Random questions

[stickyfingers]

Been gone for a while, couple years and my memory on somethings is bad, so had a few questions.

With heavier armor, if properly trained in it, do you still receive hinderences to hiding and combat maneuvers? Like does training in it reduce it completely or does it just reduce it to the minimum. I'm currettly put alot of points into armor training so I can wear Hauberk as soon as possible, but I'm not sure on how that works and whether I would be better of with my brig.

With wspec1-3, can you put them all into same weapon type if you wanted to, or do they all have to be different.

Beyond that I'm just curious as to what cmans other rogues use and how many ranks. I have smaster surge and silentstrike cmobility at the moment, and I used to have cutthroat, garrote, and suckerpunch before, but haven't really tried any the other ones. I'm wondering how the other ones are.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Stun maneuver is really the only rogue cman you're missing... wspec2 and 3 are there for alt bases only, no stacking, and I know plenty of rogues who swear by brig, or high end chain.

No idea as to hiding penalties and such, but I'd imagine plate is only needed for those who stay in the open. MBP maybe...

[Bobmuhthol]

<<With heavier armor, if properly trained in it, do you still receive hinderences to hiding and combat maneuvers?>>

There were never hiding hinderances. Maneuver penalties are minimized, but it's still easier to dodge things with lighter/no armor.

<<I'm currettly put alot of points into armor training so I can wear Hauberk as soon as possible, but I'm not sure on how that works and whether I would be better of with my brig.>>

If you're a melee rogue, absolutely keep training in armor whenever possible.

<<With wspec1-3, can you put them all into same weapon type if you wanted to, or do they all have to be different.>>

Different.

[stickyfingers]

stunman I have from guild already, not master yet though, but I didn't think it would stack in the effectiveness of just doing it from guild.

[stickyfingers]

Maneuver penalties are minimized, but it's still easier to dodge things with lighter/no armor.
So its minimized, so being completely trained and wearing hauberk the minimum is going to be higher then being completely trained and wearing brig? Or is the minimum the same(doubtful).

[StrayRogue]

Stunman sucks anyway.

[BigWorm]

Stunman sucks anyway.

Yeah, but a few simple changes would make it much more effective. Just make it easier to pull one off and let us go through doors/portals with stunm move.

[StrayRogue]

It was one of the few CMAN's that DIDN'T get a massive touch up during the last CMAN update years ago, despite rogues screaming for it, and warriors getting an imba upgrade to berserk.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So its minimized, so being completely trained and wearing hauberk the minimum is going to be higher then being completely trained and wearing brig? Or is the minimum the same(doubtful).>>

Brig is slightly easier to maneuver in, but the benefit is far inferior to the benefits of hauberk.

PS. Fuck hauberk, just wear MBP.

[Deathravin]

I was thinking about that... Are the benefits from the less damage factor of MBP worth having the -8-14 AvD?

[Asha]

plate ftw :)

[Blushy]

I was thinking about that... Are the benefits from the less damage factor of MBP worth having the -8-14 AvD?
Yes, yes, yes, especially with the redux you'll have by then.

[Audriana]

Well it's the same training for both I guess so double chain is bloody worthless then.

[Blushy]

Well it's the same training for both I guess so double chain is bloody worthless then.
It's possible that the armor/maneuver hinderances might be more important to you than the DF/crit divisor, but probably not.

[Drisco]

I never could bring myself to wear anything that doesn't cover Head to Toe. Like wtf am I gonna do in MBP if I get hit in the head, neck or limbs? Brig or Hauberk ftw.

Also... Why I am here gonna sneak in a question or two. What are the needed ranks to have minimum hindrance in Hauberk and Brig and does wearing heavier armor hinder a rogue who hides and ambushes?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Like wtf am I gonna do in MBP if I get hit in the head, neck or limbs? Brig or Hauberk ftw.>>

It must suck to not understand how armor works...

<<What are the needed ranks to have minimum hindrance in Hauberk and Brig>>

80 and 30 respectively, IIRC.

[Drisco]

Heh Explain what I am missing with the MBP.. I have no idea how armor works considering I only play casters who wear fulls and double leathers. Elaborate Plz.

[BigWorm]

MBP = plate coverage for torso, chain coverage everywhere else.

So MBP > Hauberk for everything except spell hinderance.

[Drisco]

Yep got it.

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Armor ftw.


How many ranks for MBP?

[Khariz]

80 if you aren't taking any spell hindrance into account.

[Audriana]

Very cool... Can't believe I'll be in plate ><.

It's chain coverage everywhere else, but you still get the plate damage factor for everywhere, but you get the chain crit divisor for where it's not covering. That's really cool.

[BigWorm]

You get plate DFs everywhere, but chain crit divisor every where except torso, where you get plate.

[Mtenda]

Don't forget you also get the improved CVA from wearing plate. One of the best reasons to wear MBP as it addresses one of the biggest weaknesses of a rogue.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Does anyone really wear brig anymore? I mean, it's 10 more ranks to get into chain shirt right? The DF and AVD are so much better on chain I just can't see wearing brig instead of chain shirt.

Same with Hauberk really... why not just jump to Breastplate?

[Stunseed]

If you want to cast, you're going to stay into Hauberk.

The jump from brig to torso chain is more of a tricky one, for some people the AvD differential can be high ( like up to +12 or some crazy shit ) in the advantage for brig.

[Blushy]

The jump from brig to torso chain is more of a tricky one, for some people the AvD differential can be high ( like up to +12 or some crazy shit ) in the advantage for brig.
Yeah, the AvD advantage that brig has over torso chain is pretty hefty, and the DFs for chain aren't that much better, generally, than for scale (in fact, in a surprising number of cases, they're actually worse). These two things combined mean that you have to be getting hit harder than you might think in order to be better off in AsG 13 than in AsG 12. The CvA jump is 8, though, which might be significant to you.

[Mtenda]

Brig is better than a chain shirt for for casting spells, AVD, and manuevering, but the best reason may be that you can have a high level ranger imbue your brig with resist nature. My rogue sits on 80 ranks of armor training and for the most part likes his MBP but occasionally will slip on the brig for the right circumstances.