Reporting bugs

[AestheticDeath]

Say you find a bug that can make a ton of coins.

You have to report it. Obviously.

Do you use the normal cheesy bug report thing, or do you think it would be important enough that not every GM in the stable should know of it, and try to find the party who can actually fix it?

[Joe]

Depends on who you play, probably... heh.

[BigWorm]

I have David Whatley's private cell number (because we are BFFs) so I'd just ring him up and tell him to get to work.

[AestheticDeath]

hah

[Khariz]

I don't report bugs. Favorable ones, anyway. Sorry...I just don't.

[BigWorm]

I don't report bugs. Favorable ones, anyway. Sorry...I just don't.

Sounds like a fun way to get banned!

[Khariz]

Sounds like a fun way to get banned!

Yeah...cause it's resulted in SO MANY bans in 13 years (read: none to me).

[Khariz]

I might make a post to explain what I mean by beneficial bugs that I don't feel need reported. These types of bugs include, but are not limited to:

1. Spells functioning incorrectly on certain types of mobs (IE Boneshatter killing trollkings in one hit with the crit message). This is the classic example. All I'm doing is prepping a spell and casting it at a monster. I *know* that the monster isn't supposed to be able to be crit-killed, but this spell crit-kills it anyway. Not my problem, and I'm not gonna report it. I give this example, because someone just reported an empath spell for doing just this to troll kings, and a GM said it was a bug and that it would be fixed. He didn't say you couldn't use the spell on them in the meantime. Why? Cause you can still kill the mobs the CORRECT way with the spell, just some fluke is invovled that allows the spell to be buggy sometimes. Not my problem that it helps me.

2. Items or weapons having benefits they shouldn't have. There's a certain item I sold recently that has some major perks to it that it really shouldn't have. I'm not gonna explain what they are, cause I don't want the item nerfed. Too bad, so sad. As long as the perk doesn't give you exp you shouldn't be getting or allow you to mess with the in-game level training system, I'm not concerned with little perks.

These are the types of bugs that I have become aware of often over the past 13 years and have chosen to do nothing about, all while reaping the benefits of them myself. If/when someone says something and the bug gets fixed, I deal with it and move on.

Now if you are talking about something like...this certain bug in one of the CHE houses, involving a lock that needs picked, that you can get unlimited EXP from and level like a bitch...that's the type of bug that I wouldn't dream of abusing, as it nets me extra EXP that I should have.

[BigWorm]

Say you find a bug that can make a ton of coins.


Now if you are talking about something like...this certain bug in one of the CHE houses, involving a lock that needs picked, that you can get unlimited EXP from and level like a bitch...that's the type of bug that I wouldn't dream of abusing, as it nets me extra EXP that I should have.

Yeah that would be pretty much exactly what we are talking about. And exactly the type of bug that would get you banned.

[Khariz]

Yeah that would be pretty much exactly what we are talking about. And exactly the type of bug that would get you banned.

I think I'm having reading comprehension problems, then. Sorry.

[NocturnalRob]

I think I'm having reading comprehension problems, then. Sorry.

i don't think so. since when do coins = exp?

[Khariz]

Well at either rate, I was assuming the scope of the thread was "all bugs".

[AestheticDeath]

Scope can be whatever you want it to be. In my case, it was basically unlimited silvers.

Thats bananananable....

I was freaking excited when I found it though.... Hated every second I typed up the bug report.

As soon as they fix it, I will tell everyone what it was!

Bad thing is, some other people might have already stumbled onto it a while back, and been reaping the rewards ever since. Scary nerdy billionaires could lurk among us.

[Danical]

I report all of them TO MY SUPER SECRET GM BUDDY who tells me to submit it via normal means.

:shrug:

[AestheticDeath]

I'm crazy that way. I don't trust the GMs! Figure the less people that know the better.

Probably could have done the normal BUG thing. But I hate submitting things blind and not knowing whether it's going to be taken care of or not.

Small things like room typos don't matter, but something like this is kinda big IMO.

[Galactic]

like 10 years ago or maybe a little more recent. I found a bug in the Teras pawnshop. I could buy, I cant remember some glaes greaves or something from the armory and make a couple thousand coin when selling them back to the pawnshop. I abused the hell out of that for a week. The GMs somehow tracked it and I got a one month ban from it, and they also wiped my bank account.. I never abused anything since, they seem to be watchin. Plus I realized I was ruinin the game for other people. Sorry, whatever my point is I dont know how they were trackin it, because I didnt tell a soul.

[Stanley Burrell]

Now if you are talking about something like...this certain bug in one of the CHE houses, involving a lock that needs picked, that you can get unlimited EXP from and level like a bitch...that's the type of bug that I wouldn't dream of abusing, as it nets me extra EXP that I should have.

