Anta

[Lord Nelek]

My return policy:

If you're not satisfied with the item once it's in your hands, we can exchange back.

[thefarmer]

I don't bother with collateral.

[Stanley Burrell]

I don't think anyone in GemStone is actually going to try bouncing with someone else's stuff in this day and age for that sort of basic transaction. Why would they?

[Stunseed]

< Anta (Focused) [General]: "Hah, you're a retard. It's confirmed. I would gladly take a neutral third party's word, since I'm so untrustworthy. You're just a shady merchant and I laugh whenever I see you get called out on it, like has been done so many times before." >

From what I've seen of you on the merchant channel, you are a pretty dick merchant, and a "jew"-ish buyer. I'd have to agree with Anta on that one.

[Stanley Burrell]

Yeah. Shinto bastard.

[Lord Nelek]

I don't have a problem admitting that I will call someone out for harassing others about the price of this or that. When someone chimes in saying your item is not worth this or that (be it mine or someone elses item). I'll ask who asked for their opinion. Something like that irritates me. If you have a problem with the price of something, don't buy it, it's really that simple.

As far as:


From what I've seen of you on the merchant channel, you are a pretty dick merchant, and a "jew"-ish buyer. I'd have to agree with Anta on that one.

Who doesn't try to get the best price possible? Is there something wrong with trying to get a good deal?

[Lord Nelek]

I don't think anyone in GemStone is actually going to try bouncing with someone else's stuff in this day and age for that sort of basic transaction. Why would they?

In this day an age, it's exchange always and never hand your item over because the moment that person accepts the item, it's theirs. If they don't want to give it back to you, there's nothing you can do about it.

I personally would rather be safe than sorry.

When the exchange starts off with her calling me a liar, or that I've changed the amount it holds from one day to the next. It's not very likely that I'm going to hand my item over without something in return. Had it been a decent human being, I might have thought otherwise.

Feel free to quote me on the following: I will exchange any item I have for sale, and if you are not satisfied with it after the exchange, I will exchange back. I'm not out to screw anyone over and I would rather have someone satisfied, then feeling they didn't get what they were paying for.

[Makkah]

I have a short sword from kobolds that I'll let you appraise for a 500k note. Dumb fuck.

[Lord Nelek]

LOL

da KREEK!

You think someone like Tsin, or any other merchant for that matter would let you hold their item while you inspected it? Doubt it!

They'll tell you the properties and do an exchange. If you don't like it at that point, hopefully they'll exchange back. Not everyone will though.

For the record, I have never scammed anyone, I have never lied about an item and I have always been more than willing to haggle over an item.

I'll try to get the best deal possible, but who doesn't? Seriously.

[Tisket]

You think someone like Tsin, or any other merchant for that matter would let you hold their item while you inspected it? Doubt it!

To be fair, not many would trust him with collateral either.

[diethx]

To be fair, I don't think this douche has ever tried to lie about the properties of his items. Nor can I blame him for wanting to make sure this person won't run off with his item. I would either ask for collateral if I didn't know the person (or at least know them by rep, or by assurance from someone I DO trust), or i'd find a trusted third party to protect both of our interests. However, I have no idea about his amulet merchanting attitude/practices, so I can't comment on that.

That doesn't mean he's not a dumb douchebag for the shit he did in his other QQ thread.

[diethx]

Oh also, why did you need 2m collateral for an item worth 1m? I just realized that. Why not just ask for a note worth the value of the item? Hello, shady.

[Lord Nelek]

However, I have no idea about his amulet merchanting attitude/practices, so I can't comment on that.

I'll admit to being a dick on the amunet. But I save it for people who make comments to other people trying to sell their items.

One thing I can't stand is someone trying to sell something and you have some know it all chime in about how they know that the item being sold isn't worth what they're asking for it.

I typically say something like, who asked for your opinion.


Aside from that, I try to be as helpful as possible to my fellow players. I answer questions frequently about how mechanics work, about what I would sell an item for, if I were selling it, and what I would pay for an item, if it's being sold. My appraisals may not be perfect 100% of the time, but it's worked for me so far and I've got enough funds to afford whatever it is that I may be interested in.

[thefarmer]

I'll try to get the best deal possible, but who doesn't? Seriously.

