Since the skill testing phase is over....

[AnticorRifling]

Now that your training plan is pretty much set (reallocation excluded) what does your wizard's stats/skills look like?

I'm interested to see the different versions out there. I know we will see the pure bolter, the semi shield/ohe user, and the warmage but I'd still like to see the subtle differences.

[AnticorRifling]

Here is Anticor:

Name: Anticor Rifling Race: Giant Profession: Wizard (shown as: War Mage)
Gender: Male Age: 44 Expr: 2602900 Level: 50
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 94 (37) ... 94 (37)
Constitution (CON): 87 (28) ... 87 (28)
Dexterity (DEX): 83 (11) ... 83 (11)
Agility (AGI): 79 (9) ... 79 (9)
Discipline (DIS): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Logic (LOG): 81 (10) ... 81 (10)
Intuition (INT): 70 (10) ... 70 (10)
Wisdom (WIS): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Influence (INF): 73 (16) ... 73 (16)
Mana: 184 Silver: 0

Anticor (at level 50), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 70 15
Combat Maneuvers...................| 86 19
Polearm Weapons....................| 151 51
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 151 51
Magic Item Use.....................| 151 51
Spell Aiming.......................| 202 102
Harness Power......................| 175 75
Elemental Mana Control.............| 58 12
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 111 27
Survival...........................| 151 51
Perception.........................| 151 51
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 151 51

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 62

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 20

You pretty much see the route I'm taking. I get hit every now and then but it's still a great time.

[Snapp]

(at level 44), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 126 33
Arcane Symbols.....................| 174 74
Magic Item Use.....................| 174 74
Spell Aiming.......................| 192 92
Harness Power......................| 174 74
Elemental Mana Control.............| 141 41
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 111 27
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 111 27
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 114 28
Perception.........................| 145 45
Climbing...........................| 74 16
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 74 16

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 28

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 36

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 30

[AnticorRifling]

Why so much PT? Those magical skills have to give you good use of a runestaff and make for decent enchanting I'm betting.

[Edited on 1-8-2004 by AnticorRifling]

[Iced]

(at level 73), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 175 75
Magic Item Use.....................| 175 75
Spell Aiming.......................| 250 150
Harness Power......................| 175 75
Elemental Mana Control.............| 175 75
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 102 24
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 151 51
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 102 24

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 73

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 66

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 73



Decided to go the runestave route after all, concentrating on getting my wiz circle (913 primarily) and mjE circle (513) up, while getting as much mnE (425) as possible, giving me a nice balance between defense, bolt AS and 519/415/915 casting.

[Sean]

i went for a balance of fun and i guess a little skill. i dont play him much anyway

(at level 49), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 70 15
Shield Use.........................| 150 50
Edged Weapons......................| 150 50
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 150 50
Spell Aiming.......................| 200 100
Harness Power......................| 175 75
Elemental Mana Control.............| 105 25
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 105 25
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 105 25
Perception.........................| 150 50
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 102 24
First Aid..........................| 25 5
Pickpocketing......................| 150 50

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 50

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 25

[Kitsun]

Race: Elf Profession: Wizard (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 100 Expr: 4593746 Level: 71
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 76 (13) ... 76 (13)
Constitution (CON): 58 (4) ... 58 (4)
Dexterity (DEX): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Agility (AGI): 72 (26) ... 72 (26)
Discipline (DIS): 95 (7) ... 95 (7)
Aura (AUR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 92 (21) ... 92 (21)
Influence (INF): 92 (31) ... 92 (31)
Mana: 230 Silver: 55
>skill
(at level 71), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 30 6
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 173 73
Magic Item Use.....................| 173 73
Spell Aiming.......................| 246 146
Harness Power......................| 206 106
Elemental Mana Control.............| 173 73
Spirit Mana Control................| 66 14
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 173 73
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 111 27
Swimming...........................| 111 27

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 47

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 70

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 71

Elven Runestaff user. I swear by Earth Lore, the encumberance bonus to Strength rocks so hard. I can finally carry a good portion of my RP fluff without worrying about maneuver attacks.

