Media's guilt plays well for Obama and McCain

[Gan]

John Kass
July 23, 2008


The Drudge Report ran a juicy item about the fact that only one reporter showed up to cover Republican John McCain at a campaign stop in New Hampshire the other day.

Just one.

The lonely print reporter from the Manchester Union Leader stood on the tarmac, waiting for McCain's plane to land. McCain, obviously upset at being dissed by yet another meager media throng, didn't stop to chat.

"Did you ever notice that when John McCain is on TV he's always grumpy?" asked a colleague in the cafeteria who whispered, lest others denounce him for Barackian Thought Crimes.

"McCain's always made to look old and angry, a curmudgeon. And Barack Obama? He's always seen as presidential, cool, smiling, shaking hands," whispered the guy.

I believe this phenomenon is called liberal bias. And the country has caught on.

Since I mentioned it a few days ago, newspapers, Web sites, radio and TV news have been full of stories about media bias and outraged denials, recrimination and guilt. Always the guilt. Obama's people know we're guilty.

Guilt is what McCain is playing on, too, trying to shame journalists with a new video with dueling sound tracks about the Media Love that Dares Speak Barack, featuring MSNBC host Chris Matthews shrieking that when he hears Obama talk, a tingle runs down his leg.

Predictably, McCain blew it by selecting lame songs for his video. He should have used "Barry Angel" sung to the old dusty "Johnny Angel" or my personal favorite, "Oh-Bama" sung to the 1958 hit, "Oh, Donna," back in the Route 66 days when McCain was young and not so old.

Yet has anyone noticed McCain's complaining? No.

Because Obama might again work out three times in one day—the recent subject of a story explaining how he stays so skinny and young—and we'd cover all aspects of his beauty, again, if there is tape. And jealous old John McCain tromps alone on tarmacs in the night.

McCain is now cast as the crabby uncle who visits and shrieks there's no gin in your house. He grabs the TV remote control, turns off the cartoons and forces the kids to watch the ancient Mesopotamia special on The History Channel.

Just hope the kids don't dare tell uncle that Iraq doesn't border Pakistan. He'll nuke them.

Meanwhile, the Democrat Obama is treated quite differently. He's the Mr. Tumnus of American politics, the gentle forest faun of Narnia, with throngs of reporters trembling to sit with him at tea and cakes, like the little girl in the C.S. Lewis story, as he plays the flute, chanting "We Are The Change We've Been Waiting For." And nobody laughs.

You don't laugh because you can't make fun of Obama. The ground would swallow you whole.

He's still busy fighting off throngs of reporters, a cast of thousands as urgent and impassioned as in those old Hollywood biblical epics. This situation continues on his overseas campaign trip. TV anchors were all but ululating (which has nothing to do with sex) at his approach, desperate for interviews after he sank that three-point shot in front of American troops and hit nothing but net.

Who needs foreign policy expertise when you're so cool, you risk a three-point shot and make it on camera?

And when reporters weren't arguing about getting access to his fact-finding-tour-campaign-commercial this week, they were tossing rose petals before him, so that his feet wouldn't touch the ground.

OK, I'm exaggerating about the roses. There are no rose petals left, because the media used them all up on Obama during his battle with the Clintons. I guess they'll have to use palm fronds now.

I hesitated to suggest this is because of liberal media bias, because the last time I said so, I was frightened and intimidated by the angry left blog Daily Kos, which has discovered that I'm not liberal. One Kos reader suggested that he'd read my column in the Tribune only "if the headline read 'Tribune Columnist Beaten to a Pulp.' "

How nice.

I didn't know Chicago Machine Democrats and their pals in the Illinois Republican Party were such devoted Kosmaniacs. Happily, one poster didn't want me dead. Just half dead and pulpy and ready to listen to reason.

Though we disagree, you've got to admire the Hard Left's restraint and tolerance for different views, as long as those views don't compel them to fantasize you've been beaten to a pulpy mass.

Yet pulpy or not, the thing is, reporters are generally biased toward Obama. The denials are getting old. Old as McCain. According to a Rasmussen poll, half of all Americans believe the media will favor Obama in their news coverage leading up to the November presidential election.

Sadly, that half of Americans is wrong once again.

Because the election is over, isn't it? Obama is president, all we're waiting for is the transcending, when a beam of light shines on Chris Matthews' face, carrying him to the heavens, smiling, that tingle running down his leg.

jskass@tribune.com

Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune

As featured on RCP:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-23-jul23,0,1832802.column

[Daniel]

Lol

[Parkbandit]

If people don't see it during this race, then they are purposely ignoring it.

[Gan]

lol indeed

[crb]

"McCain's always made to look old and angry, a curmudgeon. And Barack Obama? He's always seen as presidential, cool, smiling, shaking hands," whispered the guy.

I saw this last night on the news on I think CBS it was. A picture of Obama, bright faced and smiling, right next to a picture of McCain, looking constipated... it was like a cheesy before and after shot from a hair salon. Really really sad.

[CrystalTears]

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

[Parkbandit]

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

:rofl: That's some funny shit.

[RichardCranium]

I like the article because the writer doesn't use a lot of hyperbole to make his point.

[CrystalTears]

It's like Ashliana wrote it.

There... I said it.

[ClydeR]

I like the article because the writer doesn't use a lot of hyperbole to make his point.

:rofl: You have a good sense of humor.

[Warriorbird]

Obama's pictures always show him off as Presidential. McCain's not so much.

Nobody in the traditional media will run anything genuinely critical of McCain. They're more than willing to be critical of Obama after Hillary called them on it.

Photographers vs. Reporters?

[Gan]

THATS IT! ITS ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHERS FAULT!



...

