Official: Clothing Update

[Fallen]

It's not layered clothing, but the clothing system has received a substantial update. The primary goal of this update is to allow characters to wear more fluff items without greatly increasing the total maximum worn items or the number of functional items worn.

1. Worn items are now considered either "functional" or "fluff". All weapons, containers, magical, and enhancive items are functional; fluff items are those that convey no mechanical benefits. Scripted items are, by default, considered functional, but those scripts that only "zest" the item -- that is, add messaging but not function -- are exempted.

2. Four new 'slots' have been added: over the front, as an apron; on the hands, as gloves; inner footwear, as socks; and in the hair, as a barrette.

3. The number of items that may be worn in each 'slot' has been modified. Generally, a smaller number of functional items may be worn, with (usually) some additional fluff items:

FunctionalTotalLocation820Generally (used when others don't apply)11On back (backpack)13Around waist (belt)12Head (helm)22Slung on back and shoulder (a slung shield)12On shoulders (cape)11On legs (pants)13On torso (shirt, dress, armor)24On wrist (bracelet)26On finger (ring)11On feet (shoe)36Around neck (amulet, necklace)34Attached to belt (belt assumed)11Over arms (arm greaves)11Over legs (leg greaves)13Hanging from ear (earring)13Hanging from ears (plural, earrings)13On ankle (anklet)11Over front (e.g. apron)11On hands (e.g. gloves)13Inner footwear (e.g. socks)12In hair (e.g. barrette)

NOTE You may find that your characters are wearing MORE than the allowed number of functional items -- particularly pinworn items. See the note below about how some items may be eligible to change slots. However, you may need to choose which 8 functional pinworns (or some other slot) you want to wear.

4. If items are ordered in your inventory in the same way SORT AUTO HEAD places them, some items will be shown layered with other items when you are LOOKed at.

5. The slot used by existing items is not changed by this update. In each major town, however, you will find in the clothier or general shop a mist-filled silver bowl. Placing a wearable item into the bowl will reveal some information about how the item is classified under the new system and, if it is eligible to change slots, will allow you to update its slot.

Although GM Lusus and I have reviewed each of the thousands of scripts in the game, we may have overlooked something. If you believe that an item you own has been misclassified as functional or fluff, or if you believe it should be considered in a different slot, please place an ASSIST so that a GM may review your request.

Cheers,
GM Bernt

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[Fallen]

Ugh. Someone get that chart to post correctly.

[Nilandia]

I have to go on record and say this is brilliant. No more having to hunt down pinworn shirts!

Gretchen

[Sylvan Dreams]

::squeals with girlish joy::

[iJin]

Effing amazing!

[fallenSaint]

I approve of this change! Socks?! Gloves?! how long did it take them....

[thefarmer]

Eh... I'm disappointed in the socks.

You see Vivaldi Al'Askani the Farmer.
He appears to be a Half-Sylvan.
He is taller than average and appears to be stooped with age. He has weary heather blue eyes and coarse, sun-spotted skin. He has short, slovenly wheat white hair dappled with dusty grey. He has a broken nose and a broad chest. He has a worn and weathered face deeply lined with wrinkles.
He has a Farmer's guild tattoo on his arm, a lop-eared old mule tattoo on his arm, a farmer's plow tattoo on his wrist, and a golden turnip tattoo on his wrist.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a scratched silvery vaalorn star, a small turnip-clasped neckpouch, a patched canvas longcoat, a simple ironwood and silver turnip charm, a disheveled cotton jerkin, a vaalorn infinity knot wristband, an ironwood flask inlaid with a vaalorn plow, some faded tan overalls, some dusty canvas workboots, and some dusty multicolored socks.

EDIT: Yes, I know it's not layered clothing but still.. I was hoping my shoes would hide my socks.

[bubbauno]

Big nerf to pin worn items.. They just don't want us maxxing stats with 50 pin worn enhancives..

[landy]

Big nerf to pin worn items.. They just don't want us maxxing stats with 50 pin worn enhancives..

That's how I saw the change as well. A spoonful of honey and this is supposed to go down easier.

