Would You Legalize Prostitution in Your State?

[Clove]

Spitzer aside, I'm curious what the opinions are here concerning prostitution? Should it be criminal?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd legalize it. No skin off my teeth if folks want to get their freak on with a stranger. Legalizing it would also introduce some interesting dynamics. You could charge extra for a license (money to the state), require health exams (money to the medical industry), and make things safer for hookers.

[CrystalTears]

Heh, I knew this was going to happen.

I'm all for having prostitution legal. I see it as a public service, nothing more.

[Clove]

Heh, I knew this was going to happen.

I'm all for having prostitution legal. I see it as a public service, nothing more.

Yeah but what if someone were public-servicing your hubby?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah but what if someone were public-servicing your hubby?

That's for her and her hubby to figure out. Making it legal doesn't mean it should happen.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah but what if someone were public-servicing your hubby?
Well, if I had neglected my wifely duties and he was unsatisfied with sex to the point that he felt the need to seek out a prostitute, I really couldn't fault him for that. If I don't feed him, he's going to McDonald's. Such is life.

Just as long as he was protected during sex and didn't use my pillow. ;)

[Clove]

...If I don't feed him, he's going to McDonald's. Such is life.

Just as long as he was protected during sex and didn't use my pillow. ;)

Nice


That's for her and her hubby to figure out. Making it legal doesn't mean it should happen.

So we make the distinction that making something legal, doesn't mean we endorse the practice.

Just like I don't endorse smoking cigarettes, or drinking Starbucks coffee... but I'm alright with other people making their own (foolish in my opinion) choices.

[Ambrosia]

I agree with SHM.. it should be legal with strict laws put in place. Adding a little more to what he was saying, I also believe it should be an indoors industry and still not be allowed on the streets. Street walking should still be a criminal charge... which in turn means you'll still have problems from the low-class prostitutes.

[DeV]

Sure, why not. Legalize and regulate. As long as those entering the "profession" are of legal age, pay taxes, and register as a business or work for a registered one, I don't see the issue.

There are already a number of sexually oriented jobs that aren't defined as prostituion even though they are closely associated.

[NocturnalRob]

i abstain

[Some Rogue]

/Carlin

Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away. I can't follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world.

In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people. Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm.

[DeV]

i abstainFrom voting in this poll, sex, prostitution, or all of the above?

[CrystalTears]

From commenting. I'm pretty sure that's the 1 in the no so far.

[TheEschaton]

DAMN IT. I MISREAD AGAIN and thought it said "Should Prostitution be illegal?" and voted no.

So my No vote (currently half the NOs in the tally) should really be yes.

I'm having a day.

-TheE-

[Clove]

... which in turn means you'll still have problems from the low-class prostitutes.

Right, anytime you have something that's legal but regulated/restricted you have rule breakers. You have people running cash-only retail businesses that don't collect sales tax. Illegal labor. Etc., etc.

In otherwords, just because some people will always break the rules doesn't mean it might not work.

[Lysander]

Legalize prostitution with the following conditions:

1.) Create an oversight organ of the government which will monitor and regulate the following:

# Tax any and all transactions.

# Health/ID cards for prostitutes.

# Health/ID cards for John's or people who pay for prostitution.

# Make card numbers public on a government website database.

# Encourage prostitution companies rather then have solo prosittutes.

# Double all fines/penalties for prostitutes working outside of regulation.

# Prostitution companies cannot openly advertise on TV/Radio etc. for obvious reasons.

# Most file seperate permit/zoning when turning a building into a prositution business.

# Make prostitutes work as independent contractors loosely affiliated with a company to avoid pimping and abuse.

# ALL prostitutes must have a psych evaluation every 6 months as part of their license renewal.

[Clove]

DAMN IT. I MISREAD AGAIN and thought it said "Should Prostitution be illegal?" and voted no.

So my No vote (currently half the NOs in the tally) should really be yes.

I'm having a day.

-TheE-

Okay bros, when you pass the bar I'm insisting you undergo a voluntary literacy screening prior to practicing. Man up, you've earned the scrutiny :D.