[Warriorbird]

I think the photographers are scared of being accused of being racist towards Obama. I think the reporters are worried about being critical of McCain as war hero.

I'm pretty serious about the difference though. Compare the number of bad Obama shots to McCain shots. Compare the amount of serious journalistic attacks towards McCain v Obama.

Obama is more talked about because the reporters just don't talk about McCain at all. I find it rather pathetic. They should feel free to direct a similar amount of BS towards McCain compared to what Obama deals with.

[Parkbandit]

If reporters were the least bit critical of Obama, you might actually have a point. Instead, we are left with big puff pieces on Obama.

[Warriorbird]

Uh... no.

Maybe you somehow live in some mysterious liberal area of Florida. I see anti Obama bullshit all the time. I see NOTHING critical of McCain.

[Parkbandit]

Uh... no.

Maybe you somehow live in some mysterious liberal area of Florida. I see anti Obama bullshit all the time. I see NOTHING critical of McCain.

Sarcasm should be in italics... Otherwise people will think you are retarded.

I'll make a deal with you... For every positive story you post about McCain, I'll respond with a typical Obama puff piece. First one unable to respond,looses.

[Daniel]

lol indeed

I doubt me and you are loling at the same thing.

One need only look at the last few pages of the politics topic to see how bullshit this article is. Allow me:

Media's guilt plays well for Obama and McCain

Obama's 'civilian national security force'

McCain to Steal Obama's Thunder?

Obama's Foreign Policy

Iraq Needs a New Prime Minister

Vs.

More nails in McCain's coffin


Lets be serious here. McCain has done nothing that would make him stand out in the Media. Oh..you guys are abunch of whiners about the economy. There is nothing to see here, just stop complaining. Or, Lets just stay the course in Iraq.

I'm also loling at the fact that all of you republicans were sitting here in
April having a circle jerk because you seemed to think that the drawn out primary somehow was going to put Obama at an insurmountable disadvantage to McCain. Whereas, now you're all crying the liberal conspiracy when that's *obviously* not the case.

I'm glad that head start he had on financing his campaign worked out well when Obama out funded him 2-1 last month.

[Clove]

It's true. Every story that hits the media ends up in the Politics folder.

[Sean]

I'd venture it probably has more to do with the people who are Pro-Obama really don't give a shit about McCain... while then people who are Pro-McCain seemingly care a whole hell of a lot about Obama. More important than the thread topics are the thread posters.. If you eliminate the fluff threads (Ashliana (Pb), Hot Muslims (Crb), etc.) the political thread starts looks like.. Gan, Crb, Gan, ClydeR, ClydeR, Crb, Clove, ClydR, Briarfox, Crb, Crb, NocturnalRob, ClydeR, Gan, Gan, Wb, ClydeR, Crb... you get the point.

[Clove]

Mabus, Daniel, Keller, CT...

We're kicking New Jersey out of the Union.

[Parkbandit]

Anyone who tries to equate the US media to the 'authors' on this message board seriously should block this site.

Might just be the dumbest coorelation ever.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Clove
Mabus, Daniel, Keller, CT...

We're kicking New Jersey out of the Union.

Of those 4 only 2 have started a politics thread in the last month (Mabus & Keller).

Don't get upset because you got lumped in with PB and Crb.

[Daniel]

It's true. Every story that hits the media ends up in the Politics folder.

That's not the point. It's obvious that's nt the case.

The point is that there is obviously more than a few news stories hitting the stands that portray Obama in a negative light. Maybe if they weren't all bullshit they'd get some traction with the rest of the country.

Can hardly blame the liberal conspiracy machine for that one.

[Daniel]

Anyone who tries to equate the US media to the 'authors' on this message board seriously should block this site.

Might just be the dumbest coorelation ever.

Lol @ you even attempting to use the word correlation and failing miserably.

[Parkbandit]

Lol @ you even attempting to use the word correlation and failing miserably.

And JUST when I didn't think it was possible for you to look dumber... You post this and remove all doubt . I suppose the next thing you post here will be that some one stole your iPhone and posted that without your knowledge?

[Parkbandit]

Hey WB... Please tell me you are going to take me up on my offer...

[Gan]

I'd venture it probably has more to do with the people who are Pro-Obama really don't give a shit about McCain... while then people who are Pro-McCain seemingly care a whole hell of a lot about Obama. More important than the thread topics are the thread posters.. If you eliminate the fluff threads (Ashliana (Pb), Hot Muslims (Crb), etc.) the political thread starts looks like.. Gan, Crb, Gan, ClydeR, ClydeR, Crb, Clove, ClydR, Briarfox, Crb, Crb, NocturnalRob, ClydeR, Gan, Gan, Wb, ClydeR, Crb... you get the point.

Some people have a phobia about creating threads of discussion in the politics folder. Take WB for instance...

Oneshot posting in a thread already created is totally different than making a thread and being called out for it. Some people just like the view better from the bench/bleachers... thats all.

[Warriorbird]

I like applying minimal effort to this folder.

I don't argue that there isn't much coverage of McCain. There's just much less serious negative coverage of McCain than there is of Obama.

[CrystalTears]

Politics is the same in life as it is on the PC... you always pick on the n00b most.

[Gan]

I doubt me and you are loling at the same thing.

One need only look at the last few pages of the politics topic to see how bullshit this article is. Allow me:

Media's guilt plays well for Obama and McCain

Obama's 'civilian national security force'

McCain to Steal Obama's Thunder?

Obama's Foreign Policy

Iraq Needs a New Prime Minister

Vs.

