Scam beware!

[Brielus]

Just a warning incase its tried again, Landyago in the landing auctioned off a pack supposedly containing a 7x weapon and it was a bum deal, nothing over 4x. lesson learned on my part to have things sung to first but eh... just a heads up for everyone. Landyago = sadbrielus.

[diethx]

Doesn't he post here as landy?

[Brielus]

dunno but i reported it just ta make the gm's aware as well. If its not landy im kinda debatin on given em a chance to see if he just forgot to put it in there (unlikely) as i said lesson learned

[AestheticDeath]

If he actually lied you should be able to get the GMs to reverse the deal shouldn't you?

[AestheticDeath]

I know Landyago is for sale right now. And he was bought not too long ago.

I don't recall who it was that bought him though.

[Brielus]

I tried but they said they have a buyer beware policy.

[landy]

I sold him about a week ago. This makes me cry a little inside.

[Danical]

I tried but they said they have a buyer beware policy.

Weak.

[Brielus]

and who did you sell them to so i can poison thier children and pets...

[diethx]

And i'm willing to bet that if he killed Landyago for lying to him, he'd get pulled and warned. Especially if Andraste or Emeradan are watching. Dumb cows.

[Brielus]

Ive spoke with the *new* owner of the character and I may be gettin my coin back. Spoke with the gm some more and now they seem fairly interested in the incident. Dunno if they gonna smoosh em or not, i jes wants my ends back.

[Danical]

Get your jink back and cockpunch him.

[Miscast]

Johnny Cage wins...Fatality

[Sile]

This disturbed me, and I have gotten tied up in the matter.

I purchased the character as an alt roughly 4 days ago from landy for ingame silvers. I didn't enjoy the build and sold him off to another character for a lesser amount then I paid. Then today this mess happens.

Anyone that knows me knows I'm an honest individual and have always been, Sile's an extention of my self, as some people can attest that its almost like having a child. I've given the victim the buyer's email and aim.

I've even offered to help recoup the loss if things don't get resolved as I feel partially responsible.

My name wasn't mentioned here yet, but it was on the amunet and thats where it hurt.

I'm watching intently to see how this plays out.

Player of Sile

[diethx]

This disturbed me, and I have gotten tied up in the matter.

I purchased the character as an alt roughly 4 days ago from landy for ingame silvers. I didn't enjoy the build and sold him off to another character for a lesser amount then I paid. Then today this mess happens.

Anyone that knows me knows I'm an honest individual and have always been, Sile's an extention of my self, as some people can attest that its almost like having a child. I've given the victim the buyer's email and aim.

I've even offered to help recoup the loss if things don't get resolved as I feel partially responsible.

My name wasn't mentioned here yet, but it was on the amunet and thats where it hurt.

I'm watching intently to see how this plays out.

Player of Sile

If you sold him before this happened, why is someone involving you?

[Sile]

I purchased the character from Landy. That is who Brielus contacted when he was trying to get this sorted out, Landy informed him I purchased the character.

So Brielus aka caedith come's to me looking for info and shouts on the amunet that I am in cahoots with Landyago. So now I'm tied into it. I'm just waiting now to see if he gets his cash back or not.

I did have a good chat with Caedith/Brielus about it, gave him whatever info I could to try to resolve this, he did shout back on the amunet that he was mistaken but I still feel stuck untill its cleared up.


Player of Sile

[Sylph]

Just a warning incase its tried again, Landyago in the landing auctioned off a pack supposedly containing a 7x weapon and it was a bum deal, nothing over 4x. lesson learned on my part to have things sung to first but eh... just a heads up for everyone. Landyago = sadbrielus.

To be fair, buying a Mystery pack means you deserve to be ripped off.

[The Ponzzz]

To be fair, buying a Mystery pack means you deserve to be ripped off.

Not exactly. It was mystery in the fact that he didn't know the items, but if properties are given, they should be that. Basically, no one gets a free ride to Tsin or Zimzum you.

