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Clove
08-01-2008, 07:08 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-08-01-anthraxscientist-death_N.htm?csp=34

U.S. anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in

WASHINGTON (AP) — A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

The scientist, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who worked for the past 18 years at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Maryland, had been told about the impending prosecution, the Los Angeles Times reported for Friday editions. The laboratory has been at the center of the FBI's investigation of the anthrax attacks, which killed five people.

Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital in Maryland. The Times, quoting an unidentified colleague, said the scientist had taken a massive dose of a prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine.

Tom Ivins, a brother of the scientist, told The Associated Press that another of his brothers, Charles, told him Bruce had committed suicide.

A woman who answered the phone at Charles Ivins' home in Etowah, North Carolina, refused to wake him and declined to comment on his death. "This is a grieving time," she said.

A woman who answered the phone at Bruce Ivins' home in Frederick declined to comment.

Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr and FBI Assistant Director John Miller declined to comment on the report.

Henry S. Heine, a scientist who had worked with Ivins on inhalation anthrax research at Fort Detrick, said he and others on their team have testified before a federal grand jury in Washington that has been investigating the anthrax mailings for more than a year.

Heine declined to comment on Ivins' death.

Ivins was the co-author of numerous anthrax studies, including one on a treatment for inhalation anthrax published in the July 7 issue of the journal Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.

Just last month, the government exonerated another scientist at the Fort Detrick lab, Steven Hatfill, who had been identified by the FBI as a "person of interest" in the anthrax attacks. The government paid Hatfill $5.82 million to settle a lawsuit he filed against the Justice Department in which he claimed the department violated his privacy rights by speaking with reporters about the case.

The Times said federal investigators moved away from Hatfill and concluded Ivins was the culprit after FBI Director Robert Mueller changed leadership of the investigation in 2006. The new investigators instructed agents to re-examine leads and reconsider potential suspects. In the meantime, investigators made progress in analyzing anthrax powder recovered from letters addressed to two U.S. senators, according to the report.

Besides the five deaths, 17 people were sickened by anthrax that was mailed to lawmakers on Capitol Hill and members of the news media in New York and Florida just weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The victims included postal workers and others who came into contact with the anthrax.

In the six months following the anthrax mailings, Ivins conducted unauthorized testing for anthrax spores outside containment areas at USAMRIID — the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick — and found some, according to an internal report by the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, which oversees the lab.

In December 2001, after conducting tests triggered by a technician's fears that she had been exposed, Ivins found evidence of anthrax and decontaminated the woman's desk, computer, keypad and monitor, but didn't notify his superiors, according to the report.

The report says Ivins performed more unauthorized sampling on April 15, 2002, and found anthrax spores in his office, in a passbox used for moving materials in and out of labs, and in a room where male workers changed from civilian clothing into laboratory garb.

Ivins told Army investigators he conducted unauthorized tests because he was worried that the powdered anthrax in letters that had been sent to USAMRIID for analysis might not have been adequately contained.

In January 2002, the FBI doubled the reward for helping solve the case to $2.5 million, and by June officials said the agency was scrutinizing 20 to 30 scientists who might have had the knowledge and opportunity to send the anthrax letters.

After the government's settlement with Hatfill was announced in late June, Ivins started showing signs of strain, the Times said. It quoted a longtime colleague as saying Ivins was being treated for depression and indicated to a therapist that he was considering suicide. Family members and local police escorted Ivins away from the Army lab, and his access to sensitive areas was curtailed, the colleague told the newspaper. He said Ivins was facing a forced retirement in September.

The colleague declined to be identified out of concern that he would be harassed by the FBI, the report said.

Ivins was one of the nation's leading biodefense researchers.

In 2003, Ivins and two of his colleagues at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick received the highest honor given to Defense Department civilian employees for helping solve technical problems in the manufacture of anthrax vaccine.

In 1997, U.S. military personnel began receiving the vaccine to protect against a possible biological attack. Within months, a number of vaccine lots failed a potency test required by federal regulators, causing a shortage of vaccine and eventually halting the immunization program. The USAMRIID team's work led to the reapproval of the vaccine for human use.

The Times said Ivins was the son of a Princeton-educated pharmacist who was born and raised in Lebanon, Ohio. He received undergraduate and graduate degrees, including a Ph.D. in microbiology, from the University of Cincinnati.


Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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I can't imagine what his motive might have been... but maybe his birthplace had something to do with it...

Drew
08-01-2008, 07:16 AM
Should have done a massive dose of anthrax.

Fallen
08-01-2008, 07:25 AM
...I knew this guy. Suicide? God fucking damn it.