More nails in McCain's coffin
Right, because a story posted on Real Clear Politics vis a vis Chicago Tribune is somehow equated to the stories that are posted here by a select few. lol indeed (@ your comparison)



Lets be serious here. McCain has done nothing that would make him stand out in the Media. Oh..you guys are abunch of whiners about the economy. There is nothing to see here, just stop complaining. Or, Lets just stay the course in Iraq.
Lets be serious here. Even a blind person can see the circus thats parading around the middle east right now - and how its being spoon fed to the average media idiot here in the US. If anything, Obama should dress up in a red/white/blue sequen'd outfit complete with top hat and try to pass himself off as a singing yankee doodle dandy. As we go further along in this process and Obama shifts more to the center (I'll be nice and not calling flip flopping) I'm more and more convinced that he's "too good to be true". I like it that he represents youth, change, and vigor. I just dont like how he's starting to appear disingenuous on the issues or how he's starting to appear like a bandleader/ring master of a 3 ring circus.


I'm also loling at the fact that all of you republicans were sitting here in
April having a circle jerk because you seemed to think that the drawn out primary somehow was going to put DNC at an insurmountable disadvantage to McCain. Whereas, now you're all crying the liberal conspiracy when that's *obviously* not the case.
Fixed that for you. Because if you remember, at that time a winner was yet to have been decided, therefore it couldnt have been us lamenting about "Obama".


I'm glad that head start he had on financing his campaign worked out well when Obama out funded him 2-1 last month.
Another testiment to the 'show' thats being rolled out for the public. People pay for great entertainment. I"m just afraid the product being paid for is more than what meets the eye (the machine behind the candidate). It kind of reminds me of the Clinton circus we had back in '92.

If anything I think we're starting to see a definitive election/candidate cycle starting to appear. :(

[Gan]

I like applying minimal effort to any folder.

Fixed that for you. At least admit it next time. ;)

[Warriorbird]

Hmm. It's true. Much more fun that way. This is supposed to be about fun.

[ClydeR]

Gan, Crb, Gan, ClydeR, ClydeR, Crb, Clove, ClydR, Briarfox, Crb, Crb, NocturnalRob, ClydeR, Gan, Gan, Wb, ClydeR, Crb... you get the point.

Why let those few people tell you what to think? I play my own tune even when everyone else (erroneously) believes that I am wrong.

This is an important election year. Speak up, and find out if your opinion and your candidate are defensible.

[Warriorbird]

So are you voting for that wacko from Liberty? That'd be awesome. I also find your love for a drug addled rock band cool.

[Keller]

Why let those few people tell you what to think? I play my own tune even when everyone else (erroneously) believes that I am wrong.

This is an important election year. Speak up, and find out if your opinion and your candidate are defensible.

It has less to do with letting those people tell you what to think and more with avoiding futile "discussion".

[Warriorbird]

Typical anti Obama story from a theoretically liberal source.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/index.html

More:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/mccain/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/martin.vouchers/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/obama.hurt.blacks/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/18/enthusiasm/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/us.iraq/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/mccain.foreign.policy/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html (a joke... but none the less...)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/09/clinton.obama/index.html

Show that many articles from Fox that're negative towards McCain for the month of July and I'll laugh.

That's only 2 weeks as well.

[Tsa`ah]

Let's see ... how long did the media troll on about Wright? Ayers? Mrs. Obama? Rezko? Obama's foreign policy (that the current administration has adopted)? His admitted past drug use?

Now how much air time has been given to McCain's druggie wife? How he left his last wife (getting a license to marry his current wife before even filing for divorce from his former wife)? Five years of not paying taxes on his beach house in Cali (one of several homes held in trust) His flight record as an aviator prior to being shot down during Viet Nam? The associations he sought after referring to them as "agents of intolerance"?

I'm sorry, but Obama has faced more heat from the media and stepped up to the plate. McCain, a guy I like, has faced little ... and was dismissive of what little there was.

[crb]

Typical anti Obama story from a theoretically liberal source.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/index.html

More:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/mccain/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/martin.vouchers/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/obama.hurt.blacks/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/18/enthusiasm/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/us.iraq/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/mccain.foreign.policy/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html (a joke... but none the less...)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/09/clinton.obama/index.html

Show that many articles from Fox that're negative towards McCain for the month of July and I'll laugh.

That's only 2 weeks as well.
Warriorbird.... you, again, do not know of what you speak.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

A UCLA Political Science Professor... hmm... college professor... of political science... in LA.... I'm going to guess he's a liberal.... did this study.

Additionally there was another study, which I cannot find the linkage for now, that compared how fox handled clinton, mccain, and obama early this year and found they were hardest on McCain.

Meanwhile.. Chris Matthews gets a tingle up his leg.

[Parkbandit]

Typical anti Obama story from a theoretically liberal source.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/index.html

More:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/mccain/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/martin.vouchers/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/22/obama.hurt.blacks/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/18/enthusiasm/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/us.iraq/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/mccain.foreign.policy/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html (a joke... but none the less...)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/09/clinton.obama/index.html

Show that many articles from Fox that're negative towards McCain for the month of July and I'll laugh.

That's only 2 weeks as well.

Now now now WB.. that wasn't your argument. Here was my offer:


Sarcasm should be in italics... Otherwise people will think you are retarded.

I'll make a deal with you... For every positive story you post about McCain, I'll respond with a typical Obama puff piece. First one unable to respond,looses.

Let's work on the positives.. then we'll tackle the negatives.

[crb]

Let's see ... how long did the media troll on about Wright? Ayers? Mrs. Obama? Rezko? Obama's foreign policy (that the current administration has adopted)? His admitted past drug use?

