Blade's Tower

[That Jay]

So supposedly the Dark Tower in Icemule to be raffled off during the Wonders of Elanthia event belong(s/ed) to Blades.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=12&topic=32&message=311

"Hmm interesting...I surely hope the GMs are intending on telling me this. Considering Blades is wearing the key to the tower around his neck. Whoever is in charge of this sale of my tower. I'd appreciate some information. Got to be kidding me.

Justin (Blades)"

Naturally they shut down discussion of the matter on the official boards.

So anyone else have any more information on how this came to be or what Simu is doing to rectify the goof?

[thefarmer]

I just assumed the old bastard let it go.

Shitty.

[Fallen]

Yeah, it is fucked up. I remember this situation playing out before some years ago. It would be a mistake to take his tower.

[Belnia]

Have you been logging in to pay the rent on it?

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Either:
A) He's a douchebag who hardly even plays, and rarely (if ever) goes into the place...
or
B) The gms fucked up.

I'm assuming B, though I can't say A would be too far out of the realm of possibility, judged solely on the basis of the dozens of people who hoard crap they never are around to use. Either way, this is kind of stupidity.

Two weeks from now, they'll be raffling Plur's pub, no doubt!

[Hips]

Pshh, they can't raffle Plur's pub, since it's part of their MHO building.

Plus Michiko would kill the owner unless they kept her in steady supply of that plum wine.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Well, I don't really see how raffling the tower is any different? Isn't it pretty much some kind of lore-filled uber house of doom? At any rate, unless the tard wasn't paying rent, this is insane.

[thefarmer]

Blades' tower and Plur's pub are vastly different in terms of history and time in the game.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

...it was a joke, people. Christ.

[Elvenlady]

"The Dark Tower property was repossessed several months ago due to excessive past due rent in accordance with the policy surrounding Private Properties. Once rent is failed to be paid for more than three months, it defaults and becomes repossessed.

That said, we've opted to give the past owner a final chance and have returned the property.

The Dark Tower will still be sold in Platinum, as there is no current owner. And I'll post info later today on the property that we will be replacing the raffle for in Prime."

~ Lothwyn

[B2]

I am pleasantly surprised by this result.

I mean, it's one thing to rerelease these properties because the owner's been gone for 10 years.

It's another when he hasn't.

[Fallen]

The guy is active duty, so yeah, sometimes it is tough to log in and pay rent.

[Fallen]

Perigourd is currently leading the charge to have Lothwyn's decision reversed.

[Daniel]

Perigourd is currently leading the charge to be named dickhead of the year.

Fixed.

[Sean]

Shh you're going to get Khariz all worked up.

[Some Rogue]

Why isn't it done like playershop rent and just taken out? Does he actually have to go all the way to Icemule to pay it every month?

and LOL @ this

"The Dark Tower will still be sold in Platinum, as there is no current owner."

Yet they declined to sell the Prestidigitorium because it has history and they want it to be a museum even though the character from Prime never existed in Plat so it has no history there.

[TheEschaton]

Wait, Peri wants the tower raffled?

What a dick.

What about all the old workshops, are they going to raffle those off too, eventually? Those didn't have rent on them, did they?

What's this policy on Private Property?

[Some Rogue]

Perigourd is currently leading the charge to have Lothwyn's decision reversed.


Gee, I wonder why....maybe because he's from Icemule and wants the property opened up close to his hometown?

[thefarmer]

and LOL @ this

"The Dark Tower will still be sold in Platinum, as there is no current owner."

Yet they declined to sell the Prestidigitorium because it has history and they want it to be a museum even though the character from Prime never existed in Plat so it has no history there.

It all depends on who complains to their gm friends at to what happens.

[Daniel]

Shh you're going to get Khariz all worked up.

Peri = Khariz?

Explains so much.

[TheEschaton]

No, but he's a member of Peri's jock-hanging club.

[TheWitch]

From the officials::::

<<Life's not fair and different situations require different responses>>

This however isn't life, this is a game, a game with rules meant to instill fairness. The guidelines for rent are meant to be fair and equal for everyone. The why you fail to pay the rent isn't supposed to matter unless it's done in error by a game bug. It certainly hasn't mattered for people who failed to pay it before, and it shouldn't now. Not unless they plan to restore all property lost to rent, because I'm sure those who lost it and want it back can give you just as touching or believable an excuse as any possible excuse could have been given for this tower.

Reminds me of Gilbert and Sullivan, "Have you ever known what it is to be an orphan..?"