I am proud of CHE members and their officers. There will never be, say, a treasurer who would withdraw from the general endowment. CHE's are etched in TOS-abiding glue; and, if you say otherwise, I'll put in earplugs and say, and I quote: "La la la la la la la la, ooh-hoo-hoo."

...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/play/682/

[Krinthalis]

When the skilled master tasks in alchemy first started paying you for what you made for them, I found a bug which made them give like 100x too much. I just sent a report, and they told me to keep doing it so they could see what it was. They let me keep the coin too, which was like maybe 100k or so. So I'd bet if you report it right away, and its not a ridiculous amount of silver, you'll probably get to keep it too.

[AestheticDeath]

Nah, I had to give it back.

[Krinthalis]

Lame. How much was it?

[AestheticDeath]

I only made a little bit, and stopped once I figured out it was a bug.

Anyways I got an RPA for turning it in.

You take a deep breath, and look around with renewed vigor. It is good to be alive, and an adventurer in this land.

And since I am on XXX right now, and just turned in a bounty:


Level: 26 Deeds: 21
Experience: 816316 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 23184 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 836562
Physical TPs: 40 Mana: 27/80 max
(214 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is completely saturated. It is imperative that you rest immediately!

You feel a strange sense of serenity and find that you are able to reflect on recent events with uncommon clarity and understanding.

>exp
Level: 26 Deeds: 21
Experience: 816538 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 22962 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 836858
Physical TPs: 40 Mana: 49/80 max
(214 Phy converted to Mnt)


I am getting 222 a pulse... - coulda been higher cause I was not fried when I turned in the bounty.

[Danical]

I've turned in probably 7 major bugs and never once got an RPA.

Eh.

[Askip]

When I started playing I abused the hell out of the bug that would occasionally let you keep skinning the same critter. I got rich, must have made 10k!

D

[AnticorRifling]

Have they fixed the bug that let you have unlimited fixskills? Man I loved that one, it was like playing in a test realm or playing WoW anytime I wanted to try something or tweak something BOOM new skills.

[Drew]

I think people aren't devious enough when they find bugs. I've never found a really good bug so I've never been tempted, but if I were I would slowly milk the system. Everyone tries to make a million silvers immediately. I'd work it slowly and try to make 20 million over a year.

Who am I kidding, I'd be too lazy to work any bug that required more than pulling a lever.

[AnticorRifling]

I think people aren't devious enough when they find bugs. I've never found a really good bug so I've never been tempted, but if I were I would slowly milk the system. Everyone tries to make a million silvers immediately. I'd work it slowly and try to make 20 million over a year.

Who am I kidding, I'd be too lazy to work any bug that required more than pulling a lever.

The one I used I scripted to complete over an 8 hour period each time. That way it wasn't super obvious and it never got flagged to my knowledge.

[NocturnalRob]

The one I used I scripted to complete over an 8 hour period each time. That way it wasn't super obvious and it never got flagged to my knowledge.

CHEATER!!!

[AnticorRifling]

CHEATER!!!

Yeah. I used it on my alts alot. Once or twice when I was tweaking my polearm spec on Anticor. It was funny to go out sword and board, and the next time I grouped with someone I was polearm spec'd.

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah. I used it on my alts alot. Once or twice when I was tweaking my polearm spec on Anticor. It was funny to go out sword and board, and the next time I grouped with someone I was polearm spec'd.

and just as effective with each one. i'd be freaked out.

[AestheticDeath]

I think people aren't devious enough when they find bugs. I've never found a really good bug so I've never been tempted, but if I were I would slowly milk the system. Everyone tries to make a million silvers immediately. I'd work it slowly and try to make 20 million over a year.

Who am I kidding, I'd be too lazy to work any bug that required more than pulling a lever.

You don't think big enough, this bug could have made 20m in an hour.

Not likely, as there was chance involved. But possible.

[Morrff]

I was freaking excited when I found it though.... Hated every second I typed up the bug report.

As soon as they fix it, I will tell everyone what it was!

They fix it yet, I am still curious to know what you found that was so special

Only bug I ever abused that I can remember was back around 01-02 in Teras. I didn't consider it a bug when I first started doing it, just thought it the prize for figuring out the puzzle, then I smartend up! It was the bug for getting deeds for one silver coin each. I ended up with just under 1'000 deeds on 4 characters and 1 had over 1'200 something when I stopped.

That's not to say that I've found plenty more and just do not use them, turned a few in that were detrimental to the game but let most slide.

There's a few out there still that are pretty nice for exp, but it's not worth the risk. I leave these and don't report them because they're not going to impact the game for the worst, but mainly so I can get a chuckle when I hear about someone getting banned for abusing them.

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah, I think i'm too straight forward in my gaming approach to ever figure any of these out, but I don't think risking ban is worth it.

[Warriorbird]

I've turned in some... used some... and done some that weren't technically bugs but exploits.