Peanut Butter Jelly Time
08-01-2008, 07:34 AM
Some people might get all high and mighty considering the circumstances, but I can't help feeling like this is a terrible shame. Someone who could do so much good for a country, and moreso the entire world, just gone like that? There wasn't any other way for the guy to live his time on Earth continuing the research that has already paid dividends for the planet as a whole?

It just seems like the kind of thing that would make you step back and think about the way we handle things as a society. The guy knew he was on the verge of being persecuted as the next Timothy McVeigh, which is a shame, because we really don't have all the details on what may or may not have happened, and whether it was even the guy's fault.

Fallen
08-01-2008, 07:41 AM
I helped the FBI get around the building during their "Investigation". They didn't seem very on the ball, but what the fuck do I know. They've been investigating a few people for a long, long time. David Hatfield is another.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-01-2008, 08:27 AM
Some people might get all high and mighty considering the circumstances, but I can't help feeling like this is a terrible shame. Someone who could do so much good for a country, and moreso the entire world, just gone like that? There wasn't any other way for the guy to live his time on Earth continuing the research that has already paid dividends for the planet as a whole?

It just seems like the kind of thing that would make you step back and think about the way we handle things as a society. The guy knew he was on the verge of being persecuted as the next Timothy McVeigh, which is a shame, because we really don't have all the details on what may or may not have happened, and whether it was even the guy's fault.

I agree.

I don't think that him killing himself is admission of guilt, at all. When faced with extreme persecution he wouldn't be the first or last one to think taking yourself out is the best option. I mean, if he did do it then yeah it was wrong and terrible but now I guess we're not really going to know.

RichardCranium
08-01-2008, 08:32 AM
How could it be anything other than an admission of guilt?

Peanut Butter Jelly Time
08-01-2008, 08:41 AM
How could it be anything other than an admission of guilt?

Having that kind of accusation brought up against you in front of the Nation you love, and worked your entire life for, essentially turning all of your life's accomplishments into footnotes... All of the work you provided would be brought up into question, or immediately discredited, only to be redeemed by yet another researcher shortly down the road.

Then think of how it would feel to be placed in the same category as Osama Bin Laden while your family and loved ones had to ride out the waves from the mere accusation. Death threats, hate mail, protests, a constant influx of negativity in general. Yeah, I can't see a reason for him to EVER want to spare himself, much less his family that. With the way the American media would've portrayed this man, I have little doubt that we would've seen him less than every bit the "evil mastermind" figure we saw McVeigh. They even could've used 9/11 sympathy to top it off!

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-01-2008, 08:43 AM
How could it be anything other than an admission of guilt?

Wow.

So you don't think knowing that you are innocent of something but are still going to be put on trial, go to jail for at least some time for (the duration of the trial at least) and be persecuted and have your name drug through the mud (not to mention probably put a cramp in or end your career) wouldn't push someone to kill themself?

Most suicides are done out of hopelessness and a desperation related to that. Just because he clearly felt hopeless doesn't mean he was clearly guilty.

RichardCranium
08-01-2008, 08:59 AM
The article writes that there was another man exonerated just recently. He wasn't crucified by the media. I'm sure his work hasn't suffered because of it. Why would this case be any different if he had nothing to hide?

Tisket
08-01-2008, 09:08 AM
Personally, I'd fight an unjust accusation tooth and nail. Killing oneself does seem like an admission of guilt to me as well. I can't speak for anyone else but I'd not want to off myself if there was any hope of proving my innocence.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-01-2008, 09:10 AM
People just react differently under pressure. It's not surprising.

Just like if the apocalypse were upon us, some people would probably commit suicide while others would, as Tisket said, fight tooth and nail. Depending on your mental state, your own genetic disposition when it comes to coping with stressful situations, and the actual situation, not everyone will react the same to a situation.

Some people simply cannot cope, or else their way of "coping" is suicide. The only admission of guilt would be, well, an admission of guilt.

Clove
08-01-2008, 09:11 AM
How could it be anything other than an admission of guilt?Don't be silly.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-01-2008, 09:14 AM
Not to mention there have been documented cases where someone was tried and/or convicted and then later found innocent and released, who went and killed themselves.

Tisket
08-01-2008, 09:17 AM
Just like if the apocalypse were upon us, some people would probably commit suicide while others would, as Tisket said, fight tooth and nail.

Those fucking zombies aren't getting me! No way.

Sylvan Dreams
08-01-2008, 09:31 AM
Not to mention there have been documented cases where someone was tried and/or convicted and then later found innocent and released, who went and killed themselves.

Because people will still remember the case. Even if you were innocent, most people won't remember that. They'll remember the person that got arrested for X, not the person that was found innocent for doing Y.

Skeeter
08-01-2008, 09:35 AM
Ask OJ if he feels exonerated.

Clove
08-01-2008, 10:15 AM
The only admission of guilt would be, well, an admission of guilt.QFT. Even though you'd think that would be a pretty basic statement... many people in the United States struggle with it.

