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Tisket
08-02-2008, 03:37 AM
http://health.yahoo.com/news/ap/sci_exercise_pill.html


Drug gives couch potato mice benefits of a workout
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer - Thu Jul 31, 5:48 PM PDT

NEW YORK - Here's a couch potato's dream: What if a drug could help you gain some of the benefits of exercise without working up a sweat? Scientists reported Thursday that there is such a drug — if you happen to be a mouse.

Sedentary mice that took the drug for four weeks burned more calories and had less fat than untreated mice. And when tested on a treadmill, they could run about 44 percent farther and 23 percent longer than untreated mice.

Just how well those results might translate to people is an open question. But someday, researchers say, such a drug might help treat obesity, diabetes and people with medical conditions that keep them from exercising.

"We have exercise in a pill," said Ron Evans, an author of the study. "With no exercise, you can take a drug and chemically mimic it."

Evans, of the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif., and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute reports the work with colleagues in a paper published online Thursday by the journal Cell.

They also report that in mice that did exercise training, a second drug made their workout much more effective at boosting endurance. After a month of taking that drug and exercising, mice could run 68 percent longer and 70 percent farther than other mice that exercised but didn't get the drug.

Both drugs have been studied by researchers for other uses. The no-exercise drug is in advanced human testing to see if it can prevent a complication of heart bypass surgery.

Evans noted the drugs might prove irresistible for professional athletes who seek an illegal edge. He said his team has developed detection tests for use by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Evans said he has no financial interest in either drug or the test.

Resveratrol, a substance being studied for anti-aging effects, has also been reported to enable mice to run farther before exhaustion without exercise training. But the drugs in the new study appear to act more specifically on a process in muscles that boosts endurance, the researchers said.

Still, it takes more than just altered muscles to turn a sedentary mouse into a distance runner, Evans said, and "honestly, I just don't know how that happens. Whether it would happen in a person, I don't know. I think it's a small miracle it happened at all."

In fact, Evans said that when the experiment with sedentary mice was suggested by an outside scientist who was reviewing the lab's research, "I didn't think it was going to work."

The no-exercise drug is called AICAR. Previous experiments suggest that it might protect against gaining weight on a high-fat diet, which might make it useful for treating obesity, Evans said. But it would have to be taken for a long time, he said, so its safety in people would have to be assured.

Experts who study muscle agreed that a drug like AICAR may prove useful someday in treating obesity and diabetes. Many drug companies are working on such drugs in diabetes because in animals, AICAR stimulates muscles to remove sugar from the blood, noted Laurie Goodyear of the Joslin Diabetes Center in Boston.

People who can't exercise because of a medical condition like joint pain or heart failure might also benefit from such a drug, experts said.

But Eric Hoffman of the Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., noted that AICAR mimics only aerobic exercise, not the strength training that might be more useful to bedridden people or the elderly, for example. He also cautioned that it's not clear whether the new mouse results can be reproduced in people.

Goodyear said exercise has such widespread benefits in the body that she doubts any one pill will ever be able to supply all of them. "For the majority of people," she said, "it would be better to do exercise than to take a pill."


Would you chuck exercise for a pill if you could safely do so? I wonder how long it will take for this to make it through testing and to market. Because you know it will.

Here's the original scientific article for those who like to wade through incomprehensible mumbo jumbo: http://www.cell.com/content/article/fulltext?uid=PIIS0092867408008386

thefarmer
08-02-2008, 03:48 AM
If it doesn't pass the FDA, ten bucks says he'll go overseas and make it, or slap a designer label on it and sell it in gas stations like yellow jackets and other 'energy pills'.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-02-2008, 04:06 AM
I wouldn't but then I exercise for psychological reasons over merely keeping myself from being a fat-ass. A pill can mimic the physical effects perhaps, but psychologically it's the runners high and, as cliche as it sounds, "the burn" from a great workout that makes exercising something I enjoy doing.

AnticorRifling
08-04-2008, 09:27 AM
Taking a pill doesn't get me away from the wife and kids and satisfy the primative urge to toss around heavy iron simply because it's there.

Skeeter
08-04-2008, 10:24 AM
All this time I've been using my legs like a sucker!

Fallen
08-04-2008, 12:08 PM
I would take that crap in a second. If you want to continue to work out, do so. You will just perform better (if everything is as the early research indicates)

NocturnalRob
08-04-2008, 12:11 PM
Taking a pill doesn't get me away from the wife and kids and satisfy the primative urge to toss around heavy iron simply because it's there.

closer to chest, farther from chest, closer to chest, farther from chest.

i am all that is man.