[Lysander]

BTW, this will set the women's movement back by oh... 400 years or so.

[Clove]

i abstain

Maybe a prostitute could help you with your staining problem *duck*

[Lysander]

Maybe a prostitute could help you with your staining problem *duck*

I want to fuck your ferret.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Just like I don't endorse smoking cigarettes, or drinking Starbucks coffee... but I'm alright with other people making their own (foolish in my opinion) choices.

Exactly. People will always make foolish decisions, legal or not. Making something legal doesn't necessarily mean it's socially accepted in all groups. Porn is a great example of this. Smoking and drinking also are, I suppose.

I also think drugs should be out there and legal as well. If someone wants to get them, tax the shit out of it, control it's quality and let them. Just don't endanger a single person except yourself doing it, or suffer the consequences.

The definition of endanger is the difficult part, as I don't think (for instance) a person smoking in their home or a privately held business endangers anyone who cannot remove themselves from that danger. Other's have differing opinions.

[NocturnalRob]

From commenting. I'm pretty sure that's the 1 in the no so far.

Nah, I abstain from voting, prostitution, and commenting.

I stain from sex.

[CrystalTears]

Nah, I abstain from voting, prostitution, and commenting.
Party pooper.

Although you already stated plenty of opinion in the Spitzer thread so it's not like it's a big mystery anyway.

[Clove]

I want to fuck your ferret.

I'd almost let you just to see what becomes of your equipment. Darwin FTW.

*Edit* And if I could get you to PAY for the opportunity... whoo boy!

[NocturnalRob]

Party pooper.

Although you already stated plenty of opinion in the Spitzer thread so it's not like it's a big mystery anyway.

Yeah, I'm kind of worn out from it at this point. Next topic!

[Gan]

I have to ride with George Carlin on this one.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah, I'm kind of worn out from it at this point. Next topic!
Well thanks for coming to a thread on a message board just to tell us that you're not going to participate in it. I really appreciate it.

[NocturnalRob]

I have to ride with George Carlin on this one.

Do you adhere to the rules of the road?

Hey, CT, you're fucking welcome!! anything for you!!

[Jenisi]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/haha.jpg

[NocturnalRob]

okay, seriously? I think this photo has been posted about 5 times in the last 3 days. those girls are NOT attractive. stop with the post. i want to see more of the epic boobs photo. in fact, i think that photo should be in every thread, regardless of topic.

[Gan]

Do you adhere to the rules of the road?

Too many variables in that to give you a straight answer.

Lets suffice to say... "depends".

[Back]

I agree with Peter Tosh. Oh wait, wrong legalization argument.

I’d legalize prostitution. Lets be honest, its been a practice in society since... well, society began.

[Jenisi]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/epic.jpg

You're right, these chicks are hotter ;p

[NocturnalRob]

You're right, these chicks are hotter ;p

good.
sweet.
lord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtN1i3O4fY

[Clove]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/epic.jpg

You're right, these chicks are hotter ;p

And wouldn't it be nice if they were on SALE!! :D

[Back]

I never get tired of those.

[Jenisi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4-ChcL6Pzo

[Beguiler]

Yeah but what if someone were public-servicing your hubby?

Heh, who's to say the prostitute was female and the customer the hubby? It might be male and the customer the wife. That's marital dynamics, they'd have to work it out between themselves.


My husband and I have an agreement. We are free to do what seems appropriate, however boiling water would need to be applied to the groinal area to 'sanitize' it before resuming marital congress...hums...

[Fallen]

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Same for pot and gambling.

[Arkans]

Legalize and tax every vice. Prohibition doesn't work.

- Arkans

[Sean]

# Most file seperate permit/zoning when turning a building into a prositution business.

Um where don't you have to refile is your changing the principle use of a building? Sure most towns/cities would have to revise their current land use ordinances to include brothels (most already have sections for adult businesses) but if you're refering to spot zoning I think thats a bad idea.

[Clove]

Heh, who's to say the prostitute was female and the customer the hubby?...