Allereli
08-01-2008, 10:39 AM
Hatfield is getting $2.8 mil up front and another $150k a year for life because the government leaked his name to the media.

The anthrax attacks were scary and a serious fucking pain in the ass to try and conduct business during. I think we went almost a week without even getting mail, and then it came yellowed and in plastic bags from the scanning machines. We had to FedEx or hand deliver everything.

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 11:31 AM
I helped the FBI get around the building during their "Investigation". They didn't seem very on the ball, but what the fuck do I know. They've been investigating a few people for a long, long time. David Hatfield is another.

How did someone in a military research facility manage to pull this off? I had security stop me for a rodent that I was taking care of and happened to bring into work when I was doing my high school Intel at a research hospital. Before 9-11.

By the way, do not bring your best friend's pet gerbills you're babysitting to work when it's NYU. They would not let me leave.

Fallen
08-01-2008, 11:46 AM
How could it be anything other than an admission of guilt?

Because he saw what the other people under investigation went through and didn't want to put himself, and his family through that nightmare? Believe me, a scientist's life is basically ruined short of suing for damages after they get done with you. Your credibility amongst your peers is gone, guilty or innocent.

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 11:57 AM
Because he saw what the other people under investigation went through and didn't want to put himself, and his family through that nightmare? Believe me, a scientist's life is basically ruined short of suing for damages after they get done with you. Your credibility amongst your peers is gone, guilty or innocent.

I never tried to aerosolize anthracis bacillis when doing smears for micro, no offense. Or fuck with a Western blot. Or fuck with an ELISA. Unless ELISA is a girl.

Fallen
08-01-2008, 12:02 PM
I've accidently aerosolized B. Anthracis when doing cell culture. It isn't hard. It is called dropping it.

Peanut Butter Jelly Time
08-01-2008, 12:03 PM
I never tried to aerosolize anthracis bacillis when doing smears for micro, no offense. Or fuck with a Western blot. Or fuck with an ELISA. Unless ELISA is a girl.

I'm not sure what half of those words mean, but I'm pretty sure he was paid to, and you weren't.

Fallen
08-01-2008, 12:07 PM
They are all different tests/methods/etc in examining/identifying a substance, I guess would be the easiest way to describe it. Boring, boring ass stuff. I stick to the animal work.

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 12:12 PM
I've accidently aerosolized B. Anthracis when doing cell culture. It isn't hard. It is called dropping it.

Slide the hood door down to the arrows. Heh :-P

You can't believe these fucking safety procedures and having to know the most ridiculous human tissue fuck-ups that've led to aerosolizing them and someone who conveniently was covered in open legions and is now wasting my time with department protocol.

The last safety protocol (when I worked in research over the Summer) had to deal with, I swear, someone who gave themselves a viral hemorrhagic after not properly cleaning their hands when sifting through baboon excrement.

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 12:19 PM
I'm not sure what half of those words mean, but I'm pretty sure he was paid to, and you weren't.

Although I'd rather do community service, I was severely burdened with opening a 401k back when I wasn't skinny enough to act pretentious.

Peanut Butter Jelly Time
08-01-2008, 12:28 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/581/000022515/david_blaine001b.jpg

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Is that David Blaine?

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 12:30 PM
Hah! Nice one, sandwich.

Stanley Burrell
08-01-2008, 01:23 PM
They are all different tests/methods/etc in examining/identifying a substance, I guess would be the easiest way to describe it. Boring, boring ass stuff. I stick to the animal work.

Hey now! I did a lot of not-so-boring animal macro (I still have to dissect a cat, whoopty fuck) before the phase contrast was invented :smug:

Edited to Add: What do you actually do, Fallen (on a see-no-evil-hear-no-evil basis) -- Veterinary for the Military sounds ... different, er? Not that vet, in and of itself, isn't awesome. Are you doing a college internship ... or a post-doc? Since I'm really not sure where you are on the age and/or job spectrum.

RichardCranium
08-04-2008, 04:04 PM
link here (http://batonrouge.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D92BLLNO1&_action=validatearticle)


By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON (Associated Press) -- The top suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks was obsessed with a sorority that sat less than 100 yards away from a New Jersey mailbox where the toxin-laced letters were sent, authorities said Monday.

Multiple U.S. officials told The Associated Press that former Army scientist Bruce Ivins was long obsessed with the sorority Kappa Kappa Gamma, going back as far as his own college days at the University of Cincinnati.

The officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The bizarre link to the sorority may indirectly explain one of the biggest mysteries in the case: why the anthrax was mailed from Princeton, N.J., 195 miles from the Army biological weapons lab the anthrax is believed to have been smuggled out of.

