided by 2... I need a nap... either way its not worth it IMHO.

[Kitsun]

I balked at the point cost of 4/4 per rank. It was horrendous. Even if it were 2 per, it'd only kick in after level 40, seeing as you can't double in it. So the first 160/160 is just a sink before you see the AS boost effect.

[Celexei]

SOOOO all and all what is a good set up for runnin the bardic archery? I'm open for suggestions

2x ranged
?? ambush
?? perception
?? lore
and all that what not any good plans would be appreciatted

[Artha]

Don't train ambush, and get as much perception as you can.

[Celexei]

makes since, i'm goin out on a limb here sayin i'm gonna have to find a way to pick up telepathy lore, but since i'm not usin the sonic weapon or shield and more than likely not armor i don't believe i'll need air lore.

[Kitsun]

2x Ranged
2x Perception
1x Armor
1x Physical
1x Dodge
1x Mental Lore: Telepathy
1x Harness Power
1x Spell

I believe that was the basic template I used before my bard went TWC. Its maintainable to an extent. I would actually consider sticking to 1x perception until you get whatever mana control skill level you want.

I would choose telepathy to keep the bard songs running longer. More mana to use for lullabye then without worrying too much about frying the nerves.

[Celexei]

that actually sounds like a really good plan, i'm gonna look into that see what i can tweak and all, cause right now, she kicks hardcore, but those songs are just havin probs. Your not goin for any hiding then?

[Galleazzo]

Also you don't have the points to single Mana Control and why bother anyway? 10x better off using those points for lores.

[Soulpieced]

Look back at the template in the beginning of the thread.

[Shari]

So I have been considering this route for awhile but I'm a bit concerned. Right now, swinging a lance I have an attack of 211 with 32 ranks in polearms at a level of 14. I'd like to use a bow but I'm afraid I'm going to loose the attack strength I have now. Is there annyone currently around that level that uses bows that I can compare with?

Let me know. Thanks.

[Edaarin]

At lvl 14, the most your attack could be with a ranged weapon as a Sylvan Bard is 124 + 30 + 35 + however much you get from Kai + 28 = 217 + Kai's song

That's assuming you have maxed out dexterity. Looks comparable to your AS now.

[Shari]

I have a 77 in dex. I'm thinking I'll just wait it out should we get another opportunity to reallocate or adjust our skills with zero migration time.

Thanks for the help.

[Artha]

At lvl 14, the most your attack could be with a ranged weapon as a Sylvan Bard is 124 + 30 + 35 + however much you get from Kai + 28 = 217 + Kai's song

Assuming you grab a 4x bow and take the time to learn fletching and grab some Arcane Symbols training, you can add 45 to that (20 for the 4x bow, 5 for master fletching, 20 for e-bladed arrows).

[Shari]

I don't have the faintest idea how to fletch. Or even how to go about leaerning how to do so.

[Bobmuhthol]

Mastering fletching = Not playing for 40 hours.

[Celexei]

Or you could have me do it, i gladly sell my fletching services, if ya interested lets me know. LOTSA options

[Edaarin]

You don't even need to learn how to fletch. E-blade your arrows and get a 4x bow. That's a fast 8x weapon, the bonus automatically adjusts to however much you can hold at the time.