DrugDealerCindy.com

[ClydeR]

DrugDealerCindy.com (http://drugdealercindy.com/cindy-mcain-drug-dealer.php) is a new website that tries to educate voters about what a pervasively negative effect alcohol has on society. Cindy McCain owns the nation's largest distributor of alcohol. That makes here a drug dealer.

According to the website, 12,000 people have died in America so far this year from alcohol, and that doesn't even include deaths related to drunk driving.

Normally, I would support the goals of the above website, but its real purpose is to legalize marijuana, which I certainly oppose. Marijuana may be safer than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it should be legal.

If McCain is elected, then a drug dealer like Cindy should not serve as the first lady. I wonder if Paris Hilton would agree to do it? :)

[Gan]

I smell a defamation suit (libel) eminent.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/learningtewfly/DDC.jpg


And lol at the inference about supporting pot over alcohol. WAY TO GO CLYDER!!!

[Asha]

/sigh.
Here I was thinking there would be an awesome new doll to get my swimsuit Ken to fuck in the bath.

[RichardCranium]

Lol @ "drug dealer". Personal accountability FTW.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Normally, I would support the goals of the above website, but its real purpose is to legalize marijuana, which I certainly oppose. Marijuana may be safer than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it should be legal.

Why aren't you pushing to make alcohol illegal then ClydeR! If you think weed is BETTER than alcohol, then don't you believe what is WORSE be made illegal too?

(Still disbelieving ClydeR is real)

[ClydeR]

Why aren't you pushing to make alcohol illegal then ClydeR! If you think weed is BETTER than alcohol, then don't you believe what is WORSE be made illegal too?

If it were up to me, alcohol would be illegal. However, I recognize that there is currently insufficient public support to make it illegal.

[Fallen]

What the hell would there be to do get a legal high? Oxygen bars?

[Latrinsorm]

The EUCHARIST and the ETERNAL ABIDING LOVE of CHRIST ALMIGHTY AMEN AMEN!!!

[NocturnalRob]

If it were up to me, alcohol would be illegal. However, I recognize that there will never be sufficient public support to make it illegal.

fixed for you. moran.

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/681/681821/untouchables-cast_1137616950-000.jpg

[Gan]

Sex also works.

[Gan]

fixed for you. moran.

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/681/681821/untouchables-cast_1137616950-000.jpg

"Just like a wap, bringing a knife to a gunfight."

Outstanding movie. :)

[Fallen]

The funny part is, a few moments later he gets shot to shit.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

What the hell would there be to do get a legal high? Oxygen bars?

Get cranked up on caffeine and sugar, I'd imagine.

That or just say "fuck being legal" and do all the drugs and alcohol you want.

[AnticorRifling]

"Just like a wap, bringing a knife to a gunfight."

Outstanding movie. :)

wap?

[Some Rogue]

wap?

A masturbating Italian?

Wop + fap = Wap!

[AnticorRifling]

A masturbating Italian?

Wop + fap = Wap!

I will accept that answer.

[crb]

prohibition ftl

[Some Rogue]

I always liked this quote better from that movie..

"They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!"

[SolitareConfinement]

the thing that morons like Clyder don't seem to understand, is when you crimminalize something such as marijuana, you then lose all control over it and it becomes prohibition.

perfect example? it is 10x easier for an average 16 year old child to go on the streets and buy a bag of weed than it is for that same child to get a beer in his hands

[Gan]

wap?


A masturbating Italian?

Wop + fap = Wap!

Wop, Wap, Watevah.

[The Ponzzz]

WHO THE FUCK SUMMONED THE GREAT WOP TO THIS THREAD.

[Ashliana]

I think marijuana should be legal. Not out of any liking of the drug--I myself have no desire or interest of/in it. But there's no real justification for it being banned, while other substances equally or more dangerous (alcohol, tobacco) are legal.

If the pro-legalization movement didn't have such an annoying stereotype image as the dumbass teenager smoking a bong, along with retarded movies like "Pineapple Express" focusing on those stereotypes, the case for legalization would be much stronger.

But instead, you get dumbasses everywhere, like someone I ran into last night on Xbox Live: "BluntBlayza420," with profile quote: "Where Da Chronic @," and a custom character in Soul Calibur "Captain Chronic."

I'd almost support the illegality just to slightly hinder people like that from getting their hands on it.

