4/20 another reason why I'm glad I left Denver

[Gan]

"Nine, eight, seven ..."

A crowd of about 10,000 people collectively began counting down on the University of Colorado's Norlin Quadrangle just before 4:20 p.m. Sunday.
Yet the massive puff of pot smoke that hovers over CU's Boulder campus every April 20 -- the date of an annual, internationally recognized celebration of marijuana -- began rising over the sea of heads earlier than normal this year.

"Oh forget it," one student said, aborting the countdown to 4:20 p.m. and lighting his pipe early. He closed his eyes, taking a deep, long drag.
"Sweet."

Although it's become an annual and renowned event at CU, this year's 4/20 celebration was different in some ways than in many previous years: The crowd was so large it migrated from the long-traditional site of Farrand Field to the larger Norlin Quad; festivities kicked off earlier than normal with daytime concerts; and CU police handed out zero citations.
“At this point, none are anticipated,” said CU police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley.

Officers in the past have gone to great lengths to catch people in the illegal act of smoking pot on 4/20.

In 2006, CU police dispatched undercover photographers to snap pictures of smokers. Photos of 150 alleged offenders then were posted on the department’s Web site, and witnesses were offered $50 to positively identify the suspects — who then were ticketed. Another year, smokers on Farrand were doused with sprinklers.

“We can’t do the same thing year after year,” Wiesley said hours before Sunday’s smoking began. “So I doubt we’ll do anything like the pictures. ... There’s no way our 12 to 15 officers are going to be able to deal with a crowd of 10,000. We just can’t do strong enforcement when we’re outnumbered 700 or 800 to one.”

About 15 CU officers and a half-dozen deputies with the Boulder County Sheriff’s Office had a presence Sunday among the mass of pot smokers, who bounced giant balls and tossed Frisbees through the haze. CU police did handle four medical-related calls for health issues including dehydration; two people were taken to Boulder Community Hospital.

Closer to downtown, a more “adult” 4/20 gathering also took place at Boulder’s Central Park for non-students looking to avoid the CU foot traffic. But that event had a much smaller turnout and was mostly uneventful.

The crowd size at last year’s CU gathering was rumored to have topped 5,000, Wiesley said, meaning this year’s gathering drew about double.

“I guess it’s not like they had to cut a 4 p.m. class to go do it,” Wiesley said, speculating as to why so many more people showed up. “People are not all that busy at 4:20 p.m. in the afternoon on a Sunday.”

From the steps of Norlin Library, some of the thousands present said the turnout appeared comparable to that of a peace march or protest.

“You guys need to go stand on those stairs,” one girl shouted to her friends, who were seated in a circle on the quadrangle grass. “You don’t even understand.”

Smoke-out participants — thousands of whom wore green or T-shirts promoting pot — climbed trees, played the bongos, snapped pictures and had miniature picnics.

That, of course, after they sparked the weed they had come to smoke.
CU freshman Emily Benson, 19, of Kansas City, said she thinks the decriminalization of marijuana will become a hot topic in the upcoming political season and said she felt part of something bigger than just a smoke-out on Sunday.

“We’re at the starting point of a movement,” she said. “This is a big part of the reason I applied here — for the weed atmosphere.”

Although CU junior Max Lichtenstein, 21, isn’t into marijuana or smoking, he also felt Sunday’s event was a chance to do something “bigger” than himself. He passed out 126 Rice Krispies treats with messages attached asking that they act out against the injustices in Darfur.

“Tomorrow, when you’re sober ... call the White House at 202-456-1414,” the note read.

“I just like being generous and doing nice things,” he said. “I’m like a good Samaritan.”

CU senior Tyler Molvig, 24, said that rather than condemning the smoke-out, CU and the city should embrace it as a money-making opportunity.
“I mean, it’s gonna happen regardless,” he said.

Entrepreneur Barrett Betz, 20, conceived of the potential financial benefit 4/20 holds earlier this year, and sold peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Hostess snack cakes and bottled water for a $1.

“Peanut butter and jelly!” he screamed to passers-by who were parched and eager to satisfy their munchies. “I’m doing very well.”

One woman was hopeful Betz’s treats were charged with some special ingredients.

“Are these magical?” she asked, only to be disappointed. “Why aren’t you selling magical ones? I mean, it’s cool — but c’mon.”

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/apr/20/cus-420-pot-smoke-out-draws-10000/
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This article made me wish I had rolled up around 4:45 in a large Fritos box van filled with chips for sale. And they didnt even have to be 'magical'. LOL

And the readers comments below were hillarious. Take this one for instance.



Posted by jim_anchower on April 20, 2008 at 9:05 p.m.

Hola, Dudes! It was a great day for 420 and jim anchower had to be there because Randy finally came up with that weed even though I had to front him some money, luckily I still had some of my paycheck from Friday and when he showed up he had rolled this big spliff which we had to wait to smoke til 4:20 exactkly and we went up and walked around on the campus where there were thousands of stoners gathered and at 420 we smoked our spliff with these college girls and randy said he saw Jan Scott but I said naw it was some other short squat guy and Jan Scott is OK even if he is too straight to go to 420 and I lost sight of Randy and the college girls so I went to get some ice cream but it was jammed like they had just invented ice cream or something so I went and laid down because maybe the thin air around here was getting to me and I fell asleep with the TV on and didn't see Randy until the next day well, when I asked him for the rest of the dope he said he used it all in that spliff we gave the college girls Bummer!
But it was a pretty good 420.
If you read it with the voice of Spiccoli from Fast Times, it sounds perfect!

:lol:

[Daniel]

Nothing like the celebration of being a loser.

[Stanley Burrell]

To be fair, people have dumb obsessions with numbers across the boards. Although the 420 one takes the cake.