Now how much air time has been given to McCain's druggie wife? How he left his last wife (getting a license to marry his current wife before even filing for divorce from his former wife)? Five years of not paying taxes on his beach house in Cali (one of several homes held in trust) His flight record as an aviator prior to being shot down during Viet Nam? The associations he sought after referring to them as "agents of intolerance"?

I'm sorry, but Obama has faced more heat from the media and stepped up to the plate. McCain, a guy I like, has faced little ... and was dismissive of what little there was.
Man you're a twit.

How many years ago was McCain in Viet'nam, did he get divorced, etc, has many elected offices since then? Has he run for president since then? Do you think maybe all these things have been hashed out previously?

Meanwhile, Obama has never really been vetted. He had a calk wake to his current senate seat, he is halfway through his first term, and most of that time he has been running for president.

The one big thing about McCain, that allegation from the NYT about him having an affair with a lobbyist. He was not dismissive. He literally stood and answered every question reporters had until they ran out of questions. Contrast that to Obama's slip and slide way of talking to reporters, and how his campaign often keeps them at arms length.

[crb]

Now now now WB.. that wasn't your argument. Here was my offer:



Let's work on the positives.. then we'll tackle the negatives.

Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Sarcasm should be in italics... Otherwise people will think you are retarded.

I'll make a deal with you... For every positive story you post about McCain, I'll respond with a typical Obama puff piece. First one unable to respond,looses.

That should be easy enough, just grab a copy of Newsweek so you can read about Fareed Zakaria cumming all over Obama.

[Warriorbird]

Heck, PB, you've even got crb making my point.

[BigWorm]

Man you're a twit.

How many years ago was McCain in Viet'nam, did he get divorced, etc, has many elected offices since then? Has he run for president since then? Do you think maybe all these things have been hashed out previously?

That's cute. Things like Nam get brought up when he wants to highlight his "experience" but anything negative from the past is old news and irrelevant?

[Gan]

How many years ago was McCain in Viet'nam, did he get divorced, etc, has many elected offices since then? Has he run for president since then? Do you think maybe all these things have been hashed out previously?

This deserved repeating.

Most/all dirt on McCain is already common knowledge from his previous attempts for the White House.

Its

[Gan]

Just for shits and giggles.

I did a cursory glance through the 3 of the 4 sites that I usually scan when looking at news items:

Here they are and the relevant totals of articles and if they were positive (+) or negative (-): (note a positive article can also include a negative count if it disparages the opponent)

Drudge:
Obama: 5+, 1-
McCain: 5+, 1-
CNN (politics page):
Obama: 6+, 4-
McCain: 5+, 2-
Politico:
Obama: 12+, 2-
McCain: 5+, 4-

[Daniel]

And JUST when I didn't think it was possible for you to look dumber... You post this and remove all doubt . I suppose the next thing you post here will be that some one stole your iPhone and posted that without your knowledge?

I miss the "Coorelation" between this post and mine.

[Daniel]

Right, because a story posted on Real Clear Politics vis a vis Chicago Tribune is somehow equated to the stories that are posted here by a select few. lol indeed (@ your comparison)


Lets be serious here. Even a blind person can see the circus thats parading around the middle east right now - and how its being spoon fed to the average media idiot here in the US. If anything, Obama should dress up in a red/white/blue sequen'd outfit complete with top hat and try to pass himself off as a singing yankee doodle dandy. As we go further along in this process and Obama shifts more to the center (I'll be nice and not calling flip flopping) I'm more and more convinced that he's "too good to be true". I like it that he represents youth, change, and vigor. I just dont like how he's starting to appear disingenuous on the issues or how he's starting to appear like a bandleader/ring master of a 3 ring circus.



If you say so man. Your numbers don't match this statement at all, but okay.



Fixed that for you. Because if you remember, at that time a winner was yet to have been decided, therefore it couldnt have been us lamenting about "Obama".

Yea. Same difference. Thanks for "fixing" that for me.



Another testiment to the 'show' thats being rolled out for the public. People pay for great entertainment. I"m just afraid the product being paid for is more than what meets the eye (the machine behind the candidate). It kind of reminds me of the Clinton circus we had back in '92.

If anything I think we're starting to see a definitive election/candidate cycle starting to appear. :(

Absolutely. It's a show. It's not people believing in his message. It's not him having a better platform or running a better campaign. It's a show.

Check.

I'm glad your already laying the justification for a november loss now.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm glad your already laying the justification for a november loss now.At least we don't have to worry about people taking the other excuse the Hilary partisans loved: that people aren't voting for McCain because they're sexist.

[Gan]

If you say so man. Your numbers don't match this statement at all, but okay.



Yea. Same difference. Thanks for "fixing" that for me.



Absolutely. It's a show. It's not people believing in his message. It's not him having a better platform or running a better campaign. It's a show.

Check.

I'm glad your already laying the justification for a november loss now.

Spoken like a true Obamaniac.

:clap:

[Warriorbird]

The idea that "My candidate doesn't deserve any criticism because everybody cares/is educated about him" is really stupid. It does bear repeating.

[Gan]

I dont think anyone has said he doesnt deserve it.

I believe most were/are saying its really not new news, in fact its pretty much common knowledge by this point.

At least thats what I'm saying.

[BigWorm]

I dont think anyone has said he doesnt deserve it.

I believe most were/are saying its really not new news, in fact its pretty much common knowledge by this point.

At least thats what I'm saying.

So you would say the average American would be familiar with something like Cindy McCain's drug problem or McCain's record prior to his capture? Because I definitely wouldn't. Calling it common knowledge is bullshit.

[Gan]

So you would say the average American would be familiar with something like Cindy McCain's drug problem or McCain's record prior to his capture? Because I definitely wouldn't. Calling it common knowledge is bullshit.

Dont be stupid.

