Caro, et al.

[Hips]

Fucking annoying, honestly. I might be a merchant whore but at least I don't drag a dozen other accounts with me.


Caro's group just arrived.
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[Sea Breeze Tavern, Front Porch]
The porch ends in a rounded gazebo with twisted vines of trumpetvine running up the four support beams. A few polished pine benches have been arranged around a hooded iron brazier located in the center of the open-air gazebo. You also see the violet Uniana disk, the Vormalak disk, a ruddy-combed grey cloud woodpecker that is flying around, a lean blue-eyed brush foxhound, the Livn disk, the translucent Csilence disk, the Zellista disk, a golden-eyed cinereous grey fox and the Drugal disk.
Also here: Jadzara, Kristabel, Jozette, Rubytears, Jarvan, Morcarta, Seluus, High Lady Katara, Julliette, Lady Anjel, Idhy, Ibai, Caro,
Obvious paths: west


If Tsin's group is a mantourage, what does that make Caro's?

[Kitsun]

Holy shit. And all premium!

[NocturnalRob]

Also here: Jadzara, Kristabel, Jozette, Rubytears, Jarvan, Morcarta, Seluus, High Lady Katara, Julliette, Lady Anjel, Idhy, Ibai, Caro,


That's insanity

[Hips]

OH NOES, THERE'S MORE


Great Lady Pastoya just arrived.
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Pastoya joins Caro's group.
>
Pastoya offers Caro a row of moonglae opals.
>
Caro offers Pastoya some twisted black rings etched with Lorminstran symbols.
>
Pastoya put a Frostacres promissory note in her spidersilk case.
>
Pastoya accepts Caro's black rings.
>
Caro accepts Pastoya's moonglae opals.
>
Caro put a row of moonglae opals in her blue satchel.
>
Caro just closed a silvery blue satchel.




Lord Wyrrd just arrived.
>
Wyrrd joins Caro's group.
>
Wyrrd offers Caro a row of emerald blazestars.
>
Caro accepts Wyrrd's emerald blazestars.
>
Caro just opened a silvery blue satchel.
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Caro put a row of emerald blazestars in her blue satchel.
>
Caro just closed a silvery blue satchel.


Guess having those two at the merchant in Ta'Illistim this morning wasn't enough. :O

[Allereli]

Yeah, this group got a shitload done at the Winter Fest

[NocturnalRob]

Yeah, this group got a shitload done at the Winter Fest

Ahh...teamwork!

[SayGoodbye]

it's funny that out of the fifteen spun so far, none of them were any of those people.

[Hips]

it's funny that out of the fifteen spun so far, none of them were any of those people.

fucking awesome, eh? I'm enjoying it.

edit: I take that back, two were spun. QQ.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm sad to see Seluus used like that.

[Belnia]

$600 a month on just GS accounts! That's an easy car payment every month with plenty left to keep a few accounts and even buy food.

[Kitsun]

Even if you have one character of every profession, thats still only nine. What the heck are the other five for?

Also, is anyone else amused to see a Lightning Bolt as Belnia's avatar? Why fourth edition?! Why not go with a Beta or foil one?!

[NocturnalRob]

Even if you have one character of every profession, thats still only nine. What the heck are the other five for?

Also, is anyone else amused to see a Lightning Bolt as Belnia's avatar? Why fourth edition?! Why not go with a Beta or foil one?!

Um, forget Beta. Alpha, baby. All the way.

Or Arabian Nights.

[Kitsun]

Um, forget Beta. Alpha, baby. All the way.

Or Arabian Nights.

There wasn't a bolt in Arabian Nights...

[NocturnalRob]

There wasn't a bolt in Arabian Nights...

Fine. Whatever. You suck and so does the AN expansion. Wah!

[Stanley Burrell]

I hadn't played magic since Ice Age and whipped out my veiny, big deck. Red and green.

Then this bitch was like, ":wtf: you can't have more than one lightning bolt."

So I killed the bitch. I'm hardcore. I was gonna use the Black Lotus + mountain + Channel + Fireball combo. Or whatever that was.

Pogs, man.

[Snapp]

$600 a month on just GS accounts! That's an easy car payment every month with plenty left to keep a few accounts and even buy food.

Wow, $600 a month is sick.

[Elvenlady]

Caro's group just arrived.

Whilst I'm in no way defending her, those aren't all her accounts, although I believe she has a few of her own. The majority are Katara's who I think has 8 or 9. There are a group of them that share account info to monopolise merchant events. Usually when I see the Tsin and Katara collectives in a room I tend to not stick around, the odds are too heavily stacked in their favour.

[NocturnalRob]

Pogs, man.

Yeah, you don't mess with the Power Pog slammer, bitch. I'll take all your Pogs and leave you weeping on the sidewalk.

http://www.trictrac.net/jeux/centre/imagerie/boites/5107_1.jpg

[Fallen]

This is why I HATE free festivals. I miss tiered festivals. Atleast that way I know if some fuck is bringing that many accounts, GS is set for a long long time.

[bubbauno]

Wow, $600 a month is sick.

Hah you actually think we own all the accounts we take to merchants events? I only OWN 3 premie and 2 standard accounts, but I have access to like 12 premie and 20 standard. When you have dealt with thousands of people over the years you make a lot of friends.

[NocturnalRob]

Hah you actually think we own all the accounts we take to merchants events? I only OWN 3 premie and 2 standard accounts, but I have access to like 12 premie and 20 standard. When you have dealt with thousands of people over the years you make a lot of friends.

I pay $15/month to play GS.

kthnxbai

[Fallen]

yeah, but the money he makes by MAing more than makes up his costs. So in essence, he earns money playing GS, and a lot more than 15 bucks a month.

[NocturnalRob]

yeah, but the money he makes by MAing more than makes up his costs. So in essence, he earns money playing GS, and a lot more than 15 bucks a month.

i want to know his hourly rate. i guarantee it's less than mine.

[bubbauno]

150 bucks a month.. 5m a day hunting.. 3 days to pay for the entire month.

[Asha]

God I can't wait for GS to retire and shut down. You'll go into shock getting off your fucking seat.

[Methais]

Tagging this thread because I sense it will turn epic very soon. Like this rack, but in a not nearly as cool way:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/durlok/epic.jpg

[Asha]

Thank God for chicks with huge baps.

[Methais]

Her baps make me fap.

FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1428/loldv2.png

[NocturnalRob]

150 bucks a month.. 5m a day hunting.. 3 days to pay for the entire month.

so ~150 mill/month? how many hours per day is that?

And to clarify, I'm not judging or trying to be a prick. I am actually curious.

[NocturnalRob]

FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

http://www.222design.com/myspace/ceiling_cat.jpg

[Celephais]

3 days to pay for the entire month.
If it's an 8 hour day, you're making under minimum wage.

[NocturnalRob]

If it's an 8 hour day, you're making under minimum wage.

I believe he was referring to the time spent playing GS4, which I'm assuming isn't 8 hours a day. I hope not anyway.

But your point is valid, Celephais

[diethx]

It takes me about half an hour to pay for a month of GS, and I get benefits.

But you don't get to sit around on your fat ass all day in your underwear and do it?!?!!?

And yeah, this group is pretty bad. It made me a sad panda to see one of her drones win the raffle for the hour of work from Dreltin :(

[NocturnalRob]

It made me a sad panda to see one of her drones win the raffle for the hour of work from Dreltin :(

http://www.netrite.ca/robodeath/sad%20panda2.jpg

[Celephais]

But you don't get to sit around on your fat ass all day in your underwear and do it?!?!!?

And yeah, this group is pretty bad. It made me a sad panda to see one of her drones win the raffle for the hour of work from Dreltin :(
Dang, you quoted me before my edit, but yeah, GS as a job is just a dumb way to widdle away your "earner" years. Granted some people might not be able to get great jobs, but try getting a great job later when your resume includes "Manager position: Coordinating 5 underlings, two heavily supervised, completing such projects as fighting off grimswarm raiders. Frequently managed as many as 12 individuals in order to add paisleys to a cloak".

[Hips]

http://www.222design.com/myspace/ceiling_cat.jpg

couldn't you at least have found one with "masturbate" spelled correctly?

[diethx]

Dang, you quoted me before my edit, but yeah, GS as a job is just a dumb way to widdle away your "earner" years. Granted some people might not be able to get great jobs, but try getting a great job later when your resume includes "Manager position: Coordinating 5 underlings, two heavily supervised, completing such projects as fighting off grimswarm raiders. Frequently managed as many as 12 individuals in order to add paisleys to a cloak".


rofl!! Nice.

[NocturnalRob]

couldn't you at least have found one with "masturbate" spelled correctly?

i specifically chose the one with it spelled incorrectly.

but here's one with it spelled correctly so your delicate sensibilities aren't offended. i know it's hard for you to pleasure yourself while looking at misspelled words:

http://www.cisnky.com/images/blog/ceiling_cat.jpg

[CrystalTears]

couldn't you at least have found one with "masturbate" spelled correctly?
Cats can't spell! Or are you new to lolcat pics? :P

[NocturnalRob]

Cats can't spell! Or are you new to lolcat pics? :P

Case and point. In this hilarious instance, the word "cheeseburger" is misspelled. It adds a tone of whimsy that is compounded by the error in syntax "I Can Has," which should clearly read, "I Can Have," followed by an implied "A" and the correctly spelled "Cheeseburger."

Truly, it is an art.

http://www.smidgy.com/smidgy/images/2007/07/26/lol_cat_icanhascheezburger.jpg

[Methais]

Cats can't spell! Or are you new to lolcat pics? :P

In the ceiling cat case though, it's not the cat "speaking", so no misspelling is required.

Some of you people need to go to lolcats college or something.

[Celephais]

In the ceiling cat case though, it's not the cat "speaking", so no misspelling is required.

Some of you people need to go to lolcats college or something.
What's wrong with you? Ceiling cat talks in third person and informs everyone of what he is doing through his divine will.

