Battlestar Galactica Season 4

[Drew]

Starts in less than 15 minutes!

[Stanley Burrell]

O. H. Snap.

[Parkbandit]

Shit.. I hope I still have it on TiVo.

[Clove]

Best space combat scene ever.

[Tisket]

Even though I had seen them originally, I watched a lot of the reruns they played this past week in the BSG marathon leading up to the new episode tonight. Science fiction just doesn't get any better. As a matter of fact I believe that it might be the best TV series, of any genre, ever. It's just that epic.

[Tisket]

Anyone want to speculate on the identity of the fifth unknown cylon? I'm going to put my money on Madame President. Only thinking because of shock value though. No clue really.

[StrayRogue]

Firefly was better :(

[Danical]

Firefly was better :(

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[Drew]

Firefly was better :(

Firefly kicked ass, but BSG is better IMO. Don't take this as Firefly H8, but it's like picking a favorite son, sure I have one, but if they are both there I'll lie and say they are equal.

[Drew]

Anyone want to speculate on the identity of the fifth unknown cylon? I'm going to put my money on Madame President. Only thinking because of shock value though. No clue really.

I don't think she is. I'm near sure neither Roslin and Starbuck are Cylons.


Also I have a theory that the Cylons are the 13th tribe. It's not fully formed, but their one true God is the one of the gods that the 12 other tribes considered part of their pantheon.

[Danical]

Firefly kicked ass, but BSG is better IMO. Don't take this as Firefly H8, but it's like picking a favorite son, sure I have one, but if they are both there I'll lie and say they are equal.

They aren't equal; Firefly is better.

[Tisket]

Firefly was better :(

What Drew said. Firefly was great but it really was almost a one note show in comparison to BSG's depth.

[StrayRogue]

Thats because it only had one series. I'd argue that BSG's first season is all about one thing as well.

I like them both; compelling sci-fi TV is rare these days (well it always has), but seeing garbage like the Sarah Connor Chronicles get a second series when stuff like Firebly gets blown away is just sad.

[Ignot]

Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica

[Clove]

Josh Whedon, loves BSG.

[Latrinsorm]

Anyone want to speculate on the identity of the fifth unknown cylon?OO OO ME ME.

Ok, at the end of last season I had a number of candidates under consideration:

1) Starbuck - died and then wasn't dead anymore, which is a very Cylon thing to do (YES, JESUS WAS A CYLON). Prolonged hallucinations. Extremely low opportunity cost to make a switch - at the Farm.
2) Baltar - because they came out and said he wasn't. Prolonged hallucinations. Bizarre coincidences regarding Cylons - selecting what they had to blow up to destroy that one mining thing or whatever, for instance.
3) Adm. Adama - shock value. Leoben's statement.
4) Apollo - Leoben's statement. Saw Starbuck (which was more compelling when it wasn't made clear that she was real).
5) Pres. Roslin - the whole opera house thing. Difficult to consider her, though, because of the whole cancer arc and its resolution.

Now, leading up to this season they did a re-enactment of the Last Supper for a promotional web-poster. I won't rehash the exhaustive analysis and adulation here, but the main point is that a Six takes the role of Jesus and Peter (the first Pope in Catholicism) is missing from the re-enactment. Possible derivations from the poster:
1) Saul is in the place of Andrew, brother of Peter. It's pretty easy to consider Adm. Adama as Saul's brother, which buttresses his case. (Incidentally, Adama takes the place of Simon the Zealot, and Peter's "full" name is Simon Peter.)
2) Chief Tyrol is holding a knife, which is a Petrine characteristic. He's already been revealed as a Cylon, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him proved NOT to be a Cylon just to later be proved the Final model.
3) In the place of Peter is a grail/goblet kind of thing (the only one in the picture). Now, clearly, the grail in Christian mythology holds the blood of Jesus Christ, a being both God and human. There is at least one being currently a mix of two races - Hera, Cylon and human. (NOTE. Chief also had a child with Cally [who is the cutest evar], but it remains to be seen whether he was a Cylon at that point. It's entirely possible a switch was made later, perhaps in the Temple.)

Worth pointing out is that Baltar is in the position of Judas, which has a kind of visceral immediacy in that he is a traitor, but more interesting is the point that Judas betrayed Jesus, who is represented by Six here - is Baltar going to betray his Cylon lover/master/hallucination thing?

.

So anyway, my guesses are:
1) Adama.
2) Hera.
3) Baltar.
4) Starbuck.
5) Chief's kid.

:)

[Clove]

You think too much. It's Apollo.

[Latrinsorm]

No way it's Apollo. We would have seen him go glowy-back when he did it with Starbuck in a field.