The same goes for the buyer of an item.

Who wants to pay more than they need to (or should)?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You should stop crying like a bitch.

[diethx]

I typically say something like, who asked for your opinion.

Let me let you in on a little secret. By posting here (or selling on the amulet, for that matter), you're opening yourself up to anyone who wants to give an opinon. You don't have to, and we don't care if you ask for it. You're gonna get it either way, so if you don't like that, don't post your shit here (or there). There's no point in getting butthurt cuz it won't change.

[Lord Nelek]

Oh also, why did you need 2m collateral for an item worth 1m? I just realized that. Why not just ask for a note worth the value of the item? Hello, shady.

Because I didn't care for how this interaction started, nor for the person themself. At that point, I was no longer interested in selling the item to this person and the only way I was going to go through the trouble of being face to face with them, is if it was an inconvenience to them and I had enough in my hands to protect me, should they choose to do something stupid.

It was to make a statement of "go away."

Just for the record, my asking price on that 4 pound, very large capacity shoulder worn haversack was 1.5m. 1m cheaper than the satchel on playershops, and 10 pounds lighter.

[Lord Nelek]

Let me let you in on a little secret. By posting here (or selling on the amulet, for that matter), you're opening yourself up to anyone who wants to give an opinon. You don't have to, and we don't care if you ask for it. You're gonna get it either way, so if you don't like that, don't post your shit here (or there). There's no point in getting butthurt cuz it won't change.

Who's crying and who got butthurt? Is anyone capable of just discussing things?

You guys are very quick on the draw, but how about just talking about things in an adult manner? You can make an assumption that I'm upset or hurt over this all you like. When it comes down to the facts, I'm just here sharing my opinion like you. The difference is I don't have to throw insults at you to attempt to make myself look right.


The same goes for the buyer of an item.

Who wants to pay more than they need to (or should)?


Like I stated, I'm all for haggling. If you don't like the price of an item, try talking to the person about it.

I don't fault anyone for trying to get a good deal. If the deal doesn't happen, so what.

[diethx]

Because I didn't care for how this interaction started, nor for the person themself. At that point, I was no longer interested in selling the item to this person and the only way I was going to go through the trouble of being face to face with them, is if it was an inconvenience to them and I had enough in my hands to protect me, should they choose to do something stupid.

It was to make a statement of "go away."

Just for the record, my asking price on that 4 pound, very large capacity shoulder worn haversack was 1.5m. 1m cheaper than the satchel on playershops, and 10 pounds lighter.

Just for the record, you said yourself in your log that the item was worth only a million silvers. There's no fucking reason you should need 2m as collateral. What fucking stupid shit could they do that you'd need protection from? Run off with your item? You'd be able to consider it sold with the sale price in your hand. No need for an EXTRA million, unless you were trying to be sheisty, or planning on running off with their overinflated note.

[Some Rogue]

That doesn't mean he's not a dumb douchebag for the shit he did in his other QQ thread.

He must have lost his heirloom.

You have been tasked to recover a delicate braided silver bracelet that an unfortunate citizen lost after being attacked by a hunter troll in Teorainn Dale near Ta'Illistim. The heirloom can be identified by the initials QQ engraved upon it. Hunt down the creature and LOOT the item from its corpse.

[diethx]

Who's crying and who got butthurt?

That would be you.


Is anyone capable of just discussing things?

You guys are very quick on the draw, but how about just talking about things in an adult manner?

Don't spew this line of bullshit. In case you don't remember, I tried asking you NICELY about the value of your items, even made the (lol) statement that I might have missed something of value, rather than fucking reaming you out from the get go like I probably should have. You didn't get ripped into until you went on the defensive, despite myself and Sthrock being nice.

[diethx]

He must have lost his heirloom.

You have been tasked to recover a delicate braided silver bracelet that an unfortunate citizen lost after being attacked by a hunter troll in Teorainn Dale near Ta'Illistim. The heirloom can be identified by the initials QQ engraved upon it. Hunt down the creature and LOOT the item from its corpse.

haha, sexy.

[Snapp]

He must have lost his heirloom.