Nobody, it was just directed at CT and I don't think she has a wife.

[Clove]

For the record I assumed legalized prostitution would be equal opportunity and hetero or homo.

My intuition is most hetero clients would be men, though. For the same reason there is so much more male-oriented porn. If woman wants to see a naked man she picks one and asks politely. Ditto for no-strings sex I imagine. Face it guys, we're just too easy.

[Nieninque]

I voted no.
It's fine and dandy when people are engaging in something they wish to, out of free will. I'm all for that. Sex slavery is a real issue for too many people and legalising prostitution wont resolve the issue for those people.

[Fallen]

You don't think regulation of the practice would help crack down on things like that, Nieninque?

[Clove]

I voted no.
It's fine and dandy when people are engaging in something they wish to, out of free will. I'm all for that. Sex slavery is a real issue for too many people and legalising prostitution wont resolve the issue for those people.

Of course it will. For starters individuals who were in that situation would be able to go to authorities when they were mistreated without having to explain their own illegal activity.

Will it resolve every instance, no- but decriminalization will IMPROVE the situation of everyone involved in the practice. And people have, do, and will practice it. Prohibition doesn't work.

[Stanley Burrell]

I think that after having headed East in New Haven enough, that unless the city/state invests heavily, that it could spiral out of control, and degrade society (esp. its inhabitants) in many ways. That's why there's only one Las Vegas. You can't downplay high-class streetwalkers and expect them to walk around every state and borough like nothing is happening. The caliber of how many forms of semantics must and have to be applied to make it seem visually legal is an art in and of itself.

[Clove]

I think that after having headed East in New Haven enough, that unless the city/state invests heavily, that it could spiral out of control, and degrade society (esp. its inhabitants) in many ways. That's why there's only one Las Vegas. You can't downplay high-class streetwalkers and expect them to walk around every state and borough like nothing is happening. The caliber of how many forms of semantics must and have to be applied to make it seem visually legal is an art in and of itself.

Stanley, ladies and gentlemen- once again illustrating for the argument to keep drugs illegal.

[Stanley Burrell]

Uh. I'm sure you'd like two-bit Bridgeport hussies knocking at your front door with solicitations due to the Prostitution Legalization Act of Never.

[Clove]

Uh. I'm sure you'd like two-bit Bridgeport hussies knocking at your front door with solicitations due to the Prostitution Legalization Act of Never.

I don't live in Bridgeport and I doubt it will be worth their trouble. We would regulate it. Christ Stan when Prohibition was dropped people weren't going door to door pushing gin.

[Sean]

I thought prostitution was legal.. I mean why else are there so many asian and russian massage parlors?

[NocturnalRob]

I thought prostitution was legal.. I mean why else are there so many asian and russian massage parlors?

prostitugtion?

eh, whatever. i made an effort. screw you guys for judging me.

[Clove]

I thought prostitution was legal.. I mean why else are there so many asian and russian massage parlors?

New Jersey never counts... :P

[Nieninque]

Of course it will. For starters individuals who were in that situation would be able to go to authorities when they were mistreated without having to explain their own illegal activity.

They could still do that now, and yet, the fear of death somehow prevents that.
They don't know their rights and dont have the wherewithall to do anything about their situation, in the face of organised traficking/prostitution rings.


Will it resolve every instance, no- but decriminalization will IMPROVE the situation of everyone involved in the practice. And people have, do, and will practice it. Prohibition doesn't work.

Neither does giving people the message that it is OK. I don't profess to know the answers to dealing with sex-slavery (as opposed to people making informed and intelligent choices to obtain money by having sex with people), I just feel that legalising it will give a message to some people that would make the situations of the vulnerable that much worse.

[Stanley Burrell]

I don't live in Bridgeport and I doubt it will be worth their trouble. We would regulate it. Christ Stan when Prohibition was dropped people weren't going door to door pushing gin.

Alcohol != Whorebags.

Really, it isn't.

[Clove]

They could still do that now, and yet, the fear of death somehow prevents that.
They don't know their rights and dont have the wherewithall to do anything about their situation, in the face of organised traficking/prostitution rings.