<<And unless you're a GM, or have friends on staff that are BOTH handling this situation AND informing you of all their actions, I think your claim is hasty and uninformed.>>

If the rent wasn't paid and wasn't charged by a game bug or mechanical error, I see no reason why the property shouldn't be repossessed if it's for failure to pay rent and not a game bug. As I said above, the why it wasn't paid shouldn't even matter outside of game bugs. Just the fact that it wasn't paid. People are informed that their properties have upkeep and have every opportunity to pay it or find a means of having someone else handle it for them.

It's not fair to other people who have lost property to the rent system. That is just my opinion, take it for what you will.

-Perigourd's Player.
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Having found the right thread, go me.

I can't respond on the officials, because it will just get pulled.

Perigourd, STFU. Who's enforcing your precious sense of "fairness" when you're quest-whoring your way around the realm, effectivey shutting virtually anyone but your chosen few out from participation?

Now a few lines of text have you all bunched up. Yea, he didn't pay his rent. Maybe because he's trying to NOT get his ass shot off in Iraq? Maybe because there was a bug - but hold the phone - no one told your stupid ass? Because despite all you best efforts, this ain't PeriMissstone yet!

Deal with it.

[Some Rogue]

God, he is coming off as such the raging douchebag in that thread. Were that tower not in Icemule, I bet he wouldn't be nearly as concerned with fairness.

[Asha]

I would have definitely still posted that on the officials just without the swearing.
That's almost exactly what I'd have given the obnoxious prick.

[thefarmer]

Perigourd is only concerned with blatant fairness toward Perigourd.

[StrayRogue]

Blades is a legend, and that tower is part of his legend. As far as I'm aware the rent paying thing is new (as in the last few years). It should be automatic, like the playershops. It was dumb they took it from him without even talking to him about it.

Peri is just a fucking wankshaft for wanting a part of Icemule history, something that has been around a hell of a lot longer than him and his raging homo posse, changed.

[septus]

Blades is a legend, and that tower is part of his legend. As far as I'm aware the rent paying thing is new (as in the last few years). It should be automatic, like the playershops. It was dumb they took it from him without even talking to him about it.

Peri is just a fucking wankshaft for wanting a part of Icemule history, something that has been around a hell of a lot longer than him and his raging homo posse, changed.

You've always had to pay rent on private property. That's why most of them have rent boxes outside.

[That Jay]

You've always had to pay rent on private property. That's why most of them have rent boxes outside.

No, you haven't.

I once owned Tigerfang Redoubt for a time. Its the red door near Pinefar.

It was one of 8 properties sold at an auction to one of each profession years and years ago. All of them were initially released WITHOUT rent boxes or the requirement for them.

I believe the tower may have also been from this same auction.

[Warriorbird]

I picture Khariz making a "Stop Hating on Perigourd!" Youtube video soon.

[Rathgar]

You should ask Peri if he ever spent 3 months in Fallujah.

[NocturnalRob]

You should ask Peri if he ever spent 3 months in Fallujah.

No, but he braves the bitter cold of Icemule every day!!!1!!!11!

[Some Rogue]

I picture Khariz making a "Stop Hating on Perigourd!" Youtube video soon.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/britney.jpg

LEAVE PERI ALONE!

[Khariz]

Shh you're going to get Khariz all worked up.

Nah, Perigourds player being an obvious asshole here is much different than my discussions on Perigourd the character in the game.

[Farquar]

Whatever Perigord's motive is, however greedy or questwhorish he is, he is dead spot on here. Put down the kool-aid you're been drinking and let me explain.

I analogize the tower situation with the following fact pattern: A one armed kid playing gemstone gets a cramp in his good arm while hunting, and loses a prized and "historic" weapon in a disarm. Someone else finds the weapon. What result?

Here, as in the Blades situation, an individual, through a specific game mechanic meant to cause attrition, loses a valuable property. The reason for the loss is a "tear-jerker." The issue is whether extrinsic factors that apply to a select few override game mechanics that apply to everyone.

Browsing these posts, I have keyed in on two favored extrinsic reasons: 1) he's in the military; and 2) the item and player is well known.

But the notion that extrinsic factors can affect universally applied game mechanics is inconsistent with the idea of fair play.

First of all, it forces GMs into the untenable situation of making value judgments about what reasons are compassionate ones and which ones lack merit. These decisions, while in some cases producing emotionally acceptable results, will ultimately result in less clarity in a player's in-game obligation and a shift from satisfying those in-game conditions to "litigating" their cases out of game (e.g. screw paying rent, I'll just tell em my dog died). Imposing a bright-line rule may result in "sad panda" outcomes, but the consequences become clear, and so are the actions required to avoid them (you miss rent, you lose house).