Looking for a number, as an excuse, to smoke pot is probably retarded. Just fucking do it, or better yet, don't.

And today's the 22nd, of April, 2008, time for me to go scuba diving. With lampreys. You know, numbers.

[Arkans]

I stand can't pot. The shit makes me paranoid as hell (lol @ the irony and me liking methamphetamine), hungry, tired, and useless for half the day.

I will say that it should be decriminalized. I can't wrap my mind behind the puritanical justifications to keep it illegal.

- Arkans

[Stanley Burrell]

Pot as a verb? Props.

[Skeeter]

It amazes me how many losers there are in the world. Why would someone WANT to be a stoner?

[Arkans]

I think it's less about being a stoner and more about being able to smoke marijuana legally.

Nobody wants to be a drunk, but people do want to enjoy a drink now and then.

- Arkans

[Jayvn]

Pretty much exactly how I see it. I'm not close to a stoner, I'll occasionally smoke to help me go to sleep... to me it seems a fuckload better than taking a few unisoms...


I think it's less about being a stoner and more about being able to smoke marijuana legally.

Nobody wants to be a drunk, but people do want to enjoy a drink now and then.

- Arkans

[Arkans]

Fuck Unisom.

Just take generic diphenhydramine instead, if you must.

The majority of over the counter sleep aids are just that.

(active ingredient in Benedryl)

Regardless, I agree 100%, Jayvin. It's just obnoxious we have these archaic laws governing us. This doesn't just apply to marijuana, but also anything else (blue laws, ect.)

- Arkans

[Snapp]

Nothing like the celebration of being a loser.

:yeahthat:

[Arkans]

How does smoking marijuana make you a loser, again?

- Arkans

[Skeeter]

Of these 10k people how many had cancer or glaucoma. Likely none, so I'm going to make the assumption they are all abusing weed illegally.

I have friends who are hardcore stoners (oddly they're all roofers) they are some of the dumbest most disjointed people I've ever met. They also say dude a lot.

Weed doesn't have any redeeming qualities when abused, same as alcohol. If it was 10k alcoholics bonging beers in CU I would feel the same way. Losers.

[Arkans]

Slightly off topic, but seriously, what the fuck is with pot smokers and roofing. I've noticed an uncanny relationship as well.

I do know heavy marijuana smokers that do not fall into that catagory, though. Also, we don't know for certain that these kids are smoking fatty bumbalatties all day; everyday.

No drug is good when used regularly, but like alcohol, what's so bad about recreational to moderate pot use? Hell, I don't even see anything wrong with relaxing with a joint rather than a couple beers after work.

Now, does doing anything illegal make you a loser? If that's the case, then I think that's the silliest way of judging people. Hell, I'd wager those kids caused less problems than an equal amount drinking alcohol.

- Arkans

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Skeeter
I have friends who are hardcore stoners (oddly they're all roofers) they are some of the dumbest most disjointed people I've ever met. They also say dude a lot.

On the flip side i have quite a few young professional friends who are pretty hardcore stoners and odds are you couldn't pick them out. They are all productive members of society .. making money, paying bills, etc. In their spare time when they don't have anything important going on they like to toke up and relax. I don't think that makes them losers they just approach life in a different way.

Anyway.. It was a peaceful assembly on a sunday afternoon who gives a shit if they got together?

[Gan]

Weed doesn't have any redeeming qualities when abused, same as alcohol. If it was 10k alcoholics bonging beers in CU I would feel the same way. Losers.

/Agreed.

My biggest problem with pot-heads (the ones that I know) is that they are all great talkers - but little doers.

The last thing I need around me are people who wax poetic about the wrongs of society and the grand schemes of being successful, but when it comes time to put the effort into the ideas (of which from the many might actually be plausable) they would rather someone else do the work.

Fuck that.

[Stanley Burrell]

Shit, shit, shit.

11:29 EST and the year is divisible by 4 into an integer. Time to wear my bluish-grey wool socks.

[Arkans]

What's so bad about somebody not wanting to go out and change society and would rather just discuss it? I mean, if you see that as laziness and that equals loser, then fine. I think that is more of a problem you might have with somebody's personality rather with how they choose to alter their state of mind.

- Arkans

[Gan]

What's so bad about somebody not wanting to go out and change society and would rather just discuss it? I mean, if you see that as laziness and that equals loser, then fine. I think that is more of a problem you might have with somebody's personality rather with how they choose to alter their state of mind.

- Arkans

When said person rails against the current system, and does not vote. When said person talks grand designs on becomming personally successful and actually just sits on the couch playing video games, smoking pot, and eathing chips instead of working towards said goals.

I do have a problem with that type of personality - and its most commonly found in the people I know of who smoke pot.

Could there be a link to that kind of personality and said consumption?

:thinking:

You tell me. ;)

[StrayRogue]

Alcohol = far more destructive than cannabis.

[Skeeter]

My guess is that recreational users who hold a job and are productive members of society are not going to a pro-pot rally where they may be outed and / or arrested.

I enjoy a beer or 2 in the evening. I'm not headed to the kegger on the quad.

[Stanley Burrell]

Alcohol = far more destructive than cannabis.

You speak the truth to the youth, you say, "Hey youth: Here's the truth -- Betta' start wearing bulletproof."

Er, I agree. Although massives DTs worldwide because of insta-prohibition would be kinda slightly schizophrenically scary.

[StrayRogue]

Both are very bad when not taken in moderation, but you seldom see people getting in to fights, raping or knocking people over in cars when they're stoned.

[Stanley Burrell]

Both are very bad when not taken in moderation, but you seldom see people getting in to fights, raping or knocking people over in cars when they're stoned.

