CBS Exposes Hillary Clinton Bosnia Trip.

[Gan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4



:lol:

[Bobmuhthol]

Awesome.

[JohnDoe]

Lets keep our fingers crossed that some footage of Obama sitting in the same room when Wright is talking nonsense surfaces.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Sure will be interesting how she'll explain this away.

[Bobmuhthol]

Her campaign aide already spelled it out for us: she meant that snipers existed in the country, not that she was ever in any sort of danger.

[JohnDoe]

This morning, when I walked to my car to go to work, I remember driving away under sniper fire. I drove down the road with my head down to get down to the end of my street. Now that is what happenend.

To be clear, there are snipers on the planet. I was not in any sort of danger.

[Back]

Over the last week we had...

Hillary Clinton: Misremembering her trip to Bosnia.

John McCain: Confusing Al Qadea with Iran and now dealing with campaign finance issues.

Barrack Obama: Addressing an issue America faces with honesty and eloquence.

The media: How they covered all those stories.

PS. It wasn’t CBS that exposed the Hillary/Sniper story. lrn2internetz.

[Clove]

Over the last week we had...

Hillary Clinton: Misremembering her trip to Bosnia.

John McCain: Confusing Al Qadea with Iran and now dealing with campaign finance issues.

Barrack Obama: Addressing an issue America faces with honesty and eloquence.

The media: How they covered all those stories.

PS. It wasn’t CBS that exposed the Hillary/Sniper story. lrn2internetz.

Back: Pledging his undying emo love for Obama

[Jesuit]

Over the last week we had...

Hillary Clinton: Misremembering her trip to Bosnia.

John McCain: Confusing Al Qadea with Iran and now dealing with campaign finance issues.

Barrack Obama: Addressing an issue America faces with honesty and eloquence.

The media: How they covered all those stories.

PS. It wasn’t CBS that exposed the Hillary/Sniper story. lrn2internetz.

Obama wasn't addressing it with honesty and eloquence, he was doing damage control because he doesn't want white people to know how much of an America-hating racist he really is.

[Mabus]

When I saw "CBS Exposes Hillary Clinton" I lost my appetite.

I thought it might be like a "Britney Spears gets out of car" picture...

Yuck!

[Gan]

PS. It wasn’t CBS that exposed the Hillary/Sniper story. lrn2internetz.

PS. If you clicked on the link, you'll see it was the title of the youtube video. Lrn2Internetz.

:loser:

[Gan]

Lets keep our fingers crossed that some footage of Obama sitting in the same room when Wright is talking nonsense surfaces.

Actually, after a reporter came forward for NPR and verified that Wright was indeed present for at least one of the sermons, Obama's story did change.

The video that the McCain staff member produced (and was later fired for) showed how Obama changed his story as the time progressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4

Keep in mind, the video is pretty politically inflammatory. But it covers the clips where Obama modified his story.

[Clove]

When I saw "CBS Exposes Hillary Clinton" I lost my appetite.

I thought it might be like a "Britney Spears gets out of car" picture...

Yuck!

:rofl: Winner!

[AnticorRifling]

That pastor is going to lose the race for Obama.

[Bobmuhthol]

That Obama video sucked.

[Clove]

That Obama video sucked.

x10 It was like Max Headroom directed by Michael Moore.

[Gan]

(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton said she "misspoke" last week when she gave a dramatic description of her arrival in Bosnia 12 years ago, recounting a landing under sniper fire.

Clinton was responding to a question Monday from the Philadelphia Daily News' editorial board about video footage of the event that contradicted her assertion that her group "ran with our heads down" from the plane to avoid sniper fire at the Tuzla Air Base, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for rival Sen. Barack Obama's campaign, said the Bosnia claim was part of "a growing list of instances in which Sen. Clinton has exaggerated her role in foreign and domestic policymaking."
Clinton (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html) told the paper's editorial board it was a "minor blip."

"I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

In a foreign policy speech last week at George Washington University, Clinton used the description of the dangerous arrival to bolster her argument that she has the foreign policy experience needed to be commander in chief.

She said when she arrived in Bosnia (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina) on March 25, 1996, "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

But news video footage of her arrival at Tuzla shows Clinton, then the first lady, calmly walking from the rear ramp of a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane with her daughter Chelsea, then 16, at her side. Both Clintons held their heads up and did not appear rushed as they walked toward the group waiting on the tarmac to welcome them.

The video shows Clinton spending several minutes talking with the group, including an 8-year-old Bosnian girl who presented her with a poem, and later greeting U.S. troops.

Clinton has mentioned the sniper fire at least twice earlier in the campaign, including in December in Dubuque, Iowa, before the caucuses in that state.

"We landed in one of those corkscrew landings and ran out because they said there might be sniper fire," Clinton said. "I don't remember anybody offering me tea on the tarmac when that was happening."

Clinton's campaign has made foreign policy experience a centerpiece of her effort to come back against Obama (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/barack.obama.html), whom she is trailing in delegates for the Democratic presidential nomination.