You have been tasked to recover a delicate braided silver bracelet that an unfortunate citizen lost after being attacked by a hunter troll in Teorainn Dale near Ta'Illistim. The heirloom can be identified by the initials QQ engraved upon it. Hunt down the creature and LOOT the item from its corpse.

:lol:

And to the OP: :violin: (in two threads now)

[Lord Nelek]

Just for the record, you said yourself in your log that the item was worth only a million silvers. There's no fucking reason you should need 2m as collateral. What fucking stupid shit could they do that you'd need protection from? Run off with your item? You'd be able to consider it sold with the sale price in your hand. No need for an EXTRA million, unless you were trying to be sheisty, or planning on running off with their overinflated note.

Sorry I didn't specify exactly what I was asking for in a thrown together thought to someone I really didn't care to be speaking with. I'll try to clarify exactly so you have less to nitpick about in the future.

As far as what I ask for collateral, it all depends on the person. Act like an idiot, I'll ask for an idiotic amount from you. Start off the conversation by calling me a liar, and then demanding me to hand over my item so you can inspect it and verify what it is, just so you can make a public apology? Not gonna happen. (Who even uses collateral? I've never had to before, I bard sing all of my items and test them so when I share the information about what they are, it's accurate.)

As far as running away with their note? Nice try, but I don't need to run away with a 2m silver note when I've got 50 times that in the bank with nothing to spend it on.

You can try and try again to make me seem shady, but the facts remain unchanged. I have never scammed someone, I have never lied about an item and I have never had an unsatisfied customer. My return policy stands, if we exchange and you're not satisfied afterwards, I'll exchange back. I would rather someone be happy and satisfied with the exchange than to walk away with hard feelings.

Since it's been said multiple times now, WTF is QQ?

[Stanley Burrell]

Peep my ASCII skillz to demonstrate the QQ'd'ness:

QQ
^
___

[diethx]

As far as what I ask for collateral, it all depends on the person. Act like an idiot, I'll ask for an idiotic amount from you.

Stupidest shit i've EVER heard. Money is money and there's no reason to get more collateral than the item in question is worth. God you're a fucking idiot.

How about if the person acts like an idiot, you tell them you'd rather not do business with them over acting like a shady dillhole?


You can try and try again to make me seen shady...

Since it's been said multiple times now, WTF is QQ?

You make yourself seem shady all on your own, trust me.

And QQ means crying, cuz you're a fucking crybaby.

[Lord Nelek]

As far as what I ask for collateral, it all depends on the person. Act like an idiot, I'll ask for an idiotic amount from you. Start off the conversation by calling me a liar, and then demanding me to hand over my item so you can inspect it and verify what it is, just so you can make a public apology? Not gonna happen. (Who even uses collateral? I've never had to before, I bard sing all of my items and test them so when I share the information about what they are, it's accurate.)


Just in case I wasn't clear about what happened. Someone else was selling a shoulder worn satchel, and Anta made a comment about me needing to drop the price on mine. I chimed in pointing out the size difference, theirs medium, mine very large, and that's when she started to call me a liar.

She then stated for me to hand over my haversack, so she could inspect it, and then she would issue a public apology.

There's shady for you.

[diethx]

Just in case I wasn't clear about what happened. Someone else was selling a shoulder worn satchel, and Anta made a comment about me needing to drop the price on mine. I chimed in pointing out the size difference, theirs medium, mine very large, and that's when she started to call me a liar.

She then stated for me to hand over my haversack, so she could inspect it, and then she would issue a public apology.

There's shady for you.

That's not shady. That may be stupid, but also common, and pretty straightforward. That's the point where i'd say sorry, not interested in your business, and be on my way. Not ask for some ridiculous amount of coins that's twice the item's value. You don't really understand the meaning of collateral right? It's not so you can get DOUBLE the asking price, in the case of someone running off with your item.

[Lord Nelek]

I think it's very stupid, and I've never heard of this happening to anyone else. I seem to be the lucky one here lately.

When this happened, I wasn't selling anything, I didn't advertise anything on the amunet. Someone else was selling a satchel and she decided to make a comment on mine. After calling me a liar, she demanded I hand over my item so she can make a public apology? Sorry, but yes, I will ask for silvers in my hand while you do whatever you want with my item. If you have previously shown stupidity, I'm going to ask for an absurd amount to see how serious you are about the whole situation.