Shit would (hypothetically) go pear-shaped if dodgy gits around the Earth's surface went anti-clockwise to the days of prohibiting cider. I'm comfortable with blokes being consumers of ethanol than tweaking out on the collective globe due to DTs x infinity.

Tally ho and a pip-pip.

[Crazy Bard]

What the fuck ...

[Stanley Burrell]

I spoke British you ignorant putz.

[Gan]

Alcohol = far more destructive than cannabis.

In what way. Because there's plenty of comparisons available.

Physically?
Mentally?
Socially?
Economically?

[StrayRogue]

These pretty much sum up my thoughts on drugs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpRYJYVb7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntiAF3OSts&feature=related

[Gan]

No streaming at work. :(

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

I GOT MENTIONED!!!

[Arkans]

In what way. Because there's plenty of comparisons available.

Physically?
Mentally?
Socially?
Economically?

Physically? You better believe it. Marijuana is not physically addictive, alcohol is. Even worse, the withdrawals from alcohol can kill a man, unlike marijuana. Alcohol also causes massive damage to the liver. The most harmful part of using marijuana is smoking it, which, can be avoided. I think we all can agree that there have been many of deaths due to alcohol poisoning, but the only reports of THC overdose (and extreme illness) is when three Brits decided to boil some marijuana and inject the concotion into their viens. Stupid, I know, but I doubt it was the actual drug that made them ill.

Socially? Look at all the alcohol related crimes. Rape, fights, stupid alcohol fueled dares. It's all been stated already, but how many marijuana induced violent crimes have been comitted? Now, compare that with alcohol.

Seeing as though marijuana is not physically addictive (and I'd say only mildly psychologically addictive), I'd say a lot more economic harm has been done with alcohol. How many people have lost their homes, bank accounts, businesses due to heavy marijuana use? Reports are rife with alcohol, though.

It takes a bit of research to see that the only problem with marijuana use is a social stigma due a lack of understanding of the drug. It was, and is, outlawed for silly reasons which we just need to admit to ourselves repeal.

- Arkans

[Crazy Bard]

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[TheEschaton]

My biggest problem with pot-heads (the ones that I know) is that they are all great talkers - but little doers.

This is why I quit, personally.

I know tons of successful people, like Sean, who smoke in their free time. They're much more pleasant than people who "drink in their spare time."

If alcohol is legal - there is no real reason why marijuana shouldn't be legal. However, I happen to think both are not good for your personal well-being, and therefore should not be consumed, but that's my own personal argument. After all, I still drink.

-TheE-

[BigWorm]

My guess is that recreational users who hold a job and are productive members of society are not going to a pro-pot rally where they may be outed and / or arrested.

I enjoy a beer or 2 in the evening. I'm not headed to the kegger on the quad.

A lot of people in Colorado look at it like civil disobedience. Just because there may be negative consequences doesn't turn away all the people who feel like the system needs to be changed.

And I find it amusing that you think anyone who smokes pot cannot be a productive member of society. It's pretty easy to smoke pot recreationally and still be a highly productive member of society. They are probably a lot more recreational pot smokers that you deal with on a daily basis that you realize.

[Latrinsorm]

but like alcohol, what's so bad about recreational to moderate pot use?a) Smoke disperses (and thus affects other people) a lot more than alcohol in someone's stomach.
b) Marijuana causes neurological problems. This is fundamentally different from alcohol in that most people are unaware of it (c.f. this thread) while every red-blooded American knows Mickey Mantle.

[Gan]

Physically? You better believe it. Marijuana is not physically addictive, alcohol is. Even worse, the withdrawals from alcohol can kill a man, unlike marijuana. Alcohol also causes massive damage to the liver. The most harmful part of using marijuana is smoking it, which, can be avoided. I think we all can agree that there have been many of deaths due to alcohol poisoning, but the only reports of THC overdose (and extreme illness) is when three Brits decided to boil some marijuana and inject the concotion into their viens. Stupid, I know, but I doubt it was the actual drug that made them ill.
I'll agree with you there. Cannibis in pure form isnt very harmful as compared to smoking in the form of blunts of spliffs where you get the added negative effects of tobacco. I'd like to see more studies about the long term mental effects from cannibis. We all know, though, that alcohol kills brain cells when abused... I wonder what the long term effects are for cannibis abuse.


Socially? Look at all the alcohol related crimes. Rape, fights, stupid alcohol fueled dares. It's all been stated already, but how many marijuana induced violent crimes have been comitted? Now, compare that with alcohol.
I would imagine that the inhibition related to rape and its subsequent removal while under the influcen of alcohol can be equated to the removal of the same inhibition while under the influence of cannibis. I cant point to a study off the top of my head that cooberates that though. I'll agree on violent crime or fights being more prevalant with alcohol as cannibis tends to have a mellowing or lethargic effect while being used. I'll disagree on stupid dares - since I know plenty of incidents involving stupid stunts and cannibis. Again, with the inhibition mentioned in the rape example, I think the prevalance for doing something stupid already exists amongst abusers of both chemicals - its the chemical that removes the inhibition or common sense NOT to do it.


Seeing as though marijuana is not physically addictive (and I'd say only mildly psychologically addictive), I'd say a lot more economic harm has been done with alcohol. How many people have lost their homes, bank accounts, businesses due to heavy marijuana use? Reports are rife with alcohol, though.
How many people never had homes, bank accounts, or businesses due to heavy marajuana use? Thats not a fair comparison though since you can say the same thing about heavy alcohol abuse. I think that as recreational use of cannibis increases to the point where its consumed as much as and as frequently as alcohol, I believe that you'll be able to find comparitive examples. For now however, cannibis has the advantage of being a less popular past time.