Also, as tense as BSG usually is, the scene where Adm. Adama, Lee, Roslin, Saul, Chief, and Tory were chilling around Starbuck's Viper was INCREDIBLE. There's no way the Cylons will be able to take that all season.

[CrystalTears]

We never saw the back of either Apollo or Starbuck so you can't be so sure about either.

[Tisket]

So anyway, my guesses are:
1) Adama.
2) Hera.
3) Baltar.
4) Starbuck.
5) Chief's kid.

Your reasoning is interesting. The problem I am encountering in buying Adama as the fifth Cylon is why would Sharon have been programmed to kill him? And if he is a Cylon then Apollo is half Cylon at the very least which could be interesting but we are losing a lot of strong human elements if all the good guys turn out to be Cylon.

That's part of the issue I have with Tigh and the Chief being Cylon, I mean there were numerous times when either could have sunk the Fleet's chances of survival. Why didn't they? I mean there are factions within the Cylons that seem to want something other than complete destruction of the humans but what?

In the previews for next week it shows a Cylon flanked by two old style Cylons who says something like "quit lobotomizing the raiders" while the old-style ones raise their weapons in a threatening manner. Going to be interesting to see more self aware raiders like Scar.

I think there is going to be a big shift in priorities among the Cylon themselves where humanity's destruction will be in contest. I can just see vipers fighting side by side with raiders.

[Latrinsorm]

We never saw the back of either Apollo or Starbuck so you can't be so sure about either.I saw the back OF HIS HEAD!!!!
Your reasoning is interesting.Thanks!!
The problem I am encountering in buying Adama as the fifth Cylon is why would Sharon have been programmed to kill him?Given that the Final Five are (apparently) unique (no copies), it's conceivable that contrary to the Chief's and Anders' assertions, they have not always been Cylons. If that is true, of course Sharon could try to kill the human Adama.

Furthermore, even if Adama has always been a Cylon, the whole point of there being a Final Five is that the other Cylons don't know who they are (at least until the Final Five member recognizes himself or herself as a Cylon, apparently). This means Boomer (and her programming) could only perceive Adama as a human.

As for the Chief and Tigh, I think we have to figure out who turned them on to their reality (if reality it be) before we can ask the sort of questions you've asked. Certainly if they were under the bailiwick of the Cylon hunt-and-kill paradigm it seems foolish to let them go this long before activation, but like you said that probably just means they're under the control of some other faction. My guess is a proselytization faction or the One Cylon God himself (itself?).

[CrystalTears]

They don't suddenly become a Cylon. They just weren't aware that they were.

You either are a Cylon or you're not. It's not a disease.

And Six's skull never glowed either, only the spine in her back. So there!

[Clove]

I saw the back OF HIS HEAD!!!!Thanks!!Given that the Final Five are (apparently) unique (no copies), it's conceivable that contrary to the Chief's and Anders' assertions, they have not always been Cylons.Quit over-complicating things. It's not conceivable. They've always been cylons, they just didn't know it.

[Clove]

Firefly was better :(Except that it got canceled mid-season :P.

[StrayRogue]

Except that it got canceled mid-season :P.

No shit. And it wasn't mid-season. As far as I'm aware most new TV series begin with only 12 episodes. The studio's don't like risking the big bucks on 24 episodes when it might flop after two.

Still, the characters were more engaging, it was funny, the women were hotter - every episode of that series was excellent, and you cannot say that of BSG.

[Daniel]

Man. I thought maybe I could get something out of reading this thread but all I found was a huge heaping pile of nerd.

[CrystalTears]

every episode of that series was excellent, and you cannot say that of BSG.
I can. You seem to be looking for specific things in a series. It's entertaining, engaging and interesting and it doesn't need the hot women and humor to work. To each their own I suppose.

I love Firefly too though. It's a shame it was cancelled.

[StrayRogue]

Come on, you're saying there is no average, sub-par, dross, "we're running out of storylines for this season" episodes. I find that hard to believe.

[CrystalTears]

I've watched all the shows over and over again and I never tire of them. Each season has it's own flare and I prefer some over others, but none have failed me.

[Clove]

Come on, you're saying there is no average, sub-par, dross, "we're running out of storylines for this season" episodes. I find that hard to believe.Josh Whedon LOVES BSG. He particularly praises the originality of the writing. Suck it.

[Latrinsorm]

They don't suddenly become a Cylon. They just weren't aware that they were.