[Sylph]

Not exactly. It was mystery in the fact that he didn't know the items, but if properties are given, they should be that. Basically, no one gets a free ride to Tsin or Zimzum you.

Well fair enough on the whole properties are given... but let's be honest there is no confirmation on anything.

The whole 'mystery' pack thing, to me, seems a way to flog a bunch of shit that isn't wanted or can't otherwise be sold.

Sure, there COULD be a lazy person who makes it worth your while and whatnot...

[The Ponzzz]

Well, the issue is, mysteries packs were never that. They only became that, I'd say since GS4 launched. Back before playershops, back before auction posts on the forums, back before 110 item spaces per locker per town... People just wanted to sell off too much of their stuff all in one shot.

It only became a way of selling off junk because people started realizing it was a buyer beware policy. I actually pulled away with FGB and a silver-hilted vultite falchion in a mystery pack long ago. Good effing times.

[Sylph]

It only became a way of selling off junk because people started realizing it was a buyer beware policy. I actually pulled away with FGB and a silver-hilted vultite falchion in a mystery pack long ago. Good effing times.

Good pull, that.

[Brielus]

The guy even stood there and told me there was a 7x weapon in the bag. I about lost my mind on sile because i find out that he had purchased landyago and during the bidding sile himself was bidding on the pack and those two tidbits together seemed srsly fishy. However sile has been extremely helpfull and I do appreciate his help.

[Stanley Burrell]

I like Dapper Dan, Zombie Apostles and Bitches Love Smilie Faces. This thread is full of win.

[NocturnalRob]

I like Dapper Dan, Zombie Apostles and Bitches Love Smilie Faces. This thread is full of win.

then I'll add some boobs to really class it up

[RichardCranium]

lol brielus

[crazymage]

then I'll add some boobs to really class it up

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs11/300W/i/2006/177/f/3/Huge_boobs_1_by_LPARK435.jpg

[Allereli]

holy tits, batman!

[NocturnalRob]

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs11/300W/i/2006/177/f/3/Huge_boobs_1_by_LPARK435.jpg

that is foul. you are fired.

[Doughboy]

Thats about the best looking I've ever seen a Firefox logo, Rob.

[Hips]

Thats about the best looking I've ever seen a Firefox logo, Rob.

......I didn't even realize that's what it was. :O

[smokey80]

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[Stanley Burrell]

You say, "I figured what i was doign was in character, but am willing to obide by gemstone policy."

Strong Bad would murder you.

[Some Rogue]

Going to Iraq, account closing, sold it for $40....

I SMELL BULLSHIT.

[Solkern]

like his earrings he sold?

[Allereli]

OMG Smokey80 strikes again!

So you're the one who bought Landyago

[Solkern]

wait he's going to iraq?

I thought he sold his earrings for 300 cause he's a poor college student...

now he's a poor college student, heading to iraq, with 340 dollars?


pathological liar?

[g++]

OMG Smokey80 strikes again!

So you're the one who bought Landyago

Yah someone should definately point out to a GM this guy bought a character with a good reputation specifically to rip people off. That could be interpretted as mechanics abuse/disruptive behavior and possibly get this asshole banned.

[Some Rogue]

Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/45hp9kj5.jpg

[Brielus]

heh sadflakes was gonna try and make a small profit of selling the theoretical nice stuff in the pack to help pay for the flowers for my wedding. I hope he finds a toepopper. mourneblooms are spensive, and Do you have any idea how much a halfling flowergirl costs!

[smokey80]

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[smokey80]

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[g++]

I sold him about a week ago. This makes me cry a little inside.

If he sold the account a week ago and someone re-activated it, I dont think it is even possible that you would be unable to log in for billing issues today.

[Brielus]

wtf am I going to do with a character that has a bad name, and I have to pay to have it reactivated?

[Brielus]

This does not make me lol.