So, just to clarify. I wasn't asking for collateral to double the asking price. I wasn't selling it at all, I wasn't advertising it, my items had nothing to do with what was going on, on the amunet at the time. I asked to hold a bunch of silvers, so the person calling me a liar could look it over, and then apologize for being stupid. She wanted to hold it for free, so I took it to the other extreme by asking for an absurd amount. Simply to say, go away.

[Gan]

Simple solution:

Put the item in a playershop and let people inspect it at will. If you do your business in the landing, then use a landing playershop for that purpose.

Otherwise, its simply your word against theirs.

From a buyer's perspective, if there's any question about an item that I cant get resolved - I simply do not buy it.

From a seller's perspective, I have a shop, thats what its for.

[Parkbandit]

:rofl:

You are doing a bang up job on your reputation Nelek.

[SayGoodbye]

Wait.. so you're saying: I chimed in pointing out the size difference, theirs medium, mine very large,

And the buyer was under the impression you told them it was LA as verified by this: Anta (Focused) [General]: "I could have sworn when I was inquiring the price of your shoulderworn you told me it held a large amount. If you let me inspect it and it holds a very large amount I'll give a public apology."

AND the buyer even offered to use a third party as verified by this: I would gladly take a neutral third party's word,

If your item was what you said it was, why not let someone inspect it for the buyer and have your rep cleared and the misinformed buyer corrected instead of being thought shady?

[CrystalTears]

His rep is getting fux0red on the PC since he's pulled out of an auction thread twice because he didn't like being questioned.

I love when people come here to make a character complaint, only for it to turn around and hit him in the face.

[Asha]

Holding an item worth a million so tightly shows you're poor as fuck.
Your rep as a 'merchant' is broken too, from what I've seen.

[StrayRogue]

LOL

da KREEK!

You think someone like Tsin, or any other merchant for that matter would let you hold their item while you inspected it? Doubt it!

They'll tell you the properties and do an exchange. If you don't like it at that point, hopefully they'll exchange back. Not everyone will though.



I've been allowed to fully test items without any form of collateral whatsoever. And this isn't for garbage on the 1 mil scale, like you seem so concerned about.

It's all about who is selling and who is buying.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've been allowed to fully test items without any form of collateral whatsoever. And this isn't for garbage on the 1 mil scale, like you seem so concerned about.

It's all about who is selling and who is buying.

QFT

[Lord Nelek]

AND the buyer even offered to use a third party as verified by this: I would gladly take a neutral third party's word,

If your item was what you said it was, why not let someone inspect it for the buyer and have your rep cleared and the misinformed buyer corrected instead of being thought shady?

The buyer didn't offer to use a third party. She stated she took the advice from a third party.

Also, my items will not leave my hands, without a note exchange for the asking price.

Refer back to my exchange policy.

[Daniel]

What the fuck are you walmart?

[Lord Nelek]

His rep is getting fux0red on the PC since he's pulled out of an auction thread twice because he didn't like being questioned.

I love when people come here to make a character complaint, only for it to turn around and hit him in the face.

You people act like you control so much and the PC is so important.

Here's a newflash for you. It's not.

I still get IM's daily about, how much for this, do you have any of these for sale? etc.

People can see through the trolling, sniping, bullshit posts.

It's pretty simple at this point, if you start off an interaction with me in a bad way, I'm not going to give you a good deal or be nice to you.

If you want to hold my item, while you do anything to it, we will do an exchange for my asking price. If you're not satisfied after the exchange, we exchange back. Clear cut and simple.

You people are good at making a mountain out of a mole hill. It still doesn't change the fact that I have had many happy customers and will continue to have happy customers, whether a couple of you from the PC have issues or not.

[Latrinsorm]

When someone chimes in saying your item is not worth this or that (be it mine or someone elses item). I'll ask who asked for their opinion. Something like that irritates me. If you have a problem with the price of something, don't buy it, it's really that simple.Who asked your opinion of their opinion?
You people are good at making a mountain out of a mole hill.c.f. the first post in this thread. :)

[Lyonis]

(Who even uses collateral? I've never had to before

QFT, what kind of fucking loser uses collateral?!?!?!?! IN GS LAWL



Just for future reference, if you want to check out any of my items, I will require collateral in exchange. If you're not satisfied with the item once it's in your hands, we can exchange back. That has always been my policy, always will.