I'm saying it was common knowledge after his run for the white house in 2000. Or it was brought up in any of his previous senate election bids.

Please try and keep up.

[ClydeR]

...or McCain's record prior to his capture?

What are you referring to? It is well known that McCain did not have a stellar academic record at the military academy. I don't see why his grades in the 1950s are an issue today. George Bush has proven that having a good academic record is not a requirement to get elected or be a good president. Character is more important than content.

[Tsa`ah]

Oh snap ... some real facts.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story

Keep in mind ... when Robert Lichter has something to say, Fox usually rolls out the red carpet. They're not touching this one.

[Daniel]

Oooh snap. I wonder what excuse Gan will come up with now.

[Parkbandit]

Oooh snap. I wonder what excuse Gan will come up with now.


I think what he meant to say *73%* of all emissions or 14.6% of the global total.

[Daniel]

Weee!!!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/8/d/c/highres_2687324.jpeg

[Stanley Burrell]

I think what he meant to say *73%* of all emissions or 14.6% of the global total.

Do you realize you're using this statement, more than once, to make hysterical attempts to quip Daniel?

Say something about wallets, and drugs, and the Army. And GemStone.

[Parkbandit]

Do you realize you're using this statement, more than once, to make hysterical attempts to quip Daniel?

Say something about wallets, and drugs, and the Army. And GemStone.

Wait.. Daniel wanted an excuse.. I just recycled one of his. Granted, it was lame and had nothing to do with energy consumtion.. but it's still fucking funny.

Almost as funny as your life (or lack thereof)

[BigWorm]

Wait.. Daniel wanted an excuse.. I just recycled one of his. Granted, it was lame and had nothing to do with energy consumtion.. but it's still fucking funny.

Almost as funny as your life (or lack thereof)

You really like to beat dead horses don't you?

[Faent]

Liberal bias? That's one explanation. Another is that everyone with half a brain recognizes that McCain is one of the most complete idiots to have ever lived near the surface of the Earth. I opt for the latter explanation.

[RichardCranium]

Liberal bias? That's one explanation. Another is that everyone with half a brain recognizes that McCain is one of the most complete idiots to have ever lived near the surface of the Earth. I opt for the latter explanation.

How's the view up there?

[Gan]

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...0,712999.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story)




Oooh snap. I wonder what excuse Gan will come up with now.

Ooooh snap. Kind of confirms what I've been saying about the media and McCain. ;)



I dont think anyone has said he doesnt deserve it.

I believe most were/are saying its really not new news, in fact its pretty much common knowledge by this point.

At least thats what I'm saying.



Dont be stupid.

I'm saying it was common knowledge after his run for the white house in 2000. Or it was brought up in any of his previous senate election bids.

Please try and keep up.
In other words, thats why McCain has little negative coverage hitting the headlines vs. the new kid on the block (Obama). In fact, McCain is old news period. What is there about the man that we dont already know or have already covered?

But wait, there's more!



That was a reversal of the trend during the primaries, when the same researchers found that 64% of statements about Obama -- new to the political spotlight -- were positive, but just 43% of statements about McCain were positive.

You dont say! And that was the primary season up until Hillary conceeded. Not like it was last year or anything eh?

And LOL @ you if you think disparaging Fox News (which I dont watch by the way) hits me where it hurts. I've never ever endorsed Fox News... evar.

In fact, my favored cable media outlet is CNN-HN in the morning ( :heart: Robin Meade). I watch Channel 11 news for local coverage. And in the car I listen to NPR and sometimes Glen Beck when I'm driving while his show is airing.

So yea, Oooooh snap! No excuse necessary!

[Parkbandit]

In fact, my favored cable media outlet is CNN-HN in the morning ( :heart: Robin Meade).

I bet your wife didn't buy you a tee shirt with her on it like mine did :)


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[Daniel]

Ooooh snap. Kind of confirms what I've been saying about the media and McCain. ;)




Seriously, where exactly does it even conjecture that the limited negative coverage of McCain is because all of it is out there?

Talk about a fucking reach.

And I said what about Fox news, where? You really need to stop projecting your personal insecurities on these boards.

[Stanley Burrell]

Wait.. Daniel wanted an excuse.. I just recycled one of his. Granted, it was lame and had nothing to do with energy consumtion.. but it's still fucking funny.

Everyone can tell how funny it is.

You know what's more funny than what you find funny?

http://www.asnom.org/image/421_lepre/IB071_lepre.jpg

Leprosy.

[Gan]

I bet your wife didn't buy you a tee shirt with her on it like mine did :)


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/1072996E.gif

haha nice.

[Gan]

Seriously, where exactly does it even conjecture that the limited negative coverage of McCain is because all of it is out there?

Talk about a fucking reach.
Its simply my opinion, now backed up by your source. ;)



And I said what about Fox news, where? You really need to stop projecting your personal insecurities on these boards.
Consider it my projection based on your projection. And for once, it seems your projection IS bigger!

:lol:

[Daniel]

Thats awfully convenient.

[BriarFox]

Everyone can tell how funny it is.

You know what's more funny than what you find funny?

http://www.asnom.org/image/421_lepre/IB071_lepre.jpg

Leprosy.

Holy shit ... that poor guy.