L2LolCat

[Hips]

I would understand if it was mstrbatez or something equally as badly misspelled... not just one letter.

edit: also, stop derailing my thread o' hate!

[NocturnalRob]

I would understand if it was mstrbatez or something equally as badly misspelled... not just one letter.

edit: also, stop derailing my thread o' hate!

Who crapped in your cornflakes this morning?

edit: also, what the hell was this thread about?

[Hips]

Isn't it obvious from the title of the thread? Duh.

[7Seconds]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1402/822327651_1efebd248a.jpg

Edit: MA'ers suck big fat hairy Yetty nipples

[NocturnalRob]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w233/caturdayskwerl/LolCatRenderer-17.jpg

[Methais]

What's wrong with you? Ceiling cat talks in third person and informs everyone of what he is doing through his divine will.

L2LolCat

Righto.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/cat-armour-dan.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think I've ever MA'd a merchant event, I used to MA script/hunt just because I wasn't in the mood for a challenge on my alt(s). I wanted to get them to a level where I could play them at, what I considered, an enjoyable area of GS.

MA'ing at merchant events should be stopped imo, it just sucks the fun out of them for everyone else.

[NocturnalRob]

MA'ing at merchant events should be stopped imo, it just sucks the fun out of them for everyone else.

Agreed, but is it feasible to monitor something like that?

[diethx]

MA'ing at merchant events should be stopped imo, it just sucks the fun out of them for everyone else.

As much as I hate large groups like this, I think you're wrong. If they're going to pay that much for the accounts, they have every right to bring them all to a merchant.

[AnticorRifling]

This is where the per person or per account debate would start.

One side: Every account should have an equal chance to get an item.

Other side: Every person should have an equal chance to get an item.

There isn't really a right answer just opinions and strong feelings one way or the other.

[NocturnalRob]

This is where the per person or per account debate would start.

One side: Every account should have an equal chance to get an item.

Other side: Every person should have an equal chance to get an item.

There isn't really a right answer just opinions and strong feelings one way or the other.

Since I don't really go to Merchant events, I don't care either way. I just like to argue. Someone pick a side for me.

[Celephais]

Agreed, but is it feasible to monitor something like that?
You simply make the work only for items on your person, it's a reasonable assumption and still provide benefits for "I paid for multiple accounts QQ".

To me that seems the fairest thing to do. I guess you could try to make a game where people had to be responsive, but I'm sure it'd get scripted anyway.

[diethx]

This is where the per person or per account debate would start.

One side: Every account should have an equal chance to get an item.

Other side: Every person should have an equal chance to get an item.

There isn't really a right answer just opinions and strong feelings one way or the other.

There really is though. Why the hell should the people who pay $15 a month for GS have equal chances of getting something as people who pay $100 (or whatever amount higher than $15) a month for GS. It makes no sense.

Edit: Just like in real life, you get what you pay for.

[diethx]

You simply make the work only for items on your person, it's a reasonable assumption and still provide benefits for "I paid for multiple accounts QQ".

I'm all for this. I hate seeing people pass items around right in front of the merchant. Pass items well before hand if you need to do so.

[Celephais]

I'm all for this. I hate seeing people pass items around right in front of the merchant. Pass items well before hand if you need to do so.
What they really need to do is stop having merchants the way they do and personalize the experience more. Randomly spin for a person who is online, monitor them for a bit, see if they're active, then conveniently have them stumble upon a suitible 'minivent', do their work, and go on your merry way.

The mob "me me me me" events really suck.

[Drew2]

To stay on the derailed topic, I present to you:

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

An Exerpt, Genesis 1:


1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

[NocturnalRob]

To stay on the derailed topic, I present to you:

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

An Exerpt, Genesis 1:

I applaud the dedication necessary to compile that monstrosity of a site. I also shudder.

[AnticorRifling]

There really is though. Why the hell should the people who pay $15 a month for GS have equal chances of getting something as people who pay $100 (or whatever amount higher than $15) a month for GS. It makes no sense.

Edit: Just like in real life, you get what you pay for.

Again that's opinion. This isn't real life, it's a game. Games have rules, this isn't Nam. (blessed be the dude).

And a rule some people think should be in place would be one where merchant chances are on a per person basis. I should not have more right/access/chance to work simply because I log in my account, and the accounts of my friends. I'm paying 15 dollars, you're paying 15 dollars, I've got 5 chances, you've got 1. It's not getting what you pay for, it's a form of, in my opinion, cheating/gaming the system.

[CrystalTears]

There really is though. Why the hell should the people who pay $15 a month for GS have equal chances of getting something as people who pay $100 (or whatever amount higher than $15) a month for GS. It makes no sense.

Edit: Just like in real life, you get what you pay for.
This is where I disagree. Their work should be per account... any account. They shouldn't be giving additional special privileges for paying more aside than from what already is provided as an upgraded account perk.

From other threads regarding this, according to your standards, you not only have to fight along with the other merchant hunters in order to get work done, you also have to be on equal paying terms. How much work do you want a game to be? Christ.

[Methais]

To stay on the derailed topic, I present to you:

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

An Exerpt, Genesis 1:

This could very well be the best site ever.

My favorite part so far:


Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

[diethx]

Again that's opinion. This isn't real life, it's a game. Games have rules, this isn't Nam. (blessed be the dude).

And a rule some people think should be in place would be one where merchant chances are on a per person basis. I should not have more right/access/chance to work simply because I log in my account, and the accounts of my friends. I'm paying 15 dollars, you're paying 15 dollars, I've got 5 chances, you've got 1. It's not getting what you pay for, it's a form of, in my opinion, cheating/gaming the system.

Obviously you skipped over the part where I said, people who pay $15 a month shouldn't have more/equal chances than people who pay MORE THAN THAT per month. I'm not talking about sharing accounts. L2read.

[Methais]

What they really need to do is stop having merchants the way they do and personalize the experience more. Randomly spin for a person who is online, monitor them for a bit, see if they're active, then conveniently have them stumble upon a suitible 'minivent', do their work, and go on your merry way.

The mob "me me me me" events really suck.

That > this thread.

[diethx]

This is where I disagree. Their work should be per account... any account. They shouldn't be giving additional special privileges for paying more aside than from what already is provided as an upgraded account perk.

From other threads regarding this, according to your standards, you not only have to fight along with the other merchant hunters in order to get work done, you also have to be on equal paying terms. How much work do you want a game to be? Christ.

Per account, sure. One character per account is fine with me. Saying to someone who pays for 4 accounts that they only get to use one at a merchant is fucking stupid, sorry. Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances have to suffer because you and others refuse to do so? Until Simu makes it against the rules to own/pay for more than one account, you're gonna have to suck it up, I think.

Yes, you have to work to get to a merchant. You can't just pay your monthly subscription fee and then sit back and expect it all to come to you. It's never been like that in Gemstone, and it shouldn't be. I'm tired of hearing people cry because it's too difficult for them to get to a merchant and then because they only want to pay for one account, only have one chance at getting an item. If you don't like it, pay more. Otherwise, plz stop complaining.

[NocturnalRob]

This thread is starting to suck

[Methais]

If you don't like it, pay more.

This sums up what's wrong with GS.

It should also be Simu's slogan.

[Celephais]

That > this thread.
Simu should hire me as a consultant on what they should do... I'll even offer the aformentioned peice of advice free of charge.

[CrystalTears]

This sums up what's wrong with GS.

It should also be Simu's slogan.
Agreed.

[NocturnalRob]

Agreed.

2173

[diethx]

2173

lol nice

[Sean of the Thread]

Mich I'm not sure and this certainly isn't the place to ask but did you say you 5 star'd Raining Blood on GH3???

If so do you have proof? If so are you a freak? If 1 and 2 are a yes can I borrow your hands for like 5 minutes?

[Stunseed]

< insert "stranger" joke here >

Jus sayin.

[NocturnalRob]

can I borrow your hands for like 5 minutes?

do you really need both?

edit: Damnit, Stun!

[Hips]

Mich I'm not sure and this certainly isn't the place to ask but did you say you 5 star'd Raining Blood on GH3???

If so do you have proof? If so are you a freak? If 1 and 2 are a yes can I borrow your hands for like 5 minutes?

Definitely never said that.

And I don't want to know what else you would do with my hands. :/

[Latrinsorm]

Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances have to suffer because you and others refuse to do so?Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances be indulged?

[diethx]

Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances be indulged?

Uh, because they have the money ;)

[Lysander]

Why not just buy 20 accounts when there is a merchant and then deactivate them all after all the raffles etc. ? Then repeat.

[diethx]

Why not just buy 20 accounts when there is a merchant and then deactivate them all after all the raffles etc. ? Then repeat.

You can do that for free festivals, assuming you have 20 different credit cards to open them via the web. I guess you could always call billing and have them open them all on one card, but who would really bother?

[Fallen]

More people than you think. I believe that MAing is why gemstone is still afloat. People can argue that if NO ONE MAed than gemstone would be able to replace all those secondary accounts with active people, but I don't believe it. The difference in people owning multiple accounts, and those that quit for good chiefly because of MAing is too great.

Then we come to pay events. For a long time, GS was cranking out the pay events like there was no tomorrow. Players started to bitch, and look what we have now for 2008. One fucking non-tiered pay event, Ebon Gate. Yaay. Awesome, so now you are going to have people logging on every account they can get their hands on to go and merchant hunt the fuck out of festivals. Now people want GMs to crack down on that.

Where the hell is GS supposed to make up the money? That is why I like tiered pay events. Those people that are willing to spend a lot on GS to have a very small crowd to compete with can, and those only wanting to spend a small amount, or even none can still have a chance to get alterations and prizes..as that is really what this game is about (no, not really but threads like this make it seem like it).

The first run of the Wavedancer was IMO the best way to do a damned pay event. Say what you will about the concept of the Wavedancer itself, the pay system is what I enjoyed.