It takes a bit of research to see that the only problem with marijuana use is a social stigma due a lack of understanding of the drug. It was, and is, outlawed for silly reasons which we just need to admit to ourselves repeal.
-Arkans
LOL THATS IT!!!! POT-HEADS ARE JUST MISUNDERSTOOD!

Backlash, we have the answer to your problems!

:lol:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3/3strangedays/angry-hobo.jpg

[septus]

I don't get a long with the majority of stoners. (smoking occasionally doesn't really make you a stoner). They're generally very lazy, and incredibly selfish. And like to do that whole 'man can't we all just get along' bs. It's just a nice way of saying I'm going to do whatever I want without regards to anyone else. which is the opposite of what most of them supposedly preach.

I know everyone knows one or two people that toke up and are productive members of society. But that's the exception to the rule. Every stoner that I've met that have been from Boulder are the lazy, selfish "hippie" type.

Of course.. is it a problem with the drug itself, or a problem with the people who are predisposed to use it? It's a big chicken and the egg thing for me. But generally I try to avoid open drug users. Especially the ones that are so obsessed they can't go through a 10 minute conversation with you without talking about it.

[Stanley Burrell]

http://hemptopia.org/images/deathfacts.gif

I have a feeling that I've never seen anyone smoke a cigarette and drop dead on the floor.

In this same token, heh-heh, tokin'; in this same token though, I don't believe there's any studies that have been performed with people who eat fifty snack cakes a day to satiate their munchies, combined with lack of exercise and smoke inhalation, period.

Because, we can't sue Mexico. And if you can't sue people, you can't make statistics to help withstand your claims in a courtroom.

[Skeeter]

A lot of people in Colorado look at it like civil disobedience. Just because there may be negative consequences doesn't turn away all the people who feel like the system needs to be changed.

And I find it amusing that you think anyone who smokes pot cannot be a productive member of society. It's pretty easy to smoke pot recreationally and still be a highly productive member of society. They are probably a lot more recreational pot smokers that you deal with on a daily basis that you realize.

I think you need to reread the post you quoted.

[Arkans]

It's not that they are misunderstood. Somebody that is smoking enough pot to make it a detrement to their life is bad. The same for an alcoholic and the same for the chronic speed user.

The social stigma and means of prohibition come from a different time in history. That's what I meant. The unshowered hippies are not misunderstood at all.

Now, I can agree on the stupid dares. That was poor wording, but aggrevated rape? I mean, I've never read it and I study drugs and pharmacology as a hobby. If there is something out there, I'd love to read it. As it stands, logically, pot heads are either too lazy too rape or can be just as motived to be successful.

In general, though, I think the way marijuana stops people from being materially successful is by laws and sanctions. If you get arrested as a drug offender, it will be a lot harder to get a better job and to advance yourself. It gets even worse if you get caught selling a bit of pot to your friends.

But yes, long term, chronic use is harmful. This applies to any drug. Alcohol, marijuana, methamphetamine, or anything else.

I read in some report, and goddamn I wish I remember, because it brought up a lot of good points. It said that drugs will be supplied by one of three sources. Private enterprise, the government, or criminals. As it stands, for some reason, American are chosing the third option.

- Arkans

[Sean]

I have no problems with pot smokers or even hardcore stoners.. it's Phisheads that I can't stand. When will they realize that Phish sucks and so did most Grateful Dead songs. A song doesn't need a 45 minute jam session to be good.

[Arkans]

Amen to that!

- Arkans

[Gan]

Freebird!

[Gan]

Now, I can agree on the stupid dares. That was poor wording, but aggrevated rape? I mean, I've never read it and I study drugs and pharmacology as a hobby. If there is something out there, I'd love to read it. As it stands, logically, pot heads are either too lazy too rape or can be just as motived to be successful.
Lets just agree that the rape example is a bad example period. Rape underscores an abherrent behavior that is totally unrelated to the consumption of cannibis or alcohol. Add to that repressed (if it is repressed) behavior a catalyst that removes said repression (inhibition) and you've got rape regardless of the type of catalyst involved. Simply put, cannibis and/or alcohol is not the causality of rape - but possibly a catalyst at best.
Unless you're arguing that cannibis does not cause one to lose their inhibitions...



In general, though, I think the way marijuana stops people from being materially successful is by laws and sanctions. If you get arrested as a drug offender, it will be a lot harder to get a better job and to advance yourself. It gets even worse if you get caught selling a bit of pot to your friends.
Or the fact that most abusers are so lazy (drug induced or not) and so out of touch with reality and stuck in the 'metaphysical' or 'magical' world that they couldnt be successful getting out of a paper bag without someone else to do the actual work. But if you want to view the blame as belonging to society instead of the individual, go ahead. Here's where I'll disagree with you, vehemenently.

[urmom]

I smoke weed regularly, and I agree with alot of things said about stoners in this thread. For the most part they are lazy and unmotivated, which is probably why I don't really get along with "potheads". Me, personally, I see it as an alternative. I could be like the suburban white kids I know and do crystal meth and heroin, that would be alot better. Or maybe like my step brothers mom, take so many pills that you wake up 3 days later not knowing where you've been. Yeah, I smoke, but then again I only tend to drink in social situations, out at a casino or at a party. Hell one of my sister's boyfriend's childhood friends just got put into prison, downward spiral of heroin after getting addicted to oxycontin. Now his family, who is rich, has prisoners sending letters to their home address, saying if they don't pay up they are going to kill their kid in prison.