[Khariz]

I think marijuana should be legal. Not out of any liking of the drug--I myself have no desire or interest of/in it. But there's no real justification for it being banned, while other substances equally or more dangerous (alcohol, tobacco) are legal.



Something you and I agree on! I'm swooning.

[RichardCranium]

But instead, you get dumbasses everywhere, like someone I ran into last night on Xbox Live: "BluntBlayza420," with profile quote: "Where Da Chronic @," and a custom character in Soul Calibur "Captain Chronic."

I'd almost support the illegality just to slightly hinder people like that from getting their hands on it.


What's your gamer tag?

[Jorddyn]

I'd almost support the illegality just to slightly hinder people like that from getting their hands on it.

I'd support making it fully legal, along with much harder drugs, in the hopes that people such as those do us all a favor and remove themselves from the gene pool.

/not nice mood

[The Ponzzz]

BluntBlayza420

[Methais]

Marijuana may be safer than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it should be legal.

This is probably the dumbest statement I've heard all year.

Alcohol causes stuff like this to happen:
http://clydethebiker.com/Dont_get_drunk.jpg

[The Ponzzz]

What I'd give for night with the back of her knee cap.

[Ashliana]

What's your gamer tag?

Going to try and pwn me at SoulCalibur? :p

Send me your gamertag and I'll add you tonight.

[crb]

10 quick reasons for legalizing marijauana

1. We waste a ton of money investigating, trying, and incarcerating people for only marijuana crimes. I'd rather spend the money and police resources on more important things, including dangerous drugs like Heroine.
2. We're sending money overseas to violet drug cartels who grow it, I'd rather pay an American farmer to grow it. Give all the hippy organic farmers another crop too.
3. Marijuana is a gateway drug because to get it you have to go to a criminal drug dealer, who more than likely is also selling something else. I'd rather you'd be able to get it at Rite Aid, and have it be a gateway to Mt. Dew and Fritos.
4. When marijuana is illegal it is unregulated and untested, there is no quality control making sure what you're getting is safe and hasn't been fucked with. I'd rather know that it is a business product someone stands behind.
5. In the grand scheme of things, it is a relatively benign drug. It doesn't impair judgement, it does not result in violent or aggressive behavior, you cannot OD on it, not accidentially anyways, and it is less chemically addictive than caffeine. A substance within it, cannibidiol, prevents brain damage, and it is high in antioxidants (when eaten, and not smoked, it is actually a health food).
6. In addition to spending money pursuing marijuana related offenses, we spend hundreds of millions flying around each year looking for naturally growing cannibis and it's cousins, to destroy it.
7. We could tax it. I'll take another vice consumption tax, use it to fund anti drug programs at schools, rehab, generic education, or whatever you like.
8. In a comparison with cigarettes, there is no comparison. A heavy smoker might do 2 packs a day or more. People who smoke weed often maybe smoke 1 joint a day, which is often shared with others. They can do this because it isn't chemically addictive, you don't get the shakes if you skip it.
9. I'm a gardener, and I think it'd be a hoot to hybridize my own strain. Of course then I'd have to worry about the neighbor kids raiding my yard.
10. Programs like DARE are full of shit and kids know they're full of shit. When DARE lies about marijuana, and kids know they're lying, they're likely to think they're lying about Heroine too. So... all the anti-marijuana bullshit out there probably contributes to people dismissing warnings about hard drugs.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

5. In the grand scheme of things, it is a relatively benign drug. It doesn't impair judgement, it does not result in violent or aggressive behavior, you cannot OD on it, not accidentially anyways, and it is less chemically addictive than caffeine. A substance within it, cannibidiol, prevents brain damage, and it is high in antioxidants (when eaten, and not smoked, it is actually a health food).


I'm in favor of the legalization of pot, but I would disagree on it "not impairing judgment". It impairs judgment and reflex time and can distort your perception, which makes someone who smokes and then say, drives, a liability.

HOWEVER, you just have to classify it the same way we do alcohol, "No driving under the influence of a control substance" and there you go.

[Ashliana]

I agree with your points except "does not affect judgment." It lowers your inhibitions, and thus, affects your judgment. Wouldn't you say so?

[Methais]

10. Programs like DARE are full of shit and kids know they're full of shit. When DARE lies about marijuana, and kids know they're lying, they're likely to think they're lying about Heroine too. So... all the anti-marijuana bullshit out there probably contributes to people dismissing warnings about hard drugs.