During Monday's editorial meeting -- in which Clinton was seeking the Daily News' endorsement ahead of Pennsylvania's April 22 primary -- she was asked about the apparent discrepancy. The newspaper reported her response:

"Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK -- because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke -- I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire -- that's not what I was told," she told the newspaper.

"I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it."

The first lady's official schedule for the day -- made public by the National Archives last week -- said U.S. Ambassador John Menzies would introduce Clinton to the greeters, the Bosnian girl would read her poem and Clinton would meet a seventh-grade class.

The schedule noted that Ejup Ganic, the acting president of Bosnia, would be among those greeting the first lady.

Video footage showed Clinton walking on the tarmac with about a dozen young people, but it was not clear if they were the seventh-graders mentioned on her schedule.

American comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crowe were also on the trip with Clinton, according to the schedule.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html

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[Gan]

x10 It was like Max Headroom directed by Michael Moore.

Yea. Thats probably the real reason why the aid was fired.

I just used it because it would single source the points I was making about Obama's story change.

[Latrinsorm]

It's pretty sad when your campaign gets shown up by Sinbad.

Also, to speak a million words in one day requires speaking over 11 words a second nonstop. This is why we can't elect a woman President - no basic math skills. AMIRITE?????????????????????

[Clove]

I guess I just took it on assumption that Obama's story would change concerning his relationship with his church and pastor. That's just par for the course when you're distancing yourself from someone who's public behavior is fucking up your image.

In my opinion there's a huge difference between Hillary's flat out deceptive account of her Bosnia trip (not only doesn't it match the videos, it doesn't even match her own book) and Obama's problem with pastors (sorry I love alliteration).

Obama began tap-dancing for sure but Hillary was simply lying. I don't see any "misspoke" here.

[Gan]

It's pretty sad when your campaign gets shown up by Sinbad.

Also, to speak a million words in one day requires speaking over 11 words a second nonstop. This is why we can't elect a woman President - no basic math skills. AMIRITE?????????????????????

That and she would never STFU.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Also, to speak a million words in one day requires speaking over 11 words a second nonstop.>>

Not only does she speak a million words in one day, but she speaks millions of words every day.

[Stanley Burrell]

That Obama video sucked.

I support the press. Even though this chick seemed like a raging bag of whatsit douche. When politicians make a trip to a foreign country with poor media, it's like, they can make shit up with that much more ease.

Man, if I was foreign affairs advisor, I'd just be talking about how the aliens landed and we needed to nuke the sulfurous moon of Jupiter, Io. That must be so cool to make shit up without having anyone able to verify it.

[Clove]

...This is why we can't elect a woman President - no basic math skills. AMIRITE?????????????????????

This is our [men's] fault. It's difficult to acquire solid math skills when you're constantly being told that 4=8 (inches).

[Gan]

I'm waiting for Ilvane and TheE to come running in to defend this one.

Eagerly waiting.

:drool:

[Some Rogue]

I prefer the whole quote, not what they just put in that story. You know?


"I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

[Parkbandit]

In my opinion there's a huge difference between Hillary's flat out deceptive account of her Bosnia trip (not only doesn't it match the videos, it doesn't even match her own book) and Obama's problem with pastors (sorry I love alliteration).

Obama began tap-dancing for sure but Hillary was simply lying. I don't see any "misspoke" here.


I don't see a big difference.

[Keller]

I don't see a big difference.

:rofl: omg you're an idiot

[DeV]

This is our [men's] fault. It's difficult to acquire solid math skills when you're constantly being told that 4=8 (inches).Win.

[Clove]

I don't see a big difference.

If you don't see the difference between a tap-dance in response to public opinion, and a premeditated deceptive recount of a direct experience then I'm gonna have to refer you to some excellent eye-specialists we have up here at Yale. They're performing miracles with geriatic eye surgery :D.

[Lord Nelek]

I think what she did was stupid.

But this is worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4

It just goes to show that Obama is racist against whities.

[Stanley Burrell]

Rev. Wright is pretty awesome, actually. AYYYY-huh-MENNNN! If he doesn't say it, I doubt anyone else will.

.

[Keller]

I think what she did was stupid.

But this is worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4

It just goes to show that I can't keep up with a thread beyond parroting my anti-Obama agenda.

Fixed.

You're right. I think that video was already posted in this thread and we've been discussing it the whole time.

[Daniel]

I think it's been shown pretty convincely that you believe anything that makes Obama look bad.

So..yea. Excuse me if I'm not buying the "Obama is Racist" bullshit.

[Stanley Burrell]

I think it's been shown pretty convincely that you believe anything that makes Obama look bad.

So..yea. Excuse me if I'm not buying the "Obama is Racist" bullshit.

YOU MEAN THE STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES ARE GRASPING FOR STRAWS HERE?

A pox upon ye.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think the Republicans are going to beat the Democrats this time, the Democrats are going to beat themselves.

[Keller]

I don't think the Republicans are going to beat the Democrats this time, the Democrats are going to beat themselves.

I hope America wins.

Not a political party. But maybe that's just me.

- Keller, a member of the A-Team

[CrystalTears]

Oh please, if Hillary can't remember hundreds of billable hours in the Whitewater controversy, she certainly isn't going to remember what happened when she got off a plane 12 years ago. That woman has no memory skills.