[g++]

You should definately go after this guy Brielus, I dont believe for a second hes going anywhere and if the GM's knew he was ripping off committed players so he could sell the silvers for RL cash using bought characters it would strain imagination that they wouldnt erradicate all this guys accounts.

Write feedback.

[waywardgs]

To be fair, buying a Mystery pack means you deserve to be ripped off.


Why? That's bullshit. The guy said "one 7x weapon". That's just the same as if I was selling a weapon I claimed to be 7x outright but lying about it. Who cares whether it was in a backpack or not, it's still a scam.

[Brielus]

wilco, and ive reported this to the gms as well.

[Allereli]

Or go after Sile for the money, it was his account.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/vankrasn/tard.gif

[SHAFT]

Fuck slitting his throat, cut that bitch's head off!

[The Ponzzz]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2662955

[waywardgs]

All I can say is... wow.

I hope Iraq teaches this asshole a thing or two about life.

With this type of personality, the rest of the military with chew him up and spit him out. They won't put up with it.

Not that I actually believe he's going.

Eh. Maybe he'll fall down a well.

[Tolwynn]

I doubt writing feedback would help much, if at all, since policy falls on the side of the scammers in any case like this. The sad thing is, if you try to take it out on whomever in game, you'll probably get pulled/flagged for that as well.

CvC bad, scamming good, it's an odd pairing to pin policy on.

[g++]

...dude he bought this character 5 days ago specifically to scam people in an attempt to make a RL profit off our player base....if you dont see the difference your blind. The people at feedback are allowed to take a whats good for the product as a whole stance on things and WILL read this thread.

[Mtenda]

Scamming like this for roleplay is complete bullshit. It's just bad for the game as a whole.

[Brielus]

Gamehoste nithic has been very helpfull and very understanding as well as GM Izzea. Im very pleased with the customer service so far.

[The Ponzzz]

I'll donate a mil back to you, you LAWLFEST Brielus you.

[Sile]

Very nice of you Ponzzz, can that guy get banned off this site?

I just joined in on the convo with Nithic, and gave as much info as I could, Even at my own risk, though I do feel honesty is the best policy.

Hopefully this all gets sorted. I've already offered some of my own cash to help lessen the sting.

I did own the account for 2 days, then I sold it to {edited out email as it was a violation of TOS}
Sile

[ViridianAsp]

What a lousy thing to do, then to pin it on Sile, "It was his account.". What are you, ten? You bought it, therefore you are responsible for it, you are also an asshole.

And yes, can we ban this guy from the boards?

[Sean]

I understand this guy is a douche bag but isn't it a bad precedent to start posting people's email addresses if you don't like them? I'm no longer an enforcer of the ToS so it's really Kranar's call but I'd say it falls under posting content that is invasive of someone's privacy if they didn't make it readily available.


Originally Posted by ToS
(d) upload, post, hyperlink, or otherwise transmit Content that is invasive of one's privacy, libelous, obscene, personally threatening, tortuous, or ethnically, racially, or sexually objectionable.

[g++]

No one said much when they posted zimzums email in the last scam thread

[Sean]

I didn't notice it but I'd say it was equally as bad if it happened.

[Danical]

I agree with Sean. While this guy needs like 10 healthy cockpunches, we still have to play by the rules - so to speak.

[diethx]

Or go after Sile for the money, it was his account.

It quit being his account the minute he sold it to you, dumbfuck.

And yeah, this dude's story is complete and utter bullshit. Pretty pathetic that you'd make up a story about going to Iraq just so you can appear like less of a douchebag that you so clearly are.

[The Ponzzz]

Is that the email for the paypal? (edit)

[Danical]

I wonder if Smokey80 really did sell those earrings to someone and scammed them . . . I'm fairly certain the earrings were fakes.

[The Ponzzz]

The earrings level requirements did not fit the system's way to make them, unless of course it can generate different values for higher numbers. I would bet my my bottle of Captain Morgan's Spiced Rum on it...