What kind of diarrhea is DARE spewing about pot these days? It can't be worse than those truth.com commercials. Can it?


I'm in favor of the legalization of pot, but I would disagree on it "not impairing judgment". It impairs judgment and reflex time and can distort your perception, which makes someone who smokes and then say, drives, a liability.

HOWEVER, you just have to classify it the same way we do alcohol, "No driving under the influence of a control substance" and there you go.

I tend to drive more carefully when I'm high. Never got in a wreck or even almost gotten in a wreck. When I'm sober though? Road rage can easily take over.

I usually only smoke when I'm at home and have nothing else that needs to be done for the day, except for mass amounts of PWNAGE.

I'm also less of a dick when I smoke. I could be in a massively heated argument with my girlfriend or something, then once I sit down and smoke, all the pissed off-ness goes away and peace once again rules the land. Then I go pwn more noobs.

I've also came up with some awesome cooking recipes that I wouldn't have come up with on a normal day. Stuff that's good even when you're sober.

It can sometimes make me suck horribly at online shooter games though. I just wanna rush in and go nuts. But then after getting pwned 47820348 times from it, I get my shit together and start pwning correctly again.

PLUS IT MAKES ME RP BETTER!!!!!!!!!11

Only users lose drugs.

[Stanley Burrell]

WHO THE FUCK SUMMONED THE GREAT WOP TO THIS THREAD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up_9oQQhOaY!!

[crb]

When I say "impairing judgement" I literally mean it does not impair the functioning of the frontal lobe which holds the judgement centers of the brain, unlike alcohol.

You can say that people who are high act different than people who are not high, but that is not the same thing as having impaired judgement.

People who are high, for instance, generally know the difference between right and wrong, and don't dumb or dangerous things, no jumping off the roof into the kiddie pool. Some dumb people get high and do dumb things, true, but that is because of who they are, not what they're on. And some people use being high as an excuse to do dumb things, but they know its dumb. Like people who drink non-alcoholic mixed drinks then act tipsy.

[The Ponzzz]

When I say "impairing judgement" I literally mean it does not impair the functioning of the frontal lobe which holds the judgement centers of the brain, unlike alcohol.

You can say that people who are high act different than people who are not high, but that is not the same thing as having impaired judgement.

People who are high, for instance, generally know the difference between right and wrong, and don't dumb or dangerous things, no jumping off the roof into the kiddie pool. Some dumb people get high and do dumb things, true, but that is because of who they are, not what they're on. And some people use being high as an excuse to do dumb things, but they know its dumb. Like people who drink non-alcoholic mixed drinks then act tipsy.

LOL @ this shit. You can't be serious. You're justifying getting high as ok, just dumb people screw it up?

[Apathy]

10 quick reasons for legalizing marijauana

1. We waste a ton of money investigating, trying, and incarcerating people for only marijuana crimes. I'd rather spend the money and police resources on more important things, including dangerous drugs like Heroine.
2. We're sending money overseas to violet drug cartels who grow it, I'd rather pay an American farmer to grow it. Give all the hippy organic farmers another crop too.
3. Marijuana is a gateway drug because to get it you have to go to a criminal drug dealer, who more than likely is also selling something else. I'd rather you'd be able to get it at Rite Aid, and have it be a gateway to Mt. Dew and Fritos.
4. When marijuana is illegal it is unregulated and untested, there is no quality control making sure what you're getting is safe and hasn't been fucked with. I'd rather know that it is a business product someone stands behind.
5. In the grand scheme of things, it is a relatively benign drug. It doesn't impair judgement, it does not result in violent or aggressive behavior, you cannot OD on it, not accidentially anyways, and it is less chemically addictive than caffeine. A substance within it, cannibidiol, prevents brain damage, and it is high in antioxidants (when eaten, and not smoked, it is actually a health food).
6. In addition to spending money pursuing marijuana related offenses, we spend hundreds of millions flying around each year looking for naturally growing cannibis and it's cousins, to destroy it.
7. We could tax it. I'll take another vice consumption tax, use it to fund anti drug programs at schools, rehab, generic education, or whatever you like.
8. In a comparison with cigarettes, there is no comparison. A heavy smoker might do 2 packs a day or more. People who smoke weed often maybe smoke 1 joint a day, which is often shared with others. They can do this because it isn't chemically addictive, you don't get the shakes if you skip it.
9. I'm a gardener, and I think it'd be a hoot to hybridize my own strain. Of course then I'd have to worry about the neighbor kids raiding my yard.
10. Programs like DARE are full of shit and kids know they're full of shit. When DARE lies about marijuana, and kids know they're lying, they're likely to think they're lying about Heroine too. So... all the anti-marijuana bullshit out there probably contributes to people dismissing warnings about hard drugs.