I guess I could be wrong, I guess the fact that I smoke a little weed after work to relax could make me the devil. But then again I have my own car, own place, and in 10 years it's pretty much guaranteed I will be the president of the company unless I go to prison or something completely insane. I've been smoking for 12 years, consistently, and have never gotten arrested, in trouble, or had really much anything happen I would call "bad" other than maybe spilled some food on the floor. How many people can say that about alcohol/pills/whatever?

[urmom]

Anyone who calls it "cannibis" is a huge nerd and I wouldn't trust anything they say about weed. Have you ever even smoked? You sound like a dare ad. IT'S THE REEFER MADNESS.


Or the fact that most abusers are so lazy (drug induced or not) and so out of touch with reality and stuck in the 'metaphysical' or 'magical' world that they couldnt be successful getting out of a paper bag without someone else to do the actual work. But if you want to view the blame as belonging to society instead of the individual, go ahead. Here's where I'll disagree with you, vehemenently.

Haha holy shit, the ignorance in this one paragraph is hilarious. Do you really think pot sends you to some magical alternate reality? You've never actually smoked, have you?

[urmom]

This is me

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[urmom]

Like someone said earlier on in the thread, all the people who actually have jobs that smoke pot, would not be at an event like this. Hell I work at least 40 hours a week, sometimes I need to go in on weekends so it's more. If you're going to make blanket statements about drug users, it only serves to point out your own naivety.

And my job is so awesome I can post like 10 times in a row and not give a fuuuck, gotta love salary. And the two company credit cards. And the 401k. Yeah man stoners are all losers.

[Arkans]

Eh, I don't think pot smokers should hold themselves on some pedestal when comparing themselves to other drug users.

I strongy believe that both heroin and crystal meth are acceptable when used recreationally and sparingly. Of course, it is a lot more difficult to do with those drugs as they are known to be extremely addictive.

It is possible, though. I generally use methamphetamine every weekend. I do go to bed every Sunday night, wake up, go to work, and don't touch the shit on any other day.

I don't think this is any worse than somebody smoking pot every weekend, drinking, or anything else, neither should the stoner think the same about other drugs. It's all about responsible and controlled use. Of course you're going to face deterimental affects of a drug if you use it chronically, that isn't the debate. The debate is it becoming legal and using it recreationally.

- Arkans

[urmom]

I agree with you arkans, I have known people who regularly do coke, x, meth, pretty much anything you can think of, yet they hold regular jobs and are productive members of society. It just pisses me off when people make blanket statements. Anything is bad for you in large amounts, hell drinking too much water can kill you. But to demonize everyone who uses drugs because some people can't control themselves isn't right. My uncle sold weed, only weed, never touched other drugs, yet two black guys broke into his house and killed him for his pot. I've lived with and around it my entire life, I know the consequences better than most.

[BigWorm]

Anyone who calls it "cannibis" is a huge nerd and I wouldn't trust anything they say about weed. Have you ever even smoked? You sound like a dare ad. IT'S THE REEFER MADNESS.



Haha holy shit, the ignorance in this one paragraph is hilarious. Do you really think pot sends you to some magical alternate reality? You've never actually smoked, have you?

Calling it cannabis is kind of a Britishism, as I think it was Stray who said it first. It makes a difference there because there's a lot more hash, and cannabis means specifically greens.

[Arkans]

I agree with making blanket statements. You need to see how much the individual is using, is it causing problems in his or her life? Their health horribly suffering? Drugs aren't some horrible chemical that will kill you or make you an addict right away, but when used irresponsibly, they can. Some do this easier than others, but I will stand by my word and say that marijuana is one of the least destructive substances out there.

- Arkans

[urmom]

I didn't mean any other drug than pot is horrible, it's all a matter of self moderation and how the drug affects you. All drugs affect all people differently. I've been told heroin and meth make you feel better than you could ever feel, but I tried them both and hated the way they made me feel. I never wanted to be like that again. I may have gotten a bit defensive earlier, I've had to defend myself from ignorant people before, so it's nothing new.

[diethx]

Or the fact that most abusers are so lazy (drug induced or not) and so out of touch with reality and stuck in the 'metaphysical' or 'magical' world that they couldnt be successful getting out of a paper bag without someone else to do the actual work.


Haha holy shit, the ignorance in this one paragraph is hilarious. Do you really think pot sends you to some magical alternate reality? You've never actually smoked, have you?

I have to agree with urmom here. Pot doesn't make you out of touch with reality or make you stuck in some "metaphysical" or "magical" world. Not even close. I smoked for a long time on a regular basis, although I did quit 4 years ago because it started making me paranoid, which wasn't fun. Anyway, while other drugs may have similar effects to what you described, Gan, you got it so wrong if you were talking about weed.

[Gan]

Anyone who calls it "cannibis" is a huge nerd and I wouldn't trust anything they say about weed. Have you ever even smoked? You sound like a dare ad. IT'S THE REEFER MADNESS.



Haha holy shit, the ignorance in this one paragraph is hilarious. Do you really think pot sends you to some magical alternate reality? You've never actually smoked, have you?

Never had the urge to smoke. I have been associated with many people who have. And if I sound like a dare ad, you sound like the guardian of all that is truth and light about pot, hash, weed, mary jane, cannibis, etc. Funny that the reference to the drug, even by its less colloquial name, gives cause for you to automatically discount what I've stated. Thanks for your stellar input - pothead.
:clap:

[Gan]

And my job is so awesome I can post like 10 times in a row and not give a fuuuck, gotta love salary. And the two company credit cards. And the 401k. Yeah man stoners are all losers.

And I bet you're tall, dark, handsome, have a huge dick, 50 girlfriends who put out every night, drive an itallian sports car, and have a huge stock portfolio. Because, you know, everything you read on the internet is the truth. Yea. Whatever.

:lol:

PS. Do you also own an RX-7?