Okay legalizing/criminalizing has no effect on that.


...I just feel that legalising it will give a message to some people that would make the situations of the vulnerable that much worse.

How? Slavery is illegal now and it would STILL be illegal.

What you seem to be saying is that, making an activity legal is encouragement for people to abuse that activity illegally and I don't buy that.

Yes people can fall into patterns of abuse, but that pattern is MUCH easier to reinforce when it involves an illegal activity. "I'll kill you if you leave" becomes "I'll kill you if you leave, and you'll go to jail if you try to get help." It really is that simple.

[Clove]

Alcohol != Whorebags.

Really, it isn't.

Really you're full of crap. Legalizing prostitution isn't going to cause people to be harrassed by them, because we have these other laws... against harrassment.

[Stanley Burrell]

Really you're full of crap. Legalizing prostitution isn't going to cause people to be harrassed by them, because we have these other laws... against harrassment.

Uh. You mean like the kind of laws they apply to Jehova's witness and funeral protesters? That are so heavily enforced.

Look, I've been accosted by Harri Krishna. No more.

[BigWorm]

I think legalization would lower sex slavery. The inspection and exams would offer plenty of private time away from threatening people that would allow the girl the chance to rat out her employer. Also, since brothels would be more common or at least more open, the supply for such services would increase and people would be able to make a choice to use the businesses that most clearly display licenses, permits, and exam results instead of the dirty sex slave brothels that the Russians are running today in dungeons.

If the act of prostitution was legal, people would feel more uncomfortable about the shady situations that the norm in the practice today.

[Latrinsorm]

Legalize prostitution with the following conditions:

1.) Create an oversight organ of the government which will monitor and regulate the following:

# Tax any and all transactions.

# Health/ID cards for prostitutes.

# Health/ID cards for John's or people who pay for prostitution.

# Make card numbers public on a government website database.

# Encourage prostitution companies rather then have solo prosittutes.

# Double all fines/penalties for prostitutes working outside of regulation.

# Prostitution companies cannot openly advertise on TV/Radio etc. for obvious reasons.

# Most file seperate permit/zoning when turning a building into a prositution business.

# Make prostitutes work as independent contractors loosely affiliated with a company to avoid pimping and abuse.

# ALL prostitutes must have a psych evaluation every 6 months as part of their license renewal.heh heh... you said organ.

I'm with Stan on this, I've had it up to here with those Hari Krishna prostitutes.

[Clove]

Uh. You mean like the kind of laws they apply to Jehova's witness and funeral protesters? That are so heavily enforced.

Look, I've been accosted by Harri Krishna. No more.

Ok I get it now. You think we're talking about proselytizing and we're actually discussing prostitution. No big deal, it's an easy mistake.

If you think that communities wouldn't strictly enforce prostitution solicitation were it ever legalized you really ARE on drugs.

[Nessu Karthorbek]

Can we talk about proselytizing and prostitution at the same time, cause that sounds like some sexy shit.

[Warriorbird]

This from the wacko Christian.

[BigWorm]

Can we talk about proselytizing and prostitution at the same time, cause that sounds like some sexy shit.

Ever read the Bible?

[Tsa`ah]

The only reason it's not legal is due to outdated morality legislation. It's rather unfortunate that states will look at legalizing gambling before even hearing the notion of legalized prostitution.

Personally I don't care, there's no real reason why it should be illegal. The most common argument against legalization is more morality bullshit. "What if your husband visits a prostitute?" .... would it be any better if he were banging your sister or best friend? The availability of legal prostitution isn't going to change anything. If your spouse is going to cheat, they're going to cheat.

My only beef about legalization would be "zoning" since existing laws would only expand to include the practice .... existing laws include distance restrictions in reference to churches and schools (in that order). I wouldn't want it happening within a mile of any school or daycare ... fuck the churches .... they need some real competition.

[Latrinsorm]

The only reason it's not legal is due to outdated morality legislation. ... I wouldn't want it happening within a mile of any school or daycare It amazes me how you don't see the irony here.