Holy shit I agree with crb.

Also, don't forget Job, chapter 1 verse 5. As in Job 1.5 (that's a brand of cigarette papers, if anyone doesn't know)

And it was so, when the days of [their] feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings [according] to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

[SolitareConfinement]

I tend to drive more carefully when I'm high. Never got in a wreck or even almost gotten in a wreck. When I'm sober though? Road rage can easily take over.


statistics state that on a low amount of marijuana tend to be more cautious drivers than when sober

you are part of the majority my friend

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

When I say "impairing judgement" I literally mean it does not impair the functioning of the frontal lobe which holds the judgement centers of the brain, unlike alcohol.

You can say that people who are high act different than people who are not high, but that is not the same thing as having impaired judgement.

People who are high, for instance, generally know the difference between right and wrong, and don't dumb or dangerous things, no jumping off the roof into the kiddie pool. Some dumb people get high and do dumb things, true, but that is because of who they are, not what they're on. And some people use being high as an excuse to do dumb things, but they know its dumb. Like people who drink non-alcoholic mixed drinks then act tipsy.

Reaction time is slower and depth perception becomes fucked. That is a liability when operating machinery or doing something that requires refined and quick motor skills-- reacting slower because of shit depth perception while in a vehicle going 65 MPH will easily kill people.

That is NOT to say that everyone gets stupid on pot, and what SC said is correct-- people tend to drive more carefully, and I'll just say I think that's because marijuana gives a much more "aware" and lucid kind of high than alcohol ever could.. coincidentally why a lot of people seem to prefer pot. They stay in control, lucid, and don't wake up with a wicked hangover.

Still though, not everyone reacts the same way and across the board basic depth perception and reaction time sharply turns down the more you smoke, so I agree with precautions being taken. Just make it classified under legal controlled substances, don't let people drive while high (DUI), and there you go.

[Apathy]

Reaction time is slower and depth perception becomes fucked. That is a liability when operating machinery or doing something that requires refined and quick motor skills-- reacting slower because of shit depth perception while in a vehicle going 65 MPH will easily kill people.


Why use an example that even OTC drugs recommend against? Should we outlaw Nyquil and Benadryl too?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Why use an example that even OTC drugs recommend against? Should we outlaw Nyquil and Benadryl too?

Read what I fucking said-- I'm for the legalization of pot, I'm just not for saying "oh it doesn't effect you" because it obviously fucking does.

If you drive under the influence of Nyquil, Benadryl, or other OTCs and it's enough to make a cop pull you over, you can get fined/arrested for that too. Same with prescription medications-- sleeping pills, etc. You're NOT supposed to drive while under the influence of them.. most people can just fine, but the few that don't and get in trouble for it don't get off simply because it was Nyquil or Ambien or whatever else. If you take any sort of drugs that could impair your abilities behind the wheel of a car, you aren't supposed to drive, period.

[SolitareConfinement]

Read what I fucking said-- I'm for the legalization of pot, I'm just not for saying "oh it doesn't effect you" because it obviously fucking does.

If you drive under the influence of Nyquil, Benadryl, or other OTCs and it's enough to make a cop pull you over, you can get fined/arrested for that too. Same with prescription medications-- sleeping pills, etc. You're NOT supposed to drive while under the influence of them.. most people can just fine, but the few that don't and get in trouble for it don't get off simply because it was Nyquil or Ambien or whatever else. If you take any sort of drugs that could impair your abilities behind the wheel of a car, you aren't supposed to drive, period.


exactly why the crime went from "driving while intoxicated" into split up into 2 forms Driving under the influence which from my understanding covers "legal" drugs such as alcohol, nyquil , pills, etc

and the other half is OUID "operating under the influence of drugs" which covers controlled substances and other narcotics

so if they were to legalize marijuana it would already be taken care of on a driving stand point ;-) some how there is something the govt isn't telling us, i find it hard to believe they actually make a great deal of money by busting people and fining them. something that isn't being known to the public. what else is new? the government withholding truthful information from us

[Danical]

Marijuana also has no calories unlike alcohol. I could, say, get ripped for zero calories or get drunk as shit at around 1000.