An adviser to the Kappa Kappa Gamma chapter at Princeton University confirmed she was interviewed by the FBI in connection with the case.

U.S. officials said e-mails or other documents detail Ivins' long-standing fixation on the sorority. His former therapist has said Ivins plotted revenge against those who have slighted him, particularly women. There is nothing to indicate, however, he was focused on any one sorority member or other Princeton student, the officials said.

Despite the connection between Ivins and the sorority, authorities acknowledge they cannot place the scientist in Princeton the day the anthrax was mailed. That remains a hole in the government's case. Had Ivins not killed himself last week, authorities would have argued he could have made the seven-hour round trip to Princeton after work.

Katherine Breckinridge Graham, a Kappa alumna who serves as an adviser to the sorority's Princeton chapter, said Monday she was interviewed by FBI agents "over the last couple of years" about the case. She said she could not provide any details about the interview because she signed an FBI nondisclosure form.

However, Graham said there was nothing to indicate that any of the sorority members had anything to do with Ivins.

"Nothing odd went on," said Graham, an attorney.

Kappa Kappa Gamma executive director Lauren Paitson, reached at the sorority's headquarters in Columbus, Ohio, initially told an AP reporter Monday afternoon she would provide a comment shortly. She did not answer subsequent phone messages or e-mails seeking a response.

Some of the scientist's friends and former co-workers have reacted with skepticism as details about the investigation surfaced. They questioned whether Ivins had the motive to unleash such an attack and whether he could have secretly created the powder form of the deadly toxin without co-workers noticing.

Princeton University referred questions about Ivins to the FBI. The university does not formally recognize sororities and fraternities but chapters operate off campus.

Local police in both Princeton Borough and Princeton Township said Ivins' name did not turn up on any incident reports or restraining orders.

Kappa Kappa Gamma also has chapters at nearby colleges in Maryland, Pennsylvania and Washington. One official said investigators were working off the theory that Ivins chose to mail the letters from the Princeton chapter to confuse investigators if he ever were to emerge as a suspect in the case.

Five people died and 17 others sickened by the anthrax plot, which was launched on the heels of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The following August, investigators announced they'd found anthrax spores inside the mailbox on Nassau Street, the town's main thoroughfare. FBI agents immediately began canvassing the town, showing residents a photograph of Army scientist Steven J. Hatfill, who at the time was a key "person of interest" in the case.

That theory fell flat and this June, the Justice Department exonerated Hatfill and agreed to a $5.8 million settlement with him.

In the past year, the FBI has turned a close eye on Ivins, whom a therapist said had a history of homicidal and sociopathic behavior. Prosecutors had planned to indict Ivins and seek the death penalty but, knowing investigators were closing in, he killed himself with an overdose of acetaminophen, the key ingredient in Tylenol.

With its top suspect now dead, the Justice Department is considering closing the "Amerithrax" investigations. It has been among the FBI's most publicized unsolved cases and, if it is closed, authorities are expected to unseal court documents that outline much of their case against Ivins.

AnticorRifling
08-04-2008, 04:16 PM
I thought I heard that they were still weeks from and indictment.

AestheticDeath
08-04-2008, 04:28 PM
Whoever did it, Ivins or someone else, must have been pretty smart to have stumped the FBI this long. They still don't have it solved 100%.

Makes you wonder how smart the FBI is. Though I suppose if the perp didn't use all the nice modern technology we have, it might be harder for the FBI to utilize the methods they more then likely use now days.

Skeeter
08-04-2008, 04:31 PM
A policeman once told me that the only reason they ever catch anyone is either

1. dumb luck or
2. the person can't keep their mouth shut and brags to the wrong person.

Stanley Burrell
08-04-2008, 04:34 PM
Whoever did it, Ivins or someone else, must have been pretty smart to have stumped the FBI this long. They still don't have it solved 100%.

Makes you wonder how smart the FBI is. Though I suppose if the perp didn't use all the nice modern technology we have, it might be harder for the FBI to utilize the methods they more then likely use now days.

The FBI? He managed to do this, not only shortly after 9-11, but in the very presence of military research.

Latrinsorm
08-05-2008, 12:10 PM
the FBI has turned a close eye on Ivins, whom a therapist said had a history of homicidal and sociopathic behavior.First of all, exactly what does "homicidal behavior" entail? Isn't it pretty much killing people?

Second, this is the person the government trusts with biological weapons???

thefarmer
08-05-2008, 12:21 PM
You work on the base, fallen?

TheEschaton
08-05-2008, 12:29 PM
Uh, the FBI is full of well-meaning people, but...yeah.

I heard once that the ratio of solved to unsolved cases out of the NYC office was something like 1 to 20. But that might of been biased, as an NYPD officer was claiming that the FBI was a bunch of retards.

-TheE-