Secondly, no one can argue that allowing a player's status or an item's rarity influence a valid game mechanic is fair. I don't know the breakdowns of wealth in the game, but I suspect it mirrors the real world in pareto-esque fashion: 80% of the wealth belongs to 20% of the people. So to say that greater rights and benefits with respect to game mechanics (over those that the items themselves permit) inure to those 20% purely by virtue of the wealth they own is the definition of inequality.

A manifest injustice had already occurred when the GMs even chose to "hear" Blades's case. Would one account guy who has been playing for a year or two receive the same level of deference if he loses his tiny, nondescript house? Should he?

You can say no, but you can never really gripe about some bigshot getting a helping hand or getting on an alter list again.

[StrayRogue]

You're arguing under one false assumption. GS isn't fair. Considering they'll just release another house or make a new one altogether, I don't see why fucking douchebags like you or Peri are happy about an old, loyal, and decent player getting the fucking shaft. Yeah you could argue he's in the military, but that means shit to me. What matters is he is being fucked over for a mistake he's made.

Now if you want to be cold, caluculating and completely 100% "fair", fine. Just fucking imply that logic to the rest of the game; not in dribs and drabs. Personally, were I a GM, I'd argue that sometimes the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many, and that this is one of those cases.

As an aside, what I find remarkable is, considering how most GM's are ex-players, the general attitude of absolute stingyness compared to the likes of WoW GMs. Christ the amount of assistance I've had from the WoW GMs when it comes to making noob mistakes like selecting the wrong quest reward, greeding when I should have needed etc, is insane compared to the amount of "no, it's gone, you've made a mistake and we don't help people" garbage that a lot of GS GM's give. This is one of the few cases where they've actually not become tightasses, and realized that bending the rules actually makes things better in some cases.

BTW Your facts about real world wealth are wrong too.

[g++]

Were not talking about supply and demand or the nature of capitolism here, they are either going to sell Blades house or let Blades keep his and make another. Your argument would work if the GM's said "Were not giving Blades his house back" and everyone was like awwwww then you would be right and we could eventually agree mechanics were enforced. Instead the GM's said Blades could keep his house and Peri is trying to make sure Blades gets screwed over so he can steal his house. The discussion goes beyond whether its good or bad to give Blades the house back, it speaks to Peri's character that he chose to make an issue of it.

[Sylph]

Yes Farq, but for every rule, there are circumstances which allow some things to happen.

You have to also remember that we, the players, are human beings and not robots. We don't have automatic actions programmed in, like playing a video game and paying rent on an IG property, which would just make it all easier.

Also, how long has Blades' been a customer? A ruling against such a thing could cause a very long term customer to cease spending his money at your shop.

When I am 'wronged' by a business in real life, I would never return. What would I do to a business in the internet world? I would undoubtably make sure everyone else I know, who may or may not be a customer, of the perceived injustice of the situation.

It could lose valuable dollars to Simutronics whom is trying to continue to invest in a dying game.

[Joe]

Naturally they shut down discussion of the matter on the official boards.


Naturally, you're not paying attention. They moved it to Discussions.

[Farquar]

You're arguing under one false assumption. GS isn't fair. Considering they'll just release another house or make a new one altogether, I don't see why fucking douchebags like you or Peri are happy about an old, loyal, and decent player getting the fucking shaft. Yeah you could argue he's in the military, but that means shit to me. What matters is he is being fucked over for a mistake he's made.

...

BTW Your facts about real world wealth are wrong too.

Yeah I never argued or assumed that the game is fair. I argued that the actions in this case were inconsistent with the notion of a fair game.

But you don't need to get emotional here. I couldn't care less either way.

And did you not get the meaning of "pareto-esque" and the distinction between a fact and an analytical model? Geez.

[AnticorRifling]

Why not let him keep his epeen/tower and just make a new one in the surrounding neighborhood to auction off?

[StrayRogue]

Swearing does not = emotional.

And it doesn't change the fact that fools like you and Peri want Blades screwed out of his house. Argue it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's totally unjust considering No One else in the game will lose anything, save for Blades himself.

[StrayRogue]

Why not let him keep his epeen/tower and just make a new one in the surrounding neighborhood to auction off?

This is the plan. Peri and Farquar don't want this to happen though.

[Joe]

Why not let him keep his epeen/tower and just make a new one in the surrounding neighborhood to auction off?

It'd have to be a mini-tower if it's in Icemule due to shrinkage. ;)

[AnticorRifling]

If they don't make rent automatic like player shops could they put a feature/check in place that when you log in you have one hour (or set length of time) to pay any dept you have in arrears before forfeiture of property?