[diethx]

The first run of the Wavedancer was IMO the best way to do a damned pay event. Say what you will about the concept of the Wavedancer itself, the pay system is what I enjoyed.

I wish I was on the first run, I heard how awesome it was. I was on one of the subsequent runs... I won the "raffle" to purchase a 1st class ticket for the January instance. It was the biggest piece of shit waste of $90 i've ever seen. Although, maybe with the new set of GMs who made the winterfest so awesome, it probably would be much much better these days. I dunno, after the winterfest I feel much more confident in spending more money on a pay event.

[Fallen]

I went on the first run and the last. It was sad how burned out the GMs were after a certain point, and how people didn't at all try to stay IC in the quests.

The Ashrim quest the first run through was one of the best times my character and myself as a player ever had. Vathor fucking up everyone during the middle of a Faendryl Vr. Ashrim Battle? Insanity. ...but in the last run? No one cared. Rightfully so, as some had done it 3+ times, it was just a shame.

If they would have done only 2 runs things would have been better.

[Stunseed]

< The Ashrim quest the first run through was one of the best times my character and myself as a player ever had. Vathor fucking up everyone during the middle of a Faendryl Vr. Ashrim Battle? Insanity. >

Between that and Nighthaven....I've gotta agree.

[Asha]

The first WD was awesome and so was my first time at ebons. Umm maybe 2002 but it was the time Chica got my character altered becouse I didn't have as much coke as her to stay awake.

And LOL at ''raffle'' to win being able to purchase a special ticket.
Fucking joke

[diethx]

The first WD was awesome and so was my first time at ebons. Umm maybe 2002 but it was the time Chica got my character altered becouse I didn't have as much coke as her to stay awake.

And LOL at ''raffle'' to win being able to purchase a special ticket.
Fucking joke

Coke + EG (or any other festival) used to = WIN

And shit, i'd rather have the raffle to choose who can buy the limited amount of better tickets over releasing them during the work day when no one but Tsin and similar losers are home, and who end up buying all of them before anyone gets a chance.

[Misun]

$600 a month on just GS accounts! That's an easy car payment every month with plenty left to keep a few accounts and even buy food.

Actually, some of them (I'm guessing most) are accounts of her friends that she gets work done for while they are at work. Heard it from the horses mouth herself just before she asked me if I wanted the same done. Uh, no thanks.

[Tolwynn]

The Ashrim quest the first run through was one of the best times my character and myself as a player ever had. Vathor fucking up everyone during the middle of a Faendryl Vr. Ashrim Battle? Insanity. ...but in the last run?Insanity. ...but in the last run? No one cared. Rightfully so, as some had done it 3+ times, it was just a shame.


It wasn't just the multiple run-throughs that had some folks not caring. Being handed a quest you couldn't effectively 'win' turned some off, and the discovery that you didn't even have to do the quest to receive the reward at the end sealed it for a lot more.

Still, I'd rather see another quest like that before one like the WD sand elemental "quest" any day.

[Gnomad]

This is where the per person or per account debate would start.

One side: Every account should have an equal chance to get an item.

Other side: Every person should have an equal chance to get an item.

There isn't really a right answer just opinions and strong feelings one way or the other.

Like Simu's strong feeling of "which one will make us more money?"

I don't blame them.

[Latrinsorm]

In that case,
Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances have to suffer because you and others refuse to do so?Because others don't have the money. ;)

[diethx]

In that case,Because others don't have the money. ;)

Uh, that is the dumbest comment I have ever heard. This isn't fucking kindergarten. In the real world, not everything is fair and you get what you pay for. Simutronics is a business, remember, and businesses (like the rest of the world) thrive off of money.

I'd love to see you try to buy a brand new Ferrari with 10k, and then cry to the dealer that you should get a fair shake because you can't afford what his last customer paid. "Oh come on! I should have an equal chance to buy this here with my 10k!!!! Why should the person who has 200k have a better chance at buying this than me?!?!?"

I guess those with 10k who can't afford the Ferrari will have to be happy settling for a Toyota Yaris. Even if that Yaris = 1 alteration and the Ferrari = 10.

[Whimsi]

Why the hell should people who can afford to/want to pay more for better chances be indulged?

Welcome to capitalism.

[Whimsi]

And not that it has anything to do with anything in this thread but every time I see Latrinsorm post I think of this dude:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/Sassy_Photos_2007/collarcoolye7.png

[diethx]

And not that it has anything to do with anything in this thread but every time I see Latrinsorm post I think of this dude:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/Sassy_Photos_2007/collarcoolye7.png

Ouch, big burn.

[Sean of the Thread]

Dude Eric looks like he's a slayer band member!... he just sounds (to quote a great movie IDIOCRACY) faggy. No offense but all those smart sounding words hurt peoples heads.

Besides anyone that can pop 4 fucking collars has to earn a few props....that shit can't be easy.

[Asha]

Respect to that.

[NocturnalRob]

Besides anyone that can pop 4 fucking collars has to earn a few props....that shit can't be easy.

Before you knock that, actually try to pop 4 collars and maintain a pedophile grin into the camera. It's hard work.

[CrystalTears]

Uh, that is the dumbest comment I have ever heard. This isn't fucking kindergarten. In the real world, not everything is fair and you get what you pay for. Simutronics is a business, remember, and businesses (like the rest of the world) thrive off of money.

I'd love to see you try to buy a brand new Ferrari with 10k, and then cry to the dealer that you should get a fair shake because you can't afford what his last customer paid. "Oh come on! I should have an equal chance to buy this here with my 10k!!!! Why should the person who has 200k have a better chance at buying this than me?!?!?"

I guess those with 10k who can't afford the Ferrari will have to be happy settling for a Toyota Yaris. Even if that Yaris = 1 alteration and the Ferrari = 10.
I'm amazed that you're comparing purchasing a car to people being able to play a fucking game with some kind of fairness, but fine. Someone pays 50k for a Ferrari, which is the cost of the car. Someone else comes along and pays 100k for the same fucking Ferrari, simply because he can. The second person is more special just for spending more on the same fucking thing? Seriously? You should go work with Simu since that's how they see it too... oo he spends more money for the same thing, he's special. No, it just means they had more money to spend but the product is exactly the same.

There being three different types of fee plans for the same fucking game is what's abhorrently wrong with GS. It doesn't cost more to make a cloak laced with dead butterflies for a premium member than for a basic member or even a plat member. They are all the same resource.

There is no good god fucking reason that someone who pays more should get preferential treatment at a public and general merchant just because they are able to pay more for a game. That's what the premium and pay event merchants are for. That's just fucking crazy talk.

This is me talking about making some kind of distinction between players who pay different fee plans, not people who have more than one account. For those I could honestly not care because it would be near impossible to differentiate. One service per account. However I don't think it's reasonable to suggest to people that the only way they'll get anything is unless they MA.

[NocturnalRob]

That's just fucking crazy talk.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DCMann2/oh_snap.jpg

[Asha]

lol CT before coffee.

[Jahira]

This car arguement may make some sense, but doesn't really work like gemstone.

Look at fitness clubs. They do it very successfully. You can pay Z dollars to get a Monday, Wed, Friday, and weekends membership. You can pay Y dollars for everyday membership but not access to the workout programs. You can pay X dollars to get access to workout classes, trainers, own locker rooms, towel service, etc. (X>Y>Z)

You don't see people bitching they are paying for the same facility but getting treated less preferentially.

[Misun]

I don't have an issue with someone paying for a few or even several accounts and bringing them all to merchants. If they are paying for them, good for them. If I could afford more and was obsessed about it, I would as well probably.

The issue I have is someone logging in not just one, but several of their friends accounts and bringing them to merchants when they are working or whatever.
That is what's happening here, if they were all hers and she was forking out 600 dollars a month for it, well, I pity her that she doesn't have something better to spend her money on. But this isn't the case. Oh well. I do get some humour out of it sometimes. Like the time she had seventeen chars waiting at a merchant and someone (GM) came in and killed everyone, well, almost everyone, then watching her scramble to log them all off and deal with the deaths. Needless to say, they didn't make it to the merchant. Good times.

[NocturnalRob]

Like the time she had seventeen chars waiting at a merchant and someone (GM) came in and killed everyone, well, almost everyone, then watching her scramble to log them all off and deal with the deaths. Needless to say, they didn't make it to the merchant. Good times.

i would pay money for a log of that

[Misun]

i would pay money for a log of that

Wish I still had it, I could use the cash.

[g++]

Raises a good point though, I MA quite a bit and Im never more miserable playing the game as I am with 4+ windows open. I mean you might gain strategic advantages as far as power gaming but staring at 3 replicas of yourself for 4 hours is not fun. I would much rather log one character in and chat someone up. Not to mention as pointed out the logistical nightmares that can occur when your handling that many accounts at once, people bleeding to death, a one round stun on your controlling character can kill the rest because all their scripts depend on him etc. etc. etc. If your goal is to log in and have fun MA'ing gets old fast.

[Latrinsorm]

In the real world, not everything is fair and you get what you pay for.Right, not everything is fair. Sometimes you can pay more and not get anything for it. See? We agree! :)
Welcome to capitalism.Most people in the world aren't capitalists. How dare you try to push your minority morality on the rest of us?
There is no good god fucking reason that someone who pays more should get preferential treatment at a public and general merchant just because they are able to pay more for a game."You're a jerk."
"Yeah well you're a motherfucker!"
"Yeah well you're a GODFUCKER!"
"...SHIT you win."

From now on CT is my source for new cusses.

[Stanley Burrell]

.

....

I like the picture of the zoo pelican biting that kid's head a few posts back. That was pretty cool.

[RichardCranium]

I like turtles.

[Methais]

I like turtles.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/iliketurtles.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

<giggle>

[diethx]

This is me talking about making some kind of distinction between players who pay different fee plans, not people who have more than one account. For those I could honestly not care because it would be near impossible to differentiate. One service per account. However I don't think it's reasonable to suggest to people that the only way they'll get anything is unless they MA.

