403 MnE bonus

[Renian]

So...does anyone know how much of a bonus each rank of MnE gives to a self-cast 403?

I'm capped with max picking and can't pick all temple boxes, even with lore. ><

[NocturnalRob]

So...does anyone know how much of a bonus each rank of MnE gives to a self-cast 403?

I'm capped with max picking and can't pick all temple boxes, even with lore. ><

I'm pretty sure the factors are level, Pick Locks skill, MnE spell ranks, and your Dexterity bonus.

do you know 403, or are you getting it cast on you or from imbed?

[Renian]

I know 403.
I'm aware of the factors, hence my question. It's the only factor I can still improve by TPs alone. (Fully 3x'd lockpicking, level 100, max dex...but only 4 MnE ranks.) That, and the formula I found by a search on the PC did not say how much MnE helps.

[fallenSaint]

Well not that its a helpful comment but given your other stats if you wanna get all the boxes time to start busting out the MnE ranks no matter what their bonus is.

[Renian]

Granted. I want to get 425 anyway.
But the problem is the opportunity cost of just going to 425 right now to make damn sure I can get all the boxes. For example, I want to wear full plate and have 2x CM.

[NocturnalRob]

Granted. I want to get 425 anyway.
But the problem is the opportunity cost of just going to 425 right now to make damn sure I can get all the boxes. For example, I want to wear full plate and have 2x CM.

I think what Fallen is saying (and you're agreeing with, I guess) is the only thing you can do to affect your picking skills now is to bump your MnE ranks, so it doesn't really matter.

I understand wanting to wear plate, CM, etc, but all you can do at this point is MnE ranks. At least up to 407. then pop that shit.

As an aside, do you have any problems disarming anything so far?

[Stretch]

Honestly, I can get 98% of boxes with lore (303 picking, 404, and 25 DEX). For the VERY really "unbelievably complicated" locks, I just wedge.

[Renian]

Honestly, I can get 98% of boxes with lore (303 picking, 404, and 25 DEX). For the VERY really "unbelievably complicated" locks, I just wedge.

Problem with that is scales traps on huge locks. Situational, but totally possible.

Also, I can disarm every trap in the game with no difficulty.

[BigWorm]

Lore Formulas are pretty close to:

403 bonus = ( Level / 2 ) + ( Picking Locks Bonus / 10 ) + ( Dex Bonus / 2 ) + ( Int Bonus / 2 ) + Ranks in 400s

404 bonus = ( Level / 2 ) + ( Disarming Traps Bonus / 10 ) + ( Agi Bonus / 2 ) + ( Dis Bonus / 2 ) + Ranks in 400s

All fractions round down. The bonus to 403 is applied before the lockpick multiplier.

These formulas will probably change with the locks and trap review whenever that comes out, especially the level factor.

[Renian]

It's straight up +1 bonus per rank? Damn. That's a lot of TPs I'll need to shell out. -_-
Thanks though.

[Danical]

Doesn't each rank count as 2.5 if you're using Vaalin?

If you get 425 . . . that's increasing it by something like 52ish?

[Renian]

Yes.

But that means it's 2 ranks for it to really make any difference whatsoever. 2 ranks will allow me to pick boxes (barely) of -5 more.
That's 134 MTPs to pick -5 more. Or, in my case, 268 PTPs due to mass conversion.

At least I'll be getting +25 AS.

[BigWorm]

Doesn't each rank count as 2.5 if you're using Vaalin?

If you get 425 . . . that's increasing it by something like 52ish?

Yes, since the bonus for each rank in MnE is 1 and the modifier for vaalin is 2.5, each rank translates into +2.5 towards your max.

And wouldn't it be 62?

[NocturnalRob]

Yes, since the bonus for each rank in MnE is 1 and the modifier for vaalin is 2.5, each rank translates into +2.5 towards your max.

And wouldn't it be 62?

404 to 425 is an additional 21 ranks. 21 * 2.5 = 52.5

so...+52.5 to your max

[Renian]

^^^^^^^

And I just looked at that picking formula a little closer. Holy shit, INT helps picking? Goddammit, that was one of my dump stats.

Fortunately I plan to FIXSTATS anyway and bring that up to 100. And it's in its 80's. Screw INF.

[NocturnalRob]

^^^^^^^

And I just looked at that picking formula a little closer. Holy shit, INT helps picking? Goddammit, that was one of my dump stats.

Fortunately I plan to FIXSTATS anyway and bring that up to 100. And it's in its 80's. Screw INF.

haha...i'm a dark elf. not even maxed INF can help me, so that was my dump stat

[Renian]

It can in Cysaegir.

Yeah, INF and INT were my dumps.