[Rathgar]

What would be really cool is a tower or mansion that phases in and out to different places in Elanthia. Like one day it's in Icemule and the next day it appears on Teras etc.

[AnticorRifling]

That would be great....until you wanted to go to your house and had to find it.

[Rathgar]

That would be great....until you wanted to go to your house and had to find it.

:rofl:

Yeah, well I was thinking the owner of the house had a key that acted like a teleport device (like the mein key for DS).

[Farquar]

I wasn't aware that they were making a second tower, but I don't think that's relevant. At the end of it all, a concession was made for a well-known player.

Ultimately, that's the decision of the player base. If they want to suffer the kind of game where in-game breaks are given to a select few, then more power to them. I was just trying to have an academic discussion.

But I'm willing to take the test case to "court" where an unknown/unpopular player loses a house because they failed to pay rent.

[thefarmer]

At the end of it all, a concession was made for a well-known player.

...

But I'm willing to take the test case to "court" where an unknown/unpopular player loses a house because they failed to pay rent.

Are you just jealous because you have no friends and nobody knows who the fuck you are?

[AnticorRifling]

I know when I was deployed companies made exceptions for me on bills I was unable to pay because I didn't bring my check book to the field.

When I got back in garrison I called them, explained where I was and why I left with no notice (weird thing about being QRF you don't always get a ton of warning you're going wheels up). My car payment(s) were late enough that they could have taken my car and put it to auction or resold it but they didn't.

But it could just be that I'm that darn popular IRL.

[Joe]

Are you just jealous because you have no friends and nobody knows who the fuck you are?

He's willing to take the test case because he IS that "unknown/unpopular player."

[Farquar]

Are you just jealous because you have no friends and nobody knows who the fuck you are?

I don't even play gemstone anymore. I just hang around during election time to chat.

But to save myself time, please recall Glengarry Glen Ross and the most famous scene in that movie.

Me = Alec Baldwin
You = Jack Lemmon (or if you prefer, Ed Harris)

[Fallen]

I know when I was deployed companies made exceptions for me on bills I was unable to pay because I didn't bring my check book to the field.

When I got back in garrison I called them, explained where I was and why I left with no notice (weird thing about being QRF you don't always get a ton of warning you're going wheels up). My car payment(s) were late enough that they could have taken my car and put it to auction or resold it but they didn't.

But it could just be that I'm that darn popular IRL.

I've always thought of it as you have a TON of shit to worry about before getting deployed, even if you're getting a decent amount of notice. Things like GS seem pretty trivial, likely they fall completely out of the picture. Apparently cutting soldiers a break in GS is a Roll your eyes worthy no-no these days.

[thefarmer]

I don't even play gemstone anymore. I just hang around during election time to chat.

But to save myself time, please recall Glengarry Glen Ross and the most famous scene in that movie.

Me = Alec Baldwin
You = Jack Lemmon (or if you prefer, Ed Harris)

You're an overweight/fat/divorced/old/white guy with little to no career that curses out your daughter in a drunk/drug fueled haze that posts in GS threads for no particular reason other than to lurk?

Gotcha.

[thefarmer]

I've always thought of it as you have a TON of shit to worry about before getting deployed, even if you're getting a decent amount of notice. Things like GS seem pretty trivial, likely they fall completely out of the picture. Apparently cutting soldiers a break in GS is a Roll your eyes worthy no-no these days.

Peri's interested in keeping the GS world safe from terroristical GM's. Screw Blades and his job!

[TheWitch]

I wasn't aware that they were making a second tower, but I don't think that's relevant. At the end of it all, a concession was made for a well-known player.

Ultimately, that's the decision of the player base. If they want to suffer the kind of game where in-game breaks are given to a select few, then more power to them. I was just trying to have an academic discussion.

But I'm willing to take the test case to "court" where an unknown/unpopular player loses a house because they failed to pay rent.

In the case of the previous property that was taken off the list, the Prestidigitorium, they said they will instead make an entirely new property and leave that one as a museum or something to the person who build it whose name escapes me. I thinks its fair to assume they'll do the same with Blades' tower - build an entirely new one for the event. They did, after all, include X number of private properties as part of the WoE event. Everyone wins - Blades keeps his, and some wanker gets one that didn't have one.

Yea, I want to "suffer" the game where the select few are are given breaks. It's really unappealing to me to play a game like this with no human element and flexibility.