My car example was NOT referencing the different pricing tiers of Gemstone. It was referencing the fact that people who pay more FOR MORE ACCOUNTS (not premium or platinum) get more for their money. That = more chances to win at merchants. I have not commented at all on the different pricing tiers. Plz don't make assumptions :)

I'm also quite fine with one service per account, which is something i've said before in this thread, and in others on the same topic. And i've never suggested to anyone that they needed to MA to get anything. That certainly is NOT the case. Those who MA just have more chances to get spun, plain and simple.


Right, not everything is fair. Sometimes you can pay more and not get anything for it. See? We agree! :)

Except in the situation we're discussing, you get more when you pay more. Crazy fucking concept, huh? Hence all the whining and complaining about MA'ing and merchants and how "unfair" it is for someone to pay more and get more chances to be spun. If you can't keep the situation straight, you may want to gtfo of it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/imagedream/Funny/puppy-aggro.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Except in the situation we're discussing, you get more when you pay more.We're not discussing what is, we're discussing what could be. You have given no reason for people to get what more for paying more - the crux of your argument is that not everything is fair! As such, you could not sincerely oppose a change that (for instance) allowed only one alteration chance per player (for instance at a spinner) versus one alteration chance per character. So what if that player paid more? Not everything's fair in the real world.

[diethx]

We're not discussing what is, we're discussing what could be.

I'm discussing what is. There's no point in discussing what could be, because it never will be. Nice try though.

And there is no need to give any other reason for people to get more from paying more. It's because that's how this world works. Talk yourself in circles and twist words around to your benefit all you want, Necromancer Jr., it still won't change the topic of discussion and both of our places in it.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm discussing what is. There's no point in discussing what could be, because it never will be.We're all agreed on what currently is. A number of people in this thread have offered alternatives to which your only rebuttal so far has been "this is the way it is", which is to say no rebuttal at all.
And there is no need to give any other reason for people to get more from paying more. It's because that's how this world works.Another way this world works is with a paucity of fairness, as you have already declared, so once again, who cares that person A spent more?

The answer is only "Simutronics", and if Simutronics decides to stop caring who are you to demand they change back?

[diethx]

We're all agreed on what currently is. A number of people in this thread have offered alternatives to which your only rebuttal so far has been "this is the way it is", which is to say no rebuttal at all.Another way this world works is with a paucity of fairness, as you have already declared, so once again, who cares that person A spent more?

The answer is only "Simutronics", and if Simutronics decides to stop caring who are you to demand they change back?

No, my rebuttal has been, this is the way the world works. You get what you pay for. You obviously cannot deny that fact, yet you come up with these absurd "what if's", that will never happen, because this part our world is something that will not change.

If someone decides to pay extra for multiple accounts and therefore more chances at getting spun, that's their right. Just because the poor or penny-pinching refuse or cannot pay for extra chances doesn't mean that anyone should (or would) cater to them. Again, this is the way that our world works: society cares that person A spent more. When our society can learn to let go of all material things and not be dependant on currency, then you can and should bring this up again. Don't hold your breath, though.

And LOL at Simutronics not caring about money. LOL at ANYONE not caring about money. For the response to this, see above paragraph, re: society. It's really too bad if you don't like it, but as I said before: it's not fair, and that's too bad. :shrug:

[CrystalTears]

Just because the poor or penny-pinching refuse or cannot pay for extra chances doesn't mean that anyone should (or would) cater to them.
My problem with GS has always been its tiered fee plans for basically the same product, but they exist so that extra features can be added, so be it, which includes more character slots. It's sad that you feel that someone who goes along the normal, rational gaming premise of paying for one account because they are one person should have to suffer at the hands of the people who are greedy and obtain more than one account.

The bolded part is just rather insulting to me because you're assuming that's the reason people don't get more than one account. For many, it's not about being poor, it's about "why the fuck should I?" and/or "Simu is not going to get more money from me for the same game we all play".

And I'm not saying we should cater to those who pay for one. I'm saying why should we cater to those who pay more.

The saving grace for MAers is that there really is no easy way to control things per person. GMs would have to check the account the characters are from and if they have the same owner, all the others past the first would be disqualified.

But we all know GMs aren't going to take the time to verify that kind of information. They'll crack down on people who wish to make the game a little easier to play because of scripts, but they'll let people take advantage of the little perks inside.

[g++]

The saving grace for MAers is that there really is no easy way to control things per person. GMs would have to check the account the characters are from and if they have the same owner, all the others past the first would be disqualified.

Actually it would be pretty easy the problem would be people that share computers or have multiples. They already monitor who has gotten what, and they already monitor IPs they could simply record who has gotten alterations by IP address and account instead of account alone. It wouldent be perfect but It would make it harder to stand in line with 20+ people at a time.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Most people in the world aren't capitalists. How dare you try to push your minority morality on the rest of us?

Because those guys in communist China are real important in the scope of this conversation.

[TheWitch]

I'm on board with "pay more, get more". It's not catering, in reality, it's simple statistics that even I as math challenged as I am can understand.

10 people in a room, you're 5 of them, 50/50.
10 people in a room, your're 1 of them, 1/10.

It would be my opinion that if you're willing to pay for those odds, you should have them work to your advantage.

However. Keeping in mind that the person doing that is still ONE person, at what point couldn't the person say to themselves - in a free merchant on the steps of the inn for instance - "I've got every one of my barbies in silk cotehardies with net overlay imbedded with ruby butterflies". I have five characters here of the 15 that showed up, why don't I just back the hell off once in awhile and let someone else have a go at this" and log off oh, three of said barbies?

Because that would be respectful of other peoples game enjoyment.
This isn't a Ferrari dealership, although I do agree to an extent with that analogy.

What people are paying for is lines of text. Share, for crissakes.

[Some Rogue]

Eh, if more GM's actually gave a shit, they could look at how long it's been since last alteration and work backwards from the longest to most recent. That's what I'd do if I was a GM anyway. And what someone suggested earlier about finding random people, watching them and doing private work.
A little personal roleplay/attention would go a long way with increasing the enjoyment for a lot of people. Sure, not as many people would get work done in the same amount of time, but sitting in a room with 200 retards and/or attention whores, waiting for 2 hours to have a chance at something isn't fun for most people either.

[TheWitch]

Yea, there's a lot GM's could do to even things out.

People would then complain about having to have their sandbox policed for them.

It would always be my preference to police the sandbox ourselves, and if you are an MA'er of 6 accounts, back off once in awhile.

Stop bringing in your friends barbies, or at least be reasonable and bring in one or two, not seven. Holy.

[CrystalTears]

Unfortunately the few who take the dozen ruin it for the several others who are considerate and don't.

[Some Rogue]

Yea, there's a lot GM's could do to even things out.

People would then complain about having to have their sandbox policed for them.


But that goes back to the "this is a business and they're doing this for the money." Pleasing more people rather than just a select few is better right?

[diethx]

My problem with GS has always been its tiered fee plans for basically the same product, but they exist so that extra features can be added, so be it, which includes more character slots. It's sad that you feel that someone who goes along the normal, rational gaming premise of paying for one account because they are one person should have to suffer at the hands of the people who are greedy and obtain more than one account.

The bolded part is just rather insulting to me because you're assuming that's the reason people don't get more than one account. For many, it's not about being poor, it's about "why the fuck should I?" and/or "Simu is not going to get more money from me for the same game we all play".

And I'm not saying we should cater to those who pay for one. I'm saying why should we cater to those who pay more.

The saving grace for MAers is that there really is no easy way to control things per person. GMs would have to check the account the characters are from and if they have the same owner, all the others past the first would be disqualified.

But we all know GMs aren't going to take the time to verify that kind of information. They'll crack down on people who wish to make the game a little easier to play because of scripts, but they'll let people take advantage of the little perks inside.


Having more than one account isn't greed, and in fact it's quite normal these days. It's just people playing the game the way they choose, just like you do. Why is it always the people who refuse to pay for a second account who are complaining? Goddamn, would you get the fuck over it already? Seriously. There's no point in getting sand in your vagina over something that WILL NOT CHANGE. Simutronics is a business, therefore they WANT people to pay for more accounts. GMs work for Simutronics, and although some merchants may dislike people MA'ing, they aren't going to refuse services to them because it would be doing a disservice to their employer. THAT'S the saving grace for MA'ers. If Simutronics likes the way things are, and a very large percentage of the player base either likes or accepts the way things are, seriously what is the point in you complaining over it?

No one caters to those who pay for more than one account. GMs don't give them special treatments, they don't get discounts on anything. They merely have a greater chance to win something special, because they want to pay for it. Time to accept that's how this world works. If you don't want the big bad Simu to get more of your money for this game we all play, then suck it up to the fact that people who are willing to pay more get some sort of advantage at merchants (or when hunting, w/e).

You keep talking like you're owed something. The thing is, you're lucky you're able to play this game. We all are, and no one is owed ANYTHING more than what they pay for every month, be it access to one account or ten accounts. It doesn't belong to you, it belongs to everyone who plays (in a figurative sense). Just like no one has a right to tell you how to do what you enjoy, you have NO right to tell anyone else how to do what they enjoy.

[CrystalTears]

Just because I can see reason and understanding for change doesn't mean that I'm the one bitching for more.

I don't have much as far as alterations because I don't have the time nor desire to merchant chase.
I have one account.
I refuse to pay for premium.
I hardly play as it is.
I personally could give a shit.

I just feel that it's not completely fair and it wouldn't be a great inconvenience to adjust it a tad. You're the one foaming at the mouth when the words fairness in a game is mentioned.

By the way, spin it all you want, but people spending on more accounts to have a better "advantage" IS greed. There is nothing wrong with greed, but don't say that's not it.