For those concerned with their weight, I guess.

[crb]

Reaction time is slower and depth perception becomes fucked. That is a liability when operating machinery or doing something that requires refined and quick motor skills-- reacting slower because of shit depth perception while in a vehicle going 65 MPH will easily kill people.

That is NOT to say that everyone gets stupid on pot, and what SC said is correct-- people tend to drive more carefully, and I'll just say I think that's because marijuana gives a much more "aware" and lucid kind of high than alcohol ever could.. coincidentally why a lot of people seem to prefer pot. They stay in control, lucid, and don't wake up with a wicked hangover.

Still though, not everyone reacts the same way and across the board basic depth perception and reaction time sharply turns down the more you smoke, so I agree with precautions being taken. Just make it classified under legal controlled substances, don't let people drive while high (DUI), and there you go.
Reaction time is not judgement. I said judgement, not reaction time. Obviously, high people shouldn't drive bulldozers. That goes without saying.

Judgement isn't about reaction time, it is about knowing right from wrong, making good choices, etc.

Like, for instance, drunk people get into fights, because their judgement has been impaired. Drunk people sometimes commit sexual assaults, because their judgement has been impaired. Drunk people sometimes do stupid shit like jump off roofs into a kiddie pool, because their judgement has been impaired.

Pot may slow reaction times, it is a relaxant afterall, but it doesn't impair judgement like that, people do not become antisocial, violent, or engage in crazy risky behavior (unless they are just the type to do it anyways) when high. They become happy, relaxed, happy, relaxed, and sometimes a little paranoid, which results in more caution. Though... some people do become humorously paranoid.

[crb]

Perhaps it is best to describe the science of how things work.

THC in marijuana binds to special THC receptors in the brain causing a feeling of euphoria.

Alcohol in the bloodstream does not bind to receptions in the brain, it kills them, and the ones that don't die it inhibits their function. Without going into the science too much, it more or less suffocates your brain.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Reaction time is not judgement. I said judgement, not reaction time. Obviously, high people shouldn't drive bulldozers. That goes without saying.

Judgement isn't about reaction time, it is about knowing right from wrong, making good choices, etc.

Like, for instance, drunk people get into fights, because their judgement has been impaired. Drunk people sometimes commit sexual assaults, because their judgement has been impaired. Drunk people sometimes do stupid shit like jump off roofs into a kiddie pool, because their judgement has been impaired.

Pot may slow reaction times, it is a relaxant afterall, but it doesn't impair judgement like that, people do not become antisocial, violent, or engage in crazy risky behavior (unless they are just the type to do it anyways) when high. They become happy, relaxed, happy, relaxed, and sometimes a little paranoid, which results in more caution. Though... some people do become humorously paranoid.

Ah, I get your point then. Thank you for clarifying for me.

[Parkbandit]

Marijuana also has no calories unlike alcohol. I could, say, get ripped for zero calories or get drunk as shit at around 1000.

For those concerned with their weight, I guess.

That would be logical, if it weren't for the munchies effect.

[Methais]

That would be logical, if it weren't for the munchies effect.

Except that at least for me, after downing a 12 pack I'm usually ready to launch a massive assault on the nearest food source. Though I suppose it has a chance of coming back up later. But not often.

[SolitareConfinement]

Except that at least for me, after downing a 12 pack I'm usually ready to launch a massive assault on the nearest food source. Though I suppose it has a chance of coming back up later. But not often.

not just you...if it was just you would Taco Bell always be open for atleast 1 hour past last call?

[Furrowfoot]

Except that at least for me, after downing a 12 pack I'm usually ready to launch a massive assault on the nearest food source. Though I suppose it has a chance of coming back up later. But not often.

I can't attest to the munchie effect from pot - but with drinking it's always fried food for me - there's a chicken tender place in town that has 4 things on their menu and always has a backed up drive thru line at 3 in the morning, and damn is it good.

[crb]

Who hasn't ended up at some shitty place like Denny's after drinking?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Taco Bell is my holy grail when drunk.