You either are a Cylon or you're not. It's not a disease.My point was the human versions could have been abducted (or terminated) and replaced by Cylons, as that would be a lot easier than engineering a backstory or tricking human parents into raising a pure Cylon child (which we've never seen yet and probably doesn't even exist).
Still, the characters were more engaging, it was funny, the women were hotter - every episode of that series was excellent, and you cannot say that of BSG.The only valid point you made was the humor aspect, which would be pretty inappropriate in BSG. It's baffling to think anyone couldn't find either Adama the height of engaging, or Caprika 6, etc.

[Sean]

I vote for Bob Dylan as the final cylon. I mean he did write All Along the Watchtower didn't he?

[Clove]

I vote for Bob Dylan as the final cylon. I mean he did write All Along the Watchtower didn't he?shuddap before I beat you to death with your clogs.

[Sean]

shuddap before I beat you to death with your clogs.

Stop trying to oppress me! My voice will be heard! I mean Dylan is even close to Cylon.

[Drew]

Everyone knows Jimmy Hendrix wrote all along the watchtower then the Cylons traveled back in time to give Dylan a copy.

[Tisket]

It's entertaining, engaging and interesting and it doesn't need the hot women and humor to work.

Exactly. I also find it interesting that they handle issues like religion in such an in depth series-spanning way. Most sci-fi shows seem to skirt the issue, if they touch it at all. I am wondering about Baltar though, I've not cared for him for the whole series then he goes and is willing to sacrifice himself for that kid. Dunno how that is going to play out.

And I just love how gritty it is, in a something-breaks-whack-it-with-a-hammer kind of way. People get dirty and sweat, very un-Star Trekish.

[Tisket]

I vote for Bob Dylan as the final cylon. I mean he did write All Along the Watchtower didn't he?

I lol'd irl. Now can't get that song out of my head.

[Latrinsorm]

What's really interesting to me about Baltar is how he seemed to be genuinely trying to communicate with the Cylon God. I think pretty much anyone would be moved by a child dying in front of them, but Baltar has always been skeptical and backhanded about the religious stuff before. Maybe his beard was getting to him.

[Drunken Durfin]

Anyone have a link where I can watch season one online? I came back from vacation and my DVR seems to have denied me the re-runs that were on SciFi channel.

[Tisket]

I think pretty much anyone would be moved by a child dying in front of them, but Baltar has always been skeptical and backhanded about the religious stuff before.

He was indirectly responsible for the death of billions. I don't think one child would weigh too heavily on his conscience unless he's undergone a genuine rehabilitation. Which makes it even more interesting. Besides, the offer to trade places was prayed in front of the child, the razor held to Baltars throat was later in the shower room when he actually was ready to go through with it.

[Tisket]

Anyone have a link where I can watch season one online? I came back from vacation and my DVR seems to have denied me the re-runs that were on SciFi channel.

I think this has that season, not sure though: http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=32850

[Revalos]

After coming back from Vegascon and then 2+ weeks in Hawaii...I was totally jazzed to watch the new episode. I was not disappointed.

In the pantheon of good shows, IMHO BSG outweighs Firefly only because Firefly was cancelled. I have an inkling that Firefly could have been as great or greater than BSG if only because Firefly had Summer Glau and I have issues. But that's water under the bridge.

Anyone wager what Earth year it will be if BSG does make it to Earth? There has been a lot of speculation from the CGI at the end of Season 3, and more from Starbuck's guncam footage.

[Sean]

I really liked firefly but I'm not sure how many seasons I would have liked it for. Honestly I think its good because it was such a short lived series and I enjoyed serenity as a wrap up to some of the story lines. I think they could milk 1 more movie out of it and put it to rest. One of the things I like about BSG right now is that I know this is the last season and that they have 20? episodes to wrap things up instead of dragging the quest for earth on forever.

[Clove]

For the life of me I can't understand (and this isn't directed at you, Sean this is a general observation) why anytime, anyone begins a thread about BSG, somehow, someone ALWAYS has to compare it to Firefly.

It's not like BSG is being compared to other sci-fi series, or the sci-fi genre in general. Just Firefly. This is made more ridiculous by the fact that Firefly and BSG are VERY different thematically.

You know what? I liked Firefly. I have the series on DVD and often re-watch them. I saw Serenity in the theater, have that DVD and watch that one too. It was a good series. It got unjustly canceled.

Hey, if I could wave a magic wand and bring back Firefly to make all you emo fans who can't let go of the fact that it was cut down in its prime happy so I could participate in a fucking thread about BSG without wading through all the "Firefly was better!!!1111!!!1!" posts I would.

In the meantime why don't you guys just let it go and quit trying to diminish the achievements of another excellent series that didn't get fucked over by retarded executives.