[diethx]

Just because I can see reason and understanding for change doesn't mean that I'm the one bitching for more. I don't have much as far as alterations, I have one account, I refuse to play premium, I hardly play as it is, I personally could give a shit. I just feel that it's not completely fair and it wouldn't be a great inconvenience to adjust it a tad. You're the one foaming at the mouth when the words fairness in a game is mentioned.

By the way, spin it all you want, but people spending on more accounts to have a better "advantage" IS greed. There is nothing wrong with greed, but don't say that's not it.

I've said it before, nothing in life is fair. Why should this be any different? No matter how you spin it, when something is fair to one group, it'll definitely be unfair to some other group. Adjusting it to make it more fair for people like you would make it unfair for the rest who are happy now. You can't make everyone happy, but you can let them make their own choices to how they want to play a game. That's how it works now, and by making your choice you accept the benefits AND the consequences. And i'm not foaming at the mouth, just lol'ing over anyone trying to "fair things up".

Oh and, it's not greed though, there's nothing wrong with having more than one account. You're not taking anything from anyone just by having more than one account. You're merely enhancing your own playing experience and shaping it to what you enjoy. But I guess wanting to enjoy yourself when others would prefer to complain is so greedy. :D

[CrystalTears]

You're not taking anything from anyone just by having more than one account.
How can you say this after you've been saying that having more accounts gains you more advantage with merchants? The fact that one person can take any number of characters with them is already taking away from other people who are individual and there on their own merit.

Don't make this out to be that I'm against MAing in any way, because I'm not. I just take issue with people like Caro and Tsin who carry with them dozens of characters to merchants. And in a room of a possible 15 alterations, 14 of those could have other different people instead of 4.

I'm not against MAing, but I'm also not against making more of the playerbase happy.

[diethx]

How can you say this after you've been saying that having more accounts gains you more advantage with merchants? The fact that one person can take any number of characters with them is already taking away from other people who are individual and there on their own merit.

Don't make this out to be that I'm against MAing in any way, because I'm not. I just take issue with people like Caro and Tsin who carry with them dozens of characters to merchants. And in a room of a possible 15 alterations, 14 of those could have other different people instead of 4.

I'm not against MAing, but I'm also not against making more of the playerbase happy.

Everyone is there on their own merit, unless they're using their friends' accounts, and then yeah it's probably a rude thing to do.

You're not taking anything from anyone just by having more than one account. Having a better chance at merchants doesn't mean you're going to be taking something away from anyone. Have a 2 in 50 chance at an alter rather than a 1 in 50 chance at an alter does NOT mean the person with two accounts will ALWAYS take the spot destined for those with one account. My awesome luck at the Winterfest aside, I own 4 accounts and I attend lots of merchants. I haven't been spun at ONE of them on ANY of my accounts since the Winterfest. My only alter since then has been from winning the premium contest. I'm not bitching though, am I?

I agree though, I HATE seeing Caro and Tsin armies at merchants. I mentioned before how bothered I got when one of Caro's 20 won that hour with Dreltin. It's fucking messed up that they only own 1-5 accounts, or whatever, but they use 15-20 at merchants. I do agree that there's a problem there, and those dumb cunts need to be more considerate.

[Latrinsorm]

You get what you pay for. You obviously cannot deny that fact, yet you come up with these absurd "what if's", that will never happen, because this part our world is something that will not change.I rebutted that "fact" in the first post I made - most of the world is in fact not capitalist.
It's really too bad if you don't like it, but as I said before: it's not fair, and that's too bad.It's somewhat perplexing to me that you still refuse to acknowledge the failure of your status quo argument, but then I've always been bemused by willful ignorance.
Goddamn, would you get the fuck over it already? Seriously.Would you like to know who has the most posts in this thread? 24 for Fmr. Gov. Spitzer, 20 for you, and the next closest is CT with 8. Are you sure that you're not the who who needs to get over it? :)
Because those guys in communist China are real important in the scope of this conversation.I was talking about America.

[Misun]

Everyone is there on their own merit, unless they're using their friends' accounts, and then yeah it's probably a rude thing to do.


Um...that is exactly what Caro's player is doing and what this thread was really about...not people using their OWN accounts but logging in their friends accounts to get work done for them. I don't have a problem if someone pays out 600 bucks a month for a million or so accounts and gets work done. I do have a problem with someone logging in ten accounts that don't belong to them to get work done.

I have been to a couple of merchants where there have been perhaps 30 or less people and about 16 of them her.....I usually just leave. It's not worth it to sit there for a couple of hours while they all get work.

Actually....it really doesn't bother me nearly as much as the people at merchants who whine and complain when they don't get work done and claim things are rigged or 'favored'. THAT is really lame. If they feel spinners are 'rigged' why even be there? And it always seems to be the same people who complain over and over when they don't win. If you think spinners and raffles are rigged, don't enter or wait around and just complain.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I was talking about America.

Last I checked, all of America was Capitalists.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/CP_logo.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Last I checked, all of America was Capitalists.A capitalist isn't defined by a person saying "I'm a capitalist". Almost nobody in America acts capitalistically, how can one say that people in America are capitalists?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

A capitalist isn't defined by a person saying "I'm a capitalist". Almost nobody in America acts capitalistically, how can one say that people in America are capitalists?

How can one say they aren't? I probably made up the word (capitalist), but you said "Most people in the world aren't capitalists." To which I responded that this had diddly to do with the conversation.

The United States is a CAPITALISTIC society. Better?

[Whimsi]

The United States is a CAPITALISTIC society. Better?

It's funny that people still sweat Latrinsorm's posts. Especially since he doesn't like to have real, substantive debates. He prefers to quible endlessly over insignificant details and to trivialize conversations with grandiose verbiage.

[g++]

capitolitastic

[Latrinsorm]

How can one say they aren't? I probably made up the word (capitalist), but you said "Most people in the world aren't capitalists." To which I responded that this had diddly to do with the conversation.America IS the world, HELLO.
The United States is a CAPITALISTIC society. Better?The only accurate adjective for the United States is American. There's a reason economics didn't stop after Adam Smith.
Especially since he doesn't like to have real, substantive debates. He prefers to quible endlessly over insignificant details and to trivialize conversations with grandiose verbiage.It's funny to hear people tell me what I like - even when the people in question are 180º out of phase.

[Stanley Burrell]

The only accurate adjective for the United States is American. There's a reason economics didn't stop after Adam Smith.

Most countries in South America don't refer to us as North Americans. They refer to themselves as Americans -- And us, as Americans, as well. At least the real Castellanos.

[diethx]

Um...that is exactly what Caro's player is doing and what this thread was really about...not people using their OWN accounts but logging in their friends accounts to get work done for them.

No shit, you don't say?!?!?! ;)

I know why the thread started, and I was agreeing with CT on that point. I was also responding to the discussion on MA'ing.


It's funny that people still sweat Latrinsorm's posts. Especially since he doesn't like to have real, substantive debates. He prefers to quible endlessly over insignificant details and to trivialize conversations with grandiose verbiage.

You're pretty spot on, and nah I wouldn't sweat it. I guess I just wasted some time trying to make a point when all he wanted to do was dance around in circles and nitpick those exact insignificant details. But you're totally right, he's so not worth even bothering with.

[Meos]

lololol at ma gives Simu so much money, but whatever cuz theyre prolly 480 pounsd from eating so many chicken buttholes in thier mommas basement lolololololol

[diethx]

lololol at ma gives Simu so much money, but whatever cuz theyre prolly 480 pounsd from eating so many chicken buttholes in thier mommas basement lolololololol

Drunk posting ftl :/

[Meos]

ive got a turd in ur mouth factory and a bricks parking ramp in ur butt so go eat a gorilla taint weenlord

[Heratik]

I'm saying why should we cater to those who pay more.

Because they pay more.

[diethx]

ive got a turd in ur mouth factory and a bricks parking ramp in ur butt so go eat a gorilla taint weenlord

http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/Ren1345/th_facepalm.png

[Stanley Burrell]

ive got a turd in ur mouth factory and a bricks parking ramp in ur butt so go eat a gorilla taint weenlord


http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/Ren1345/th_facepalm.png

You have singlehanded made voice-over artist George Lowe facepalm!!! BASTARD.

<3 SGC2C

[Misun]

Who cares? You win, anyway. You're not the one paying 12 x $14.95+ each month for a silly game.

Since when is a premium account $14.95?

[Sthrockmorton]

150 bucks a month.. 5m a day hunting.. 3 days to pay for the entire month.

Giving up your life for a game... priceless

[CrystalTears]

Giving up your life for a game... priceless


And sad.
And yet you're posting on a message board dedicated to it and posting in a GS thread no less, and you don't play. Who's more sad?

[Some Rogue]

And yet you're posting on a message board dedicated to it and posting in a GS thread no less, and you don't play. Who's more sad?

And posting 82 times in under three days. 29 posts a day! :rofl:

[diethx]

And yet you're posting on a message board dedicated to it and posting in a GS thread no less, and you don't play. Who's more sad?

Tsin.

[CrystalTears]

YOU SURE GOT ME THERE! :lol:

[diethx]

Yup, I sure did!

How did this gs4gs4/youlose account get through the new PC security?!

[Drisco]

Ya... Why wasn't he banned along with the others.

[Snapp]

He supports the paper-thin roleplaying movement.

[Whimsi]

Thanks!

90 plus posts so far and not a thing worth saying.

Although I do have to wonder what the usual ratio of worthless to useful posts is on PC. Anyhoo, it has to be better than one in 90.

[Stanley Burrell]

I like Caro.

[diethx]

I like Caro.

You also like Andraste.

[Stanley Burrell]

Everyone pretty much hates Andraste for the same reason they hate Emeradan in that they've been around long enough to be hated.

There is 0 logic or reasoning. People get banned or bitchslapped and whine about it for the rest of their e-lives.

[diethx]

Everyone pretty much hates Andraste for the same reason they hate Emeradan in that they've been around long enough to be hated.