Also... heh heh, you said beef.

[Clove]

...I wouldn't want it happening within a mile of any school or daycare...


It amazes me how you don't see the irony here...

I'd impose same zoning restrictions that are on bars, liquor stores and strip clubs. And to be fair I think the zoning restrictions are meant to limit the access of minors to adult activities. Categorizing something as not safe or appropriate for an age-group is not equal to saying it's intrinsically immoral.

[Latrinsorm]

Heh heh you said..... categorizing.
Categorizing something as not safe or appropriate for an age-group is not equal to saying it's intrinsically immoral.Sorry Clove, you're arguing a null semantic point. :D

[Clove]

Heh heh you said..... categorizing.Sorry Clove, you're arguing a null semantic point. :D

And you oughta know ALL about that.

:D

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Clove
I'd impose same zoning restrictions that are on bars, liquor stores and strip clubs. And to be fair I think the zoning restrictions are meant to limit the access of minors to adult activities. Categorizing something as not safe or appropriate for an age-group is not equal to saying it's intrinsically immoral.

I forsee a lot of lawsuits when towns make brothel zoning basically impossible.

[Gan]

We already see lots of lawsuits where zoning laws have made it very difficult if next to impossible for adult oriented businesses to exist as it is. ;)

lawyers FTW!

[Clove]

We already see lots of lawsuits where zoning laws have made it very difficult if next to impossible for adult oriented businesses to exist as it is. ;)

lawyers FTW!

Yup, then we have places that embrace the tax revenue :D.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Gan
We already see lots of lawsuits where zoning laws have made it very difficult if next to impossible for adult oriented businesses to exist as it is.

lawyers FTW!

Air buffer rules are hilarious... they also create effective monopolies in the skin market if there are pre existing strip clubs. Catch 22 I guess. I guess although towns would now have to pay for the lawsuits they'd save a bit by not having to have the police build cases against illegal prostitution rings.

[Clove]

In these parts there was a adult book store down and across the street from an art cafe. The art cafe had a mural on its exterior wall that featured semi-nudes. The town wanted to the book store owner to take down his posters of scantily clad women from his storefront window and he pointed to the art cafe's mural stating something like, all subjects in his posters were in clothing but the subjects in the mural were half-nude. It was hilarious.

[Sean]

My mural was classy god dammit.

[Clove]

So was Candy in her hot-pink thong dammit!

[Tsa`ah]

It amazes me how you don't see the irony here.

Also... heh heh, you said beef.

How .... selective of you.

Outdated morality = it's wrong, it'll destroy society, it's sinful, it destroys the institute of marriage .... so on and so forth.

These are largely arguments rooted in the churches. This has nothing to do with my statement of distance from schools. Mainly this "comfort" zone is to reduce exposure to children. I wouldn't want someone hooking on the corner of school, I wouldn't want a brothel set up across from a school .... nor would I want a bar, strip club, or adult bookstore for that matter.

I don't feel that the proximity of a religious institution should be relevant in the matter simply because including them in such zoning is a direct violation of the Constitution in my opinion. Sadly this is ignored in IL.

When the owner of an adult bookstore in CU was grandfathered in by a law that expanded the distance from 800ft to 1300 ft from a church or school (good church going folk that couldn't drive him out decided to push a statewide campaign to amend the law) he decided to locate to a more rural area off of an interstate exit. He bought the property after measuring the distance between his potential new store and the closest institution covered by the zoning law. He thought he was safe at a distance of just over 1700ft ... but no. The churches acted again and pressed IL legislation to amend the law again to 1800ft (Should be noted that Obama voted no because the amendment included churches). While he was able to obtain all of his licenses just hours before the amended law was passed ... he finds himself grandfathered in once again.

It's a rather amazing scenario in IL. We can rush legislation that allows to for the sale of beer in college stadiums to keep Bear's fans happy. We can rush legislation to amend laws to keep the churches happy ... but matters of child welfare and other social endeavors take years on the floor and mostly end up dead in the water.