Awwww shit

No idea why Anta would think you were inconsistent about an item from day to day :shrug:

I could nitpick your story of whether or not you were even selling anything in the first place, but I'm hung over and I think the point is well made. So would you let a third part inspect the satchel? Just curious is all :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/imagedream/Funny/nagsuckatlife.jpg

[Some Rogue]

That's disturbing....

I was thinking more along the lines of

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/gay_thread.jpg

or maybe

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/negative17.jpg

[Lord Nelek]

Just sold my 7x 8 pound fulls for 10m.

Getting closer and closer to that 100m mark.

What happens when I get there? Do I get a cookie?

[StrayRogue]

Gratz. Your eCuppeth floweth over.

Btw, having money does not make you less of a dick.

[Asha]

Gratz. Your eCuppeth floweth over.

Btw, having money does not make you less of a dick.

Tsin. QFT.

btw WOWIE over 100m!!!

[Nieninque]

Gratz. Your eCuppeth floweth over.

Btw, having money does not make you less of a dick.

p.s. It's not real.

[StrayRogue]

OH NO

[Nieninque]

I meant it to him.

[StrayRogue]

I self-owned there :(

[Stanley Burrell]

Seriously though, girls love anal from Tibetan monks.

Die of intermittent rabies.

[diethx]

If you want to hold my item, while you do anything to it, we will do an exchange for my asking price.

And by that, you mean, double your asking price :D

[Asha]

Am I the only one getting double entedre with that

[diethx]

Am I the only one getting double entedre with that

Yes.

[Stanley Burrell]

Am I the only one getting double entedre with that

No.

[Asha]

You can hold my item and do anything with it, if you like :heart:

[diethx]

You can hold my item and do anything with it, if you like :heart:

Lucky Stanley, lulz

[Stanley Burrell]

OMG WE BOYFRIEND AND BOYFRIEND.

[Asha]

ROFL unlucky timing Stan

[Stanley Burrell]

Fuck. The Lysander threads finally made me lose my remaining sanity. This Lord Nelek fellow was the final text-based straw that broke the camel's vertebrate and fed its bone fragments to the children. Holy shit.

[diethx]

ROFL unlucky timing Stan

lol!!!

[Stanley Burrell]

I blame The Jews.

[yesicj]

Just sold my 7x 8 pound fulls for 10m.

Getting closer and closer to that 100m mark.

What happens when I get there? Do I get a cookie?

I'm just curious who would buy those from you for 10 so soon after you bought them from me for 9.

[Lord Nelek]

I'm just curious who would buy those from you for 10 so soon after you bought them from me for 9.

I bought them from Starshatter for 10m.

Who are you?

[StrayRogue]

BIG PROFIT

[Lord Nelek]

No profit.

It's not about making a profit on every item.

[StrayRogue]

I disagree.

[Asha]

He's nearly got 100m silvers, mate.
He is serious business.

[Gan]

No profit.

It's not about making a profit on every item.

If that were the case, you wouldnt have asked for double the price as collateral for an inspection.

[Stunseed]

< Who doesn't try to get the best price possible? Is there something wrong with trying to get a good deal? >

There's something wrong when your offers are nothing short of insulting, the same reason YOU get butt-hurt in your threads. It's called "jewin it up", or being "jew"-ish.

For instance, you fucking read a Minimum Bid, nicknamed MB. It has a number there, which is a measure. You see 2k, or two-thousand ( 2000 ) silvers is bigger than 1k, or one-thousand ( 1000 ) silvers.

Your kind of dealing is offer 50 bucks when the MB, or minimum bid, is 200. Jewin' it down, or simply being a limp dick who feels the need to be the equivalent of Fred Sanford. Next time you should offer them a used bath tub, you douche.

[yesicj]

I bought them from Starshatter for 10m.

Who are you?

Someone who got confused. My bad; forget I said anything.