There is 0 logic or reasoning. People get banned or bitchslapped and whine about it for the rest of their e-lives.

I've never been banned or bitchslapped or in any trouble save for a slip of the naughty language and subsequent soaping at Wayside, years before the tables were considered private. Way to make a wildly assumptive statement with nothing solid to back it up, even after reading testimonial upon testimonial expressing the contrary. I may have to begin calling you Drisco2.

[Stanley Burrell]

I meant everybody except for you.

[Snapp]

Everyone pretty much hates Andraste for the same reason they hate Emeradan in that they've been around long enough to be hated.

There is 0 logic or reasoning. People get banned or bitchslapped and whine about it for the rest of their e-lives.

0 logic? Have you seen some of the threads about her? Granted, some are just making fun of her appearance or whatev, but some people have actual reason to dislike her.

[Stanley Burrell]

I know. They're still the vocal minority and blowing shit out of proportion.

[Elvenlady]

She struck again last night with at least 8 in her thrall that I was aware of, every single one of them a zombie.

Omara softly says, "Not sure I wish to wait for Caro and her minions to be through. I'll do something a bit more productive, I suppose."
s>
Omara shrugs.
s>
Omara softly says, "Luck to you all."
s>
Omara just went south.
s>
Adrowynne hums a sweet, peaceful tune.
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Aneris says, "Nice guy that Omara."
s>
Aneris rolls his eyes.

Caro says, "Minions indeed. I have friends, not minions. Catch me at Ebon Gate sometime....generally 20 folks following me cause I'm good at finding merchants."

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, reminded me of this thread. Especially since I didn't get work done. :(

[Hips]

I was second in the room, then Caro and her group arrived. After that, Omara came in.

I counted sixteen between myself and Omara... all of whom were in Caro's group. It really is unfortunate that she essentially ruins everyone else's chance at an alter dragging a group that size around.


log snippet, just to prove my point:

[Ta'Vaalor, Victory Wey]
The turrets and crennelated walls of Guardian Keep tower above the city. Fashioned of pale ivory stone, the ancestral home of House Vaalor is a deceptively lovely stronghold. Glittering red and gold pennants flutter atop the crimson tiled rooftops. Several city guardsmen stand in the center of the wey, blocking any progress into the Keep's inner courtyard. You also see a quirky tropical spirit that is flying around and the keep gate.
Also here: Hochma, Master Seamstress Adrowynne who is sitting
Obvious paths: south
>curt adro
You curtsy to Adrowynne.
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
Hochma says, "You have a secret admirer."
Hochma chuckles.
Dalzashel just arrived.
Caro's group just arrived.
Adrowynne chuckles.
Adrowynne asks, "I do?"
Adrowynne smiles at you.
You feel at full magical power again.
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
Omara just arrived.
>l
A white-bellied hawk flies in.
[Ta'Vaalor, Victory Wey]
The turrets and crennelated walls of Guardian Keep tower above the city. Fashioned of pale ivory stone, the ancestral home of House Vaalor is a deceptively lovely stronghold. Glittering red and gold pennants flutter atop the crimson tiled rooftops. Several city guardsmen stand in the center of the wey, blocking any progress into the Keep's inner courtyard. You also see a white-bellied hawk that is flying around, the Auraiya disk, the Nightphoenix disk, a quirky tropical spirit that is flying around and the keep gate.
Also here: Omara, Lecto, Eiken, Morcarta, Rosemuse, Angelene, Jozette, Arahbella, Raventress, High Lady Katara, Julliette, Lady Diandra, Ibai, Idhy, Surmei, Great Lady Pastoya, Caro, Dalzashel, Hochma, Seamstress Adrowynne who is sitting
Obvious paths: south

[Some Rogue]

Well, the good thing was only about 5 of her group got work. The merchant started spinning after that.

[Methais]

Simu should just make their front ends take up like 1 GB of RAM so that people like her would have to have a beast of a system to run that many accounts at once.


Caro says, "Minions indeed. I have friends, not minions. Catch me at Ebon Gate sometime....generally 20 folks following me cause I'm good at finding merchants."

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/Question2/facepalm.png

I never really had a problem with MA hunting, but shit like what Michiko posted is just ridiculous.

[Blushy]

I never really had a problem with MA hunting, but shit like what Michiko posted is just ridiculous.

Except for when Svardin and Qistra are dragging their MA army through the Stronghold, making it impossible for anyone of the proper level to hunt there.

[g++]

Caro says, "Minions indeed. I have friends, not minions. Catch me at Ebon Gate sometime....generally 20 folks following me cause I'm good at finding merchants."

When all 20 of these people are on the boards begging GM's to replace there stuff because one of these people flip out lets remember lines like this.

[Stanley Burrell]

[Script]>w
[Nine of Cups Cafe and Bar]
Here in the Cups, the knotty-pine walls are hung with a variety of game trophies and paintings. A row of booths lines the back wall, and opposite them stands a long, low bar with a shining brass foot-rail. Wooden panels suspended from the ceiling sway gently back and forth, propelled by a complex system of cords and pulleys that crisscrosses the wainscoting. The panels whisper a lazy swish that keeps the air moving gently and dissipates the distinctive aroma of cigar smoke. You also see a small brown cat that is kneeling, the halfling Belle and a bar tended by a halfling bartender.
Also here: Caro, Kallemor, Targotyll, Keph, Grabbs, Great Lady Vipra
Obvious exits: east
[Script]>
Caro taps a sturdy black leather gem pouch that she is wearing.
[Script]>
Caro just opened a sturdy black leather gem pouch.
[Script]>
Werre just arrived.
[Script]>
Werre joins Vipra's group.
[Script]>
Werre put a razor-sharp black vultite moon axe in his hooded battle cloak.
[Script]>
Werre slings a heavy steel tower shield over his shoulder.
[Script]>
Manodith just arrived.
[Script]>
Manodith heads over to the Adder Booth.
[Script]>
Caro removes a well-crafted maoral-hilted vultite short-sword from in her leather gem pouch.
[Script]>
Caro offers Werre a well-crafted maoral-hilted vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Werre accepts Caro's vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Caro renews her song.
[Script]>
Caro removes a well-crafted maoral-hilted vultite short-sword from in her leather gem pouch.
[Script]>
A small brown cat lifts her head and yawns widely. Then she settles down once more with her whiskered nose across her curled-up forepaws.
A small brown cat suddenly pounces, attacking nothing in particular.
[Script]>
Belle glances around the room, as if looking for something.
[Script]>
Caro offers Vipra a well-crafted maoral-hilted vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Vipra accepts Caro's vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Caro removes an elegant maoral-hilted vultite short-sword from in her leather gem pouch.
[Script]>
Caro offers Grabbs an elegant maoral-hilted vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Grabbs accepts Caro's vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Caro removes an elegant maoral-hilted vultite short-sword from in her leather gem pouch.
[Script]>
Caro offers Keph an elegant maoral-hilted vultite short-sword.
[Script]>
Keph accepts Caro's vultite short-sword.

Dude...

[yesicj]

As an off-topic tangent, I was really bummed when I found out what happened to Vipra. I never knew who it was that actually ended up buying her, just that the original owner was unable to get her back.
The moral of the story (and a part of the Composer thread): don't trust people with your account. Christ.

[Elvenlady]

Caro's dishing out of weapons to the minions.

Dude...

But they're friends, remember.

[arlia]

Holy shit. And all premium!

I'd like to have that kind of money lying around.

[Misun]

I'd like to have that kind of money lying around.

Once again, they are her friends accounts, not hers.

[Belnia]

Deanna just left.
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Solanjel just left.
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Vexnis just left.
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Michiko hums quietly to herself.
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Yulis carefully inspects his brigandine armor.
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Jadzara just left.
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Chiharu just left.
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Lydara just left.
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Leshyae just left.
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Kisela just left.
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Issadore just left.
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Petravinia just left.
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Mormiriel just left.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wow

[Elvenlady]

She has lots of "friends", remember.

[Hips]

Also here: Missoni, Stormwilds, Wessley, Araebelle, Stormroses, Phinyous, Raventress, Maidenette, Lady Diandra, Jastis, Daegus, Kicva, Ibai, Idhy, Caro, Lord Wyrrd, Lord Trallihn, Thallirn, Jaysehn


Someone's getting ready for the wigmaker in Ta'Illistim!

[thefarmer]

Also here: Missoni, Stormwilds, Wessley, Araebelle, Stormroses, Phinyous, Raventress, Maidenette, Lady Diandra, Jastis, Daegus, Kicva, Ibai, Idhy, Caro, Lord Wyrrd, Lord Trallihn, Thallirn, Jaysehn


Someone's getting ready for the wigmaker in Ta'Illistim!

Jaysehn need a new rug?

[Some Rogue]

Jaysehn need a new rug?

Merkin

[Methais]

Also here: Missoni, Stormwilds, Wessley, Araebelle, Stormroses, Phinyous, Raventress, Maidenette, Lady Diandra, Jastis, Daegus, Kicva, Ibai, Idhy, Caro, Lord Wyrrd, Lord Trallihn, Thallirn, Jaysehn


Someone's getting ready for the wigmaker in Ta'Illistim!

This is a serious game guys.

[Elvenlady]

Just an amusing addendum. I love reading her posts on the officials, they're always self-centred, demanding and always with an additional note to remind everyone she has "friends" For example, posted in the Artisan Skills folder:

Now that the clothing system has been updated...

We want tailoring! Myself and my friends, that is.

Saesa's (and others) player

[thefarmer]

Just an amusing addendum. I love reading her posts on the officials, they're always self-centred, demanding and always with an additional note to remind everyone she has "friends" For example, posted in the Artisan Skills folder:

Now that the clothing system has been updated...

We want tailoring! Myself and my friends, that is.

Saesa's (and others) player

I had no idea Saeesa was part of the troupe.

I guess that explains some things.