More importantly, it needs to be remembered that no one really knows the exact specifics of the "why" of the situation. We seem to know Blades is active duty, and maybe Blades had made arrangements prior to deployment to maintain his rent, and the GM that was supposed to be taking care of it forgot to do so. Maybe they made a one-time only exception that he could back pay his rent, but if he's late again, he looses it - based on the fact he has paid forward before in anitcipation of being called up.

Until he posts here and says, "This is what happened" we'll never know.

So yelling about lack of fairness and preferential treatment presumes much with no evidence. And frankly, had pretty much anyone but Perigourd been the one to start the hollaring, this thread may not have lived this long.

[AnticorRifling]

I've always thought of it as you have a TON of shit to worry about before getting deployed, even if you're getting a decent amount of notice. Things like GS seem pretty trivial, likely they fall completely out of the picture. Apparently cutting soldiers a break in GS is a Roll your eyes worthy no-no these days.

Eh I was single at the time I had alot less to worry about. Will and power of attorney (everything went to my brother) and most of my expenses were on autopay anyway I just had a few that I paid the slow way. It wasn't horrible but I was giving him a real world example.

[Fallen]

I'm not posting under the belief that Soldier = Free Pass, but the fact of the matter is long deployments if involved ARE relevant to the situation and should be taken into account.

[StrayRogue]

I wasn't aware that they were making a second tower, but I don't think that's relevant. At the end of it all, a concession was made for a well-known player.



Good. I'm glad they made a concession.

[Fallen]

Eh I was single at the time I had alot less to worry about. Will and power of attorney (everything went to my brother) and most of my expenses were on autopay anyway I just had a few that I paid the slow way. It wasn't horrible but I was giving him a real world example.

Is it sad that if I go guard and get deployed GS would likely be one of my primary considerations after what would happen to my dog?

[AnticorRifling]

I made sure my golf clubs were in a good storage place and my guns were in a safe at my dad's house. Taking care of your hobbies is important imo, just not the top of the list.

[thefarmer]

Is it sad that if I go guard and get deployed GS would likely be one of my primary considerations after what would happen to my dog?

Only if you have no penis... Excluding the dog part.

[Fallen]

Only if you have no penis... Excluding the dog part.

:(

[StrayRogue]

It's not the first time Simu has made concessions for people in the military. While I don't think it should be the be all and end of why Blades gets a second chance here, the act would not be without precedent.

[Farquar]

Yea, I want to "suffer" the game where the select few are are given breaks. It's really unappealing to me to play a game like this with no human element and flexibility.
...

So yelling about lack of fairness and preferential treatment presumes much with no evidence. And frankly, had pretty much anyone but Perigourd been the one to start the hollaring, this thread may not have lived this long.

I don't mind human element and flexibility. I do mind that things happen to be more humane and more flexible for wealthy people, both apparently in the game and in real life. But hey, if Joe Anyplayer gets to keep his house because he forgot to pay rent when his dog died, then maybe the game isn't as unfair as it appears.

As I said before, I was just trying to have a discussion. Even if the facts aren't 100% correct, we can't have a discussion on that hypothetical? Whatever happens, it's all academic to me.

[That Jay]

Naturally, you're not paying attention. They moved it to Discussions.

Naturally, you did not check the time of when posts were made. NOW they moved it. They tried to kill it earlier when my post was made.

[ViridianAsp]

While I do agree with Perigourd in this case...

I think if Blade's is active duty, this chance is fair and SHOULD be given. Even if you make an arrangement with the staff that you can notify them in before your tours of duty, thats how it should be, considering there are a lot of people in the service, who play.

[Fallen]

While I do agree with Perigourd in this case...

I think if Blade's is active duty, this chance is fair and SHOULD be given. Even if you make an arrangement with the staff that you can notify them in before your tours of duty, thats how it should be, considering there are a lot of people in the service, who play.

I'm not seeing how you agree with Peri if you do think an exception should be made. Also, are there any other types of mechanics aside from this one that preclude long breaks from the game without penalties? The only thing I can think of is guild dues. House ownership isn't exactly a rampant mechanic (premium houses aside)

[MotleyCrew]

Kinda funny since Perigourd is a citizen of Solhaven....but he is a glory whore, so no big surprise here.

[Xaerve]

Behold, Peridork and Missoni...

http://www.eiadh.com/pictures/IM002497.JPG

[ViridianAsp]

I'm not seeing how you agree with Peri if you do think an exception should be made. Also, are there any other types of mechanics aside from this one that preclude long breaks from the game without penalties? The only thing I can think of is guild dues. House ownership isn't exactly a rampant mechanic (premium houses aside)


I do agree with him in other instances, if you go off for a long time, with no explanation, you shouldn't expect that your property is still going to be yours. Like the fact that when I left for awhile and my shop got repo'd. I couldn't pay rent or visit it, the same should apply to those properties, too bad, if you aren't here to use it, it's your loss.