[Stanley Burrell]

I hope America wins.

Well. We'll at least have a short victory once dickwad is out of the office. Make no mistake there.

[Gan]

YOU MEAN THE STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES ARE GRASPING FOR STRAWS HERE?

A pox upon ye.


LOL at your watered down interpretation of the issues facing the two current democratic candidates for this election season.

[Gan]

Well. We'll at least have a short victory once dickwad is out of the office. Make no mistake there.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/laridian/votenexttime.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

LOL at your watered down interpretation of the issues facing the two current democratic candidates for this election season.

If McCain makes it in with a 1% voter tally, he still isn't Bush. :worship:

[Stanley Burrell]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/laridian/votenexttime.jpg

O.K.?

My life has been defined through unbreakable truth by a JPEG. Damn it, I lose.

[AnticorRifling]

Oh please, if Hillary can't remember hundreds of billable hours in the Whitewater controversy, she certainly isn't going to remember what happened when she got off a plane 12 years ago. That woman has no memory skills.

You're kidding right?

You don't forget running for cover under sniper fire.

[Gan]

Her whole campaign reminds me of vetting job applications where applicants stretched any association with a certain skill or knowledge just so they could meet the minimum qualifications on paper - only to utterly fail the smell test once a closer look was taken at what the 'actual experience' was.

[Gan]

O.K.?

My life has been defined through unbreakable truth by a JPEG. Damn it, I lose.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[Stanley Burrell]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

The pen is mightier than the sword!



http://revolutioninjesusland.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/jesusland_liberty.gif



Just... Not the JPEG, Bitmap, and especially animated GIF :(

[Keller]

You're kidding right?

You don't forget running for cover under sniper fire.

I see a sarchasm up ahead, captain!

[Gan]

The pen is mightier than the sword!



http://revolutioninjesusland.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/jesusland_liberty.gif



Just... Not the JPEG, Bitmap, and especially animated GIF :(

Hey, if you want to hang with Canada, be my guest. Its all about the same anyways. ;)

[Stanley Burrell]

Have you ever actually been to Canada?

[AnticorRifling]

I see a sarchasm up ahead, captain!
Don't mess with me I've been looking over exemption spreadsheets for a software push all morning. Me no think goodly.

[Keller]

LOL at your watered down interpretation of the issues facing the two current democratic candidates for this election season.

I'd consider the Rev. Wright issue to be extraordinarily over-hyped. Not watered down.

[Stanley Burrell]

I'd consider the Rev. Wright issue to be extraordinarily over-hyped. Not watered down.

Quiet or I swear I will state you wrong via Google imaging, hipster.

[Keller]

Don't mess with me I've been looking over exemption spreadsheets for a software push all morning. Me no think goodly.

heh, I think you were MIA when we had the thread discussing how Hillary billed a shit-ton of hours and then under oath said she didn't remember what she worked on. CT had a few rather strong opinions.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah I've missed alot.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd consider the Rev. Wright issue to be extraordinarily over-hyped. Not watered down.

I'd agree. I have friends whom I think are ape-shit crazy, but they are still my friends. Recognizing a public official is somewhat judged by his cohorts, I still think his actions are more important.

Outright lying about something seems to run in the Clinton family though, which in my eyes is a much greater offense than having extremists for friends.

[Drunken Durfin]

"It just goes to show that Obama is racist against whities."

From what I have seen, heard and read, it seems that the church in question is not "racist against whities" but the oppressive "white men" in control of the country and the economy. If we could get past this whole divide and conquer bullshit, unite as a people and vote the corrupt establishment out of office en mass then this country would have a good chance of returning to the path of greatness that Thomas Jefferson and the like envisioned for us. Those in power are abusing the populace is ways that are ten fold worse than that which instigated the American Revolution.

Abraham Lincoln may be credited with freeing the slaves, but he only freed the black man by enslaving the rest of us with an unconstitutional income tax system. Still we are divided amongst ourselves along racial lines in a world where the only color that really makes a difference is the almighty green. Martin Luther King preached not racism and division, but unity among the people. He was assassinated, and it was not by James Earl Ray. Malcolm X did preach hate and separation, that was until his Hajj:



"You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions...

During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)-while praying to the same God with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of the blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions and in the deeds of the ‘white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.

We are truly all the same-brothers."

source: http://www.soundvision.com/Info/racism/xletter.asp



He changed his message as well, turning from a divisional view to one that would bring the people together. It was only after that that he too was assassinated as well. I am sure that if Billy Graham started putting up his tent again and took up the same campaign that he too would find himself making an untimely exit. Let's stop beating the racism drum, the real struggle in our country is not black vs. white. It is the powers that be against good, honest hard working people of every color who just want to put food on the table for their kids and see them grow up happy, safe and educated.

[CrystalTears]

You're kidding right?

You don't forget running for cover under sniper fire.
Except she wasn't. :tongue:

[Keller]

I'd agree. I have friends whom I think are ape-shit crazy, but they are still my friends. Recognizing a public official is somewhat judged by his cohorts, I still think his actions are more important.