Nothing really special about my training plan. I just stopped with Minor Elemental and now am trying to move Major Elemental to above 2/3 trained.

Iced's training plan probably surprised me the most. I'd like to know if you have any issues hunting with only 1x HP. Its a more extreme version of mine that cut down HP and the 1x lore to be nearly fully singled in all three spell lists.

How do those of you with 1/2 or 1/3 training in Lores feel with that? I didn't think it'd be worth it just because they all add so very little to a bolt's DF. I definately didn't feel comfortable with the point expendature of going over 1x in it. Every 2.6 overtrained Lore is 1 spell. The 0.00125DF versus points in CS. I dunno.

[Sean]

wouldnt know ive yet to hunt my wizard since gs4 went live.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Why so much PT? Those magical skills have to give you good use of a runestaff and make for decent enchanting I'm betting.

[Edited on 1-8-2004 by AnticorRifling]

Every char I own, or helped reallocate is 1x'ed in PT for life.

Reason being Encumberance lowers your DS, PT lets you carry more weight.

-Adredrin

[AnticorRifling]

Ahh never an aspect I had to worry about since I'm a giantman with self cast strength.

[fallenSaint]

Not that any of this will be a surprise being as I used a few topics back to base this training but this is what became of it:

Name: Seb Race: Halfling Profession: Wizard (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 103 Expr: 3634787 Level: 61
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 93 (6) ... 93 (6)
Constitution (CON): 60 (15) ... 60 (15)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (40) ... 100 (40)
Agility (AGI): 88 (29) ... 88 (29)
Discipline (DIS): 67 (3) ... 67 (3)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Logic (LOG): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Intuition (INT): 92 (31) ... 92 (31)
Wisdom (WIS): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Influence (INF): 61 (0) ... 61 (0)
Mana: 218

at level 61), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 161 61
Magic Item Use.....................| 194 94
Spell Aiming.......................| 224 124
Harness Power......................| 186 86
Elemental Mana Control.............| 170 70
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 158 58
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 111 27
Perception.........................| 105 25
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 45

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 44

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 56

I do agree with the kitty Kitsun on earth elemental I love it to death!


Yeh Im a three foot Halfling with a six foot runestave! Don't stand in my way!

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Why so much PT? Those magical skills have to give you good use of a runestaff and make for decent enchanting I'm betting.

[Edited on 1-8-2004 by AnticorRifling]

Every char I own, or helped reallocate is 1x'ed in PT for life.

Reason being Encumberance lowers your DS, PT lets you carry more weight.

-Adredrin

I actually didn't know training in PT enabled you to carry more of a load.

I thought it was based upon the constitution stat, strength stat, earth lore, strength type spells and training in armor vs armor you are wearing.

[Iced]

Absolutely no problems so far. I ward well with 410 CS with 519 and 915, then end up bolting with 906 to finish it off. With full mjE and sharing, I can leech a TON. Combine that with wracking and I'm set. Nothing ends up hitting me in guarded/defensive, and the hits I get in offensive are generally survivable. It just takes getting used to the new spells, combining a stun with a bolt to save mana, etc. 51 ranks of fire lore seems fine with me, I may continue to 75, but honestly not sure yet. My immo is just dandy (Ask Chadj).

[Marl]

Tell me what you think my wizard will be like in the future....