[NocturnalRob]

Taco Bell is my holy grail when drunk.

i think i've mentioned this about 100 times before, but I don't care. Having a taco bell half a block from my apartment is total fucking late night win.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

i think i've mentioned this about 100 times before, but I don't care. Having a taco bell half a block from my apartment is total fucking late night win.

Closest one from my place is like 2 miles away, so I either have to find someone to drive, prepare before hand, or walk with my friends.

:(

[Gan]

Taco Bell or Taco Cabana was always my post-club eatery unless we crashed a Dennys with the girls from the strip club.

But that was in another life. :(

[TheEschaton]

I was always a Denny's guy.

There was also a diner that opened at 5:30 which we saw one too many times at opening.

[NocturnalRob]

I was always a Denny's guy.

There was also a diner that opened at 5:30 which we saw one too many times at opening.

hahaha...doing a little dance outside the door waiting for the manager to unlock. "come on, come on, come oooooon....i need my fucking pancakes, man!!"

[CrystalTears]

Denny's was my drunk haven of choice.

I haven't gotten high in years. My best friend back home would always have a stash and he lived a few blocks from me. I'd drive 15 miles an hour all the way home. Longest drive ever but I preferred that to being drunk any day.

One day we ate an entire loaf of toast. Good times.

[Methais]

Denny's was my drunk haven of choice.

I haven't gotten high in years. My best friend back home would always have a stash and he lived a few blocks from me. I'd drive 15 miles an hour all the way home. Longest drive ever but I preferred that to being drunk any day.

One day we ate an entire loaf of toast. Good times.

One time back in high school me and a friend got toasted and were driving down the highway to the store, when eventually my friend is like "Dude how fast are you going there's a huge line of traffic behind us." So I look in my rearview and there's a huge line of pissed off people behind me. I look at my speedometer and I'm going like 30-35 in a 55. I usually haul ass down this road too, but not on that day. I think I managed to kick it up to 40 or so after I saw the big line of traffic.

Good times.

[NocturnalRob]

I look at my speedometer and I'm going like 30-35 in a 55.

Never do though, of course, unless I'm chasing a cute chick in a Ferrari! haha! I guess I was going about 65...tops.

7! 7 miles an hour!

[Danical]

When I'm trashed, I like to go home and make a bounty of food.

It's generally an unreasonable amount of burgers on the grill. I love cooking while bombed.

or torta, I fucking love torta.

[Sean]

New Jersey - Home of the 24 hour diner. There could be a town that has 5 people who live there and they'd still have a 24 hour diner.

[ClydeR]

With the possibility of the nation's largest beer distributor becoming first lady, there is a call to lower the drinking age from 21 to 18.

The Amethyst Initiative (named after the ancient Greek superstition that amethysts could ward off drunkenness) has tricked 100 college presidents (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/08/18/college.drinking.age.ap/index.html) into calling for a lowering of the drinking age.

I bet Cindy McCain is rubbing her hands together greedily in anticipation of the additional money she will make. Never mind that lowering the drinking age will result in additional loss of life, and it won't be limited to the lives of young drinkers but will also include innocent people who are involved in automobile wrecks with drunk drivers.

[Methais]

When I first moved to Louisiana, you only had to be 18 to legally buy beer....but you still had to be 21 to drink it :wtf:

[Sean]

Not really a counter argument but a counter viewpoint..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35079-2004Dec29.html

[Sean of the Thread]

Guess we should raise the age of military enlistment to 21 then to save lives.

Oh and the hippie lettuce certainly impairs your judgment. In my case 10x worse then alcohol. I'm still not opposed to the legalization and proper regulation of it really. I dunno where I stand on it honestly. I'd have to put some serious thought into it to figure that out.


I agree with a lot of what CRB stated.

And who gives a shit if Cindy is a successful business woman. Welcome to America.

<---not pot smoker or any drug user.

[radamanthys]

I think caffeine is bad for you. I think pot, alcohol, high fructose corn syrup, children's toys, liquid drano enemas, and crack are all bad for you.

Shit if everything doesn't cause cancer.

Doesn't mean it's time to bring out the banhammer. I say that no drugs should be banned. Let people do what the hell they want. The effects are pretty well known. Just drop a little note inside your new box of "Chris Farley brand speedballs" stating the possible side effects and dangers associated with the product.

Plus, we all know what prohibition does. It creates a big black market. Organized crime. Alcohol gave the Mafia money. Now drugs are giving gangs their money. Basically, the war on drugs is killing more people than the actual drugs ever could.