[Sean of the Thread]

I understand this guy is a douche bag but isn't it a bad precedent to start posting people's email addresses if you don't like them? I'm no longer an enforcer of the ToS so it's really Kranar's call but I'd say it falls under posting content that is invasive of someone's privacy if they didn't make it readily available.

It looks like a shitty hotmail account that he made just for this shit anyways.

[Sile]

I went an edited out the email, don't want to violate the TOS here.

Still its not a fun situation to be in.

[GS4Ranger]

If you want to get someone back, setup an x-mailer program through a proxy with randomly generated IPs and text, throw in some DNS masking and spoofing. The proxy will reduce outside trailing and fool IP and DNS detection, although other forms of detection could catch it.

This is not a nice thing to do however, but the mass bombs of viagra and nigeria money scams would be funny, or just pornography. Most massive e-mail hosts nowadays have a maximum limit of the amount of e-mail you can receive within a specified amount of time before they start generating NDRs to the sender. You could also use the e-mail address to sign him up for newsletters or what not.

Course to really cripple someone, you would need another method altogether, since e-mail addresses are destroyed and created on a daily basis to bypass this form of attack, of course it doesn't take long for an e-mail harvester to find you again.

[TheWitch]

This is really crappy, there's no argument from me there.

To bilk the guy, fully knowing you're leaving the game so he'll have no opportunity to do anything about - is crap.

Having said that.

It is buyer beware. It's stated in policy. If someone claims a weapon is 7x, and you make no effort to confirm that before trading the silvers for the weapon, tough. Call it a learning experience.

The thing is, we ask the GM's to stick their noses in on stuff, but then get pissed when they stick their noses in on stuff?

If you're on the receiving end of unwanted CvC/PvP, and the GM sticks their nose in, you're happy. (you're generalized, no one in specific being addressed here).

If you're on the dishing out end of unwanted CvC/PvP, and the GM sticks their nose in, you're not so happy.

This was potentially a conflict situation, and in this case the guy was clearly looking to rip someone off. Theft is consent to conflict.

Now, the guy's account closing literally minutes later - again, that's crap.

In the vast majority of cases, I really can't see justification for expecting GM's to have your back on this. It becomes your word against theirs too fast. Do we really want GM's involved in all the petty squabbles of the game? Do we really want them using that catch-all policy, "abusive and disruptive" free and loose to define just about anything? Remember, now, there are GM's bound by the same policy that LOVE to jump in.....

[Stanley Burrell]

Fuck slitting his throat, cut that bitch's head off!

Wait. What if there's an explanation for this shit?

[GS4Ranger]

Wait. What if there's an explanation for this shit?

He indicated that he had no morales, values, or any remorse for whatever he did or harm he caused in the conversation with the GH and GM. In my opinion, screw the explanation.

[g++]

This is really crappy, there's no argument from me there.

To bilk the guy, fully knowing you're leaving the game so he'll have no opportunity to do anything about - is crap.

Having said that.

It is buyer beware. It's stated in policy. If someone claims a weapon is 7x, and you make no effort to confirm that before trading the silvers for the weapon, tough. Call it a learning experience.

The thing is, we ask the GM's to stick their noses in on stuff, but then get pissed when they stick their noses in on stuff?

If you're on the receiving end of unwanted CvC/PvP, and the GM sticks their nose in, you're happy. (you're generalized, no one in specific being addressed here).

If you're on the dishing out end of unwanted CvC/PvP, and the GM sticks their nose in, you're not so happy.

This was potentially a conflict situation, and in this case the guy was clearly looking to rip someone off. Theft is consent to conflict.

Now, the guy's account closing literally minutes later - again, that's crap.

In the vast majority of cases, I really can't see justification for expecting GM's to have your back on this. It becomes your word against theirs too fast. Do we really want GM's involved in all the petty squabbles of the game? Do we really want them using that catch-all policy, "abusive and disruptive" free and loose to define just about anything? Remember, now, there are GM's bound by the same policy that LOVE to jump in.....