Name: Marluxian Daemonaxious Race: Elf Profession: Wizard (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 36 Expr: 449522 Level: 19
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 65 (7) ... 65 (7)
Constitution (CON): 58 (4) ... 58 (4)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 89 (34) ... 89 (34)
Discipline (DIS): 91 (5) ... 91 (5)
Aura (AUR): 100 (30) ... 105 (32)
Logic (LOG): 70 (10) ... 75 (12)
Intuition (INT): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Wisdom (WIS): 46 (-2) ... 46 (-2)
Influence (INF): 46 (8) ... 46 (8)
Mana: 79 Silver: 3419
>skill
Marluxian (at level 19), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 93 21
Arcane Symbols.....................| 142 42
Magic Item Use.....................| 142 42
Spell Aiming.......................| 142 42
Harness Power......................| 142 42
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Perception.........................| 74 16
Climbing...........................| 35 7
Swimming...........................| 35 7

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 19

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 8

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 19
all with only selfcast spells and no signs

Bolt AS-195
DS in def-294
CS-121

edited to say i also parry possibly 85% of the time in def.

[Edited on 1-12-2004 by Marluxian]

[Kitsun]

You look like your about 11.5x magical ranks per level. While it looks good on paper, I really don't believe training for redux is the same as training for runestaves. Arcane symbol truly has no use being doubled in. For an extra two mental per level, you can be full 1x in a lore and have some benefit to your spells. Or you can just save the points for more spells, albiet not very many.

Overtraining in worthless magical abilities for the extra 5% is probably more damaging skillwise than spreading the points out to have more variance.

Other than that you look fine, if it works for you, go with it.

In GSIV, it seems that it really is different strokes for different folks.

[Marl]

I was thinking about dropping Arcan symbols when i hit lvl 20 and then saving the points on more spells or mana control, from all i have heard and what i could tell while we could still migrate skills lores didnt really have that much effect for me. I just hope i am not gonna be a weakling whe ni get around 60 or 70 trains

[Kitsun]

Lores really need to be bundled in large batches to have much of an effect on anything, I'm afraid. At 20ish ranks, you don't feel the punch. However at that level you also don't really need it. Actually the way they designed it, your never supposed to NEED the lores...

I would stay singled in most of the magical skills like AS, MIU, EMC. Unless of course you have some special intentions for them. Like enchanting, mastering leech or something off the norm.

Just remember your spell aiming, spells and stance dancing and you should be able to survive.

[J-Tech]

Heres Surgla's at 33:

Name: Surgla Kezim Race: Human Profession: Wizard (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 30 Expr: 1235597 Level: 33
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Constitution (CON): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Dexterity (DEX): 78 (14) ... 78 (14)
Agility (AGI): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Discipline (DIS): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Aura (AUR): 76 (13) ... 76 (13)
Logic (LOG): 78 (19) ... 78 (19)
Intuition (INT): 75 (17) ... 75 (17)
Wisdom (WIS): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Influence (INF): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Mana: 135 Silver: 0


> Surgla (at level 33), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 58 12
Arcane Symbols.....................| 154 54
Magic Item Use.....................| 154 54
Spell Aiming.......................| 170 70
Harness Power......................| 154 54
Elemental Mana Control.............| 128 34
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 130 35
Perception.........................| 35 7
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 24

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 30
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

-John

[Edited on 1-12-2004 by J-Tech]

[AnticorRifling]

John he looks like a solid pure. How goes it for hunting and enchanting.

[J-Tech]

Well my old roommate that i lived with used to do all the enchanting, i think he can do up to 4x with no problems, not sure about 5x, he's a good hunter, i hunt pookas with him, i ndefensive my DS is like mid 300's like 326ish i think, when im in offensive its still like mid 200's so i dont really get hit, i dodge alot of attacks or parry with my runestaff, my bolt is 272, but ima start doing more minor to boost that, my leach cs is 180 and i leach no problem, i can fry solo hunting fine and still go back to rest with a full head of mana if i want, im pretty satisfied with him.

-John

[AnticorRifling]

Sounds good, as long as you're hunting without problems and your ability to gain mana is nice. I can't leech to save my life but I don't run out of mana since all I tend to use is haste and tremors. I still use cone from time to time after a tremor but my bolt AS isn't great because I never have 513 running.