Outright lying about something seems to run in the Clinton family though, which in my eyes is a much greater offense than having extremists for friends.

Definately.

Who a person associates with will always impact who they are and what people think of them.

I find it much more troubling that McCain refuses to denounce Rev. Falwell and the rest of the 700 club. Especially considering he did so 6 years ago. I like McCain, a lot. But I have some serious problems with the way he's handled the Christian extremists that have infested the Republican party.

[Nilandia]

Definately.

Who a person associates with will always impact who they are and what people think of them.

I find it much more troubling that McCain refuses to denounce Rev. Falwell and the rest of the 700 club. Especially considering he did so 6 years ago. I like McCain, a lot. But I have some serious problems with the way he's handled the Christian extremists that have infested the Republican party.
Pat Robertson does the 700 Club thing, fyi.

Gretchen

[Gan]

Quiet or I swear I will state you wrong via Google imaging, hipster.

LOL

Good to know that one stung a little.


:lol2:

[Keller]

Pat Robertson does the 700 Club thing, fyi.

Gretchen

You are correct.

I guess I was referencing the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I

[Stanley Burrell]

Pat Robertson does the 700 Club thing, fyi.

Gretchen

He's white, and therefor closer to God -- Making it that he can says these things through the unbendable truth that the Creator is speaking through him.

I mean, c'mon, Jesus has to associate with his crackery-skinned blue-eyed brethren that are just. Like. Him.... Why else would he be sculpted as the ultimate Caucasoid everywhere-else-in-the-world otherwise?

[Parkbandit]

If you don't see the difference between a tap-dance in response to public opinion, and a premeditated deceptive recount of a direct experience then I'm gonna have to refer you to some excellent eye-specialists we have up here at Yale. They're performing miracles with geriatic eye surgery :D.

Bosnia happened what.. 10 years ago for Clinton? Would you remember every single account as it happened? I'm certain that they briefed her prior to her arrival and probably talked about how they would probably be under sniper fire and other issues.

Yet.. Obama is given a free pass because for the past 20 years, he's listened to Rev. Wright's sermons and he would like us to believe that the only times Wright has preached racial and anti-America rhetoric are the same times he missed the sermons.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah. Obama should have just said, "I don't know what you emo crackers are so upset about." :D

[Gan]

He's white, and therefor closer to God -- Making it that he can says these things through the unbendable truth that the Creator is speaking through him.

I mean, c'mon, Jesus has to associate with his crackery-skinned blue-eyed brethren that are just. Like. Him.... Why else would he be sculpted as the ultimate Caucasoid everywhere-else-in-the-world otherwise?


http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Chinese-Jesus-Supper-3.jpg
Chinese Jesus

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2731/100557756mu.jpg
Black Jesus

http://www.millpondlicensing.com/imagedatabase/images/ChristsLove_dp.jpg
White (new/hip version) Jesus (LOL)

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2821/rollenstewart0hn.jpg
Stanley Jesus

[Back]

<--- Exceptional post.

Like finding gold after sifting through all the dirt.

[Clove]

Bosnia happened what.. 10 years ago for Clinton? Would you remember every single account as it happened? I'm certain that they briefed her prior to her arrival and probably talked about how they would probably be under sniper fire and other issues...

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

She remembered well enough to recount it correctly in her book. And even after 10 years, I'm pretty she recalls the difference between running across tarmac with head down to avoid sniper fire... and strolling to a modest reception with a CBS camera crew. If she can't she lacks the mental power to be chief executive.

[Gan]

I always thought it was rumored that Farakahn had Malcom X taken out.

[Gan]

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

She remembered well enough to recount it correctly in her book. And even after 10 years, I'm pretty she recalls the difference between running across tarmac with head down to avoid sniper fire... and strolling to a modest reception with a CBS camera crew. If she can't she lacks the mental power to be chief executive.

Who has time to think when you're saying millions of words a day?

[AnticorRifling]

Bosnia happened what.. 10 years ago for Clinton? Would you remember every single account as it happened? I'm certain that they briefed her prior to her arrival and probably talked about how they would probably be under sniper fire and other issues.



Again, you would remember if you were or weren't under sniper fire and running to a vehicle/bunker for safety.


She lied trying to fluff up what little experience she has, she got caught, she's dealing with it..albeit poorly.

[Clove]

Yet.. Obama is given a free pass because for the past 20 years, he's listened to Rev. Wright's sermons and he would like us to believe that the only times Wright has preached racial and anti-America rhetoric are the same times he missed the sermons.

-E-? Is that you?!

[Gan]

Maybe he got transcripts in advance.

:whistle:

[Stanley Burrell]

LOL

Good to know that one stung a little.


:lol2:

It stung so bad, that I'm going to finish drinking this cup of green tea and take a shit. I'm going to even take my daily shower afterwards.

It stung like the bees. The Wu-Tang Killa Beez (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY4g-avcqLc), niqquh.

[Celephais]

http://www.millpondlicensing.com/imagedatabase/images/ChristsLove_dp.jpg
White (new/hip version) Jesus (LOL)
That's Ginger Jesus.