[Tisket]

I think they are comparing the quality more than anything. Since no other sci fi show comes closer to BSG's quality than Firefly I think the comparison is fair.

[Clove]

I think they are comparing the quality more than anything. Since no other sci fi show comes closer to BSG's quality than Firefly I think the comparison is fair.Really? What exactly do you mean by quality? Special effects? Acting? Story? Babylon 5, Star Trek NG, DS-9, Voyager, Enterprise, Stargate... hell Dr. Who are all excellent Sci-Fi series for a variety of reasons.

[Eoghain]

Firefly = space WESTERN. Westerns= fail. Therefore, BSG > Firefly.

It really is that simple. Inaara was cool, everything else sucked balls.

[Eoghain]

Ok, so I forget which number was played by Lucy Lawless, but do you remember when she saw the final five before she was deactivated, and she apologized to one of them, saying she had no idea? Was that Saul Tighe, cause they took his eye?

[Latrinsorm]

It was Gabrielle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Clove]

It really is that simple. Inaara was cool, everything else sucked balls.I would gladly indenture myself to Inara for as long as she required me. And my wife already knows that if (in the ludicrously unlikely event) I ever got an opportunity with Morena Baccarin, I'm hittin' it with all pistons firing (so to speak). But hey, I have to allow the same concession to her concerning Viggo Mortensen.


Ok, so I forget which number was played by Lucy Lawless, but do you remember when she saw the final five before she was deactivated, and she apologized to one of them, saying she had no idea? Was that Saul Tighe, cause they took his eye?We were JUST discussing that today- she recognized and apologized to one of the five... it has to be a clue and Tighe seems almost too obvious. Who remembers which signficant characters that Cylon interacted with on New Caprica?

[Sean of the Thread]

Even though I had seen them originally, I watched a lot of the reruns they played this past week in the BSG marathon leading up to the new episode tonight. Science fiction just doesn't get any better. As a matter of fact I believe that it might be the best TV series, of any genre, ever. It's just that epic.

I dunno... SG-1 was pretty hawt.

[Tisket]

I dunno... SG-1 was pretty hawt.

I have no issues with any of the series listed here. I enjoyed them all. But, as soon as each episode was over, I stopped thinking about them. Maybe because so many of their episodes were wrapped up tidily by the time the credits rolled.

[Tisket]

Really? What exactly do you mean by quality? Special effects? Acting? Story? Babylon 5, Star Trek NG, DS-9, Voyager, Enterprise, Stargate... hell Dr. Who are all excellent Sci-Fi series for a variety of reasons.

I've never seen a single episode of Dr. Who and only a few of Babylon 5 so cannot comment on them at all. Seen and enjoyed the others you listed. I guess it's mostly that BSG leaves me guessing. I'm not used to that in a show. I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what's going on and what's likely to happen in a show. The plots of the shows you listed, episode to episode, were not exactly brain candy.

As far as people comparing to Firefly, that's how people always determine quality, they compare to something similar. So I am not sure why that surprises/annoys you.

[Clove]

As far as people comparing to Firefly, that's how people always determine quality, they compare to something similar. So I am not sure why that surprises/annoys you.The only similarity between Firefly and BSG is that they are both sci-fi television series. Since there are many sci-fi television series to choose from (several of which are much more similar) one would expect a few of those others to be used as a comparisons (if that were the intent).

I suggest that ISN'T the intent particarly when one-line "Firefly was better" posts are common contributions.

[Latrinsorm]

We were JUST discussing that today- she recognized and apologized to one of the five... it has to be a clue and Tighe seems almost too obvious. Who remembers which signficant characters that Cylon interacted with on New Caprica?She did steal Hera, so Helo. On the other hand, she could have just seen God and been overwhelmed by her own flaws in the face of perfection.

OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN GABRIELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrystalTears]

Helo?! That's it, I'm not listening to your theories anymore.

It's definitely not Helo, he's not a cylon. She didn't interact with him anyway. The concept of Hera being the hybrid would be gone and that would have been a humongous waste of time just to confuse people in order to not make sense in the end.

[Latrinsorm]

Helo wasn't a Cylon, true. This in no way suggests that Helo is still around (or even alive!). She didn't directly interact with him, but if I stole someone's kid and then met them AND found out they were some kind of divine figure, I would probably apologize too, wouldn't you?

[CrystalTears]

I know you and others have tried to convince me that cylons will take existing people and make them cylons, but I just don't see that. Not when the 12 were already established. They didn't suddenly make 5 new cylons.

That being said, assuming that they do just manifest a likeness of an existing person and then convert them into a cylon, when did this happen to Helo, before or after they created Hera? Is she a hybrid or not?