[fallenSaint]

Eh in responce to the Lores, when I first decided to hop into GS4 and reallo I was all about the lores thinking they were great ... Since Ive come to the conclusion they are toys for playing with really. Spite Earth Lore being great for 509 and fighting off encumberance and heavy ranks of Air Lore making those like Anticor into Haste Demons I just cant see a overall good in them. But yea earth is great if your a halfling and air is great if you swing them pointed things but the rest is just for show. I dont feel my hurl boulder is all that mighty after 60 some odd ranks of earth lore nor do I feel my boil earth is any better with earth and fire lore. I completely dumped out on Air since I didnt see good in it unless you praise it like a religion. All in all Im rather disappointed with the Lores ;( Think I just repeated myself several times but yea Im tired and that should get the point Ive come to on the lore.

[Askip]

Since 9x magic ranks for staves seems to be working for me, this is what I decided on:

Askip (at level 76), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 20 4
Physical Fitness...................| 90 20
Arcane Symbols.....................| 176 76
Magic Item Use.....................| 252 152
Spell Aiming.......................| 256 156
Harness Power......................| 176 76
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Survival...........................| 178 78
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 178 78

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 66

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 76

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 76
Training Points: 21 Phy 0 Mnt (2210 Phy converted to Mnt)

[J-Tech]

I like your training Askip, hows it working out for you?

-John

[Askip]

Piece of cake self-spelled in the Tower right now, 415 then 904 as needed. The only time I got nailed to the wall (everyone should experience that at least once) I lived through it.

I just finished a 5x-6x Enchant with no problems, I will not know about 7x again for a while, like most enchanters I'm doing a 4-5x staff now.

I gave up lores and popping my own boxes (I used to have 1x perception) for 1x FA and survival, and I can reasonably skin storm griffins.

:D

[Tophal]

I've had very little time in game the past 6-months or so. Having kids will do that to you. I would have liked to find the time to get into the change over. As it is, I have just been reading the boards to get an idea of what a lot of you are doing. I like the way you trained, Askip, and I tried to mirror that as best I could, prior to your new post above. I too like to skin where I can and be able to play with the boxes. Here's what I went for.

Name: Tophal Trecston Race: Half-Elf Profession: Wizard (shown as: Wizard)
Gender: Male Age: 100 Level: 58
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 80 (15) ... 80 (15)
Constitution (CON): 55 (2) ... 55 (2)
Dexterity (DEX): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Agility (AGI): 85 (27) ... 85 (27)
Discipline (DIS): 94 (17) ... 94 (17)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Intuition (INT): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Influence (INF): 78 (19) ... 78 (19)

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 10 2
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 160 60
Magic Item Use.....................| 160 60
Spell Aiming.......................| 220 120
Harness Power......................| 190 90
Elemental Mana Control.............| 120 30
Survival...........................| 102 24
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 114 28

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 49
Minor Elemental....................| 58
Wizard.............................| 58


Runestaff is ok. Still trying to get used to it in my limited playing time. I don't care about enchanting..much. I would like to have the option to do it somewhere down the line. I really like to hunt and I don't want to waste the skins or boxes. From what people have said, the lores initially aren't providing too much, so I stayed away from them in order to get some extra spells.

Please let me know if anyone has any opinions or ideas for me.

Thanks!

[Askip]

Hiya Tophal,

I was not happy with .5x in FA & SUR as a skinner, nor with .5x in PERcept using 416. If it works for you, great - keep us updated thanks.

[Stunseed]

(at level 32), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Shield Use.........................| 74 16
Edged Weapons......................| 74 16
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 10 2
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 166 66
Magic Item Use.....................| 166 66
Spell Aiming.......................| 168 68
Harness Power......................| 144 44
Elemental Mana Control.............| 126 33
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 70 15
Perception.........................| 70 15
Climbing...........................| 70 15

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 26

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 30

5x enchant is a piece of cake. 280 Bolt AS, 180 leech. I do more than fine.

[Drew2]

HAHA! I like the sig, Stun.

[Stunseed]

Jolena stole all the good ones I wanted.