[Gan]

Such eloquence from a NE educated (former drug addict) gentleman.

[Parkbandit]

Hey.. I'm FAAAR from anything close to a Clinton supporter.. I just think that the Obama supporters here are so quick to denounce her (and this was years of 'OMG THE CLINTONS R TEH BEST!) and excuse off anything bad that Obama did, does or whatnot.

I really couldn't give a shit who wins this next election. I see 3 weak Democratic candidates who do not share the same conservative values I do. McCain should have jumped parties in 2001 when he was talking about it.. we'd have a better nominee today.

[Stanley Burrell]

Such eloquence from a NE educated (former drug addict) gentleman.

What? Ginger Jesus?

Dude: Esse turned agua to vino, homes. How could he not have a plausible addiction?

[Parkbandit]

Such eloquence from a NE educated (former drug addict) gentleman.

:rofl: @ you trying to make any sense of Stanley.

[Stanley Burrell]

:rofl: @ you trying to make any sense of Stanley.

I like your avatar.

[Ilvane]

Hell, it frightens me when I agree with PB. And so much lately.

[CrystalTears]

Hell, it frightens me when I agree with PB. And so much lately.
:lol: Especially since you're both going to vote for the same people.

Party at your house!

[Stanley Burrell]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2821/rollenstewart0hn.jpg
Stanley Jesus

LO-ROFL-L, sorry I missed that one :blush:

My Jew-fro can and will reach such proportion, Christ-dammit. The power of His holy rainbow-Brillo compels you.

[Gan]

The campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) is seeking to play down news that the former first lady gave an incorrect account of landing in Bosnia in 1996 under sniper fire, and refused to answer additional questions about a flap that could hurt her chances of catching Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) in the race for the Democratic nomination.

“We’ve said all we’re going to say on that,” said Deputy Communications Director Phil Singer on a Tuesday morning conference call with reporters.

A video from CBS News had shown that Clinton’s version of having come under sniper fire was not correct. Her campaign chalked up the discrepancy between her account and the video as a case of Clinton misspeaking.

The Obama campaign seized on the story when it was splashed across the CBS website Monday, with spokesman Tommy Vietor saying it is “part of a troubling pattern of Sen. Clinton inflating her foreign policy experience.”
Top Clinton surrogates also sought to play down the story, which could prove to be harmful to the former first lady’s chances.

Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), who was asked about the flap on MSNBC, referred to it as a “small incident that happened 10 to 15 years ago.”

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/clinton-camp-in-lockdown-mode-over-bosnia-flap-2008-03-25.html

[Clove]

...Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), who was asked about the flap on MSNBC, referred to it as a “small incident that happened 10 to 15 years ago.”

Wait, was he talking about the Bosnia trip, or Hillary's foreign policy experience?

Party at Angela's!

[Stanley Burrell]

Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), who was asked about the flap on MSNBC, referred to it as a “small incident that happened 10 to 15 years ago.”

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/clinton-camp-in-lockdown-mode-over-bosnia-flap-2008-03-25.html

Wrong.

Drudge says it singlehandedly lead to Waco and weapons of mass destruction.

Nrrrggghhhhhhhhhq. I don't like this Republican bitch, but the next person who grasps for a straw gets a scalpel covered in Freund's adjuvant. Good fucking God. Die.

[Gan]

Wait, was he talking about the Bosnia trip, or Hillary's foreign policy experience?

LOL

And ROFL at PB's charade of supporting Hillary. You play dirty, old man.

[Jesuit]

I think it's been shown pretty convincely that you believe anything that makes Obama look bad.

So..yea. Excuse me if I'm not buying the "Obama is Racist" bullshit.

So you don't think it's racist when someone says "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race" in their book, calls their grandmother a typical white person, and has a spiritual advisor that hates white people? Would you think John McCain was a racist if he called someone a typical black person and had a spiritual advisor that was in the KKK?

[Parkbandit]

Hell, it frightens me when I agree with PB. And so much lately.

Difference is.. I'm consistent and do not have a motive for posting what I post. Like I said.. there's 3 weak democrats running for President and I really couldn't give a shit who wins. You think there's Hillary running for President and if she doesn't win, you're going to cry.

It's funny how you are seeing things in a different light. Do you not see how the media has backed Obama for President and not Hillary?

[Parkbandit]

LOL

And ROFL at PB's charade of supporting Hillary. You play dirty, old man.


Just playing devil's advocate.. literally.

[Stanley Burrell]

It's funny how you are seeing things in a different light. Do you not see how the media has backed Obama for President and not Hillary?

Yeah. There weren't any cameras on when King George II made no distinction between terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

I'm confident that the media backs the media.

[Clove]

...a spiritual advisor that was in the KKK?

Wait, you're comparing Obama's pastor to a KKK member? Or do you mean his church is a racist organization? I don't recall any accusations of Trinity organizing mobs to abuse whites, or asians, or Jews, or [insert a race]. Horrible comparison.

[Gan]

Just playing devil's advocate.. literally.


I'm going to leave you with a thought. Its something that my fellow neighbor Republican and I were discussing over a beer yesterday evening.