[urmom]

I figured you would believe anything I said, you believe everything about drugs without actually trying them, so it's right in line with the rest of your ignorant bullshit. And yeah it matters what a bunch of people on some game message board think, you got me dead on. hahaha

[Gan]

I have to agree with urmom here. Pot doesn't make you out of touch with reality or make you stuck in some "metaphysical" or "magical" world. Not even close. I smoked for a long time on a regular basis, although I did quit 4 years ago because it started making me paranoid, which wasn't fun. Anyway, while other drugs may have similar effects to what you described, Gan, you got it so wrong if you were talking about weed.

So you're saying that nobody who has ever smoked pot has ever felt introspective, waxy poetic, emotional, in touch with their 'metaphysical' self, or at times even 'magical'? Seriously? Especially when THC is closely associated with being a hallucinogen, one would expect that to be a frequent if downright common symptom of its consumption.

And dont construe my posting of this article as if you smoke pot = you're a loser. I've never said that. I just dont like being around most people who do smoke it more than one joint a weekend.

If you require a joint (or a sixpack) a day to unwind, relax, or escape reality then you've got greater problems than what negative healt effects come from its consumption. And those problems are what I decidedly choose not to be around.

[Gan]

I figured you would believe anything I said, you believe everything about drugs without actually trying them, so it's right in line with the rest of your ignorant bullshit. And yeah it matters what a bunch of people on some game message board think, you got me dead on. hahaha


Awesome post. Almost sigworthy... Almost.

Keep trying though!

[urmom]

Wow you're more ignorant than I thought, and an idiot as well. Good job on being a funless loser with no friends.

[Gan]

And yet you still respond. Looks like I hit a nerve.

All of a sudden you know me and think I'm friendless?

[Arkans]

What is so wrong about being introspective, poetic, or emotional?

- Arkans

[urmom]

Just copying your pattern of ignorant blanket statements, and yeah being bored on my lunch break means you're getting to me soooo hard. Unf unf. This is like talking to a suburban white kid about what it's like to grow up in the ghetto.

[Gan]

What is so wrong about being introspective, poetic, or emotional?

- Arkans

Is this where we refer to your former avatar of you dressed up in makeup like Boy George?

[Gan]

Just copying your pattern of ignorant blanket statements, and yeah being bored on my lunch break means you're getting to me soooo hard. Unf unf. This is like talking to a suburban white kid about what it's like to grow up in the ghetto.

Wait, you're going to be CEO in 10 years and for now you can only post on an internet forum during your lunch break?


Excuse me while I get out of the way of the ROFFLECOPTER that just zoomed by.

[urmom]

Yes I will be president, whether your stupid ass believes it or not. It's a small company, but we made over 2million last year, so fuck off you ignorant cunt.

[Gan]

Yes I will be president, whether your stupid ass believes it or not. It's a small company, but we made over 2million last year, so fuck off you ignorant cunt.

Quoted for retention when you get even more mad and start deleting your posts.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are truly the role model. I stand in awe of your accomplishments, both present and future.

[urmom]

Gan
This message is hidden because Gan is on your ignore list.

Touche.

[Gan]

Gan
This message is hidden because Gan is on your ignore list.

Touche.

When all else fails (logic, reason, common sense) after you attack another poster you can always simply ignore the other participant in the discussion.

Thanks for the laugh.

:clap:

[Sean]

Urmom just makes stoners look bad.

[Latrinsorm]

you believe everything about drugs without actually trying themYeah, I heard if I shoot people in the head with a .30-30 it'll kill them but until I actually try it I'm not going to believe it. Want to volunteer?

[Gan]

HEY MAN! GET OFF URMOM!!!

He's going to be like CEO or something of a 2 million dollar company in like, ten years or so...

...dude, do you have any Fritos?

[Gan]

Yeah, I heard if I shoot people in the head with a .30-30 it'll kill them but until I actually try it I'm not going to believe it. Want to volunteer?

I can provide the .30-30.

Winchester model 94 (pre-saftey change).

[urmom]

I guess I'm wrong, being a productive member of society and able to manage my life makes no difference, I smoke the devil weed I must be pure evil. DARE was right, fuck real world experiences.

[Latrinsorm]

I guess I'm wrong, being a productive member of society and able to manage my life makes no difference, I smoke the devil weed I must be pure evil. DARE was right, fuck real world experiences.So first you make a false dichotomy and then make the same argument as "well I smoked cigarettes for 50 years and never got cancer"? Nice.

[urmom]

You don't understand sarcasm do you?

[diethx]

So you're saying that nobody who has ever smoked pot has ever felt introspective, waxy poetic, emotional, in touch with their 'metaphysical' self, or at times even 'magical'?

Introspective? Sure. The rest sounds more like ecstasy to me, and as someone who smoked for probably 8 years on a regular basis and was friends with and/or knew many more who were the same way, I can honestly say that none of us ever got out of touch with reality or were stuck in some magical/metaphysical world after smoking. It just doesn't have that effect.


If you require a joint (or a sixpack) a day to unwind, relax, or escape reality then you've got greater problems than what negative healt effects come from its consumption.

This is half agree with. I see nothing wrong with smoking a joint or a bowl or whatever when you get home from work/school/responsibilities to relax and unwind, because it's really great for that purpose. However, if you're doing any drugs solely to escape reality, you've got a serious problem.


Urmom just makes stoners look bad.

Agreed :/

[urmom]

I hope the irony of you folks talking about escaping reality isn't lost, but I will say this. I spend maybe 60 dollars a month on weed, smoke 3-4 grams a month at most, and I tend to only smoke with my sister and her boyfriend. If you want to call me a stoner or whatever, that's fine, that is your opinion. I spend more money and time playing video games than smoking weed. I would assume most here do too.