AnticorRifling
08-04-2008, 12:39 PM
This is petty but it's still a beef of mine. This reminds me of when the Marine Corps switched to the no iron cammies and no polish boots. Now you can't, at a glance, tell a shit bird from a non shit bird. Same thing with this pill. Now the lazy fucks don't look, as much, like lazy fucks. I'm a big fan of reap what you sow I guess. Lazy fuckers get what they get and people that try to stay in shape get theirs.

Miss Ismurii
08-04-2008, 12:53 PM
Eww! Seriously imagine what it could do to you overtime. I don't think anything good, nothing comes good out of something like this. It's so hideously unnatural.

AnticorRifling
08-04-2008, 01:09 PM
Eww! Seriously imagine what it could do to you overtime. I don't think anything good, nothing comes good out of something like this. It's so hideously unnatural.


Say that again, only this time pretend you don't have a learning disability.

Miss Ismurii
08-04-2008, 01:12 PM
wtf

The Ponzzz
08-04-2008, 01:21 PM
This sort of thing has been in the works for awhile. A few years back they were injected rats with a hormone to actually build muscle. What this will be good for are people stuck on bed rest or in a hospital due to whatever reasons. It will allow muscle to continue and grow and lessen the time it takes for therapy to be over.

This sort of stuff won't replace exercising, because it lacks the way to tone our bodies. But for a jump start to your body or help people who are disable, this is a great step in the right direction.

Jayvn
08-04-2008, 01:57 PM
imagine the supervillains we can make if we have them O/D on this stuff...

Methais
08-04-2008, 03:09 PM
This article reminds me of THE DORMITRON from GTA 3.

www.sleepofflard.com

Sylvan Dreams
08-04-2008, 03:24 PM
I would live on ice cream, cake, cookies and brownies with this pill.

AestheticDeath
08-04-2008, 03:58 PM
My grandmother lives on that without the pill...

Actually its just ice cream and Coca-Cola.

Stanley Burrell
08-04-2008, 04:16 PM
<<This “super-endurance phenotype” is linked to a transcriptional boost provided by exercise-activated AMPK resulting in a novel endurance gene signature.>>

Yeah. That's called a steroid. This isn't exactly passive transport. Anything that targets receptor-mediated transnuclear cell signals and has to go through not only an unbelievably selective amplification cascade to bind with a very specific frickin' TATA-esque DNA-binding site is going to cause hardcore signal transduction in other cytokines, chemokines and auto, para and endocrine messages. Hopefully, whatever is being taxed to compensate for this change in cell signaling doesn't cause any overtly dangerous free radicals.

If this ends up on gas station shelves, so should testosterone.

AnticorRifling
08-04-2008, 04:18 PM
If this ends up on gas station shelves, so should testosterone.

That would be so awesome.

sst
08-04-2008, 04:24 PM
This is petty but it's still a beef of mine. This reminds me of when the Marine Corps switched to the no iron cammies and no polish boots. Now you can't, at a glance, tell a shit bird from a non shit bird. Same thing with this pill. Now the lazy fucks don't look, as much, like lazy fucks. I'm a big fan of reap what you sow I guess. Lazy fuckers get what they get and people that try to stay in shape get theirs.

I knew quite a few shit birds who were all polished up...

We used the too much shit in you're cargo pockets as a sign after the uniform changeover

sst
08-04-2008, 04:24 PM
Eww! Seriously imagine what it could do to you overtime. I don't think anything good, nothing comes good out of something like this. It's so hideously unnatural.

kinda like cutting yourself huh...

Stanley Burrell
08-04-2008, 05:01 PM
That would be so awesome.

lol.

We've got a pretty decent idea of almost any and all of testosterone's negative side effects. There is no doubt in my mind that $$$ can quiet the bureaucrats at both the FDA and the gas stations: And that we will see some MOTHUFUCKIN' WONKY SHIT, yo, end up on sale at Exxon that makes porkchopsammiches jerky and Newports seem healthy by comparison. It has to happen.

Methais
08-04-2008, 06:21 PM
Judging by the facial hair on some of the "women" that work at the Shell station down the road, I'd say they're already stocking it.

Miss Ismurii
08-04-2008, 06:23 PM
I hate you sst.

Ignot
08-04-2008, 08:58 PM
2307

Hang in there fat people, the cure is coming....

sst
08-04-2008, 10:28 PM
I hate you sst.

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