Thats just stupid so I can buy some 60th level character your best friends with for 300 bucks rip you and the rest of their friends off for as much silver as possible using the good name still left after an anon sale sell the silver and re-sell the account and give a middle finger to the whole game. People would stop trusting anyone and the game would get even gayer to play while scam artists make money. We pay for this game to be in a certain type of enviornment this clearly isnt the intended enviornment and the GM's should fix it.

[Tolwynn]

Hopefully they actually do something about it, or it could just become the tip of the iceberg.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Hammertime!
Wait. What if there's an explanation for this shit?

What? Brielus tripped? Fell? Landed on his dick?

[Lord Orbstar]

Well, I am a captain in the army and part of my battalion is going to Iraq. I have deployed 3 times and know internet is everywhere. Closing your account for deployment? you are full of shit.

I hope to God a thieving piece of shit like you is not in my unit. I dont think I wish death on you, because that might mean other good soldiers are caught in the same blast. Let's just say I wish a wasting, non-communicable disease on you or a permanently disfiguring bite from a Camel Spider to your neck.

Thieves are the lowest form of life, and you are one of them. If you steal a car stereo, a video game line of text, or anything else it still is a mirror into your bankrupt soul. Honestly, your loss would be the worlds gain.

Your parents probably think you are hero for being in the military. I know better.

[Lord Orbstar]

I used to own Kranar (the character, not the owner since that would be slavery). Since I used to be Kranar, maybe I can say it would not violate the ToS to post his email.



Course..I could be wrong too.

[AestheticDeath]

If he sold the account a week ago and someone re-activated it, I dont think it is even possible that you would be unable to log in for billing issues today.

It is possible.

[g++]

It is possible.

If you pay by the month and re-active an account on the 10th shouldent it stay open till the tenth of next month?

[Stanley Burrell]

Fuck slitting his throat, cut that bitch's head off!


Wait. What if there's an explanation for this shit?


What? Brielus tripped? Fell? Landed on his dick?

SEAN: YOU ARE WIN.

[AestheticDeath]

If you pay by the month and re-active an account on the 10th shouldent it stay open till the tenth of next month?

Well I am assuming that you are assuming he 're-activated' the account.

It is entirely possible to take control of an account without paying anything for it.

If landy paid the account up to the 17th of this month, neither Sile nor smokey would have had to shell out a dime to keep the account open.

And if landy did not take his billing info off the account, and neither Sile nor smokey updated it... landy could wind up paying for smokeys game time.

But I assume landy took the billing off.

[landy]

Well I am assuming that you are assuming he 're-activated' the account.

It is entirely possible to take control of an account without paying anything for it.

If landy paid the account up to the 17th of this month, neither Sile nor smokey would have had to shell out a dime to keep the account open.

And if landy did not take his billing info off the account, and neither Sile nor smokey updated it... landy could wind up paying for smokeys game time.

But I assume landy took the billing off.

Uhhhh... <rushes to check his CC transactions>

[TheWitch]

Thats just stupid so I can buy some 60th level character your best friends with for 300 bucks rip you and the rest of their friends off for as much silver as possible using the good name still left after an anon sale sell the silver and re-sell the account and give a middle finger to the whole game. People would stop trusting anyone and the game would get even gayer to play while scam artists make money. We pay for this game to be in a certain type of enviornment this clearly isnt the intended enviornment and the GM's should fix it.

It isn't the intended environment that people buy and sell characters, items and silver for cash either. It isn't the intended environment in a multi-player game when one player has six bots live and strip-mines hunting areas, selling the proceeds for cash, either.

But there you have it. This kind of thing is the consequence of that.

How should they fix it? The GM in this situation should have made the guy return the 7M? Really, is that what you want? Because that's a really slippery slope. At the bottom of which is expecting a GM to step in on a poached critter. After all, that critter might have been carrying the next Sorrow.

[landy]

It isn't the intended environment that people buy and sell characters, items and silver for cash either. It isn't the intended environment in a multi-player game when one player has six bots live and strip-mines hunting areas, selling the proceeds for cash, either.