[Warriorbird]

I've had Tsin let me hold stuff with no collateral. Complaints don't make transactions work...they inhibit commerce.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8462/emoviking2fl4jk2.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

I've had Tsin let me hold stuff with no collateral. Complaints don't make transactions work...they inhibit commerce.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8462/emoviking2fl4jk2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Mushroom.jpg

The notion that Nordic Vikings used A. muscaria to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samuel Ödman in 1784. Ödman based his theories on reports about the use of fly agaric among Siberian shamans. The notion has become widespread since the 19th century, but no contemporary sources mention this use or anything similar in their description of berserkers. Today, it is generally considered an urban legend or at best speculation that cannot be proven. On the whole, muscimol, the psychoactive ingredient, is a mild relaxant, but it is widely known, as with all drugs that it can create a range of reactions within a range of people and it is possible that it could make a person incredibly angry, as well as make them "very jolly or sad, [jump] about, [dance], [sing] or [give] way to great fright".

[Warriorbird]

Amanita muscaria grows in VA. A kid at camp ate some and threw up for nearly a day. The mushrooms in Mario are references to the Taoist shamanic concept of the 'Isle of Blessed.' where there were mushrooms that granted you a new immortal life.

The upshot is Nelek should treat GS more like Super Mario and less like SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[LordThoranios]

Nelek,

You're shooting your merchanting in the foot this week. Ive sold my share of items in this game and never used the exchange verb. I have also bought high end items from many merchants (Sergey,Tsin, Hakonne, Ardwen) and never had any one of them use the exchange verb and have actually had many of them offer for you to test a high end item as to its true properties.

[Lord Nelek]

Nelek,

You're shooting your merchanting in the foot this week. Ive sold my share of items in this game and never used the exchange verb. I have also bought high end items from many merchants (Sergey,Tsin, Hakonne, Ardwen) and never had any one of them use the exchange verb and have actually had many of them offer for you to test a high end item as to its true properties.

Since you're one of my most recent transactions, thank you and thanks to others who have shown me private support. I realize that this is a no win situation for me no matter what I say.

I'd like to add though, that you did mention the biggest names in the business, and I would gladly hand over whatever I had to any one of those people. Or anyone who is honest, trustworthy and seems like a good person.

My last question is, can any of you honestly say you'd hand something of yours off to someone you've never met, and who starts off your business transaction by insulting you? If so, I find that hard to believe but they say there's one born every minute.

[StrayRogue]

People who make cock's of themselves, then go back and edit out all their stupidity, are more stupid than they were to begin with.

[Warriorbird]

Now that you've hit 100 mil... treat it like this... for small ante items (like this was)... think of it as an opportunity to make money off of annoying people. For high end items say you don't want to deal with them because of their rudeness. It doesn't lay it on not trusting them.

[Latrinsorm]

I realize that this is a no win situation for me no matter what I say.There are quite a few things you could say to improve your situation (i.e. reputation), you simply refuse to say them.

[thefarmer]

Reputation is everything to a merchant.

Good, bad, nonexistant, only have cheap stuff, only have expensive stuff, likes to "Jew", etc etc.

It all makes a difference in how much money you make.

[Stanley Burrell]

Amanita muscaria grows in VA. A kid at camp ate some and threw up for nearly a day.

LoL. You could not pay me to eat such backyard mycology. Especially when it's only one or two taxonomic-phylogenetic classifications away from being an Angel of Death Mushroom. I don't like to eat mud. Closest I've come is Greek coffee.

And my own personal German scat films; EINS, ZWEI, DREI, 2GIRLS1CUP, Schhhhhhhrodingerbird!


SERIOUS BUSINESS.

http://phonedifferent.com/images/2007/09/koolaid5b.jpg

The red pitcher of talking juice concurs.

I :heart: absurdism. And the Jews. Especially Stunseed.

[Stanley Burrell]

Amanita muscaria grows in VA.

Er, I'm not bashing fungi; smoking fly amanitas is extremely effective at reducing anxiety in a not-sticking-a-heroine-needle-up-your-ass fashion (not speaking from firsthand experience, sorry, web-bulletin board witchhunters) I will say that much. I'd recommend them to smokers or sufferers of chronic anxiety in a heartbeat. Extremely mild when aerosolized. Legal. And not eaten to form cystic spore colonies in your small intestines/Yey for not mycoses because you ate floor-feces.