Bad luck?

[AestheticDeath]

[Valley]
A few large rocks rise from the grassy hillside as the rocky ridgeline gives way to the meadows at this juncture. A few treestumps also protrude from the grasses giving evidence of a slain forest. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast, south
>ne
[Upper Valley]
The forces of nature meet here as the rock face of the ridge dives into the top of the rolling grassy meadow. There are a few places in the grass where it appears that some larger animals have bedded under the open sky.
Obvious paths: southwest, west
>sw
[Valley]
A few large rocks rise from the grassy hillside as the rocky ridgeline gives way to the meadows at this juncture. A few treestumps also protrude from the grasses giving evidence of a slain forest. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast, south
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +68 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +4 = +84
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102001 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12999 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25531
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 22/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is fresh and clear.
>kill
A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +110 vs DS: +146 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +47 = +45
A clean miss.
The thrak scampers northeast.
>
You currently have no valid target. You will need to specify one.
>se
[Valley]
Dead and burned tree stumps hide playfully among the tall grasses of this rolling meadow country. The thorny undergrowth takes its toll on cloth garments and exposed flesh.
Obvious paths: northeast, south, southwest, northwest
>ne
[Valley]
Each footstep is swallowed by the sea of grass that flows across the meadows and hills around you. High above you see gulls dancing on the ocean breezes. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: north, southwest, west
>nw
You can't go there.
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak dodges just in the nick of time!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak dodges just in the nick of time!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +110 vs DS: +146 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +46 = +44
A clean miss.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>kill
...wait 2 seconds.
>kill
...wait 1 seconds.
>kill
kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +68 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +40 = +120
... and hit for 20 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.
The thrak is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>...wait 5 seconds.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102001 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12999 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25531
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 22/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is fresh and clear.
>
A manticore just arrived.
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +8 = +108
... and hit for 4 points of damage!
Thumped the thrak's chest.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>frown
You frown.
>kill
...wait 1 seconds.
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak moves at the last moment to evade the attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>l
[Valley]
Each footstep is swallowed by the sea of grass that flows across the meadows and hills around you. High above you see gulls dancing on the ocean breezes. You also see a manticore and a thrak.
Obvious paths: north, southwest, west
>
A manticore just arrived.
>
A manticore claws at you!
AS: +112 vs DS: +146 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +16 = +19
A clean miss.
A manticore heads north.
>
The thrak scampers west.
>growl
You growl ferociously!
>l
Yannad just arrived.
>
Yannad just went north.
>
[Valley]
Each footstep is swallowed by the sea of grass that flows across the meadows and hills around you. High above you see gulls dancing on the ocean breezes. You also see a manticore.
Obvious paths: north, southwest, west
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a manticore!
AS: +118 vs DS: +40 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +98 = +209
... and hit for 82 points of damage!
Slash to head destroys the manticore's left eye!
Doesn't do its brain any good either.
The manticore falls to the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
Lord Yolanthro just arrived.
>
Lord Yolanthro just went north.
>
A manticore just arrived.
>loot
kill
You search the manticore.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had nothing of interest.
A manticore decays into compost.
>You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a manticore!
AS: +118 vs DS: +40 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +18 = +129
... and hit for 64 points of damage!
Amazing slash to the manticore's belly!
Nothing quite like that empty feeling inside.
The manticore is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>l
[Valley]
Each footstep is swallowed by the sea of grass that flows across the meadows and hills around you. High above you see gulls dancing on the ocean breezes. You also see a manticore that appears stunned.
Obvious paths: north, southwest, west
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a manticore!
AS: +118 vs DS: +15 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +84 = +220
... and hit for 97 points of damage!
Awesome slash severs the manticore's right arm!
A jagged stump is all that remains!
The manticore falls to the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>loot
You search the manticore.
It had 76 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 76 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
A manticore decays into compost.
>out
You can't go there.
>w
[Valley]
From this hillcrest you can see much of the middle meadowlands and the hilly crests above the city of Wehnimer's Landing. Rocky ledges lie to the northeast with the meadows in every other direction. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast, south
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
By amazing chance, the thrak evades the attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102018 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12982 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25731
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 22/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is clear.
>
A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +100 vs DS: +136 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +42 = +40
A clean miss.
The thrak looks a little dubious about its situation.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak barely dodges the attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102018 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12982 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25731
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 22/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is clear.
>scoff
You scoff.
>kill
...wait 1 seconds.
>
A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +100 vs DS: +136 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +58 = +56
A clean miss.
The thrak looks a little dubious about its situation.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak evades the attack by a hair!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>'what the hell
You say, "What the hell."
>l
[Valley]
From this hillcrest you can see much of the middle meadowlands and the hilly crests above the city of Wehnimer's Landing. Rocky ledges lie to the northeast with the meadows in every other direction. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast, south
>kill
A thrak claws at you!
AS: +100 vs DS: +136 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +82 = +83
A clean miss.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak moves at the last moment to evade the attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>l
[Valley]
From this hillcrest you can see much of the middle meadowlands and the hilly crests above the city of Wehnimer's Landing. Rocky ledges lie to the northeast with the meadows in every other direction. You also see a thrak.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast, south
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +55 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +28 = +121
... and hit for 21 points of damage!
Powerful slash just cracks the thrak's shield arm!
A thrak screeches loudly and slumps to the ground while frantically licking its wounded left foreleg.
The thrak is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +2 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +6 = +152
... and hit for 41 points of damage!
Weapon arm mangled horribly.
The thrak hisses one last time and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102035 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12965 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25731
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 26/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is clear.
>