Unless its changed and I've been unaware of. Mitt Romney's campaign still remains in 'suspension'. When he bowed out, he did not officially quit the campaign but merely suspended it. He still owns his delegates, etc.

With that thought in mind, and with the knowledge that McCain has really not faced a real test to his own campaign yet, there still is a remote (very remote) possibility that Romney could re-enter the picture.

I can only picture this scenario if and only if McCain's campaign or himself as a candidate were to face an embarrassment so totally devistating that voters, and the GOP base, would flock to Romney should he reactivate.

And anyone who is familiar with McCain should know that this possiblity (of catastrophe) is not as far fetched as some would like to think.

So yea, chew on that a little. :whistle:

[Gan]

Wait, you're comparing Obama's pastor to a KKK member? Or do you mean his church is a racist organization? I don't recall any accusations of Trinity organizing mobs to abuse whites, or asians, or Jews, or [insert a race]. Horrible comparison.

I was thinking the very same thing.

A better analagy would have been to find someone belonging to an organization that was not inherently racist in nature to begin with, like the KKK.

Now, its not very far fetched to find a common denominator of racism amongst christian churches in the US... especially in some rural segregations in the deep south.

I wonder if you could boil down a common denominator of christianity being racist? I seem to recall many many biblical representations being given to justify why the black man was 'rightly so' inferior to the white man - as evidenced in many many documentaries I've watched over the years.

Hmmmmm.

:thinking:

[Jesuit]

Wait, you're comparing Obama's pastor to a KKK member? Or do you mean his church is a racist organization? I don't recall any accusations of Trinity organizing mobs to abuse whites, or asians, or Jews, or [insert a race]. Horrible comparison.

Doesn't have to be the KKK exactly, that wasn't my point. I was just saying what if McCain's spiritual advisor preached hate against black people.

[Parkbandit]

Um.. it's only racism if a white man does it.

DUR

[Clove]

Doesn't have to be the KKK exactly, that wasn't my point. I was just saying what if McCain's spiritual advisor preached hate against black people.

Heh, I think it's racist on its face to assume McCain's advisor would be white. But to answer your question if McCain's spiritual advisor had behaved the way Obama's did (only focused on blacks) I wouldn't be up and arms about it either. But then I didn't think Imus should have been fired.

I do not agree that Obama's church or pastor preaches racial hatred though at times (like all of us) they may act racist. This doesn't compare them to organizations like the KKK. Period.

[Jesuit]

Heh, I think it's racist on its face to assume McCain's advisor would be white. But to answer your question if McCain's spiritual advisor had behaved the way Obama's did (only focused on blacks) I wouldn't be up and arms about it either. But then I didn't think Imus should have been fired.

I do not agree that Obama's church or pastor preaches racial hatred though at times (like all of us) they may act racist. This doesn't compare them to organizations like the KKK. Period.

You can think whatever your little heart desires.

[Clove]

You can think whatever your little heart desires.

How wonderfully oxymoronic.

[Parkbandit]

Heh, I think it's racist on its face to assume McCain's advisor would be white. But to answer your question if McCain's spiritual advisor had behaved the way Obama's did (only focused on blacks) I wouldn't be up and arms about it either. But then I didn't think Imus should have been fired.

I do not agree that Obama's church or pastor preaches racial hatred though at times (like all of us) they may act racist. This doesn't compare them to organizations like the KKK. Period.


I don't think Imus should have been fired either.. unless it was a business decision.

But Obama sure thought he should have been fired.

:shrug:

[Parkbandit]

I'm going to leave you with a thought. Its something that my fellow neighbor Republican and I were discussing over a beer yesterday evening.

Unless its changed and I've been unaware of. Mitt Romney's campaign still remains in 'suspension'. When he bowed out, he did not officially quit the campaign but merely suspended it. He still owns his delegates, etc.

With that thought in mind, and with the knowledge that McCain has really not faced a real test to his own campaign yet, there still is a remote (very remote) possibility that Romney could re-enter the picture.

I can only picture this scenario if and only if McCain's campaign or himself as a candidate were to face an embarrassment so totally devistating that voters, and the GOP base, would flock to Romney should he reactivate.

And anyone who is familiar with McCain should know that this possiblity (of catastrophe) is not as far fetched as some would like to think.

So yea, chew on that a little. :whistle:

There is very little chance of that happening. I think he's set himself up for a run in 2012 or 2016.. or maybe an outside shot at VP. McCain still wouldn't earn my vote with Romney as a VP.

What would be spectacular though is: Obama wins the delegate race and wins the popular vote race.. and loses the nomination to Hillary via the Super Delegates. Oh what fun that would be to watch.

:popcorn:

[Clove]

There is very little chance of that happening. I think he's set himself up for a run in 2012 or 2016.. or maybe an outside shot at VP. McCain still wouldn't earn my vote with Romney as a VP.

What would be spectacular though is: Obama wins the delegate race and wins the popular vote race.. and loses the nomination to Hillary via the Super Delegates. Oh what fun that would be to watch.

:popcorn:

That would be Hill-arious. Who would you vote for if it became a McCain-Romney ticket?

[Parkbandit]

That would be Hill-arious. Who would you vote for if it became a McCain-Romney ticket?