[Fallen]

Was thinking the same thing. Probably for the best as wearing that many pinworns would look terrifically stupid.

[Jinsem]

Have to agree with Tsin. My PP enchancives are no longer all wearable at once thanks to other odd items I normally wear. I've already posted on the officials about it.

Jinsem
Has to rethink a few things.

[Joe]

Have to agree with Tsin. My PP enchancives are no longer all wearable at once thanks to other odd items I normally wear. I've already posted on the officials about it.

Jinsem
Has to rethink a few things.

Viagra made it to GemStone? WTF?

[BriarFox]

Was thinking the same thing. Probably for the best as wearing that many pinworns would look terrifically stupid.

I already look damn moronic wearing a chrysoberyl tiara ...

[Nilandia]

But it suits you so well!

Gretchen

[g++]

You can prolly still max a stat or two with pin worns you will just have to pick and choose and wont be able to max everything. Good change in my opinion it will allow us newbs to get our plus 1 to ranged pin worn without having to outbid the most powerful people in the game.

[Gan]

They forgot the most important thing... the weight/encumbrance factor of all that shit being worn.

Not to mention the WoT factor when you look at someone.

[thefarmer]

It's still shitty you can't wear a pocketed shirt with armor.

[g++]

Yah im not big on fluff, i actually have a script to strip new characters, then usually give them the rogue guild pack and cloak and call it a day. Encumbrance sucks.

[Deathravin]

You should be able to wave or some other way combine enhancives into a single item of your choosing... A cliche Dhe`nar sorcerer just isn't the same when wearing a pink diamond-encrusted tiara.

[Fallen]

A cliche Faendryl sorcerer with a baby blue sapphire flamingo brooch, however, is another matter entirely.

[thefarmer]

X-Post

>If the bodice or vest has a pocket it'll be considered a functional item and won't be able to be worn with armor.

>As of this morning, bodices and vests sort to the 'apron' slot and, consequently, you may wear one pocketed vest/bodice over your armor.
Cheers,
GM Bernt

I find this change inconsistent.

>Items that are typically worn closest to the body and/or largely cover what is beneath them are classed in the "chest"-Bernt

So.. ALL bodices are now NOT worn closest to the body (what goes in between?) and do NOT largely cover what is beneath them (Mean ALL bodices are VERY lowcut)?

If you're going to move bodices, I believe you should reconsider not moving shirts too.

[CrystalTears]

Normally you're supposed to wear a shirt/chemise under a bodice.

[Fallen]

Without layered clothing I just don't see how any of this makes sense. How am I seeing your socks if you're wearing boots and pants? How am I seeing your shirt when you're wearing Augmented breastplate? etc etc.

[CrystalTears]

I really wish they'd implement layered clothing. It would be nice if when you look at yourself you see everything and then when looked at it's layered.

But then, there are some things like detail on a tattoo on your neck that you shouldn't be able to see at a glance, but I understand what you mean.

[Trouble]

Anyone know if those pin-worn doeskin vests are affected? I think everything else I was wearing was 'normal.' My bard has a pin-worn weapons harness, hopefully that's ok.

[Fallen]

This change HAS NOT automatically changed the slots of any existing items. Your vest will not be affected unless you convert it via the bowl in the clothier. However, it wouldn't be absolutely insane to convert it if you can get it as an "Over the front" item, as pin worn slots are limited. It would just be mostly insane to do so.

This change has slightly decreased the value of pin worn containers in general.

[ViridianAsp]

They do have sashes that hold pins, just a heads up on that for ya.

I think they hold up to twenty pins. like pin, pins...I don't know about pin-worn, but just for future reference.

[Fallen]

I am told those sashes do not allow the enhancive affects of an item to be activated.

[CrystalTears]

I am told those sashes do not allow the enhancive affects of an item to be activated.
Correct. You can't activate them on the sash. You'd have to remove it from the sash, attach it to yourself before you can activate it, then I guess take it off and put it back on the sash.

The sash is better for pins that you plan on hardly if ever using and just for show.

[ViridianAsp]

Ah okay, didn't know, thought it might be helpful. Oh well!