[Faent]

>>Liberal bias? That's one explanation. Another is that everyone with half a brain recognizes that McCain is one of the most complete idiots to have ever lived near the surface of the Earth. I opt for the latter explanation. -Me

>>How's the view up there? -Richard

Great, thanks. McCain was just about the stupidest individual in his graduating class. He ranked 894th out of 899. Obama is capable of talking to members of the press cogently, and without assistance. Neither Bush nor McCain can form a coherent sentence, much less a policy position, without whispering with half a dozen aides and spokespeople. When they try, they fail miserably. Are you surprised that journalists prefer people who can speak and think for themselves?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331099249&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[Gan]

>>Liberal bias? That's one explanation. Another is that everyone with half a brain recognizes that McCain is one of the most complete idiots to have ever lived near the surface of the Earth. I opt for the latter explanation. -Me

>>How's the view up there? -Richard

Great, thanks. McCain was just about the stupidest individual in his graduating class. He ranked 894th out of 899. Obama is capable of talking to members of the press cogently, and without assistance. Neither Bush nor McCain can form a coherent sentence, much less a policy position, without whispering with half a dozen aides and spokespeople. When they try, they fail miserably. Are you surprised that journalists prefer people who can speak and think for themselves?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331099249&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

That must explain why he's been so unsuccessful as a Senator, for so long...

[Faent]

>>That must explain why he's been so unsuccessful as a Senator, for so long...

Let's not be ridiculous. You don't have to be smart to be a Senator. You seem to be making that assumption. Unfortunately, it's obviously false.

[Parkbandit]

IS MCCAIN DUMMER THEN BUSH BECAUSE BUSH R DUMMER ALOT TOO!?

[Faent]

That's all you got?

[Parkbandit]

That's all you got?

That's pretty much all is needed to respond to your stupidity. I had no idea that your class ranking decides what type of person you are in life... that it was the definitive measure, as you elude to.

What was your class ranking Faent?

[CrystalTears]

What was your class ranking Faent?
Stuck-up snot? :D

[crb]

He's a level 25 dungeon master ;p

[Parkbandit]

Stuck-up snot? :D

From what I've seen, he has very little to be stuck up about.

Just saying.

[Gan]

>>That must explain why he's been so unsuccessful as a Senator, for so long...

Let's not be ridiculous. You don't have to be smart to be a Senator. You seem to be making that assumption. Unfortunately, it's obviously false.

You're entitled to that opinion.

[Faent]

>>I had no idea that your class ranking decides what type of person you are in life... that it was the definitive measure, as you elude to. -PB

I never said or implied anything like that. Congratulations on massively failing to track the conversation. Your reading comprehension skills need improvement.

>>What was your class ranking Faent? -PB

CT wins. Other than that, I have very little idea. I doubt it was in the top 5%. It certainly was not in the bottom .1%, like McCain's. To fall in the bottom 50%, you have to be both intellectually deficient and fairly lazy. To fall in the bottom .1%, you've got to be a complete moron. No reasonably bright slacker can suck that badly.

>> He's a level 25 dungeon master ;p -CRB

When I DM, I don't also play a regular character. And none of the few campaigns I've played in have gone above level 10. Oh noes! I'm, like, so much geekier than you! Is you gon' whup my ass now?

>>From what I've seen, he has very little to be stuck up about. Just saying. -PB

This is the most you've managed to say so far. Good work.

[Parkbandit]

I have very little idea.

You should have stopped right there, since that's the most factually correct you've ever been.

But thank you for proving my point.

[crb]

CT wins. Other than that, I have very little idea. I doubt it was in the top 5%. It certainly was not in the bottom .1%, like McCain's. To fall in the bottom 50%, you have to be both intellectually deficient and fairly lazy. To fall in the bottom .1%, you've got to be a complete moron. No reasonably bright slacker can suck that badly.


Seriously? I'm not going to call McCain a genius, but calling him a moron because he wasn't a disciplined student is a little harsh.

[Parkbandit]

Seriously? I'm not going to call McCain a genius, but calling him a moron because he wasn't a disciplined student makes you a fucking retard.


Corrected for accuracy.

[Stanley Burrell]

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

[Faent]

>>Seriously? I'm not going to call McCain a genius, but calling him a moron because he wasn't a disciplined student is a little harsh. -CRB

The bottom .1% is well beyond not being disciplined. While it includes that much, you *also* have to be really fucking (intellectually) pathetic to do that poorly. This is a fact. Anyone who tries to dispute this fact needs to have their head examined.

PB, I suspect this discussion annoys you because you were also lazy and of nothing better than average intelligence. (I'm being generous here. An alternative is that you are as bad off, mentally, as McCain. If so, then I understand why you're pissed. I'd have effectively called you a complete moron. But of course, in that case, it'd be true.) Does it hurt for you to think about that? Aww, you poor baby...

[Apathy]

I think this thread is hopping on the awesome train.

By the way, of course Obama gets more attention. McCain is as interesting and captivating as a pair of gym socks.

[Keller]

PB used to manage a hotel in Florida. Let's not rush to judgment.






El oh el oh el.

Ps - I am drunk.

[Parkbandit]

>>Seriously? I'm not going to call McCain a genius, but calling him a moron because he wasn't a disciplined student is a little harsh. -CRB

The bottom .1% is well beyond not being disciplined. While it includes that much, you *also* have to be really fucking (intellectually) pathetic to do that poorly. This is a fact. Anyone who tries to dispute this fact needs to have their head examined.

PB, I suspect this discussion annoys you because you were also lazy and of nothing better than average intelligence. (I'm being generous here. An alternative is that you are as bad off, mentally, as McCain. If so, then I understand why you're pissed. I'd have effectively called you a complete moron. But of course, in that case, it'd be true.) Does it hurt for you to think about that? Aww, you poor baby...

I'm not annoyed.. I enjoy laughing at you being a retard.

Btw: I was ranked 7th out of 240 in my class. Does this make me qualified enough to be President in your twisted, tiny mind?