I think the only one I feel guilty about turning in was the free Landing trip for Warriors in Teras.

[Some Rogue]

Aren't all rides to the the Landing from Teras free? :puzzled:

Unless it was instantaneous or something..not sure what you're getting at.

[Drew]

You don't think big enough, this bug could have made 20m in an hour.

Not likely, as there was chance involved. But possible.



That's my point exactly, if you add 20 mil to your account in one day they're gonna notice. Add 50 mil over a year, I doubt it.

[AestheticDeath]

Who says its going into your account? Even then, I add 100-300m a day sometimes selling things without using exchange, so theyd have to do leg work looking into all that. I know damn well I am not the only person exchanging large amounts of coins like that.

And even then, I have a ton of characters I could have spread it over. And since it was a multi-part bug, they wouldn't have noticed it for a long time.

Also, unless that bug nets you 20-50m a year, with the push of a couple keys once a day/week. It's not much of a bug. Most people make a lot more then that just hunting or merchanting.


Yeah, I think i'm too straight forward in my gaming approach to ever figure any of these out, but I don't think risking ban is worth it.

Ditto! It was just a fluke that this happened to me. Otherwise I always hear about people finding bugs and its like... How exactly did you 'find' that?

I think I have only ever come across one other bug that was bad, and it wasn't that bad. It was mostly just gaining time, or not losing it. You still lost coins.

[Morrff]

I was freaking excited when I found it though.... Hated every second I typed up the bug report.

As soon as they fix it, I will tell everyone what it was!

They fix it yet? I'm still curious as to what it was. PM me if you don't want to make public.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm not telling anyone till it is fixed. And I doubt the GMs had time to look at it yet.

[Lulfas]

It's not really a bug discovery, but I put together the idea that you could throw trash for experience with buying 25 fletchings for 24 silver and got a friend to script a Cleric (back in the meditate days). So less than 1 silver per exp point, sitting perma-fried meditating in the storeroom of the Temple.

[Audriana]

I turned in a bug in plat where the sacks in the rogue guild weren't claspable anymore and got an RPA for it.

[Flurbins]

Have they fixed the bug that let you have unlimited fixskills? Man I loved that one, it was like playing in a test realm or playing WoW anytime I wanted to try something or tweak something BOOM new skills.

I don't think they ever fixed this one, they just said if they catch you doing it on purpose they'll just outright ban you, but it's too much of a pain in the ass to actually fix.

[Audriana]

what was that bug? ::cough:: just so I don't... you know... accidently do it...

[Flurbins]

I'm certain I wouldn't know, especially since I never decide to wildly alter my characters training plans when I don't have fixskills available.

And it isn't so much a free fixskills bug, as an infinite training points bug, and when you log in the game will catch it and force you into fixskills if you hav more tps spent than allowed at that level.

or so I hear.

[joehollywood]

I've reported 3 bugs in game rather than using the bug command...those being

Last years ebon gate festival

Report 1 - there was a shop where you could pull cloaks off the rack for free, they didn't charge you the selling price...I gave back all the cloaks and got an RPA for 150xp - actually ruined a bit of my gift...so more of a hinderance than a reward

Report 2 - there was a glitch with an item and I don't remember the specifics but you ended up getting the item for free AND it was a container that held a VLA and weighed 2 pounds ( in the same shop )...had to give the stuff back, and was given no kind of "reward", and told that I should "stop trying to get away with stuff"

Report 3 - this years elanthia wonders thing. when it first opened the place where you got the globes was broken, I picked up like 20 or 30 some "souveneirs" for free...I reported that and got a 75 exp RPA and was scolded for "breaking their cottage"...it was sarcastic and I can see in this case the GM was "trying" to be humorous, she even said she was a mother and would have caught me if I hadn't reported it...

Point being said...

The last two major events, one of which was a pay event, I had three bugs big enough to report with broken mechanics big enough where folks could just remove stuff for free.

I got 225xp, a somewhat ruined gift, and spoken to like I wasn't worth their time...to fix THIER glitches...

Needless to say, I discover any more, I won't abuse them, but I won't alert them to the presence either...it's not my job to QC their product for them.

[grenthor]

got an RPA for 150xp - actually ruined a bit of my gift...so more of a hinderance than a reward


i guess I'm missing something here but how does free experience ruin things for you?

[joehollywood]

the small, here's a few xp RPA's, will partially fill your bucket just like killing a few creatures...

your gift will only run while there is XP "in the bucket"...you maximize it by staying fried or saturated and on a node for as many pulses as possible.

by giveing a 150xp RPA I have the choice to ruin ( not maximize ) about 10 minutes or that first 3 hours of awesomeness, or to stop roleplaying and shopping and what not at the festival and go powerhunt.

I think someone had a thread somewhere about how RPA's are detrimental to good RP somewhere on these threads