But there you have it. This kind of thing is the consequence of that.

How should they fix it? The GM in this situation should have made the guy return the 7M? Really, is that what you want? Because that's a really slippery slope. At the bottom of which is expecting a GM to step in on a poached critter. After all, that critter might have been carrying the next Sorrow.

I have to disagree, this isn't a black and white situation. There is no slippery slope here, no point of no return, just a fluffy and comfortable grey area. There are people who have less time to invest in gaming, and view a monetary investment in their off-time enjoyment as an acceptable practice. I've been on both sides of this coin, having played a purchased character and having sold one I leveled myself, and of course there will never be an environment where absolute black and white justice exists. In this situation someone had a bad experience, but for every bad experience there are 10 other people who buy or sell and are perfectly content with it.

[TheWitch]

I have to disagree, this isn't a black and white situation. There is no slippery slope here, no point of no return, just a fluffy and comfortable grey area. There are people who have less time to invest in gaming, and view a monetary investment in their off-time enjoyment as an acceptable practice. I've been on both sides of this coin, having played a purchased character and having sold one I leveled myself, and of course there will never be an environment where absolute black and white justice exists. In this situation someone had a bad experience, but for every bad experience there are 10 other people who buy or sell and are perfectly content with it.

I didn't say it was black and white, and easily solved. I understand people do things for a variety of different reasons, and most of those transactions end well for all concerned.

However, the ability and practice of buying and selling outside the game opens doors to scam artists, just like this one. Please understand, I find what he did reprehensible and I am not defending it. But there will always be people like this, that will take advantage of any situation they see to make a buck or get over in some way.

More to the point, g++ doesn't think that the intended environment is one of distrust, and the GM's should fix that by forcing the return of goods/silvers obtained in a nefarious manner.

My point is, buying and selling outside the game isn't intended either, and if that were somehow prevented, so could this kind of scam potentially be prevented. I'm not suggesting it should (or even could) be prevented, just pointing out that in this particular case, it was clearly part of the problem.

GM's can't control the outside buying and selling, I think it's unfair and frankly, unrealistic, for them to be expected to control the consequences, on the (possibly rare) occasion those consequences are negative.

As to the slippery slope, what I was referring to was GM interference. People don't seem to like it, in most cases. In this case, it was requested. Again, to control a situation that by policy, is not a violation - dishonest merchant practices being engaged in by someone who was manipulating the "outside" market for all it was worth.

[SHAFT]

SEAN: YOU ARE WIN.

Sean screwed up the quote actually. He forgot the word tripped. So Sean failed, but I like the attempt!

But like a bitch with no ass you ain't got shit.

[Brielus]

The GM'S have been made aware of both my incident and the earrings ploy, and they seem seriously displeased about the situation. Again I tip my hat to gamehost nithic and gm izzea for thier help. I would like my coin back as I am fairly poor by ingame standards and I dont like to buy or sell coin and or items for cash, and a good many people have offerd to donate coin to help recoupe the loss and I must refuse. Thanks for the pats on the shoulder to all of ya. On closing its just a 7m coin lesson to not buy from anyone i dont know, and also have an FBI agent along with several gentleman wearing black fatigues holdin MP5's standing watch over the transaction. Sometimes its a nut tap, other times its a cockpunch.

[Sean]

Sean screwed up the quote actually. He forgot the word tripped. So Sean failed, but I like the attempt!

But like a bitch with no ass you ain't got shit.

I didn't miss the word to tripped.. you failed at reading ;)

[Lord Orbstar]

I still wish death on him. Theives and scam artists truly do not belong breathing my air. Perhaps he will try to smuggle something on the black market over there and he will have his hands cut off. that is a comforting thought!

Although, likely, he is not in the army at all and is a liar with a small penis. that curves. Down.

[Brielus]

you made LoLBrielus curves. down.