[Conlin]

Let's see. At 18 you can help pick a president, kill and die in a war, get married, hold a full time job, enter into legal contracts, and under the law you are an ADULT.

Yet you can't drink a beer?! If there was ever a screwed up law then this is it. The drinking age should be 18.

As far as pot goes. Roll it up, shove it in a package, and throw a tax stamp on it.

And for reference, I'm 37, a father, and an Army vet.

[RichardCranium]

How the hell will lowering the drinking age result in the loss of more life? Because no one underage would ever dream of drinking, right?

[Methais]

How the hell will lowering the drinking age result in the loss of more life?

It won't. People are just fucking idiots.

- Got hammered for the first time at 13.

- Got my first (and only) DWI on my 21st birthday. Got pulled over for having a headlight out and wasn't even loaded. I was way more trashed the night before. If I got pulled over that night, I woulda just said fuck it and got out of my car and climbed into the back of the cop's car and said let's go, no point in wasting our time.

- Got pulled over for speeding when I was 17 or 18, was way more trashed than when I got my DWI, was convinced I was going to jail for fucking up walking the straight line, finally got it right after like 4 tries, cop let me go.

- Never got pulled over while drunk for driving drunk. Has always been for other reasons (see above).

- Never came even remotely close to causing harm to myself or anyone else while driving, no matter how trashed I was.

[Daniel]

Awesome.

I was filling sandbags in the middle of bumfuck lousiana on my 21st bday. So, don't feel too bad.

[RichardCranium]

Awesome.

I was filling sandbags in the middle of bumfuck lousiana on my 21st bday. So, don't feel too bad.

That's actually my hometown. Let me know if you're ever coming back, we'll kick back a few and I'll give you a tour.

[Audriana]

There wouldn't be a whole lot of people buying pot. There would be a surge on aeroponics supplies and seeds would be sold.

If it was legal, I'd have one of those little herb growers on my kitchen counter with little buds on it, and only smoke my own stuff and only once in a great while.

Who wouldn't grow it? The shit is a weed, it grows wheather you want it to or not.

Although, I have to admit, If I was having a party, I'd probably go get some different types, along with the booze and 8 balls.

[Audriana]

It won't. People are just fucking idiots.

- Got hammered for the first time at 13.

- Got my first (and only) DWI on my 21st birthday. Got pulled over for having a headlight out and wasn't even loaded. I was way more trashed the night before. If I got pulled over that night, I woulda just said fuck it and got out of my car and climbed into the back of the cop's car and said let's go, no point in wasting our time.

- Got pulled over for speeding when I was 17 or 18, was way more trashed than when I got my DWI, was convinced I was going to jail for fucking up walking the straight line, finally got it right after like 4 tries, cop let me go.

- Never got pulled over while drunk for driving drunk. Has always been for other reasons (see above).

- Never came even remotely close to causing harm to myself or anyone else while driving, no matter how trashed I was.

Only takes once.
(How scary did Methais just get?)

[ClydeR]

How the hell will lowering the drinking age result in the loss of more life? Because no one underage would ever dream of drinking, right?

Some underage people will drink regardless of the drinking age, but others will wait until they are old enough for it to be legal. The greater the penalty for underage drinking, the fewer people who will do it.

Underage people tend not to pass out when they get really drunk (something about their brain chemistry (http://www.madd.org/Parents/Parents/Research/View-Research.aspx?research=15)), when an adult would. As a consequence, they will engage in risky activities that an adult with the same alcohol level would not be able to engage in. Plus there's the increased chance of spontaneous combustion.

[Mabus]

Way back....

Ohio raised its legal drinking age (for beer) to 19. They decided that at 18 some high school students would be purchasing beer for other students, as if 19 years old in high school is unknown. Many was the argument that underage drinking would happen anyway, and that raising the age would do little to lower the incidence of the perceived problem.

Then the federal government, in association with MADD and other lobbyist/special interest groups, decided that every state should make their legal drinking age 21.

Ohio held a referendum on whether we would be keeping the age at 19, or following the new federal law and making it 21. It was decided by the voters to keep it at 19.

Ohio entered into a joint lawsuit with (I believe, if memory serves me) 7 other states to fight the new law. The federal courts said that the federal government could withhold highway funds from the states that did not change the age.