[Clove]

... was grandfathered in by a law... he finds himself grandfathered in once again...


You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.

My understanding of grandfather clauses is that it is a provision exempting persons or other entities already engaged in an activity from new rules or legislation affecting that activity.

In other words if the business owner had been grandfathered in the new zoning laws he should have been able to continue operating even though he didn't fall within the restrictions because he had been operating legally under the old legislation prior to the passing of the new legislation.

In the situation you're describing the business wasn't granfathered at all. I believe "pig-fucked" is the proper legal term for what happened to him.

[ElanthianSiren]

I would legalize it.

To clove: Cheating is cheating whether it's done with a prostitute or a coworker. If a person wants sex bad enough they'll find it. Not like prostitutes will just be randomly grabbing guys off the street by the cock and dragging them into brothels.

The lack of good porn for hetero chicks though is annoying... greatly so.

[Clove]

I would legalize it.

To clove: Cheating is cheating whether it's done with a prostitute or a coworker. If a person wants sex bad enough they'll find it. Not like prostitutes will just be randomly grabbing guys off the street by the cock and dragging them into brothels.

The lack of good porn for hetero chicks though is annoying... greatly so.

You're preaching to the choir on this one- I was playing devil's advocate with CT.

[Tsa`ah]

My understanding of grandfather clauses is that it is a provision exempting persons or other entities already engaged in an activity from new rules or legislation affecting that activity.

In other words if the business owner had been grandfathered in the new zoning laws he should have been able to continue operating even though he didn't fall within the restrictions because he had been operating legally under the old legislation prior to the passing of the new legislation.

Yes, but you left out that the business can't be sold "as is". The property can change hands ... the business can't.


In the situation you're describing the business wasn't granfathered at all. I believe "pig-fucked" is the proper legal term for what happened to him.

Grandfathered on both counts. The second attempt didn't stop him as he was literally getting new licenses as the amended legislation was being voted on in the state senate.

As per your second quote ... who posted that? I find it humorous that someone is suggesting I don't know what the term means all things considered.

[Latrinsorm]

I wouldn't want someone hooking on the corner of school, I wouldn't want a brothel set up across from a schoolAnd why not? Perhaps because... it's wrong? :)

[Parkbandit]

And why not? Perhaps because... it's wrong? :)

What's the difference if I ask a girl out on a date, buy her dinner, a movie and go back and hit it? I'm essentially paying for the same thing.. with the same result.

At least Uncle Sam is getting SOME revenue from the date though.

[Daniel]

And why not? Perhaps because... it's wrong? :)

Because it's questionable and I don't want my kids having to make that determination before they are old enough to appreciate the implications.

[Latrinsorm]

What's the difference if I ask a girl out on a date, buy her dinner, a movie and go back and hit it? I'm essentially paying for the same thing.. with the same result.The main difference is you're not a kid in school.
Because it's questionable and I don't want my kids having to make that determination before they are old enough to appreciate the implications.By "it", I was referring to "having a brothel next to a school", not prostitution in general.

[Clove]

Yes, but you left out that the business can't be sold "as is". The property can change hands ... the business can't.

So what?




Grandfathered on both counts. The second attempt didn't stop him as he was literally getting new licenses as the amended legislation was being voted on in the state senate.

He got zoned and the zoning changed. It would be grandfathering him to allow him to continue under the OLD zoning restrictions. I'm not a lawyer, but this isn't a complicated legal concept. Any lawyers/law students want to elaborate, back me up or correct me? *Edit* If on the other hand you mean he was allowed to continue operating because he got his permit before the churches got the zoning changed WTF are you griping about?




As per your second quote ... who posted that? I find it humorous that someone is suggesting I don't know what the term means all things considered.

The second quote is Enego Montoya from "The Princess Bride" about Vicini's repeated use of "inconceivable".

[Stanley Burrell]

So was Candy in her hot-pink thong dammit!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/Candy_Kong.jpg/200px-Candy_Kong.jpg


...