[Faent]

>>Btw: I was ranked 7th out of 240 in my class. Does this make me qualified enough to be President in your twisted, tiny mind? -PB

Of course not, you moron. Why would you think so? (Answer: Only if you're an idiot.) Obviously, before I could even begin to pass judgment on that proposition on the basis of your class rank, I'd need to know more about what graduating class you were a member of. Cal. State Technical University? Western Oklahoma High School? Washed in the Blood Redemption Center Montessori School? (I'll place my bet on something like the latter.)

[Parkbandit]

>>Btw: I was ranked 7th out of 240 in my class. Does this make me qualified enough to be President in your twisted, tiny mind? -PB

Of course not, you moron. Why would you think so? (Answer: Only if you're an idiot.) Obviously, before I could even begin to pass judgment on that proposition on the basis of your class rank, I'd need to know more about what graduating class you were a member of. Cal. State Technical University? Western Oklahoma High School? Washed in the Blood Redemption Center Montessori School? (I'll place my bet on something like the latter.)

Dude.. you are the one that made the connection of graduating class ranking and ability to be President, so when you are calling someone a moron, I do hope you are looking into a mirror. That way, everyone is on the same page.

And seriously.. how hard is it to use the quote feature on this message board. Newsflash Einstein.. << and >> don't work.

[crb]

>>Seriously? I'm not going to call McCain a genius, but calling him a moron because he wasn't a disciplined student is a little harsh. -CRB

The bottom .1% is well beyond not being disciplined. While it includes that much, you *also* have to be really fucking (intellectually) pathetic to do that poorly. This is a fact. Anyone who tries to dispute this fact needs to have their head examined.

PB, I suspect this discussion annoys you because you were also lazy and of nothing better than average intelligence. (I'm being generous here. An alternative is that you are as bad off, mentally, as McCain. If so, then I understand why you're pissed. I'd have effectively called you a complete moron. But of course, in that case, it'd be true.) Does it hurt for you to think about that? Aww, you poor baby...
You know, McCain's father didn't do much better, he was also ranked at the bottom of his class, and he ended up on his merits to command the largest military command in the world, the US Navy's entire pacific operations.

I'm going to throw out an analogy.....

Lets say a medical school has 100 students. Obviously, someone has to be at the bottom of the class. Is that person a flaming retard?

Sure, Annapolis is no medical school, but it isn't exactly bottom rung, its very competitive and exclusive.

Furthermore, McCain had a disadvantage growing up, the base schools he kept getting moved to were often poor, and he moved frequently following his father like other military brats.

I suppose though that we should just pick our president based on something like SAT scores?

[Gan]

>>I had no idea that your class ranking decides what type of person you are in life... that it was the definitive measure, as you elude to. -PB

I never said or implied anything like that. Congratulations on massively failing to track the conversation. Your reading comprehension skills need improvement.

>>What was your class ranking Faent? -PB

CT wins. Other than that, I have very little idea. I doubt it was in the top 5%. It certainly was not in the bottom .1%, like McCain's. To fall in the bottom 50%, you have to be both intellectually deficient and fairly lazy. To fall in the bottom .1%, you've got to be a complete moron. No reasonably bright slacker can suck that badly.

>> He's a level 25 dungeon master ;p -CRB

When I DM, I don't also play a regular character. And none of the few campaigns I've played in have gone above level 10. Oh noes! I'm, like, so much geekier than you! Is you gon' whup my ass now?

>>From what I've seen, he has very little to be stuck up about. Just saying. -PB

This is the most you've managed to say so far. Good work.


>>Btw: I was ranked 7th out of 240 in my class. Does this make me qualified enough to be President in your twisted, tiny mind? -PB

Of course not, you moron. Why would you think so? (Answer: Only if you're an idiot.) Obviously, before I could even begin to pass judgment on that proposition on the basis of your class rank, I'd need to know more about what graduating class you were a member of. Cal. State Technical University? Western Oklahoma High School? Washed in the Blood Redemption Center Montessori School? (I'll place my bet on something like the latter.)

So by your logic, how would you rank the US Naval Academy in the overall scheme of colleges?

[Faent]

Dude.. you are the one that made the connection of graduating class ranking and ability to be President, so when you are calling someone a moron, I do hope you are looking into a mirror. -PB

You really need to start trying to use your brain before you post. I'll keep this basic for you. Here's what I said:

(F): If your class rank is poor, then you aren't an acceptable Presidential candidate.

But you attributed this to me:

(P): If your class rank is high, then you are an acceptable Presidential candidate.

Of course, (F) is not equivalent to (P). It does not entail (P), nor does it even imply (P). Put differently, the truth of (F) is consistent with the falsity of (P).

Confusing "If P, then Q" with "If not-P, then not-Q" is an incredibly basic logical mistake. The latter is equivalent to "If Q, then P", not vice-versa. You are continuing to demonstrate that you can't read with any kind of comprehension whatsoever.

This makes you the moron, PB.


Furthermore, McCain had a disadvantage growing up, the base schools he kept getting moved to were often poor, and he moved frequently following his father like other military brats. -CRB

Recent studies are tending, with more and more frequency, to suggest that family life and and environment has very little effect on general intelligence. And general intelligence (IQ) is very highly correlated with SAT/ACT scores. And to answer your question, requiring an IQ test for public office would probably be an excellent idea.


So by your logic, how would you rank the US Naval Academy in the overall scheme of colleges? -Gan

In terms of prestige? Fairly high. In terms of admission requirements? Slightly better than most state schools. A quick search yields what looks to be an average ACT score of 26, which puts the average admitted student in the 86th percentile. This is, of course, still not very impressive. They also accept people with pretty abysmal high school GPAs (under 3.0 is abysmal). And let's be serious. The academic standards at the Naval Academy are not all that rigorous. This isn't a place you go to learn about ideas and how to think well.