[Miss Ismurii]

Wow you're more ignorant than I thought, and an idiot as well. Good job on being a funless loser with no friends.


yeah really the whole friendless thing you said was pretty lame.

[Miss Ismurii]

I hope the irony of you folks talking about escaping reality isn't lost, but I will say this. I spend maybe 60 dollars a month on weed, smoke 3-4 grams a month at most, and I tend to only smoke with my sister and her boyfriend. If you want to call me a stoner or whatever, that's fine, that is your opinion. I spend more money and time playing video games than smoking weed. I would assume most here do too.

and 60 a month isn't bad at all. At least you aren't bad like my EX who smoked like 120 dollars worth of pot each WEEK =EW.


I smoke occasionally. But with only 60 dollars worth each month doesn't "qualify" as a stoner, so I'm told. But the kids who are hardcore into it are pretty lame because they don't think about anything else really besides weed and food ha.

[Apathy]

AP WASHINGTON, DC—Seeking to "narrow the focus of the drug war to the true enemy," Congress passed a bill legalizing drug use for the gainfully employed Monday.
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"Stockbrokers, lawyers, English professors... you're not the problem here," said DEA Administrator Asa Hutchinson at a White House press conference. "If you are paying taxes and keeping your yard tidy, we're not going to hassle you if you come home from a hard day of work and want to enjoy a little pot or blow. But if, on the other hand, you're one of these lazy, shiftless types hanging out on the street all day looking for your next high, we're coming after you."

The new law, which goes into effect May 1, will enable police departments and courts to focus on what Hutchinson called "the real drug offenders."

"There's no point going after some cardiac surgeon who needs some speed to keep him sharp," Hutchinson said. "That's not what the law was intended to prevent. But the more destructive drug users—the addict who spends his welfare money on crack, the guy in Harlem who smokes marijuana—that is something that we as a society must not tolerate."

According to Drug Czar John P. Walters, the legislation should have a beneficial effect on the health of the American people.

"As a result of this new law, we expect use of addictive, harmful drugs like heroin and crack—those statistically more likely to be linked to unemployment—to drop," Walters said. "Meanwhile, decent people with good jobs can continue their responsible use of milder drugs like E and cocaine in peace."

Walters said the new legislation will make it significantly easier to fight the drug war. The nation's courts will not be clogged with cases involving club kids caught with "Vitamin K" or doctors prescribing Vicodin to rich housewives. More money can be freed up to build prisons to keep chronically unemployed addicts in jail and off the streets—the only statistically proven method of improving an addict's chance of recovery.

"Clearly, a lot of people doing drugs simply cannot handle them," Walters said. "We've got to get the drugs out of the hands of these people, and give them back to the weekend user."

The law, Hutchinson noted, will also help protect the nation's poor and unemployed, who are not as equipped to handle the effects of drug addiction as their more affluent counterparts.

"Drugs are addictive, and that's true whether you're a ghetto gang member or a Harvard-educated entertainment lawyer," Hutchinson said. "But the cold, hard truth is, if the ghetto kid gets hooked, he isn't going to clean up in a rehab clinic in Palm Springs and maybe even become president, now, is he? That's why we need to protect the less fortunate among us with the threat of arrest and incarceration."

The U.S. economy also stands to benefit. Initial surveys indicate that the threat of jail will motivate recreational drug users to seek employment, reducing the nation's welfare rolls.

"Legal weed versus jail?" asked Cory Everly, 23, an unemployed Austin, TX, singer-songwriter. "I am so totally going down to the sub shop today to ask Rudy for my job back."

Added Everly: "Rudy's my boss... at the sub shop."

"The new American motto is 'Work Hard, Play Hard,'" Hutchinson said. "Do a few bumps of coke at your gay friend's party. Go to your be-in or your Lollapalooza rave or whatever it's called this year. But you'd better make it in to work on Monday, buddy, or you're going to jail."

"Sorry if some of my comments have been a bit rambling and unfocused," Hutchinson added. "I'm a little high right now."

[SolitareConfinement]

just fucking wow @ this thread

[Arkans]

That avatar was a photoshop. A good one, but a photoshop indeed. What's that have anything to do with the conversation at hand, though?

- Arkans

PS: That article for the win

[Keller]

and 60 a month isn't bad at all. At least you aren't bad like my EX who smoked like 120 dollars worth of pot each WEEK =EW.


A quad of kush every week is just wasteful. Did he not have a job?

[SolitareConfinement]

A quad of kush every week is just wasteful. Did he not have a job?

quad of kush? is that an oz? cuz thats the way i figure it... at least prices around here dictate 120 dollars = an ounce... I've been buying weed for 10 years as my "beer after work" and never heard a quad of kush before heh

[Keller]

quad of kush? is that an oz? cuz thats the way i figure it... at least prices around here dictate 120 dollars = an ounce... I've been buying weed for 10 years as my "beer after work" and never heard a quad of kush before heh

A quad is a quarter. And kush is generally your superior pot, runs 60+/eighth.

"Work" is going to be your 40-50/eighth pot.

What you're buying is dirt weed. Mostly purchased by people over 35 who grew up in the age before pot horticulture thrived. I'm not trying to demean your choice -- that's just what I've heard it called. If it works for you -- great!

Edited to add: Kush is actually a specific strain, but more colloquially implies superior pot.