[g++]

I didn't say it was black and white, and easily solved. I understand people do things for a variety of different reasons, and most of those transactions end well for all concerned.

However, the ability and practice of buying and selling outside the game opens doors to scam artists, just like this one. Please understand, I find what he did reprehensible and I am not defending it. But there will always be people like this, that will take advantage of any situation they see to make a buck or get over in some way.

More to the point, g++ doesn't think that the intended environment is one of distrust, and the GM's should fix that by forcing the return of goods/silvers obtained in a nefarious manner.

My point is, buying and selling outside the game isn't intended either, and if that were somehow prevented, so could this kind of scam potentially be prevented. I'm not suggesting it should (or even could) be prevented, just pointing out that in this particular case, it was clearly part of the problem.

GM's can't control the outside buying and selling, I think it's unfair and frankly, unrealistic, for them to be expected to control the consequences, on the (possibly rare) occasion those consequences are negative.

As to the slippery slope, what I was referring to was GM interference. People don't seem to like it, in most cases. In this case, it was requested. Again, to control a situation that by policy, is not a violation - dishonest merchant practices being engaged in by someone who was manipulating the "outside" market for all it was worth.

Its a game with like 5000 regular players not the republic of china. They can afford to deal with specific instances of outright fraud like this without giving their obligatory "this is our policy" horseshit they have no policy see next paragraph.

You seem to like quoting their policy. Since their policy is all encompassing its basically worthless to quote it. For instance the high maintenance character policy says that "Any act that is deemed disruptive" is against policy. Any act can be deemed disruptive its purely a matter of perception therefore any act can be against policy at the discretion of the GM and this one should fall into that category. The fact that any act can be deemed against policy essentially makes the wording or content of the policy itself void. There is no reason to memorize the sections or quote them none of it matters because anything is against policy at the discretion of the GM.

The idea that they will then suddenly be obligated to deal with every argument over a 3x falchion is absurd. They break their own policy day in and day out. David Whatley himself has made shady ass back door deals with people to return their access in order to keep the community happy I dont think its too much to ask that they right one egregious wrong. If the next day Brielus gets ripped off by Hobbit McFucks alot the halfling warrior Ill be fine with it. What really irks me about this is I would have trusted Landy too because I see him post here and have seen him around the game. I don't want to see people losing shit to assholes making a fast buck using obvious mechanic abuse.....its horseshit

[g++]

Well I am assuming that you are assuming he 're-activated' the account.

It is entirely possible to take control of an account without paying anything for it.

If landy paid the account up to the 17th of this month, neither Sile nor smokey would have had to shell out a dime to keep the account open.

And if landy did not take his billing info off the account, and neither Sile nor smokey updated it... landy could wind up paying for smokeys game time.

But I assume landy took the billing off.


I thought Landy posted in his sale thread that the account closed if I am mistaken apologies, if I am not it seems to me that account should still be open.

[landy]

I thought Landy posted in his sale thread that the account closed if I am mistaken apologies, if I am not it seems to me that account should still be open.

It was closed.

[Snapp]

I'm watching intently to see how this plays out.

Player of Sile

Hmm. I bet you are.

You know mods here can see your IP, right?

[g++]

Hmm. I bet you are.

You know mods here can see your IP, right?

So Sile = Smoky then? Nice

[waywardgs]

So Sile = Smoky then? Nice


Are you friggin' serious?

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

*whistles for the firing squad*

[Solkern]

Oh this just got goood

[The Ponzzz]

wow

[diethx]

:popcorn2:

[The Ponzzz]

That's really disappointing. What a scum bag.

[Brielus]

If he is then he may be in trouble, ill point out the possibility to the staff.

[The Ponzzz]

And he was bidding on the gear to increase the worth. What a jerk.

[Brielus]

Hopes I gets my monies back!

[Sile]

Ok there seems to be a mixup, i've been dragged into this. And now I'm being pegged as Smokey. I am not, I've worked for a long time keeping Sile with a good name.