:hitit:

[Daniel]

The main difference is you're not a kid in school.By "it", I was referring to "having a brothel next to a school", not prostitution in general.

Well, having a brothel next to a school certainly ups the chances that a kid would be exposed to prostitution.

[Latrinsorm]

My point is that taking "prostitution is wrong" and "exposing children to prostitution is wrong", decrying one as "outdated morality", and espousing the other is pretty ironic.

[Tsa`ah]

So what?

Someone got thrown off the short bus head first one too many times ... but before we get into that .... let's continue with your continued short sightedness.


He got zoned and the zoning changed. It would be grandfathering him to allow him to continue under the OLD zoning restrictions. I'm not a lawyer, but this isn't a complicated legal concept. Any lawyers/law students want to elaborate, back me up or correct me? *Edit* If on the other hand you mean he was allowed to continue operating because he got his permit before the churches got the zoning changed WTF are you griping about?

Do you have any concept of how a business is evaluated should the owner want to sell?

Location location location.

Being grandfathered cuts the value of the business. Sure, in either case he was able to continue operations .... also in both cases he couldn't sell the business if he wanted to. Sort of fucks the notion of retirement.

Also in case you missed it (which is obvious) the zoning was changed at the urging of religious institutions. He was never remotely close to a school during any of the three distance restrictions. A law was made and amended respecting an establishment of religion.



The second quote is Enego Montoya from "The Princess Bride" about Vicini's repeated use of "inconceivable".

Maybe you need to record the clip and play it back to yourself ... repeatedly.


And why not? Perhaps because... it's wrong? :)

There's nothing wrong with it .... it's an issue of exposure and potential harm.

[Parkbandit]

The main difference is you're not a kid in school.By "it", I was referring to "having a brothel next to a school", not prostitution in general.


Because if prostitution were legal, they would all be right next door to elementary schools.

[Ilvane]

BTW, this will set the women's movement back by oh... 400 years or so.

If a woman chooses to do that, then why would it set the movement back?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't mind it being legal, but I don't know why someone would want to do that for a living in the first place.:P

Angela

[Parkbandit]

I would do it for a living... let's see.. sex, good. Getting paid to have sex.. better.

[Ilvane]

Only problem with that is you don't have a choice of who you would have sex with. So they could be dirty nasty people you'd be getting it one with.;) heh.

Angela

[Gan]

Only problem with that is you don't have a choice of who you would have sex with. So they could be dirty nasty people you'd be getting it one with.;) heh.

Angela

What makes you think they couldnt refuse customers like any other place of business?

[Latrinsorm]

Because if prostitution were legal, they would all be right next door to elementary schools.
There's nothing wrong with it .... it's an issue of exposure and potential harm.Guys, as I already clarified, the "it" refers to the potential harm part, not the mere prostitution part. This really isn't that intricate of a point.

[Parkbandit]

Guys, as I already clarified, the "it" refers to the potential harm part, not the mere prostitution part. This really isn't that intricate of a point.

Yea, you are correct. It's not that intricate of a point.

It's a stupid point when discussing the broad picture of making prostitution legal or not.

There are already adult video stores, titty clubs, Skinimax, Internet porn sites, etc... this would be no different. Of course I wouldn't want my children exposed to it.... much like I don't want them exposed to the other things I mentioned.

[Parkbandit]

What makes you think they couldnt refuse customers like any other place of business?

Exactly.

Much like any 'service' industry.. you have the right of refusal (until the ACLU chimes in and tells the new prostitution industry that they have to fuck the fat ones too)

[Gan]

Exactly.

Much like any 'service' industry.. you have the right of refusal (until the ACLU chimes in and tells the new prostitution industry that they have to fuck the fat ones too)

haha

Customers are not allowed to discriminate which prostitute they pay for based on race, creed, color, religion, or natural origin. AND we'll throw in the ADA into it and say you gotta fuck the handicap ones too.

Make it like a gumball machine, put your money in and you take what rolls out the door (literally).

:lol:

[Daniel]

My point is that taking "prostitution is wrong" and "exposing children to prostitution is wrong", decrying one as "outdated morality", and espousing the other is pretty ironic.