And I have someone talking to me about Chief and Cally's child being a hybrid as well if not the first if Helo turns out to be a cylon.

This show is such a mindfuck. So awesome.

[CrystalTears]

Bah! And while I was looking for the name of Chief's wife for my last post on Wikipedia, I came across this gem and now I'm a little pissed off.

The fourth season has been rumored to be split into two halves, a case more likely given the late premiere and production delays caused by the 2007-2008 writers' strike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike) ; the first 10 episodes airing beginning April 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_4), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008),[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-12) and the second 10 installments possibly airing as late as 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-13)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-14)

[Clove]

Helo wasn't a Cylon, true. This in no way suggests that Helo is still around (or even alive!). She didn't directly interact with him, but if I stole someone's kid and then met them AND found out they were some kind of divine figure, I would probably apologize too, wouldn't you?I agree with CT, if Helo is a Cylon, he always was a Cylon... and this is the most promising suggestion yet. Helo might be the final Cylon. Making Hera actually a 13th!


I know you and others have tried to convince me that cylons will take existing people and make them cylons, but I just don't see that. Not when the 12 were already established. They didn't suddenly make 5 new cylons.

That being said, assuming that they do just manifest a likeness of an existing person and then convert them into a cylon, when did this happen to Helo, before or after they created Hera? Is she a hybrid or not?

And I have someone talking to me about Chief and Cally's child being a hybrid as well if not the first if Helo turns out to be a cylon.

This show is such a mindfuck. So awesome.QFT. And that would explain why they had two hybrid babies... to lay the groundwork for Helo actually being a Cylon... and falling in love with ANOTHER Cylon... to make a 13th Cylon. Making Chief and Cally's baby the first hybrid (unbeknownst to Adama and Roselyn, but knownst to Chief and the other three).

[Clove]

Bah! And while I was looking for the name of Chief's wife for my last post on Wikipedia, I came across this gem and now I'm a little pissed off.

The fourth season has been rumored to be split into two halves, a case more likely given the late premiere and production delays caused by the 2007-2008 writers' strike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike) ; the first 10 episodes airing beginning April 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_4), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008),[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-12) and the second 10 installments possibly airing as late as 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-13)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#cite_note-14)There aren't English words to express how I motherfucking feel about this motherfucking possibility...

[Clove]

And how perfect would it be if it were Helo and Boomer? Helo (of the 5) falls in love with Boomer (of the 7) and begins a family with her? Cylons becoming "perfect copies" of humans, down to falling in love with each other and procreating humanlike. Awesome. And at the same time humans and Cylons falling in love and procreating (Chief and Cally). That would be super cool- watch Helo!

[Sean]

I can't wait until the scene with Madame President rocking in the corner after having sucked the blood straight out of two hybrid babies just to cure her cancer.

[Warriorbird]

BSG and Firefly are pretty darn different. Both fun.

[Latrinsorm]

Speaking of people abused by the Cylons: CALLY.

I would say Helo was replaced after the impregnation at some point. And when you say "they" didn't suddenly make 5 new ones, that's one of the main problems here: we don't know who hid the identities of the Final Five, or why, or what their general deal is. I'm just looking at all possibilities, and anxiously awaiting a resolution! :)

[thefarmer]

Since I'm too lazy to look it up, I could have sworn I stopped watching this show about 10 years ago.

Or is this a new version?

[CrystalTears]

It's a new version.

[thefarmer]

Is it in any related/continuous to the original series?

If so I might take a look.

[CrystalTears]

It's revamped. The took the gist of the original and modernized it. You should definitely check it out.

[Clove]

Speaking of people abused by the Cylons: CALLY.

I would say Helo was replaced after the impregnation at some point. And when you say "they" didn't suddenly make 5 new ones, that's one of the main problems here: we don't know who hid the identities of the Final Five, or why, or what their general deal is. I'm just looking at all possibilities, and anxiously awaiting a resolution! :)Six mentions that there are 12 models in the mini-series. All 12 existed at that time. If Helo is a Cylon he's been a Cylon the entire time (just like ALL THE OTHER FUCKING CYLONS).

However, it COULD be Caly instead of Helo. I'm sure Lawless would have known about Caly on New Caprica and she'd probably be pretty remorseful about that death-order. In either case I'm still really attached to the idea that ONE of the couples is full Cylon. It would tie up things nicely.

Not only that it would explain why Lawless' model had to be "retired". She knows too much.

[Tisket]

It's going to be Dirk Benedict. You watch.

[Clove]

John Colicos

http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/thumb/9/91/Baltar.jpg/200px-Baltar.jpg

[Drew]

30 minute warning.