[justincredible]

63 grinding attempts before a best haft...

Dark elven rogue made to do nothing but craft...
Str 93
Agi 94
Dis 95

[Methais]

What am I missing here?

[Tolwynn]

Taking 12 swings to kill a dinky little thrak with a 3x claidhmore, or the sheer number of dodges and evades it got off, take your pick.

[justincredible]

It has never taken me more than 23 attempts to get a best in the past. From what I know, conventional wisdom puts the average around 20 attempts. I'd be interested if any other similarly skilled forger has seen similar numbers.

Those 40 extra hafts = an extra hour and a half in the forge

[AestheticDeath]

Yeah thrak outright dodged me 7 times, and mants die in like one hit even though they are older.

[Latrinsorm]

Manticores have lower DS and worse armor than thraks, of course they're easier to kill.

As for the EBP, thraks can go to stance defensive too.

[AestheticDeath]

The thrak wasn't defensive swinging at 100, and the armor is negligible, DS was as well

There is just a huge dodge/parry difference between the two.

[Latrinsorm]

The thrak wasn't defensive swinging at 100The point is you don't know what stance the thrak was in for any given swing.
and the armor is negligible, DS was as wellYou swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +68 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +40 = +120
... and hit for 20 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.
The thrak is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +55 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +28 = +121
... and hit for 21 points of damage!
Powerful slash just cracks the thrak's shield arm!
A thrak screeches loudly and slumps to the ground while frantically licking its wounded left foreleg.
The thrak is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

These hits would have been 28 + 3 = 31 points higher, which with the crit weighting would have been a rank 9 crit max instead of rank 7.

You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
AS: +118 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +8 = +108
... and hit for 4 points of damage!
Thumped the thrak's chest.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

This hit would have been high enough to get the crit weighting to kick in against a manticore's combination of DS and armor instead of being a nick.
There is just a huge dodge/parry difference between the two.There may or may not be, but you have no empirical grounds to claim there is.

[Clipt]

A minotaur magus gestures at you!
A minotaur magus hurls a roaring ball of fire at you!
AS: +434 vs DS: +456 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +99 = +147
... and hits for 26 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm burns skin bright red.
The guiding force leaves a minotaur magus.
The roaring ball of fire strikes you, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
... 15 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm toasts skin to elbows.
You are stunned for 1 round!

A minotaur warrior lets loose with an enormous bellow, his crimson eyes bulging in a mad rage!
A minotaur warrior swings a blackened steel moon axe at you!
AS: +443 vs DS: +430 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +61 = +115
... and hits for 9 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left arm.
A dark shadowy tendril rises up from your skin, writhes its way up a blackened steel moon axe towards a minotaur warrior and lashes out malevolently...
Your surroundings blur for a moment . . .