[ViridianAsp]

Behold, Peridork and Missoni...

http://www.eiadh.com/pictures/IM002497.JPG

What do their player's pictures have to do with this thread?

[drigore]

I didn't read through every post mostly because it goes like this "It's not fair, whine whine whine" ... "Blades is history and a great player, it should stay his"

I agree with the second part. Not only that, Perigourd is such the douche bag, that to top it all off, he is a citizen of Solhaven. Fuck the Fury.



**Dur, MotleyCrew already said what I did, before I did, but I still stand by my statements.

[Celephais]

What do their player's pictures have to do with this thread?
Didn't you get the memo? Making fun of fat ugly people by pointing out that they're fat and ugly is the hip thing to do.

[g++]

Im pretty sure in that picture hes thinking "Kill her, then Ill have all the items"

[Xaerve]

What do their player's pictures have to do with this thread?

Nothing; I heard they recently got married. Good for them.

[Some Rogue]

Im pretty sure in that picture hes thinking "Kill her, then Ill have all the quests to myself."

Fixed

[Joe]

Naturally, you did not check the time of when posts were made. NOW they moved it. They tried to kill it earlier when my post was made.

That's because, naturally, I don't have anything that I care to prove. I'm just yanking your chain. ;)

[TheEschaton]

They made a special exception for ME when I went into the PEACE Corps (not even the Marine Corps). I told them I wouldn't have access to electricity for two years, let alone a computer/the internet. And they worked things out.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Hippy.

[Soulpieced]

This thread sucks. Blades is arguably one of, if not the most famous character in Gemstone still active. Hey, let's give away something that's his for no good reason. Any mechanic that takes into account real life time (like guild dues) should be abolished. If any in-game system requires payment in real time, it should have a forward funding option available to pay ahead of time. I'm sure the amount that Blades needs to pay on the house is a pittance, and he could have it paid from now until the end of time with no problem. Same thing with guild dues, why should I have to pay 3500 every month, when I could simply say here's 500k, come bother me again in 11 years. Also another reason I don't read the official boards except for the occasional (worthless) bard folder and over 10 million.

[NocturnalRob]

Any mechanic that takes into account real life time (like guild dues) should be abolished. If any in-game system requires payment in real time, it should have a forward funding option available to pay ahead of time.

completely and totally fucking agree

[TheEschaton]

Jesus, yes, if I could pay off guild dues in advance, that would be AMAZING!

[Drew]

In the case of the previous property that was taken off the list, the Prestidigitorium, they said they will instead make an entirely new property and leave that one as a museum or something to the person who build it whose name escapes me.

Dartaghan Darkstar

[CrystalTears]

You can pay the guild dues ahead of time, I'm just not sure how far ahead you can pay.

Since these private homes are a special circumstance, they should have the option to pay a one-time lifetime fee, or have the amount taken from their account monthly.

I agree with SP that any mechanic that is set in real time that involves payment of some kind needs to be abolished, especially the jail penalty, but that's an argument for another time and place.

[Sylvan Dreams]

You can pay guild dues 3 months in advance if you are not a guildmaster.

Personally, I have only the highest respect and admiration for active duty soldiers. Anyone that screws with them should be shipped to Iraq in a barrel. They deserve every reasonable accommodation that can be made and I definitely think that rent for a house in a roleplaying game falls under a reasonable accommodation.

[septus]

Dartaghan Darkstar

The Prestidigitorium was always Ceruleans iirc from the discussion on the officials.

[Stanley Burrell]

I like:

A) Turtles.

B) What's-his-face's dwelling in the southern end of the Shanty Town that no one knows about except what's-his-face and a few others. I was in there. There's no air conditioning, but it's pretty cool.

[Drew]

The Prestidigitorium was always Ceruleans iirc from the discussion on the officials.


Yeah whoops, I thought that might be wrong after I posted it.

[Khariz]

Is that picture really the two of them?

[Xaerve]

Is that picture really the two of them?

Yes. I told my friend if I posted it we could get the thread to 100 posts, we're 10 away!

[Warriorbird]

They look shockingly average.

[Stretch]

I think Perigourd's opinion is retarded here, but he's free to voice it I guess.

Glad to see Blades didn't get the shaft here, he's good people.

[TheEschaton]

You've totally ruined it by saying your goal is #100 posts now. Now, people will either stfu, or blatantly run up the post count.