[Revalos]

Episode was solid... Baltar (and Baltar^2) is the fucking king! Literally and figuratively.

[Tisket]

Couple things about tonights episode...

I thought Lee's sendoff to civilian life was a bit over the top. I mean, where is he GOING? The remaining human population is that of a small town. It's not like he is never going to see these people again. Yet that is what it felt like with some people, Starbuck, Dee, etc. specifically saying "Goodbye" in a very formal way instead of "see ya around dude".

Yay for Cylon civil war! Man, I want some of that tincan muscle. And when the fuck are they going to unbox Xena?

Also, Latrinsorm dissected that Last Supper photo to death, however, Ron Moore, the executive producer specificaly stated in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, that noone in that photo is going to be the final Cylon.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/04/ron-moore-on-ba.html



MR: Just so I understand what I think you told EW for the story that went with the photo, none of the people in that photo is the final Cylon, right?

RDM: Yeah. I said that. I probably shouldn’t have said that [laughs] but I have said that. So, yeah [that is the case, the final Cylon is not any of the people in the photo].

I suppose that could be a bogus claim just to throw people off. Who WASN'T in that photo? Cally? Dunno who else.

[Clove]

I suppose that could be a bogus claim just to throw people off. Who WASN'T in that photo? Cally? Dunno who else.I tend to take those kind of statements at face value, so I don't think it was a false claim. Helo's in it, but Cally would work just as well.

[Latrinsorm]

Couple things about tonights episode...

I thought Lee's sendoff to civilian life was a bit over the top. I mean, where is he GOING? The remaining human population is that of a small town. It's not like he is never going to see these people again. Yet that is what it felt like with some people, Starbuck, Dee, etc. specifically saying "Goodbye" in a very formal way instead of "see ya around dude".I figured it had more to do with finally actually being able to say goodbye to a member of the military as opposed to them being KIA. Besides on New Caprika, has anyone else left the service alive?
Ron Moore, the executive producer specificaly stated in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, that noone in that photo is going to be the final Cylon.And let me be the first to say: fuck Ron Moore, fuck Chicago, and I am going to lose my fucking MIND if they space Cally in the next episode.

Important characters I can think of that aren't in the poster: Cally, Dualla, Tory, Gaeta.

[Tisket]

I figured it had more to do with finally actually being able to say goodbye to a member of the military as opposed to them being KIA.

Actually a good reason to celebrate and be formal then I guess. It just jarred me with the goodbyes like he was leaving the show or something.

[Sean]

I never noticed that they are letting/going to let people stream the new eps early online at noon on friday .. wtfs with discriminating against people with jobs!

[Drew]

Important characters I can think of that aren't in the poster: Cally, Dualla, Tory, Gaeta.

Don't we already know Tory is a Cylon?

[Latrinsorm]

That's what she says, but I see no reason to trust her.

[Asha]

I wish I could watch them, it's totally something I'd love but the NYPD Blue camera shake makes me really sick.

QQ

[Revalos]

What about Zarek? Or scary religious nutbag girl (the one that had Baltar bless her son)? I could see Cylons there.

Anyway, Cally is going to die. It may be self inflicted too since her husband, who was originally fucking a Cylon, is a Cylon, and their kid is a cybrid...oh yeah, and she'll know who the other three final cylons are. Yep...she is dead. Too bad too...I like her character.

[Rimalon]

After some discussion last night, it's come to my attention that the Fifth Cylon probably isn't someone on Galactica (as they would have heard the music too.)

Also consider that it doesn't necessarily have to be someone ALIVE. For all we know, the Fifth could be someone who has died in the past but has been revived and could be the leader of the welcoming party when they get to Earth or something.

How about BILLY? Remember Billy? They could bring back anyone, really.

[Clove]

Anyway, Cally is going to die. It may be self inflicted too since her husband, who was originally fucking a Cylon, is a Cylon, and their kid is a cybrid...oh yeah, and she'll know who the other three final cylons are.Unless she too, is a Cylon.


After some discussion last night, it's come to my attention that the Fifth Cylon probably isn't someone on Galactica (as they would have heard the music too.)...They could bring back anyone, really.I thought about the music too, but after a discussion with my fellow fans we concluded that just because those 4 were "programmed" to hear the music at that time doesn't mean the last one was.

Good point on people who died in the past. It would be nice to see Billy back. The "resurrection" concept is worth considering.

I still think it's Cally or Helo though because it would just be too perfect if one of the hybrids really turned out to be a pure Cylon, made the old-fashioned way by Cylons in love with other Cylons. At that point they would have emulated humanity perfectly.

