DMV question ALERT CrystalT or someone hehe (legal part 3)

[Sean of the Thread]

I have to goto TN soon to pick up a dozen Kar98k rifles. Which is technically work related and covered under my work permit since refinish etc the guns and resell them.

Is it possible to get a drivers license there or even Georgia on the way that would be valid? My dui case is going to take round 4-6 months from what I can tell but is it possible to get a out of state DL? Would it be valid?

International isn't possible as it's valid everywhere but the state of origin come to find out.

I can easily get an addy and proper credentials for "moving" to TN etc.

Just a passing thought really but the system beats the fuck out of us all the time there has to be a way tickle them back.

Anyways.. what's to stop me from getting a license in another state before/if there is a conviction here? I have an DMV administrative suspension as it is now for refusing to blow but the actual criminal dui case has a long time to go before finalized either way.

But who knows.. when things look good they usually end up shitty right?

[Daniel]

You can't get a state ID?

[Kyra231]

Try Wisconsin or some other state that hands you your DL in less than 10 min.

I had an ex who registered his address as the Old Milwaukee Brewery & got his DL there because he is banned from ever having a DL in Michigan again.

Also they don't 'require' insurance in WI(so pray no one slams you) but it makes the whole DL thing easier.

~K.

[CrystalTears]

I'd have to double check the state information, but generally any DMV will check your driving record and then ask you to surrender your out of state license before they would give you a valid state ID.

You normally have to show proof of residency in order to obtain a state DL.

To my knowledge there is no such thing as an out of state DL license within the state. It doesn't work like gun permits.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah I did some more searching on the subject. Basically you have to have a valid DL in the state you're coming from. I have dual residency in NY but I'm sure that's not valid anymore either and I'm not digging out my briefcase from the back of the garage.

I'll look into the Wisconsin thing tho... oddly you're not the first person to have suggested that state.

[CrystalTears]

It's easy to get car registrations and titles in WI. I'm not sure about the DL because they're moving towards real ID's which means more requirements than they used to have. You still need to be a resident.

[Sean of the Thread]

I just want to know if this includes me going to buy groceries and picking up/dropping off my children from school. Job interviews? Nobody on the phone can give an answer.

It gives the field officer pretty wide discretion based on the statutes wording and the penalties for doing so are pretty damned stiff here.


C” restriction license authorizes driving for “business purposes only.” The Florida Legislature defines BPO as “a driving privilege that is limited to any driving necessary to maintain livelihood, including driving to and from work, necessary on-the-job driving, driving for educational purposes, and driving for church or medical purposes.” Florida Statute Section 322.271(1)(c)(1)

[Clove]

I just want to know if this includes me going to buy groceries and picking up/dropping off my children from school. Job interviews? Nobody on the phone can give an answer.

It gives the field officer pretty wide discretion based on the statutes wording and the penalties for doing so are pretty damned stiff here.


C” restriction license authorizes driving for “business purposes only.” The Florida Legislature defines BPO as “a driving privilege that is limited to any driving necessary to maintain livelihood, including driving to and from work, necessary on-the-job driving, driving for educational purposes, and driving for church or medical purposes.” Florida Statute Section 322.271(1)(c)(1)I'm not a lawyer but it doesn't seem all that vague to me. Unless your job involves delivering groceries or picking up your kids from school- no it doesn't. You can drive for work. You can drive to church. You can drive to a doctor.

[CrystalTears]

Oh you mean to go for the hardship license? I'm not sure how many DUI convictions you have (hopefully just the one) so that may be a good option.

However when you get it, you may want to ask them to elaborate on what that covers. I'm not sure if going grocery shopping or picking up the kids is included because they are not work-related.

[Sean of the Thread]

I have ZERO convictions. I've only been charged at this point.
The only interaction I've had with the courts in my adult life was a parking ticket about 12 years ago.


It's the maintain livelihood part that is vague to me. I'll just keep trying to get someone on the phone.


The thing is with all the tax cuts and budget slashes here they are doing some serious extra fund raising. I've seen more people being ticketed in recent months than ever before.