I been in the game since back around 97/98, i wouldn't do anything to ruin my name espically over 7m.

Not that you guys will believe me here.

[Brielus]

I dont know if you arent or not, at least i hope not because you seemed like a pretty cool dude. If yer not then thats friggin awesome.. If you are then i want yer nuts for a hakysack.

[Brielus]

so now im cranky and poor.

[The Ponzzz]

Snapp, is the IP the same? Because if it is, there is no dodging/lying about it at this point. There is no way to modify the IP or anything, so if they are the same, that is just about as shady as they come.

And Brielus, if you can't get a refund, I'll shoot you a mil to help. I hope some others can help you too. Call it payment for all the LOL BRIELUS pics I made.

[daisey]

It is buyer beware. It's stated in policy. If someone claims a weapon is 7x, and you make no effort to confirm that before trading the silvers for the weapon, tough. Call it a learning experience.


exactly..I always assumed the mystery backbacks were bullshit anyway.

[g++]

exactly..I always assumed the mystery backbacks were bullshit anyway.

It wasnt a mystery backpack he specifically stated there was a 7x weapon in it, your selling a backpack full of shit right now should we assume its empty?

[daisey]

It wasnt a mystery backpack he specifically stated there was a 7x weapon in it, your selling a backpack full of shit right now should we assume its empty?

I pasted what's inside it ...I've never ripped anyone off..don't buy it if you don't trust me

[smokey80]

Looks like you figured me out.

[Brielus]

Oh I do know that I made a mistake in not verifying that the item was what it was supposed to be, but I think the you've lost sight of the point. He used a character that I had bought from before, a character that as far as I had dealings with was a good guy with a good name. He abused the game by purchasing a character that he knew was in good standing and used that reputation to flense people. I'm sorry but if bigworm came to me and said hey you want this 7x blah blah i'd probably buy from em because i've bought from him and sold to him before and I know he's a good guy. Had i known that landyago had been sold I wouldnt have bid on the Item at all.

[g++]

I pasted what's inside it ...I've never ripped anyone off..don't buy it if you don't trust me

Ugh I wasnt trying to call your specific sale into question, I was just trying to point out that it would be hard to do much in the game if we had 0 trust for each other. Im sure your componments are as listed.

[Brielus]

wonder why smokey edited his previous posts.

[Martaigne]

Evidence?

[flipmod3]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/42876-1/Jackson_popcorn.gif

[Geshron]

Bumps. What asshole on here had this character before his last sale? I have him now, and he had 6 AFK script warnings along with a few other things including an incident similar to this on his record. If you (most recent owner of Landyago) can read this, I would arm bar you well enough to never be able to type again unless you had some serious, Stephen Hawking type speech software to pull this again. I hate humans sometimes.

somegsdude was the one who sold it to Demjorian who is my IRL friend, and I took that account instead. So it could have been him, or the person before him. Either way, if you see Landyago around now it's me and the most ass-hattery you will get from me is something along the lines of saying things irreverently and out of turn because well, that's what I like to do. Sorry for the unnecessary bumpage of ancient thread.

[AnticorRifling]

Fuck yeah arm bar.

[Kitsun]

This is why getting a character name and doing a pc search is part of my pre-purchase routine. There is always a reason why something is dirt cheap.

[Geshron]

This is why getting a character name and doing a pc search is part of my pre-purchase routine. There is always a reason why something is dirt cheap.

You are definitely right. I should have been less butt-hurt with myself for selling my rogue years ago when I did. When I came back to the game finding a locksmith was depressing, haha. I also think the name utterly sucks balls but I am still pleased with it overall. It's just weird when someone glances or glowers in your direction when you either don't know them at all or know them from here and they think you are that dumbass who ripped people off. I get exactly what you mean.

[AnticorRifling]

It's also why you don't do dumb shit in game (ripping people off, getting warnings, lockouts) so when you sell you get market price instead of tainted goods price.

This doesn't mean you have to be care bear sweet, just do things on the up and up.