[Latrinsorm]

A thought occurs: we were told the Cylons couldn't procreate with each other, hence the whole hybridization attempt. It's awfully peculiar that none of the male Cylons that had infiltrated the fleet managed to impregnate a human female - could it be that male Cylons are simply infertile? Also, wouldn't Cylon sperm look hilarious with the little red light going back and forth?

[CrystalTears]

Maybe they didn't know they could procreate.

Chief has a child.

The end. :D

[Latrinsorm]

HUMAN Chief. :D

[CrystalTears]

Heh, yeah. Continue on with your swapping out theory.

[Clove]

A thought occurs: we were told the Cylons couldn't procreate with each other, hence the whole hybridization attempt. It's awfully peculiar that none of the male Cylons that had infiltrated the fleet managed to impregnate a human female - could it be that male Cylons are simply infertile? Also, wouldn't Cylon sperm look hilarious with the little red light going back and forth?I don't buy it. If a Cylon female can have a child with a human male (Helo and Boomer) and a Cylon male can have a child with a human female... what exactly prevents a Cylon from impregnating another Cylon? Infertile? Then how did the Cylon get impregnated or impregnate a human?

[Sean]

If the 7 are programmed never to think of the 5 etc. who exactly is swapping out these doppleganger cylons for their humans counterparts in Latrins theory?

[Latrinsorm]

I don't buy it. If a Cylon female can have a child with a human male (Helo and Boomer) and a Cylon male can have a child with a human female... what exactly prevents a Cylon from impregnating another Cylon? Infertile? Then how did the Cylon get impregnated or impregnate a human?This buttresses my point (CT's dissension notwithstanding!): we definitely know female Cylons can have kids. If male Cylons could reproduce, wtf would they need human/Cylon hybrids for? Therefore, male Cylons can't reproduce and the switcheroo is the answer! :D
If the 7 are programmed never to think of the 5 etc. who exactly is swapping out these doppleganger cylons for their humans counterparts in Latrins theory?There are plenty of Cylons that aren't the 7: centurions, raiders, hybrids (the base star kind), plus the whole older series hasn't been explored much beyond Razor. Then of course there's always the Cylon God, he (or she) apparently is up to all sorts of hijinx.

[Clove]

This buttresses my point (CT's dissension notwithstanding!): we definitely know female Cylons can have kids. If male Cylons could reproduce, wtf would they need human/Cylon hybrids for?Who says all Cylons need hybrids? Who says reproduction isn't one of the improvements given the final five?

[Tisket]

I kind of like the idea of Gaeta as the final Cylon. All of the four cylons revealled right at the end of season three were senior members of the new Caprica resistance - Gaeta was their secret assistance. The hidden Cylons seemed to take up support positions with prominent humans: Tory as aide to the president and Tigh as Adama's 2nd... Gaeta seemed to have that role with Baltar

But, disregarding that Moore interview for a moment, I still like the idea of Roslin as the final Cylon. Who says Moses has to be human. And, considering that Anders suffered from a disease toward the end of season two, I wouldn't be at all surprised that a final five could succumb to cancer. Especially since they were said to be profoundly different from other skinjob cylons. We already know they can age (Tigh).

I think we will see a lot of red herrings before the final cylon is revealed. Like that girl who saved Baltar by ripping a pipe out of the wall and whupping ass on two rather large men. I just doubt the final cylon will be a new character, it would be too jarring.

Also, is it possible that one or more of the four hidden Cylon's are, in fact still human but were brainwashed into thinking they are Cylons, possibly while in captivity on New Caprica? Which means there could be at least one unidentified Cylon besides the final one. One thing the writers have been consistent about is unexpected plot twists. Just saying.

[Agamemnon]

Is there a website or something where I can catch up on what the fuck is happening. Kthx. BTW, I just saw the show last night on SciFi and it's like the most freakin' coolest scifi show I saw. Why do good shows get canceled? Hmm...

[Revalos]

Best website for recaps in general:

Televisionwithoutpity.com

And BSG wasn't technically cancelled...just will end earlier than previously thought due to the writer's strike.

[Latrinsorm]

This (4) was always going to be the last season. The writer's strike may have caused a lengthy break to take place between the first and second halves of the season, but that's nothing new for Battlestar.

[Clove]

Battlestar movies FTW.

[Revalos]

Caaaaalllled it! Well pretty much called it...

That was kind of a meh episode for me because of that though. I mean...nothing was really advanced, except Tyrol's descent into madness.

[Tisket]

I am going to lose my fucking MIND if they space Cally in the next episode.

hahaha

Bitch is space debris now.

