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Renian
06-06-2008, 05:01 PM
This is in response to the email Isten sent me regarding my lockout. He had three terms for acceptable bot use.



1. You were running the bot in your home rather than the public; it wasn't a public disruption.

2. You were running the bot for your own character's use. As long as your bot is limited solely to your own characters, this isn't a problem.

3. You were attentive while using the bots. This is the critical component of the scripting policy, and you met it.



So some people (read: one person that I recall, lol) were wondering about #2--what if it's a few of your friends as well? Here's the answer.


Hi Jeffrey,

You're entering a grey area regarding #2, and the answer, I believe, is... sometimes. <g>

My understanding of the bot policy is as follows:

If your bot is being run relatively under the radar and is neither "competing" against active players nor causing a scene (zombie characters performing actions on cue can disrupt some players), I believe it should be fine. In order to keep a bot under the radar, I would recommend the following:

1. Never use common triggers that can accidentally "serve" the public, such as the word "heal." Try and use unique/obscure triggers that only you and/or your small circle of friends would know.

2. Try to park the bot away from a common gathering spot such as TSC or any room in a hunting ground. A player home, for example, should be fine.

3. Try and keep the bot to a smaller circle of friends, rather than broadcast it as available to the public at large. The key is to keep it relatively quiet so that you and your close friends can access the bot, but its presence doesn't disrupt others that may have differing views about the whole bot thing.

Of course it goes without saying that you must be present when running a bot, regardless of how private it is. If someone is caught running an unattended bot, it's an immediate violation of policy regardless of the other circumstances.

So you'll see that while we're not against the use of bots when used correctly, factors of whether or not a bot is being disruptive can vary widely depending on the user's use. As such, it's up to the discretion of staff to determine when a bot is being used correctly or when it's disrupting other players (i.e., reports fly in, it's too public a room, it's competing with "live" empaths or pickers, etc.). That's the reason why I called this area grey at the start.

I hope I've been able to shed a bit more light into your second question, but if I've only confused matters more... you know where to find me. ;)

Best Regards,
SGM Isten

Stanley Burrell
06-06-2008, 05:09 PM
I sort of feel like if you X-post that here, it's going to immediately lose some of its effectiveness.

Alfster
06-06-2008, 05:15 PM
Yup, I can see policy changing fast.

Shut up if you actually enjoy playing.

Methais
06-06-2008, 05:18 PM
I think all Isten is saying is don't be a Tayre bot.

And people still use <g>?

Renian
06-06-2008, 05:20 PM
And people still use <g>?

Apparently.

Gan
06-06-2008, 05:48 PM
<g> ? :wtf2:

Does that mean grin?

Numbers
06-06-2008, 05:53 PM
<VBG><LOL>

diethx
06-06-2008, 05:57 PM
<g> ? :wtf2:

Does that mean grin?

Yes.

Joe
06-06-2008, 06:14 PM
That can't be an actual email from Isten.

Renian
06-06-2008, 06:14 PM
It is.

Joe
06-06-2008, 06:28 PM
It is.

Well, if that's the case, then I can infer three things from this allegedly official email:

1. Unattended bot usage is against policy.
2. Disruptive bot usage is against policy.
3. Attended bot usage which is not disruptive is in line with policy.

What's the point of running a "bot" if you have to be paying attention?

Renian
06-06-2008, 06:59 PM
Well, from my own experience, it makes it so you can use commands on the bot without switching windows and typing in the actual commands.

For example, I could TAP my empath for healing, SHAKE my HEAD for mana, POKE him for him to SPELLUP AUTO, etc. It saves alt+tabbing and typing in the command manually.

fallenSaint
06-06-2008, 07:07 PM
It sounds far too laid back for Simu, someone's bound to change policy to fuck scripters harder now that its on the forums.

Drew2
06-06-2008, 07:12 PM
I think all Isten is saying is don't be a Tayre bot.



That's exactly what he's saying.

Methais
06-07-2008, 12:08 AM
Well, if that's the case, then I can infer three things from this allegedly official email:

1. Unattended bot usage is against policy.
2. Disruptive bot usage is against policy.
3. Attended bot usage which is not disruptive is in line with policy.

What's the point of running a "bot" if you have to be paying attention?

Gee I dunno, maybe so you don't have to type out the same commands 47823042 times? The same reason that people use macros and scripts for most of GS's mundane things that would otherwise give you carpel tunnel?

Makkah
06-07-2008, 12:24 AM
lol @ people giving Tayre credit for ANYTHING

AestheticDeath
06-07-2008, 01:45 AM
Except if you are not alt tabbing around to do the commands manually you are much more likely to get caught using a bot 'unattended'.

SolitareConfinement
06-07-2008, 11:25 AM
What's the point of running a "bot" if you have to be paying attention?

apparently you haven't been playing long enough to know the tedious nature of many many many aspects of the game of pressing the same macros over and over....it gets annoying... lot easier to have a bot do the tedious shit for you and let you do the fun parts

BigWorm
06-07-2008, 02:01 PM
Except if you are not alt tabbing around to do the commands manually you are much more likely to get caught using a bot 'unattended'.

You obviously don't have multiple monitors.

Renian
06-07-2008, 02:19 PM
You obviously don't have multiple monitors.

Exactly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Renian/win-1.png

BigWorm
06-07-2008, 02:52 PM
Exactly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Renian/win-1.png

You're doin' it wrong! Why do you have wide and short windows? I always prefer taller windows instead of wider ones.

AestheticDeath
06-07-2008, 02:53 PM
yeah thats hard to see

Renian
06-07-2008, 02:58 PM
Because I have a widescreen monitor on my laptop, and the other monitor I'm using is a spare, not-wide CRT.

Joe
06-07-2008, 06:13 PM
apparently you haven't been playing long enough to know the tedious nature of many many many aspects of the game of pressing the same macros over and over....it gets annoying... lot easier to have a bot do the tedious shit for you and let you do the fun parts

Nice, but no... been playing for long enough, and I still asked the question. If you want to play the "tenure" game, don't.

SayGoodbye
06-07-2008, 06:16 PM
Or YOU WILL LOSE.

Joe
06-07-2008, 06:18 PM
ROFL, no. ;)

Nieninque
06-07-2008, 08:17 PM
lol @ people giving Tayre credit for ANYTHING

LOL @ you thinking anyone reads your posts.

diethx
06-07-2008, 08:23 PM
LOL @ you thinking anyone reads your posts.

You did.

Nieninque
06-07-2008, 08:32 PM
You did.

I can respond to garbage without reading it.

Oh look, I did it again!

diethx
06-07-2008, 08:33 PM
You aren't the only one ;)

Aphyd
06-09-2008, 01:08 AM
IM IN UR THREAD READING UR POSTS!!!