[AestheticDeath]

They need to make more Diablo 2 type items, so you can put multiple props in one item. I don't like all this crap where they limit everything.

[fallenSaint]

Im selling said sash in my auction thread... in case ya kno anyone was interested.

On another note the bowl totally fucked up my spectacles last night ;*(

[ViridianAsp]

Im selling said sash in my auction thread... in case ya kno anyone was interested.

On another note the bowl totally fucked up my spectacles last night ;*(

Wait, how? You can't wear them? One of my girls wears specs...I don't want to put them in if it's going to mess them up.

[Kyra231]

So, if you don't toss all your crap in the bowl...it converts on its own or ?

~K.

[Fallen]

No auto slot conversions. Some minor updates to your stuff be done no matter what you do.

[Fallen]

You may have noticed a few things are changed in both LOOK and INVENTORY:


You are wearing a silver earring, a vultite shield slung over your shoulder, an ipantor long bow slung over your other shoulder, a leather backpack, a pale green linen apron over a cotton shirt, some double leather, some canvas trousers, and a pair of wool socks under a pair of leather boots.


Note that this messaging is very order dependent: if socks are not 'above' boots, you won't get the linking messaging. If I were to sort my leathers UP, I would get: "... a pale green linen apron over some double leather, a cotton shirt, ..." If the apron-slot item does not directly precede a chest-worn slot item, then the "over a" messaging does not occur.

And have you notice what happens when you try to wear or remove socks when you have shoes on?

Cheers,
GM Bernt

[Kyra231]

Hmmm, having trouble seeing the benefit of tossing things in then, from the posts here anyway, don't want to lose the use of my items.

~K.

[fallenSaint]

Well my specs were scripted so I assume thats why they got pwned. I tossed stuff in mainly to make sure it wasnt taking up a functional spot and to get stuff like my dagger shirt turned apron.

[g++]

And have you notice what happens when you try to wear or remove socks when you have shoes on?

Cheers,
GM Bernt

Thank god they nipped this in the bud..just think of all the people that could have gotten away with removing their socks without first removing their shoes. The thought makes me sick.

[ViridianAsp]

Well my specs were scripted so I assume thats why they got pwned. I tossed stuff in mainly to make sure it wasnt taking up a functional spot and to get stuff like my dagger shirt turned apron.


Hers have scripts too, I'll just steer clear of putting them in the bowl.

[Fallen]

Thank god they nipped this in the bud..just think of all the people that could have gotten away with removing their socks without first removing their shoes. The thought makes me sick.

I think it is a damn fine change, actually. Socks/Stockings now make sense. They just need to address tops with armor/accessories, and pants with armor/accessories and we're set.

[ViridianAsp]

I don't see a bowl in the clothier...did they pull it?

[Stanley Burrell]

Eh... I'm disappointed in the socks.

Not everyone can be as awesome as rocking rainbow toesocks and ambiguous black boots.

[fallenSaint]

I don't see a bowl in the clothier...did they pull it?

Illistim's wound up in the General Store so you might check there wherever you do be.

[Nilandia]

The Landing's is in the boutique.

Gretchen

[Latrinsorm]

Not everyone can be as awesome as rocking rainbow toesocks and ambiguous black boots.They're not toesocks, ew.

[Stanley Burrell]

They're not toesocks, ew.

My bad.

[joehollywood]

Do forging apron's count as the "apron" slot allowing them to be worn with armor?...this will save me soooooooo many deeds if so

[Fallen]

Yes, it counts as an "over the front" slot and if worn directly in front of the armor will even be given special messaging showing that the apron is worn over the front of his/her (armor).

[Kyra231]

Alright as someone who works pretty hard to keep her characters shown description of what's worn less than 2 or 3 lines..the 'worn over the shoulder' crap added to the shoulder worn items sucks ass.

Just got an item back today & thought it was buggy but no, it's a 'perk'. Gross.

'A round woven straw bag with a soft leather shoulder strap worn over your shoulder' is one stupid description, but the gms say it's 'working as intended'. Nice.

~K.