[RichardCranium]

You really need to start trying to use your brain before you post. I'll keep this basic for you. Here's what I said:

(F): If your class rank is poor, then you aren't an acceptable Presidential candidate.

But you attributed this to me:

(P): If your class rank is high, then you are an acceptable Presidential candidate.

Of course, (F) is not equivalent to (P). It does not entail (P), nor does it even imply (P). Put differently, the truth of (F) is consistent with the falsity of (P).

Confusing "If P, then Q" with "If not-P, then not-Q" is an incredibly basic logical mistake. The latter is equivalent to "If Q, then P", not vice-versa. You are continuing to demonstrate that you can't read with any kind of comprehension whatsoever.

This makes you the moron, PB.



Recent studies are tending, with more and more frequency, to suggest that family life and and environment has very little effect on general intelligence. And general intelligence (IQ) is very highly correlated with SAT/ACT scores. And to answer your question, requiring an IQ test for public office would probably be an excellent idea.



In terms of prestige? Fairly high. In terms of admission requirements? Slightly better than most state schools. A quick search yields what looks to be an average ACT score of 26, which puts the average admitted student in the 86th percentile. This is, of course, still not very impressive. They also accept people with pretty abysmal high school GPAs (under 3.0 is abysmal). And let's be serious. The academic standards at the Naval Academy are not all that rigorous. This isn't a place you go to learn about ideas and how to think well.

Your (e)peen is magnificent.

[Parkbandit]

You really need to start trying to use your brain before you post. I'll keep this basic for you. Here's what I said:

(F): If your class rank is poor, then you aren't an acceptable Presidential candidate.

But you attributed this to me:

(P): If your class rank is high, then you are an acceptable Presidential candidate.

Of course, (F) is not equivalent to (P). It does not entail (P), nor does it even imply (P). Put differently, the truth of (F) is consistent with the falsity of (P).

Confusing "If P, then Q" with "If not-P, then not-Q" is an incredibly basic logical mistake. The latter is equivalent to "If Q, then P", not vice-versa. You are continuing to demonstrate that you can't read with any kind of comprehension whatsoever.

This makes you the moron, PB.



Recent studies are tending, with more and more frequency, to suggest that family life and and environment has very little effect on general intelligence. And general intelligence (IQ) is very highly correlated with SAT/ACT scores. And to answer your question, requiring an IQ test for public office would probably be an excellent idea.



In terms of prestige? Fairly high. In terms of admission requirements? Slightly better than most state schools. A quick search yields what looks to be an average ACT score of 26, which puts the average admitted student in the 86th percentile. This is, of course, still not very impressive. They also accept people with pretty abysmal high school GPAs (under 3.0 is abysmal). And let's be serious. The academic standards at the Naval Academy are not all that rigorous. This isn't a place you go to learn about ideas and how to think well.

At the VERY least, you can now properly use the quoting on this message board. Baby steps I guess, but still impressive. Only took you 4 years.

And let's be honest.. your initial post of if you do badly in school, you are unqualified to be President trumps anything I've ever posted in the moron department. Here's a list of 'bad' students that went on to do something useful:

Alexander Graham Bell

Beethoven

Andrew Carnegie

Winston Churchill

Leonardo de Vinci

Walt Disney

Thomas Edison

Dwight D Eisenhower (AND HOLY SHIT HE WUZ PRESIDENT!!!)

Henry Ford

Benjamin Franklin

William Randolf Hearst

Earnest Hemmingway

Abraham Lincoln

Napolean Bonaparte

Sir Isaac Newton

Louis Pasteur

Nelson Rockefeller

George Bernard Shaw


I guess you could say that Lincoln and Eisenhower were unfit to be Presidents.. but it would be considered right in step with your initial post.. pretty much retarded.

[Faent]

My guess is you googled for a list of famous people alleged to have had ADHD. For the record, Churchill graduated from the Royal Military Academy in the top 10% of his class. I'm not going to continue this discussion, since you've admirably demonstrated that you're not thoughtful enough to have it.

[Parkbandit]

My guess is you googled for a list of famous people alleged to have had ADHD. For the record, Churchill graduated from the Royal Military Academy in the top 10% of his class. I'm not going to continue this discussion, since you've admirably demonstrated that I'm a raging douchebag.

Corrected for accuracy:

Churchill was a very poor student who routinely got into trouble due to his poor grades.

Sorry chump.

[crb]

You never answered my point about McCain's dad... he did as bad as his son at the Naval Academy and rose on his merits to the largest military command in the world. He had a very distinguished career, was very accomplished, and apparently performed his job well else he would not have been promoted as he had been.

I suppose you'll say something like "You don't have to be smart to be an admiral."

[Apathy]

Being able to memorize a textbook and regurgitate some answer is not the same as recognizing and solving a problem.

[Faent]

Here's more. McCain is either a stupid fucking liar or he has serious memory loss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AjO-IxfMY&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/02/mccain-lies-about-his-support-for-mlk-jr-day-in-arizona/

Either way, he's fucking dumb.

[Faent]

From his new ad, you can gauge his audience. Stupid Americans who can't read and don't follow politics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZKxWrPQFXc

Let's excerpt some quotes from the transcript of Obama's speech:


(1) Not only have walls come down in Berlin, but they have come down in Belfast, where Protestant and Catholic found a way to live together; in the Balkans, where our Atlantic alliance ended wars and brought savage war criminals to justice; and in South Africa, where the struggle of a courageous people defeated apartheid.


(2) This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali;


(3) This is the moment when we must renew our resolve to rout the terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan ...

If you're for this guy, you've got to be braindead.