Several people, myself included, offered and supported plans to set up toll booths on all of Ohio's major highways for any out of state traffic. Let I-77, I-80, I-76, I-70 and all US Routes, and port taxes, pay us instead, we offered.

Ohio moved, disregarding the vote and will of its citizens, to move the legal drinking age to 21 to keep the federal highway funds.

Now we find ourselves discussing lowering the age. I doubt it will happen, and if it does it will have to come from law changes at the federal level.

[Methais]

If nothing else, being in the military should automatically make you exempt from the 21+ law.

I wonder how many 18-20 year old military people actually get arrested or ticketed for underage drinking though. The cop would have to be a real dick to do that. Like Emeradan level douchebaggery.

[Audriana]

It does.

[Sean of the Thread]

I know for a fact that courtesy is extended to those under 21 with military ID's when it comes to drinking and the police.


That's all I have to say about that.

[Sean]

Way back....

Ohio raised its legal drinking age (for beer) to 19. They decided that at 18 some high school students would be purchasing beer for other students, as if 19 years old in high school is unknown. Many was the argument that underage drinking would happen anyway, and that raising the age would do little to lower the incidence of the perceived problem.

Then the federal government, in association with MADD and other lobbyist/special interest groups, decided that every state should make their legal drinking age 21.

Ohio held a referendum on whether we would be keeping the age at 19, or following the new federal law and making it 21. It was decided by the voters to keep it at 19.

Ohio entered into a joint lawsuit with (I believe, if memory serves me) 7 other states to fight the new law. The federal courts said that the federal government could withhold highway funds from the states that did not change the age.

Several people, myself included, offered and supported plans to set up toll booths on all of Ohio's major highways for any out of state traffic. Let I-77, I-80, I-76, I-70 and all US Routes, and port taxes, pay us instead, we offered.

Ohio moved, disregarding the vote and will of its citizens, to move the legal drinking age to 21 to keep the federal highway funds.

Now we find ourselves discussing lowering the age. I doubt it will happen, and if it does it will have to come from law changes at the federal level.

And then they added the toll booths (at least on RT 80 I believe) anyway.

[Gelston]

If nothing else, being in the military should automatically make you exempt from the 21+ law.

I wonder how many 18-20 year old military people actually get arrested or ticketed for underage drinking though. The cop would have to be a real dick to do that. Like Emeradan level douchebaggery.

People in the service more often get in trouble by the Military itself for underage drinking, and thats generally because the act stupid on base or get a DUI at the gate(Which when under 21, you are considered a DUI with a much lower BAC) or something.

[Audriana]

Not sure about the specifics, but my best friend joined the Army at 18 and he said that at 18 you can drink on base? not sure...

I guess the military doesn't need federal highway funds.

[Gelston]

No, you can't legally drink under the age of 21 on US soil. In other countries, if the age is less, then yes.

[Conlin]

No, you can't legally drink under the age of 21 on US soil. In other countries, if the age is less, then yes.

This has changed. While on base in other countries it is still 21. Walk into a club on base and there will be a sign behind the bar stating you must be 21 to drink.

Walk off base and go to a civilian bar and you can drink.

This is the way it was while I was in South Korea from May '92 to November '95..

[Gelston]

No, it recently changed to reflect what I've said. In the USMC, you are allowed to drink on base at the host countries drinking age and during command sponsered events anywhere in the world. So, in the US at the age of 18, if you went to a Marine Corps Ball, you could legally drink uner the UCMJ.

This went into effect in 2006 or 2007.

[Conlin]

Thanks for the heads up and I'm really glad they changed this.

[Daniel]

I remember it going in the opposite direction. In the army you could always drink in country if you were the legal age of consent and it was changed DoD wise.

It's not like it fucking matters. The only people who get written up are those who take it too far and fuck up, or the shitbirds who are getting weeded out anyway.

[Sean of the Thread]

I think I'm half way certain and it's too early to hit the statutes but I think parents can give their underage kids alcohol to drink in Wisconsin?


*Hmmm I don't really get it.. again it's early.

# Can children be in a bar with their parents?

Yes. Persons under age 21 may be on licensed premises, and can be sold and allowed to drink alcohol beverages, if they are with their parents, guardians, or spouses, as long as those persons are of legal age; but this is at the discretion of the licensee.


Ah.. I think I get it now... as long as those persons MEANING their parents, guardians, or spouses are of legal age. I think.

The above was from the Wisconsin Dept of Revenue site.