I think I'll be forced to vote for McCain.. but he'll never actually EARN my vote. I'll only vote for him as a lesser of three evils.

Like I said.. from my standpoint... I have 3 democrats to choose from.

[CrystalTears]

What would be spectacular though is: Obama wins the delegate race and wins the popular vote race.. and loses the nomination to Hillary via the Super Delegates. Oh what fun that would be to watch.
My god that would piss me off.

Of course then you'll see McCain have probably the fastest win in the history of America.

I hope.

[Clove]

I think I'll be forced to vote for McCain.. but he'll never actually EARN my vote. I'll only vote for him as a lesser of three evils.

Like I said.. from my standpoint... I have 3 democrats to choose from.

Hey now, be fair. You have 3 Democrats and a Green to choose from...

http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/images/cynthia_mckinney.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Would you remember every single account as it happened?I would remember every detail of every instant of every event during which someone fired a gun at my child. Maybe that's just me.

[Keller]

I would remember every detail of every instant of every event during which someone fired a gun at my child. Maybe that's just me.

Or any kind of hostile gunfire around me.

[Parkbandit]

I would remember every detail of every instant of every event during which someone fired a gun at my child. Maybe that's just me.


When you are saying millions of words a day and visiting thousands of countries every year.. I highly doubt you would remember every detail.

[Hulkein]

Definately.

Still spelling that word wrong?

:club:

:hug2:

[Warriorbird]

Thousands of countries for...

http://storymode.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/my_serious_business.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

This is getting kinda rediculous...

[Daniel]

Yeah. Obama should have just said, "I don't know what you emo crackers are so upset about." :D

QFT

[Parkbandit]

Swoosh

[Daniel]

So you don't think it's racist when someone says "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race" in their book, calls their grandmother a typical white person, and has a spiritual advisor that hates white people? Would you think John McCain was a racist if he called someone a typical black person and had a spiritual advisor that was in the KKK?

I'm pretty sure Jeremiah Wright doesn't hate white people. In fact, I know personally he doesn't.

I'm also pretty sure that you're jumping to wild ass conclusions because you have nothing else to stand on.

[Gan]

I'm pretty sure Jeremiah Wright doesn't hate white people. In fact, I know personally he doesn't.

Do tell.

[Parkbandit]

You personally know Rev. Wright now?

[Jesuit]

I'm pretty sure Jeremiah Wright doesn't hate white people. In fact, I know personally he doesn't.

I'm also pretty sure that you're jumping to wild ass conclusions because you have nothing else to stand on.

A racist quote from Obama's own book is nothing to stand on?

[Daniel]

He knows several members of my white family. In particular, he went to Seminary with my mother prior to founding trinity and was a co-delegate in the 1970's for the UCC (which is so non racist, it's not even funny) and my grandmother was an educational consultant for Trinity's adult education program.

[Warriorbird]

Given that the "racist quote" is probably about all you read of Obama's book, Jesuit... that doesn't hold too much water.

[Jesuit]

He knows several members of my white family. In particular, he went to Seminary with my mother prior to founding trinity and was a co-delegate in the 1970's for the UCC (which is so non racist, it's not even funny) and my grandmother was an educational consultant for Trinity's adult education program.

What are you going to say next? He's really your father?

[Daniel]

What are you going to say next? He's really your father?

Nah. My father is an asshole.

[Daniel]

The whole issue of Trinity UCC church being racist is so far from ridiculous it's not even funny. As a congregation, UCC Is probably one of the most socially progressive churchs in the nation. A church that preached hate would never be allowed in.

Furthermore, it's pretty outlandish to take the statements that were said and somehow make the stretch that Wright preached racial hatred. Unless of course, you equate truth (Hillary is not a black man) to somehow preaching hatred.

Which would be stupid, but then again that doesn't help your cause now does it?

[Jesuit]

The whole issue of Trinity UCC church being racist is so far from ridiculous it's not even funny. As a congregation, UCC Is probably one of the most socially progressive churchs in the nation. A church that preached hate would never be allowed in.

Furthermore, it's pretty outlandish to take the statements that were said and somehow make the stretch that Wright preached racial hatred. Unless of course, you equate truth (Hillary is not a black man) to somehow preaching hatred.

Which would be stupid, but then again that doesn't help your cause now does it?

If it's so socially progressive why did Oprah Winfrey walk out after hearing one of his speeches?

[Gan]

SERMONS!!! Damnit!

:whistle:

[Lord Nelek]

I'm sorry but from what I've seen (not read) of what that pastor preaches, it's hatred. Racist hatred.

"God bless america? No, God Damn America."

"The chickens are coming home to roost?" That was a direct quote from Malcom X.

[Warriorbird]

You're completely biased... but unlike the Republicans you're not even occassionally funny.

:)

Neither out of context quote seems particularly racist. Suggesting that the country has racist qualities certainly isn't.

[BigWorm]

"The chickens are coming home to roost?" That was a direct quote from Malcom X.

Yeah, it means the same thing as "you reap what you sow". It's an idiom. I don't see how that is racist.