(see what I did there?)

[Fallen]

I've been told Blades used to actively roleplay a lot more than the character currently does now. I suppose that is a rather unfair view to take as i've never made a serious attempt to engage the character with my own, but he certainly seems to stick mostly to himself. Didn't this even lead people to believe he was sold?

Maybe he had some really shitty tours.

[g++]

Blades roleplay always consisted 99% of silence and 1% the threat of him killing you at any moment. Unless you meet him a few times hes very yes/no and even then hes pretty stand offish. I dont remember him being different before.

[septus]

I've been told Blades used to actively roleplay a lot more than the character currently does now. I suppose that is a rather unfair view to take as i've never made a serious attempt to engage the character with my own, but he certainly seems to stick mostly to himself. Didn't this even lead people to believe he was sold?

Maybe he had some really shitty tours.

Yeah, plus rumors of t hings that happened and Titanniia or however you spell her name and weird stuff lead people to believe he wouldn't be back.

Personally I don't feel he's all that famous anymore compared to some others. I'd rate someone like Plur for being more famous at this juncture in the game. However, Blades is still omg blades! for a lot of people just because he's a recluse. (I also figured Simmer was a recluse until I actually talked to him..so who knows)

[StrayRogue]

Yep, Blades makes liberal use of the >stare command. Thats just the character. He's always taken the time to help me the various times I've encountered him throughout the game.

[Stretch]

I've been told Blades used to actively roleplay a lot more than the character currently does now. I suppose that is a rather unfair view to take as i've never made a serious attempt to engage the character with my own, but he certainly seems to stick mostly to himself. Didn't this even lead people to believe he was sold?

Maybe he had some really shitty tours.

That's not at all surprising.

The "famous" players who are still around when I started playing are far and few between. It's hard to stay motivated after over a decade of the same game.

Maybe Cryheart, Valicar, et al are still bastions of RP. For folks like Soulpieced and myself, Gemstone turned into a text version of Diablo a long time ago. I was hardly an RP guru, but all Gemstone really is now is Progress Quest to me.

Guess that's what happens when most of the friends you make in game quit.

[Sylvan Dreams]

I'm just posting to try to be post 100.

I used to really enjoy RP with the assorted people that hung out at Hearthstone (Blades included). I remember Titaniia's "music". I will also have to agree with Stretch and want to add in this: once you get used to a certain crowd and they all quit, it's somewhat hard to go and make new friends, especially when you're level 49806985.

[Ashlander]

Heh it's also hard when you leave for awhile and all your friends are level 49806985 and you're still level 30.

Oh over post 100 in the thread, where's my cookie.

[thefarmer]

I've been told Blades used to actively roleplay a lot more than the character currently does now. I suppose that is a rather unfair view to take as i've never made a serious attempt to engage the character with my own, but he certainly seems to stick mostly to himself. Didn't this even lead people to believe he was sold?

Maybe he had some really shitty tours.

Back before I left, I used to RP with Blades quite abit and never noticed a change in the way his character was played.

I saw Blades awhile back at the Dais. I joked with him, he did his badass thing. He seemed his normal self. Before that, my ingame wife and I saw him at FWI maybe a year ago? Again, he seemed his normal self. Even laughed, well chuckled/sneered, at a few jokes we made at his expense.

[Fallen]

Well then. I am glad I was misinformed.

[Daniel]

I'm just posting to try to be post 100.

I used to really enjoy RP with the assorted people that hung out at Hearthstone (Blades included). I remember Titaniia's "music". I will also have to agree with Stretch and want to add in this: once you get used to a certain crowd and they all quit, it's somewhat hard to go and make new friends, especially when you're level 49806985.

Titaniia was a cunt.

[Clipt]

Peri and Miss are mother and son? or...

[thefarmer]

Titaniia was a cunt.

Agreed.

[Khariz]

Peri and Miss are mother and son? or...

Someone said in this thread that they heard they got married.

:whipit:

[Amaron]

I have had a great time rping with Blades. I initiated it with my rogue when she was in Illistim and had a blast everytime they interacted.

I did notice he does not get involved unless you show a willingness to rp first.

was a fun time.

J

[Clipt]

Someone said in this thread that they heard they got married.

:whipit:

Ah, thanks for pointing that out. I must have skimmed over that part.

[Xaerve]

Blades is the original, he is good people.

[Xandalf]

I can confirm that it is the Original Blades.

He and Starshadow shared many inside jokes and stories when I saw the two of them interact.

[ViridianAsp]

Jesus, yes, if I could pay off guild dues in advance, that would be AMAZING!