[CrystalTears]

Maintain livelihood more than likely means maintaining the means to make money, imo.

[Celephais]

Wait, isn't food a necessity to life? And isn't dropping the kids off at school educational purposes?

I mean... I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, but at least that's a leg to stand on...

[CrystalTears]

The problem is that they're leaving the terminology vague and leaving it up to the officer to decide if he was violating the hardship license policy or not.

[Drew2]

The most frustrating part about all this is Sean isn't a fucking moron, but he made several fucking moronic mistakes. Sucks.

[diethx]

I'd have to double check the state information, but generally any DMV will check your driving record and then ask you to surrender your out of state license before they would give you a valid state ID.

You normally have to show proof of residency in order to obtain a state DL.

To my knowledge there is no such thing as an out of state DL license within the state. It doesn't work like gun permits.

I dunno if this has been resolved thus far, but that's how it was when I moved from NY to GA. I had to turn my NY license in to the GA DMV and I had to show proof of residency. It was kind of a joke, though. I wasn't paying any utilities so I didn't have any in my name, all I had was this crappy print out from my employer that showed my new address. It totally could've been printed out on my own computer, but they accepted it anyway cuz they trusted it wasn't a fraud, I guess. I have an honest face though :D

[Clove]

Sean2 Newsflash: While looking for a loophole bear in mind that Florida INTENDS TO MAKE LIFE AS INCONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE TO DRIVERS THAT ELECT TO REFUSE A BREATH TEST.

[Sean of the Thread]

Sean2 Newsflash: While looking for a loophole bear in mind that Florida INTENDS TO MAKE LIFE AS INCONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE TO DRIVERS THAT ELECT TO REFUSE A BREATH TEST.

It's already full of holes I don't need to look any further. Was just curious as to DMV processes around the states as it's a separate issue. DUI case is most likely going to be dismissed but I'll still have to deal with the DMV.

[CrystalTears]

And I believe we're just saying not to fuck with it as you're already in enough trouble. You really want to risk getting caught screwing up with the hardship license when you're still dealing with your DUI problem on your current license?

But whatever. DMV is not something I would screw with.

[Sean of the Thread]

No don't misunderstand me. I was trying to find out about vagueness of the statute and the possibility of getting a license in another state (most likely TN) as we're looking at opening up a gunsmith shop there.

Believe me I'm not fucking with the DMV. I've already handled everything ^with their administration and requested a formal hearing but it's just impossible to get someone to give me a straight answer on grocery shopping and picking/dropping my kids off at school. Schools almost over (June 3) so no biggy really just that some days my SO will be a few minutes late to work.

I just got another call from my defender saying they haven't even filed formal charges yet and are the state is "having trouble" with some of the video footage for discovery. With all the fuck ups on it I'm not surprised.

This whole thing was bullshit from the beginning and I'll just wait and see how much lube I'll require in the coming weeks.

[Stanley Burrell]

Wait, isn't food a necessity to life?

Lies, all lies!

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[Stanley Burrell]

I have to goto TN soon to pick up a dozen Kar98k rifles. Which is technically work related and covered under my work permit since refinish etc the guns and resell them.

Is it possible to get a drivers license there or even Georgia on the way that would be valid? My dui case is going to take round 4-6 months from what I can tell but is it possible to get a out of state DL? Would it be valid?

International isn't possible as it's valid everywhere but the state of origin come to find out.

I can easily get an addy and proper credentials for "moving" to TN etc.

Just a passing thought really but the system beats the fuck out of us all the time there has to be a way tickle them back.

Anyways.. what's to stop me from getting a license in another state before/if there is a conviction here? I have an DMV administrative suspension as it is now for refusing to blow but the actual criminal dui case has a long time to go before finalized either way.

But who knows.. when things look good they usually end up shitty right?

I have no idea. But I'm going to echo the Wisconsin sentiment. I :heart: Wisconsin and her people like what. For all the wrong reasons.

The State of Wisconsin is what the whole hep world would be doing Saturday nights, and the rest of the week, if the Nazis had won the war. And implemented Bacchus' law 24/7/∞.

Miller Park is the final Earth stronghold. Go Brewers.