[SolitareConfinement]

What you're buying is dirt weed. Mostly purchased by people over 35 who grew up in the age before pot horticulture thrived. I'm not trying to demean your choice -- that's just what I've heard it called. If it works for you -- great!



actually here...its not dirt at all, its decent.. not a kine or NL strain obviously, but i still get 2-2.5 grams of solid keef hash every half ounce.... there is how ever a strain that is nasty around here that IS dirt and that goes for 60 an ounce. reason cheapness is a factor with my situation is buying from a supplier in a very very very large city. it seems in the ghetto n such weed prices are a lot cheaper than suburbia. not to demean your choice but you're WAY over paying for your "superior" weed

[Keller]

actually here...its not dirt at all, its decent.. not a kine or NL strain obviously, but i still get 2-2.5 grams of solid keef hash every half ounce.... there is how ever a strain that is nasty around here that IS dirt and that goes for 60 an ounce. reason cheapness is a factor with my situation is buying from a supplier in a very very very large city. it seems in the ghetto n such weed prices are a lot cheaper than suburbia. not to demean your choice but you're WAY over paying for your "superior" weed

Meh -- I buy from a source I really trust and like. He generally delivers premium pot. I also buy small quantities every month or so and I'm pretty sure he's doing me a favor and is not a full-time dealer -- so he's not getting the best price and still needs to turn a profit.

Sounds like you've got a great deal though. I'd keep that up. =)

[SolitareConfinement]

I'm pretty sure he's doing me a favor and is not a full-time dealer -- so he's not getting the best price and still needs to turn a profit.

im actually the SAME way i have my cousin buy mine for me when he swings to get his i buy once a month and all reality i buy 1 half for a month at 50 bucks...

but thats really the name of the game, turning a profit...and with weed at least around here, its actually very hard to turn a profit on it. our market seems to be flooded with it. yet another reason for cheap prices heh

[TheEschaton]

How've prices been in the past decade? Haven't bought since 99, and back then I could get a quarter of kush for about 70-80. Maybe Buffalo was a dirt weed kind of place, couldn't find the market for the good stuff.

[Gan]

Wait a minute... I see an opportunity here.

www.kushshops.com (http://www.kushshops.com)

[Arkans]

When I was selling pot in college I'd usually pick up a QP of decent bisters for $800 or so.

Translates into a solid $200 per ounce and $50 for each quarter.

This was a bit over a year ago and in the Boston area. One thing about any drug is the prices vary greatly across region as does quality.

For example, heroin prices are a lot lower and purity higher in the Northeast (Guess Newark is good for something!) and the exact opposite is true for methamphetamine, with purity higher and prices lower on the west coast (it's practically non-existant out in the NE).

- Arkans

[Keller]

I think $50/eighth is a normal price for bisters (B.C. bud). You're going to pay a premium on kush though.

[Arkans]

I always sold my eighths of bisters for $35, but then again, this was to college kids. You need to consider who you do your business with, as well.

My boy that still does sell would probably get me a solid eighth of kush for anywhere between $70-$80, though. It depends on what he payed, of course.

- Arkans

[BigWorm]

bisters you say like B-Sters? Like, right below kind?

In Missouri, there is a big difference in price on the west side of the state (Kansas City) and the east side (St. Louis). I guess because KC is one of the first major cities east of Colorado, where a lot of organized indoor growing happens, it gets a really good supply of quality stuff. But here on the other side of the state, it usually requires an extra person in the middle to take it across the state, so we get taxed more on the end product. When I was in college at Mizzou in Columbia, which is roughly at the midpoint of the trip from STL to KC, I figured out pretty quickly that the dealers from KC could give me much better deals.

[Arkans]

Yes, pronounced exactly like that.

- Arkans

[Miss Ismurii]

A quad of kush every week is just wasteful. Did he not have a job?

No. He said he got it for free from his best friend or something like that. Still he was one of those losers who were like "OMGZ YEAH! I'M A STONER!" just for the attention and he just looked dumb.

[Crazy Bard]

quad of kush? is that an oz? cuz thats the way i figure it... at least prices around here dictate 120 dollars = an ounce... I've been buying weed for 10 years as my "beer after work" and never heard a quad of kush before heh

Where the fuck do you buy a ounce for 120?

[Stanley Burrell]

My glaucoma.

[Sean]

Scenesters never look dumb...

[BigWorm]

Where the fuck do you buy a ounce for 120?

$120 is pretty common for reg or brick. The closer you live to the border with Mexico, the cheaper I would think it would be since that's where a lot of it comes from. At least that was my experience in Texas/Louisiana.

[Stanley Burrell]

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3255/loldogbx3.gif

Edited to add a picture of a golden retriever puppy playing with a yo-yo. Frickin' mesmerizing, at that.

[Miss Ismurii]

Yeah, it's pretty gay. But I wanted 100th post. So fuck you, fuck your family, fuck your mom, but, especially, fuck your dad. Because this post is homo.



Now that isn't very nice...

[Stanley Burrell]

I never told anyone "fuck their dog."

That would've been over the top.

You know what, I'm gonna make a friendly edit.

[SolitareConfinement]

Where the fuck do you buy a ounce for 120?



actually Michigan... original source is British Columbia...my personal source is from Detroit though and i don't pay 120 an o....i pay 100 an O. Someone said something about old hippies and what not? well not even close ahahaha some brother from the hood be who the connection from D is


now, around here in Michigan if you want some pretty decent home grown not quite like your insane strains like (KB, NL, etc) but very nice dope, that will be about 160 an ounce. The most expensive weed around here right now is 300 an ounce and that is a purple haze/northern lights cross strain. definitely not worth the 300 an ounce. i can get higher for cheaper off the lower strains than the 300 shit. Just have to smoke a little more of the lower strains heh but still doesn't break down to 20 bucks a damn gram cost

[Miss Ismurii]

I never told anyone "fuck their dog."

That would've been over the top.

You know what, I'm gonna make a friendly edit.

LMAO I love it