[CrystalTears]

She'll be back. :D

[Latrinsorm]

:(

Also, I used to really like Tory but she kind of became a murderous, conniving bitch for no real reason.

ALSO also, I don't think I'll ever get tired of the "one person talks about someone being a Cylon in secret in front of someone else who actually IS a Cylon in secret and IT'S SO FUCKIN' TENSE" move. I wonder who'll be the first to snap under the pressure.

Also ALSO also, am I the only one that sees Apollo competing with his dad for Roslin's affections soon? "I don't need a junior delegate being my spokesman... now lose those pants, sailor."

[Drunken Durfin]

Is it just me, or have the past few episodes really sucked? What is this now, three weeks of buildup with no real substance?

Annoyed.

[Tisket]

I don't think they have sucked but I doubt they would attract new fans on their own merit either.

I admit that my attention wandered a bit which is something that pretty much never happens during new episodes.

[Trouble]

Is it just me, or have the past few episodes really sucked? What is this now, three weeks of buildup with no real substance?

(bump)

The past three episodes have been interesting IMO, let's hope they keep it up.

[Revalos]

Did anyone watch the previous for the next episode? Uh...maaaaaajor spoiler alert on there.

[Tisket]

It doesn't air for another half hour in my corner of the world. Got the beer chilling now!

Speaking of spoilers though: http://gizmodo.com/393426/cylons-baseships-run-windows-xp

[CrystalTears]

Did anyone watch the previous for the next episode? Uh...maaaaaajor spoiler alert on there.
You can't be sure Diana was talking about the president just because they put her shocked face. That could be regarding the news of who is the last Cylon, not necessarily her.

You really think after the incredible way this show has been written that they'll let out who the last Cylon is in a commercial? C'mon.

[Tisket]

I agree. It's a red herring.

And also, so much for cylon's being infertile with other cylons. Tigh's gonna be a poppa.

[Latrinsorm]

I haven't watched since my last post in this thread but I feel safe in saying that everything that happened since that disagrees with my half-baked theories took place in a dream or possibly an alternate reality. :yes:

[Tisket]

You should watch. I think Callie is going to be the fifth cylon.

[CrystalTears]

Why do you think she's going to suddenly show up on the base ship for her to be recognized by Diana?

[Tisket]

I'm yanking Latrin's chain. He lubs Cally.

[CrystalTears]

Ah. :lol: Okayy!

[radamanthys]

Jesus fracking baltar, this ep is intense so far.

[radamanthys]

So, I guess we don't get to know who the fifth is until next year. Sad panda.

[Clove]

I really think Sci-Fi execs need to consider fans snapping and issuing death threats if they keep fucking with us like this.

The episode was awesome. They better resume the 2nd half soon.

[Revalos]

Totally. Fucking. Awesome.

They should have ended the series right there though. There is no fucking way you can top that.

Holy shit.

EDIT: Apparently during the writer's strike, they actually considered doing just that. I honestly could give a rat's ass about the rest of the unsolved mysteries, ending the series right here would take this to classic status. Too bad Charlton Heston wasn't alive to see this...he could have had a cameo!

[Ravenstorm]

You know a show is good when you notice you're holding your breath. Repeatedly. Damn good show.

[radamanthys]

I had to get up and walk around, repeatedly during the ep.

Yea, I'm still wondering about the fifth, and what the deal with the children is. And what the frack happened with Kara. They've a few things to tie up now.

Don't forget that there's another baseship out there with the other half of the cylon race on it...

[Tisket]

Good fucking episode. Not even slightly surprised that they found earth in a nuclear winter. The writers have made every gain humanity makes a huge ass struggle. Handing them a pristine earth would have been to easy.

And I about threw something at the TV when I thought they were going to space Tigh. Fucking suspense.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And I about threw something at the TV when I thought they were going to space Tigh. Fucking suspense.

:yeahthat:

[radamanthys]

It was plausible, which made it nail-biting.

[Tisket]

It was plausible, which made it nail-biting.


Agreed. Also, the fact that the producers have demonstrated a willingness to kill off major characters keeps the viewers unsure who might go next. I love that about this show. I like Tigh though, I'd hate to see him go.

[radamanthys]

So... I'm curious. Didn't deana flat out say that the final fifth wasn't in the fleet?

[Tisket]

She seemed to imply as much. I don't buy it though. Her honesty is questionable at best.

[Tisket]

The end begins: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JdsfpeNURHU

January can't come fast enough.

[Revalos]

Gaaaaah....Why can't they surprise us and just start like Thanksgiving or something. I mean...everyone is watching TV then anyway, why not? January...they better have bootlegs on the computer network in Sandystan hours after they air live.