[Wehnimer's, North Dock]
The dock's planks are dull and weathered from the salt spray of many seasons. Northward beyond the massive sea gates, moonlit clouds drift by, silhouetted against the sky over the dark waters of Darkstone Bay. The hulk of a derelict coastal sailer is tethered to the end of the pier. You also see a stack of empty crates and a blue gate framed by a tall stockade wall.
Obvious paths: west
The shadowy tendrils surrounding you begin to swirl faster and faster until they are just a blurred haze of quickly spiraling darkness.
The tendrils drain most of your life force.
... 25 points of damage!
Neck broken.
You twitch several times before dying.
You become solid again.
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
The deep blue glow leaves you.
The air calms down around you.
The white light leaves you.
The very powerful look leaves you.
The light blue glow leaves you.
The powerful look leaves you.
You return to normal color.
A dark shadow seems to detach itself from your body, swiftly dissipating into the air.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
You sense that your attunement to the minds of others has ceased.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
You feel less confident than before.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves you.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...


BAD LUCK

[AestheticDeath]

The point is you don't know what stance the thrak was in for any given swing.

There may or may not be, but you have no empirical grounds to claim there is.

Actually I do? I swing faster than thraks, there is no way it was stancing and no way it could swing at 100 in defensive.

And you could easily see that they dodge better even from that small sample. If you want to be an argumentative dick, so be it. But you could go test them for 1000 swings yourself if you want to try and disprove it.

[Latrinsorm]

I swing faster than thraks, there is no way it was stancing and no way it could swing at 100 in defensive.On 3 separate occasions you attacked multiple times without the thrak attacking. Even if thraks were governed by the same stancing mechanics as player characters, you wouldn't be able to support your claim.
And you could easily see that they dodge better even from that small sample.You could if you don't have a firm grasp of statistics.
If you want to be an argumentative dick, so be it.You'll recall that you're the first person who started arguing with anyone. I just made a simple statement that you felt the need to try and nit-pick (poorly, c.f. your lack of response to DS/armor analysis).

[AestheticDeath]

A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +100 vs DS: +136 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +42 = +40
A clean miss.
The thrak looks a little dubious about its situation.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak barely dodges the attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>exp
Level: 9 Deeds: 0
Experience: 102018 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 12982 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25731
Physical TPs: 45 Mana: 22/32 max
(34 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is clear.
>scoff
You scoff.
>kill
...wait 1 seconds.
>
A thrak tries to bite you!
AS: +100 vs DS: +136 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +58 = +56
A clean miss.
The thrak looks a little dubious about its situation.
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>kill
You swing a massive glaes war claidhmore at a thrak!
The thrak evades the attack by a hair!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Looks to me I was swinging right after he did, no fucking way he stanced in between. So he is still dodging insanely well in offensive.

I have more proof than you do, your just saying its not concrete and being a snob. OMG you didn't have 1000 test swings. It may not be 100% proof, but it is a start and easy to make assumptions based on.

Kinda like when I mentioned my OTF findings loosely in a conversation and someone tried to say I was full of shit cause it was only two weeks of hunting, and then grepped their files and found out I was VERY close to what he had for several years worth of records.

If you want to say I am wrong, or something then go test and prove it.

You were offering very slim negligible reasons for why the thrak was harder to kill. They can go defensive, but I dont think they did. They almost never turtle unless you have a DS much higher than their AS. At best he was stuck in advanced stance.

[Latrinsorm]

Looks to me I was swinging right after he did, no fucking way he stanced in between.People have seen creatures stancing in between TWC swings, let alone a measureable time interval later.
I have more proof than you do, your just saying its not concrete and being a snob. OMG you didn't have 1000 test swings.You don't need 1000 swings, you just need some good ones. You haven't controlled for any variables whatsoever, drawing any mechanical conclusion from your post would be unjustified.
If you want to say I am wrong, or something then go test and prove it.I specifically said it could be the case, "but you have no empirical grounds" to claim it. The burden's not on me to do your work to prove your statement.
You were offering very slim negligible reasons for why the thrak was harder to kill.I've offered very tangible numbers, in refutation of which you've offered nothing but a repetition of your previous statements. That you find it easy to draw conclusions based on your information says something about you, not your information.