[Methais]

Just an amusing addendum. I love reading her posts on the officials, they're always self-centred, demanding and always with an additional note to remind everyone she has "friends" For example, posted in the Artisan Skills folder:

Now that the clothing system has been updated...

We want tailoring! Myself and my friends, that is.

Saesa's (and others) player

What's the account name she posts from so I can read her other gayness?

[Misun]

What's the account name she posts from so I can read her other gayness?

Moonmist or something?

[Elvenlady]

Yup, it's Moonmist.

[Elvenlady]

Moonmist's latest post on the officials:

And to work on his sword belts! I don't have one but some of my friends do.

Saesa's (and others) player

I don't know why but now I always picture her having little doll tea parties with her "friends".

[MotleyCrew]

Moonmist is Katara's little bitch who does all her grunt work for her.

[Misun]

Moonmist's latest post on the officials:

And to work on his sword belts! I don't have one but some of my friends do.

Saesa's (and others) player

I don't know why but now I always picture her having little doll tea parties with her "friends".

It's good to have friends! Even if they are all just in your head. ;)

[LadyLaphrael]

Also here: Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena

Lady Jirele's group just arrived.

Also here: Arsh, Ibai, Idhy, Great Lady Pastoya, Kristabel, Seluus, Rubytears, Julliette, Lady Jozette, Lady Anjel, Jadzara, Lady Saesa, Sylverose, Lady Jirele, Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena


She never gets old at these merchant gatherings. Nor do any of her "friends."

[Xiandrena]

We could still lynch them, got 45 minutes to hide the bodies too.

[Kalayil]

I don't get alterations a lot, so when I saw tonight's "speed run" thing, I was like WOOOOO, doin' it!

...then Laphrael told me all about why that was such a large group, I read this thread, and I raged. I can't believe this kind of crap goes on. As I type right now, the group isn't even done yet. It's so painfully obvious. Sometimes, she uses the wrong account window and hands an item already altered to the alterer. AND WASTES MORE TIME.

...good god.

[Skeeter]

Always liked Rubytears. That's a shame.

[Moist Happenings]

I read uh, like two pages. I have no idea if this thread is still on topic or what you guys are talking about. What I want to comment on is: Holy crap, Pastoya got sold? Pastoya was AWESOME.

damnit.

[Askip]

Also here: Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena

Lady Jirele's group just arrived.

Also here: Arsh, Ibai, Idhy, Great Lady Pastoya, Kristabel, Seluus, Rubytears, Julliette, Lady Jozette, Lady Anjel, Jadzara, Lady Saesa, Sylverose, Lady Jirele, Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena


She never gets old at these merchant gatherings. Nor do any of her "friends."

Fourteen accounts? Someone must have a trust fund, jeez.

:D

[CrystalTears]

Those are all her friends. She's being nice. Sheesh. :D

[RainyDay2080]

Also here: Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena

Lady Jirele's group just arrived.

Also here: Arsh, Ibai, Idhy, Great Lady Pastoya, Kristabel, Seluus, Rubytears, Julliette, Lady Jozette, Lady Anjel, Jadzara, Lady Saesa, Sylverose, Lady Jirele, Daefea, Teegan, Xiandrena

Holy fucking shit. She makes Tsin look like a poser.

RD

[MotleyCrew]

We can all enjoy her and her possy at EG too, just bought my ticket and there she is...

Anjel, Katara, Kristabel, Jadzara, Jozette...all on the list

[Belnia]

She tempts me to get quake imbeds every time I see her group.

[LadyLaphrael]

I've been tempted to "take one for the team" and stalk her and measure her with a cobbling cord, forcing her into 15 seconds of unstoppable d100-less RT. Back o' the line, bitch (and friends!).

[Methais]

She tempts me to get quake imbeds every time I see her group.

What are you waiting for?

[yesicj]

I've been tempted to "take one for the team" and stalk her and measure her with a cobbling cord, forcing her into 15 seconds of unstoppable d100-less RT. Back o' the line, bitch (and friends!).

That would be spectacular. Maybe even better than Shedbolt, but I'm not sure yet.

[Drevihyin]

So I'm sitting like 36th in room order, just hoping to get lucky and lighten my armor, Belnia makes her grand exit and no one else is leaving the room after their service. So I'm like what the hell why is no one leaving did I miss something? Then all the air was sucked out of the room from the void her group made as they exited.

[LadyLaphrael]

Crosspost from the officials. I could've sworn all of her friends followed her around because she was so good at finding merchants and stuff. Funny how that works...:

My Marine friend bought a platinum ticket...

and then got sent out into the field and will be gone the entire time it is open in plat. He asked me to take his archer around Ebon for him to pick up archery goodies. Someone tell me where to find archery goodies, please?

And has anyone bought one of the sashes or harnesses in the brawling riverboat? Are they like the Greame ones and can only hold two weapons of different sizes? Or can they hold two of the same size/type?

Saesa's (and others) player

[Xiandrena]

I still think stalking her and casting 130 would be fun.

[Garnet Doyle]

It would be, but cast something else to bring yourself out of hiding first once you stalk them. For some reason, if you stalk someone, then sym return or incant 130, only you disappear. Yet if you cast something else, or ambush a piece of the scenery (just typing 'unhide' will remove you from the group), then you're out of hiding, and in the group, which is when the fun can happen.

[Garnet Doyle]

What are you waiting for?

Wasn't there a recent announcement that quake will no longer be imbeddable?

[Allereli]

Wasn't there a recent announcement that quake will no longer be imbeddable?

no?

[Gelston]

Quake is very much still imbeddible.

[LadyLaphrael]

Gemcutters and patterns merchant in River's Rest tonight?! Load 'em up and move 'em out!

Bryseus's group just arrived.

Also here: Aruinn, Sinsafaray, Great Lady Vipra, Araebelle, Willowbelle, Lauryl, Dracoblood, Teyria, Lulu, Jarvan, Lady Jozette, Kelvaria, Journeywoman Aureli, Bryseus, Lady Shysmile

[Hips]

Only fifteen? I scoff in her general direction.

*SCOFF* *SCOFF*

[Misun]

Only fifteen? I scoff in her general direction.

*SCOFF* *SCOFF*

I know, amazing isn't it?

[Methais]

I only counted 14. Shysmile isn't part of the group judging by the room order.

[Elvenlady]

I noticed she was back the other day on the officials, moaning again as usual that something wasn't good enough. I knew it wouldn't be long before she unleashed the horde.

[thefarmer]

What's she post under?

[Elvenlady]

What's she post under?

Moonmist

[MotleyCrew]

What's she post under?


Moonmist

The actual owner of most of the accounts is Katara.

[Winter's Kiss]

Yeah, and you can never tell when it's Katara or Caro.. So it's just safe to say they're all the same twat.

[LadyLaphrael]

At least there's some satisfaction in knowing that she paid for all those alts to get to RR and back, only to have the main prize being sold off-the-shelf.

[Methais]

A bunch of archers should get together and coordinate a simultaneous sniping of the whole crew from hiding.

[Kitsun]

Gemcutters and patterns merchant in River's Rest tonight?! Load 'em up and move 'em out!

Bryseus's group just arrived.

Also here: Aruinn, Sinsafaray, Great Lady Vipra, Araebelle, Willowbelle, Lauryl, Dracoblood, Teyria, Lulu, Jarvan, Lady Jozette, Kelvaria, Journeywoman Aureli, Bryseus, Lady Shysmile

What blows my mind is all of them are PREMIUM accounts.

[Ker_Thwap]

I'm astounded that people share accounts.

I've heard too many stories about 'My spouse deleted all my characters and left me" or "My little brother logged in last night stripped my character naked in town square and gave away all my equipment then smile magicked taking a dump."

No matter how much you may trust the person there are always factors beyond their control.

[Katara]

I mean really. I just found this topic as I don't check here too often. Guys get your facts straight.. if you are curious why don't you just ASK.

FYI:

You give me waaay too much credit and no I don't own a bazillion accounts. The lady behind Caro is a military wife who runs characters to merchants for a group of players. Yes it is a cooperative and she does it to help out folks who can't be around. She has done me the favor several times when I wanted this service or that service or needed something altered.

8 out of 10 times I'm not running Katara to a merchant. If you see me animated and talking to the group then yup thats me cause well.. those of you who KNOW me and have KNOWN me for upteenth years know that I'm a loud mouth. BUT WORK and Family obligations limit my time.. the last few years especially. Caro has only been up to this.. I would say since around anfelt (or however you spell it). She is an absolute doll and I have never met anyone who is as hyper organized as she is AND if you find yourself behind her group you'll find that a merchant can run twice as fast through her group cause she is so organized as a pair of folks who don't know what the hell they want!

Also anyone who knows me knows I never MA hunt. I have three accounts that are MINE and I have access to two more that belong to relations but I rarely use them for anything but dragging them with if they need something done; I have my hands full already and I am NOT a very good MAer. I can't keep up with the screen with one much less lots of characters! I've been playing since the early 90s.. I'm old!

I thought some of you were friends, I had no idea all this nastiness was going on.

Do you really, truly believe there aren't lots of MAers around GS? They may be less obvious than Caro and her cooperative but they are there. And very often those characters aren't really played they are just used for the purpose of merchant hunting (which btw isn't a crime). The characters Caro drags around from time to time are all over 20 and in most cases in their 30s-60s in level and then there is me.. an old fart.

I'm not hiding it.. I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME to get everything I want done in GS. GS can be all comsuming in the time department and I am very grateful that a friend has seen fit to drag the sorry ass of my character around and keep a list of things I want done. Each account is active and in good standing and is played by their respective owners when time permits.

Owners that include: A woman who had been dealing with her father with alzheimer's AND work obligations (me), a mother of 3 with under 1 twins, two folks serving in the military, and a few working folks who can't be here during the day.

