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Tisket
04-06-2008, 09:05 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7331099.stm



Legislation against selling, making, hiring or importing samurai swords in England and Wales has come into force.

Those breaking the law face six months in jail and a £5,000 fine. Carrying a sword in public is already illegal.

Exemptions will cover swords which are used for re-enactments or antique weapons kept on display by collectors.

Eight years ago a councillor was killed by a man wielding a samurai sword in the office of Cheltenham Liberal Democrat MP Nigel Jones.

Anyone found guilty of importing samurai swords will face up to seven years in prison and an unlimited fine.

'Cheap reproductions'

Samurai swords are part of Japanese history and genuine artefacts can change hands for large sums of money.

But in recent years there has been a trade in reproductions which can be bought over the internet for as little as £35 and they have been used in several attacks.

Last month a gang of youths, one armed with a samurai sword, attacked a 15-year-old boy in Newry, County Down.

On another occasion, a youth was seen brandishing a sword in Newcastle.

Chris James, who deals in antique military items, including Japanese swords, told the BBC he welcomed the legislation.

He said: "I don't have a problem with it if it stops youths getting hold of cheap reproductions."

Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker said: "The government takes violent crime very seriously and we are determined to do all we can to protect individuals and communities.

"Having undertaken a wide consultation we recognise that it is the cheap and easily available samurai swords that have been used in crime. That is why we have made sensible exemptions for genuine enthusiasts.

"This ban is part of our wider strategy to tackle serious violent crime. Later this year we will launch a new advertising campaign aimed at preventing young people carrying knives."

A Home Office spokeswoman said the government had consulted collectors and martial arts groups as well as laws enforcement agencies.

Swords aged over 100 years will be exempt from the law, and defences will be in place for crown functions, museums and drama productions.

Alf Hitchcock, of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said: "Throughout the consultation process the Association of Chief Police Officers has supported the government's position on the banning of samurai swords.

"As I have said on previous occasions, these are not the most common weapons for people to carry and use in violent crimes but nationally there have been some significant incidents, serious assaults and murders using a samurai sword.

"So we feel the introduction of a ban is much needed."

Currently 17 weapons, including knuckle dusters and batons are on the Offensive Weapons Order, which was created by the Criminal Justice Act 1988.

Ninja wannabes are going to start flooding our shores. You watch.

Stanley Burrell
04-06-2008, 09:22 PM
I want to be part of The Yakuza. I'll chop off all of my pinkie fingers and toes for breathing improperly in the Ninja Don's presence.

Methais
04-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Next year they'll ban steak knives.

Clove
04-06-2008, 10:07 PM
Next year they'll ban steak knives.I say we invade you guys. We could probably take London with case cutters and baseball bats at this point.

Warriorbird
04-06-2008, 10:18 PM
If you ban samurai swords then only criminals will have samurai swords. Them and the lone wolf HK cinema star British police that will show up in the inevitable movie.

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/2003/03/22/picture-shanghai.knights-on.big.ben.jpg

DCSL
04-06-2008, 10:27 PM
What the hell would anyone want in England? I mean, great place to visit. Love Wales (I know it's not the same as England, but it was mentioned), for some reason. Love the collection of accents and the football fans. Birthplace of my favorite bully breed. But I wouldn't want to be in charge of it. It's all a tad damp. Seems like a headache.

Fallen
04-06-2008, 10:29 PM
That, and they don't have nearly enough swords and firearms.

Methais
04-07-2008, 12:45 AM
What the hell would anyone want in England?

MONTY PYTHON GOSH!!!!!!!!!!1

Gan
04-07-2008, 07:50 AM
So much for all those brits running around playing "Highlander".

Drew
04-07-2008, 08:11 AM
They only banned handguns what, 20 years ago? This makes a lovely reference for whenever America gets duped into it.

StrayRogue
04-07-2008, 08:13 AM
Yes because our handgun crime is rampant.

Parkbandit
04-07-2008, 08:20 AM
Yes because our handgun crime is rampant.

Yes, because banning handguns has stopped handgun crime.

Gan
04-07-2008, 08:52 AM
Swords dont kill people, people kill people.

Unless you're a bard IRL and have an animated katana following you around.

Back
04-07-2008, 09:46 AM
Uh, seems to me there are few places in the world that you could walk around wearing a samurai sword and not be hassled by the authorities...

Doh, just realized I missed something in the OP. Yeah, seems a bit extreme to BAN the making, selling and owning the weapon altogether.

TheEschaton
04-07-2008, 10:07 AM
There are exemptions for collectors of the real thing. They're banning the ones with no intrinsic value except that of a weapon.

CrystalTears
04-07-2008, 10:09 AM
What's to stop someone from using a sword mounted on the wall as a weapon?

Seems odd to ban the cheap imitations yet allow the real deal as long as it's "for collection purposes". Nice little loophole there.

Stanley Burrell
04-07-2008, 10:11 AM
EVERYONE SWITCH TO BLUNT WEAPONS!!!

How often do you get to see some wanksta'-chavs running around with morning stars? Oh man. Tally ho.

TheEschaton
04-07-2008, 10:12 AM
Because they have intrinsic value as history which counterweights their possible dangerousness? I dunno, as far as I know, ancient guns are exempt from many gun control laws, but I'm sure you could kill someone with Sam Colt's original revolver too.

-TheE-

Clove
04-07-2008, 11:24 AM
There are exemptions for collectors of the real thing. They're banning the ones with no intrinsic value except that of a weapon.Half-tang, junk stainless, 40 buck mall-katanas don't have much value as weapons either. Better off with a baseball bat.

Clove
04-07-2008, 11:26 AM
If you ban samurai swords then only criminals will have samurai swords. Them and the lone wolf HK cinema star British police that will show up in the inevitable movie.

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/2003/03/22/picture-shanghai.knights-on.big.ben.jpgThat's right. If you pull out a katana in Austin the upstanding citizens... shoot you.

Clove
04-07-2008, 12:11 PM
First katanas, next hedgehogs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7334233.stm

Tisket
04-07-2008, 12:19 PM
A potential five year sentence for hedgehog frisbee? What the hell.

Sean of the Thread
04-07-2008, 12:26 PM
An oldy but a goody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmRUaxq-QhU

Warriorbird
04-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Neal Stephenson had a great bit in Cryptonomnicon about why it is important to shoot the guys with swords.

Rathgar
04-07-2008, 08:13 PM
I'd say screw Katanas, way too much slash. Go for a morningstar or better yet a mattock.

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/119925_lg.jpg

OR...

http://www.weaponsemporium.com/WE-Morning-Star.jpg

British people are so silly. :)