[Back]

"The chickens are coming home to roost?" That was a direct quote from Malcom X.

He was quoting what an ambassador to Iraq (a white man) said about the 9/11 attacks.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

[Jesuit]

Yeah, it means the same thing as "you reap what you sow". It's an idiom. I don't see how that is racist.

I don't think it's racist at all, he's just being a typical black man.

[Clove]

He knows several members of my white family. In particular, he went to Seminary with my mother prior to founding trinity and was a co-delegate in the 1970's for the UCC (which is so non racist, it's not even funny) and my grandmother was an educational consultant for Trinity's adult education program.

What's their names? Got any pictures?

[Warriorbird]

http://tristero.blogspot.com/Pictures/stalker.jpg

[BigWorm]

I don't think it's racist at all, he's just being a typical black man.

I love how you're seizing on the typical white person quote. Wouldn't you agree that the typical white person sometimes feels uncomfortable in a group of mostly black people or that the average white woman might be afraid if a black man approached her on the street?

[Stanley Burrell]

Wouldn't you agree that the typical white person sometimes feels uncomfortable in a group of mostly black people or that the average white woman might be afraid if a black man approached her on the street?

That's not racist:

Bitch got that pimp's money and snowflake better start bleeding hundreds or there's gonna be a dead saltine on a ghetto corner. I know how this works, trust me. I grew up in the same country as African Americans and listen to Wu-Tang -- I'm obviously all about knowing Afrocentric culture by default. How could I possibly be racist when paired with my forceful claims of equality especially on a text-based gaming message board?

[BigWorm]

That's not racist:

Bitch got that pimp's money and snowflake better start bleeding hundreds or there's gonna be a dead saltine on a ghetto corner. I know how this works, trust me. I grew up in the same country as African Americans and listen to Wu-Tang -- I'm obviously all about knowing Afrocentric culture by default.

First of all, that would make you atypical, since you had exposure to black culture, which I doubt Obama's grandmother had much of when she was growing up.

I would like to see how somebody like PB would handle themselves when they are in a situation where THEY are the minority. When the tables are turned and you don't see anyone else who looks like you in a crowd, you start to understand what it might be like to be a minority on a daily basis.

[Stanley Burrell]

First of all, that would make you atypical, since you had exposure to black culture, which I doubt Obama's grandmother had much of when she was growing up.

I was trying to do the whole e-"I DID SOMETHING MORE COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE, ALBEIT STEREOTYPICAL OR TRUTHFUL AND AM THEREFOR THE ULTIMATE INTERNET BEING OF EQUALITY AND UNDERSTANDING OF ALL CULTURAL RITES." And poke fun at it, subsequently.

I grew up around a lot of Spanish, Black, Jewish and Irish immigrant kids from a certain area of The City where it was a big ol' mixing pot. Like whoa (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZK_3Bvpm8).

The intros to these YouTube videos make baby-airbrushed-viral-video Jesus cry.

[Parkbandit]

First of all, that would make you atypical, since you had exposure to black culture, which I doubt Obama's grandmother had much of when she was growing up.

I would like to see how somebody like PB would handle themselves when they are in a situation where THEY are the minority. When the tables are turned and you don't see anyone else who looks like you in a crowd, you start to understand what it might be like to be a minority on a daily basis.

I work with an asian girl, a black girl, an indian girl and a cuban male everyday. The three girls are lesbians.

I live with my wife and 2 daughers.

I'm pretty sure I know all about being a minority on a daily basis.

[Parkbandit]

Nah. My father is an asshole.

Guess we know where you got your genes from.

Just saying.

[Stretch]

I work with an asian girl, a black girl, an indian girl and a cuban male everyday. The three girls are lesbians.

I live with my wife and 2 daughers.

I'm pretty sure I know all about being a minority on a daily basis.

Only black people count as minorities, dumbass.

[Daniel]

What's their names? Got any pictures?

It shouldn't be hard for you to figure out who my mother is from what I've posted here about her. Have your brother go ask her about Jeremiah Wright.

[Daniel]

Guess we know where you got your genes from.

Just saying.

Yea. Probably.

Unfortunately for you I didn't grow up in the 1950's where I was systematically marginalized. Now you have to deal with me being an asshole and there isn't shit you can do about it.

[Parkbandit]

Only black people count as minorities, dumbass.


Shut your mouth asian.

(It's only racist if you were black)

[Parkbandit]

Yea. Probably.

Unfortunately for you I didn't grow up in the 1950's where I was systematically marginalized. Now you have to deal with me being an asshole and there isn't shit you can do about it.

:rofl:

Yea.. you are a tough guy on the internetzwebz. I forgot.

"LOOK @ ME! YOU CAN'T HURT ME ON THE INTERNET!"

[Daniel]

OooOOoooh.

[Parkbandit]

Swoosh.

[Daniel]

Zoom

[Gan]

I would like to see how somebody like PB would handle themselves when they are in a situation where THEY are the minority. When the tables are turned and you don't see anyone else who looks like you in a crowd, you start to understand what it might be like to be a minority on a daily basis.

I live in Houston. I'm exposed to that daily.

[Gan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc&eurl=http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/8_.jpg