And lastly, I know for a fact that when Caro drags around the large group.. she often leaves before the whole row has had services to make sure others get a chance, she has done stuff for people at the back of the line and has done stuff for other friends who have bad luck. She is a damn good merchant hunter and that is not something thats easy. I remember on the wavedancer a group of like 12 that were damn good at finding the merchant.. that had nothing to do with me or the lady behind Caro that was some other group. And there was an uproar that when singles or pairs went into the merchant room this large group arrived first.. well too damn bad.

It's my decision to allow her to access my character when MY character gets spun or gets to her turn in line MY item is done not hers. It is the same with each character she runs; the player behind the character gives her a list and she does her best to get it done for them. The stuff we get done is not later resold it is mostly simply stuff for character purposes. When there is some uber auction/raffle or event I am playing Kat myself. And GS is still fun for me.. rping, interacting with everyone and being loud and fun (I consider Katara the auntie Mame of GS). I try to be generous and yes I have amassed a tidy sum of silvers in the what is it, 14 15? years since I started with GS and I make no apologies for it. There was a time when I was very aggressive about making and acquiring silvers. Since the beginning I always wanted to RP a wealthy woman of resource my only mistake was that I didn't make Katara an elven.. I'll admit it.. I have elven envy.. hence my younger characters.

In the end; this is a game and like any good strategist.. I position myself appropriately.

[CrystalTears]

I understand where you're coming from, and it's nice that she offers to help people. I just think that toting a dozen or more people ALL THE TIME into merchants is a bit much, especially when merchants only do work for about a dozen people anyway.

I don't mind groups of 5 or so gathering and going to merchants. But 20? I understand that people want to get stuff done, but can't you split into smaller groups to give individual people a chance? Or is this just like with CCF where if you snooze you lose even though that snoozer never had a chance in hell anyway?

[Katara]

Oh and for the record.. in this RR group .. Araebelle and Jozette are mine.. the rest belong to other people. I was in Miami that week for my Godson's confirmation and I really wanted a gemcutter and patterns. BITE ME!

[Katara]

Has she made it to 20 people? LOL.. I had no idea it was so many.. I'm not personally around at the time .. but I can tell her and ask her to split the groups into two or three. I mean its her methods but I can give her this request.. I don't find the request to be out of order.

[CrystalTears]

Do whatever you want, but allowing someone access to your account to a game just because you'll actually be busy and can't commit to a game for a merchant is going to bite you in the ass some day.

(Okay 20 may or may not have been an exaggeration, but usually there are far more than a handful in that group anyway. A dozen isn't far from the truth.)

[Hips]

You know what most people do when they can't make it to a merchant?

They don't go.


Astonishing, eh?!

[Katara]

And they miss out on some cool stuff. If I have a way to get it done.. why not?

Astonishing that people find ways to get things done.. ain't it?

[Hips]

What's really astonishing is their lack of regard for others.

[Katara]

Lack of regard?That's funny seeing is I remember doing something for you once on 4 winds. I can't even tell you how often I have done an item for someone else, given away some cool item or given my space to someone else in line.

As I said; having a dozen folks in one row would not be my choice but its not my method. I am grateful a friend takes the time to include me.

[CrystalTears]

And they miss out on some cool stuff. If I have a way to get it done.. why not?

Astonishing that people find ways to get things done.. ain't it?
You're missing the point about being selfish here. If you can't make it, you don't get it. Why should the people who are controlling their characters and make the effort to get to the merchant on their own be punished?

[Allereli]

Lack of regard?That's funny seeing is I remember doing something for you once on 4 winds. I can't even tell you how often I have done an item for someone else, given away some cool item or given my space to someone else in line.

There's a difference between getting something done for one person, and taking up 15 spaces in line. Since you're not there to witness, I'll tell you it doesn't go fast. Yes, it's a lack of regard for others.

[Katara]

All of the folks are real characters. Someone is able to control them at that point it becomes a get to the merchant in time deal just like any other time. If we were all logged in and joined to Caro but we were all individually live meaning 12 computers around the world controlling the 12 characters and we're all joined to her and she makes the mad dash.. its the same thing. She is simply better at finding the merchant and moving fast than I am. When I am playing Kat I choose to join her cause she is just that good. I could never do it.

On Wavedancer.. man I was Johnny come lately. Every so often I made it to the middle of the pack .. I think once I made it third in line and that was in first class were competition was alot less. Sometimes I'm good and I can do it but sometimes I get all flustered. She's simply better.

[Allereli]

All of the folks are real characters. Someone is able to control them at that point it becomes a get to the merchant in time deal just like any other time. If we were all logged in and joined to Caro but we were all individually live meaning 12 computers around the world controlling the 12 characters and we're all joined to her and she makes the mad dash.. its the same thing.

It's not the same thing. In this case you went to the merchant yourself, in every other case, you're a zombie who didn't do any of the work. Again, getting something done for one person is different than bringing in 15 characters.

[Gallows Thief]

<<<[QUOTE=Katara;918689]All of the folks are real characters. Someone is able to control them at that point it becomes a get to the merchant in time deal just like any other time. If we were all logged in and joined to Caro but we were all individually live meaning 12 computers around the world controlling the 12 characters and we're all joined to her and she makes the mad dash.. its the same thing. She is simply better at finding the merchant and moving fast than I am. When I am playing Kat I choose to join her cause she is just that good. I could never do it. >>>


Point is you arent there. Your character is simply a bot. She walks a dozen bots to a merchant. That is what pisses people off. It's one person clogging up merchant lines. Do whatever you like just dont expect people to not be pissed about it. Most people follow a simple premise, if I cant be there at a merchant I dont get shit done. Your character will be seen as a non rping bot by a great deal of people.

[MotleyCrew]

Yer such a bullshitter, you have at least 8 accounts and they all go to merchants whether you control them or not.

[CrystalTears]

All of the folks are real characters. Someone is able to control them at that point it becomes a get to the merchant in time deal just like any other time. If we were all logged in and joined to Caro but we were all individually live meaning 12 computers around the world controlling the 12 characters and we're all joined to her and she makes the mad dash.. its the same thing. She is simply better at finding the merchant and moving fast than I am. When I am playing Kat I choose to join her cause she is just that good. I could never do it. I don't think anyone is saying that all these characters aren't real or controlled and played by different players. But you have admitted (quite proudly) that she has access to your account, and quite possible she does for other accounts as well, so you're all not there.

What she's doing is a nice thing, but it's still a selfish thing because you people just tell her what to get on your behalf, taking up space for people who aren't actually there, while others are actually trying to do the right thing on their own.

No one is arguing against MAing here. We're arguing the flagrant overindulgence of it at merchants.

[BriarFox]

Agreed. I find the fact that the characters are all bots to be far more annoying than anything else. 12 people at a merchant is one thing; 12 automata are another. Also, ethically speaking, you're doing nothing but reaping benefits - that's rather problematic.

[Sean]

It seems to me like her gist is her time is more valuable than your time. If she's too busy to be at the merchant she shouldn't be forced to go without but you however should have to schedule around the merchant. That is unless we see merchants of big group of bots from here on out because it's only the method that matters.

[Katara]

I just lost a post.. don't know what I clicked.. but as I was saying..

I don't find splitting the group up into smaller groups unreasonable and will pass that along. I may ask her to stop taking my girls .. at least to most merchants. But I reserve the right to send them to specialty things like the gemcutters if I can't get there myself!

I see where you guys are coming from and I'm not unreasonable about the whole thing. I'm not there a good chunk of the time so I don't see it. I have enough alters for now anyway.. ::chuckle::

And to whoever the hell is Motley.. what do you know? You have my credit card or soemthing? You work for Simu cause if you did you'd see my info on 3 accounts not 8. How many do you have? 10? Yeah you have 10. See I can accuse you too.

[Fallen]

It is generally not a good idea to admit that you allow others access to your account, even on these boards. Should anything remotely bad happen to you which could be attributed to the fact others have access to your account, GMs will completely shut you down for any requests for aid.

They have in the past, do now, and will continue to read these boards looking for shit like this.

[Katara]

Yeah, she is the only person I've every given access to and she's been straight up with me. But it might be time for a change.

[Fallen]

Yeah, she is the only person I've every given access to and she's been straight up with me. But it might be time for a change.

A sound idea. Just make sure there are no hard feelings, and that you believe you have a legitimate worry about the opinions GMs might take from this thread.

[Allereli]

But I reserve the right to send them to specialty things like the gemcutters if I can't get there myself!

The gemcutters were off the shelf. You don't even know what the circumstances are when your character is brought to an event. You don't know the selection method, you don't know how many people you're bundled in with, you probably don't even know what exactly is going to be worked on until you log in to find whatever on your list was altered.

That is what makes your zombie presence at these things annoying.

[Ignot]

The whole merchant thing is completely retarded to begin with. Not only do you have to track down when the merchants are coming, which is infrequently, but you have to drag your ass over there and wait for hours without speaking or doing anything but staring at your computer screen with hopes that you will make some item lighter or change it's appearance. The most horrible times in GS that I have ever experienced is waiting for a merchant. I think they need to make another means of allowing people to get these services that doesn't involve changing their whole life around and freeing up 3 hours of boring playing time. That being said, I would be pissed if someone walked up into a merchant with 10 zombies attached to them just because I don't want to give someone my account information but I can't blame people for doing it.

[Katara]

You're right Allereli, I didn't know until after the fact. I probably should have taken a greater interest.. especially since Katara isn't exactly a low profile type of magess. I simply wanted my lil escape place to progress without me and as I have said and will always say I am grateful to her for her help with it.

But I see your points; I'd probably have my nose tweaked too if I was behind Tsin's group constantly. I'll remove my girls from the mix.

[Allereli]

But I see your points; I'd probably have my nose tweaked too if I was behind Tsin's group constantly. I'll remove my girls from the mix.

GO PC!

[NocturnalRob]

GO PC!
What she meant to say was "Thank you."

[Katara]

I need a hug!