This is a good idea, for the guild, but for property, I can't agree.

I don't think it's fair, the only way I would agree is if you are in the service or something, if you are able to write them and tell them, it should be held for you. My problem is with people just leaving and not giving it back...not using it for five years, while someone else could use it.


My character hates Perigourd, he's even killed her a few times. Honestly, I don't have anything against the player, at least he roleplays. He's always been nice OOCly to me.

[Daniel]

Seriously? How do you repossess a tower? This isn't like some cottage in the mdidle of Shantytown. It's bullshit that he has to pay rent in the first place.

[ViridianAsp]

Seriously? How do you repossess a tower? This isn't like some cottage in the mdidle of Shantytown. It's bullshit that he has to pay rent in the first place.

It's like having a house and paying mortgage, you don't pay it, you don't have a house. I don't think it's bullshit, they get like a whole specially built place all their own, I'd pay for it, I think most would.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's not at all surprising.

The "famous" players who are still around when I started playing are far and few between. It's hard to stay motivated after over a decade of the same game.

Maybe Cryheart, Valicar, et al are still bastions of RP. For folks like Soulpieced and myself, Gemstone turned into a text version of Diablo a long time ago. I was hardly an RP guru, but all Gemstone really is now is Progress Quest to me.

Guess that's what happens when most of the friends you make in game quit.

Yeah, that's the truth. I miss Falgrin, Caralain, Alarica, Ardwen (still active but never plays), Rhys (still active but never plays), Cadsreel (haven't seen him lately), Murp, Starsnuffer, Winstrom, Manny, and all the others I used to play/rp with.

I guess the good old days will always be that. My time is spent hunting little ones that essentially never interact with others, or sitting at a table.

[Daniel]

It's like having a house and paying mortgage, you don't pay it, you don't have a house. I don't think it's bullshit, they get like a whole specially built place all their own, I'd pay for it, I think most would.

So what's the going interest rate on a TOWER now adays?

[StrayRogue]

It's a fucking tower. Not a 4 bedroom family home.

He's also a high level character, a legendary one at that. What kind of debt collection agency would be capable of retrieving anything from him?

Basically he's owned it longer than most the staff have even been playing GS. He's owned it a lot longer than he's had to "pay" for it. It's as much his as any other item that is attributed to certain, legendary players.

[StrayRogue]

I don't think it's fair, the only way I would agree is if you are in the service or something, if you are able to write them and tell them, it should be held for you. My problem is with people just leaving and not giving it back...not using it for five years, while someone else could use it.



So by this logic, you'd want items to "disappear" from lockers and characters after they've been gone for X amount of time?

[Stanley Burrell]

Seriously? How do you repossess a tower? This isn't like some cottage in the mdidle of Shantytown. It's bullshit that he has to pay rent in the first place.

No one is immune to the mortgage crisis and skyrocketing home APR. AND I MEAN NO ONE, not even The GameMasters.

It's not a cottage. It's a hole in the wall. Where the wall is the ground. And the green grass grows all around, all around. Text-based home ownership = sir' biz, cousin.

Even Squirrel Man is getting downsized to a trailer. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/10/treehouse.man.ap/index.html)

[Rathgar]

I wonder should homes have some mechanical advantages to owning? Perhaps the larger the home the more stuff you can put into it. Or perhaps an increase in regen rates or a way of generating rent income from your home.

BTW how big is this tower? And does it come with a wizzie lab inside?

[ViridianAsp]

It's a fucking tower. Not a 4 bedroom family home.

He's also a high level character, a legendary one at that. What kind of debt collection agency would be capable of retrieving anything from him?

Basically he's owned it longer than most the staff have even been playing GS. He's owned it a lot longer than he's had to "pay" for it. It's as much his as any other item that is attributed to certain, legendary players.


I said property as in houses, shops, ect.

And honestly, if it were a player you guys didn't like, say, perigourd in this situation, you'd have no problem thinking it would be taken away. And if you read my previous posts, I think that in HIS CASE because he was away in the service that he should retain his property, he couldn't pay for it, obviously.

[Stanley Burrell]

Even Squirrel Man is getting downsized to a trailer. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/10/treehouse.man.ap/index.html)

That's messed up.

[Bobmuhthol]

Who the fuck owns the tower that he's supposed to be paying rent to all the time?

[Stanley Burrell]

Someone who owns a tower that incurs a rent review process.

[Stanley Burrell]

You haven't paid the portcullis royalties. We're gonna have to shut off the utilities, starting with water, electric and moat alligators.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

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[Stanley Burrell]

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