No. I was merely accepting that some people may find it questionable and saying it's worth the discomfort of having them a few hundred yards away from the school.

[Clove]

Someone got thrown off the short bus head first one too many times ... but before we get into that .... let's continue with your continued short sightedness.

You're a retard. Ordinances change, sometimes unfavorably to business. Being grandfathered is better than being shut-down although yes, in a situations like that grandfathering doesn't allow you to sell the business without relocating it. I don't agree with zoning around churches because in many communities there are so many that it becomes easy to prohibitively exclude otherwise legal enterprises.

It's a game that's been going on for a long time and obviously there was enough support to push it through the legislature. Owners of those types of businesses also need to be aware of the level of stigma in their communities and its impact on doing business- including the risk that future legislation could have on it. This is true of bars, strip clubs, and I'm sure tons of other businesses. It sucked, but then again he could have opened a pizza parlor instead- the stigma was part of his industry so yeah, I'm a bit confused WTF you're getting worked up over. Illinois obviously doesn't like adult bookstores near churches. One good reason not to live there, if that sort of thing is important to you.

For the record you dumb fuck, I already said the business owner was being screwed, I only questioned your use of "grandfathering" because from what you wrote it didn't seem like you were using the term correctly.

Sometimes you sound like a 12 year old, "but moooooom it's not fair!!!!"

[Clove]

If a woman chooses to do that, then why would it set the movement back?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't mind it being legal, but I don't know why someone would want to do that for a living in the first place.:P

Angela

Or for that matter if a MAN chooses to be a prostitute. This thread isn't named "Would you legalize female prostitution in your state". It's prostitution period, which means male, female, hetero, homo. Whatever.

[Stanley Burrell]

You know, I've been in countries where it's perfectly normal to walk up to a chick and ask, "Are you on the job?"

The problem is that in certain Russian provinces, you might be a small child riding the train while some Spitzer dick-sucking cunt keeps crossing and uncrossing her fishnetted legs and flashing you chlamydia every minute two seats away. While you're with your grandparents.

The problem, is that Clove is wrong. But I have no way to prove this. Only by saying that Clove is wrong, which he is.

Clove is wrong, btw.

Clove, you're wrong.

You know who's wrong? Clove.

Clove is the wrongest.

Wrongest is the Clove.

Clove is the opposite of being correct.



lol brielus

[Clove]

...Clove is wrong, btw...

I'm comfortable with that. Right or wrong, I'm still seeing Eric Clapton for free in June.

:love:


...The problem is that in certain Russian provinces...

And you are aware that we're not talking about the Russia, or their style of government, right?

[Parkbandit]

In Stanley's defense.. I doubt he's really aware of much.

[Clove]

In Stanley's defense.. I doubt he's really aware of much.

I'm just really surprised at what seems to be his deep-seated prostitute phobia. I mean, did he walk in on his mom when he was toddler or something?

[Gan]

I'm just really surprised at what seems to be his deep-seated prostitute phobia. I mean, did he walk in on his mom when he was toddler or something?

LOL

[Sean]

Legalizing prostitution != legalizing lewd conduct in public.

[Clove]

Legalizing prostitution != legalizing lewd conduct in public.

Thanks for getting it Sean, being Dutch must give you an edge :). Can you explain that to Stanley?

[Parkbandit]

Thanks for getting it Sean, being Dutch must give you an edge :). Can you explain that to Stanley?

You would have to make a comic book out of it to stand a chance.

[Stanley Burrell]

Legalizing prostitution != legalizing lewd conduct in public.

They go hand-in-hand, dammit!

<<I'm just really surprised at what seems to be his deep-seated prostitute phobia. I mean, did he walk in on his mom when he was toddler or something?>>

..................

Probably.

:lolwave:

[Warriorbird]

Prostitution is already legal.

www.sugardaddie.com

[Stanley Burrell]

Prostitution is already legal.

www.sugardaddie.com

This is why if there's a God, that he's making people dead.