WTF?!? Marine throws puppy off cliff??

[Atlanteax]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/index.html?iref=topnews

http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

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Basically, there was a youtube video where it shows a Marine throwing a puppy off what appears to be a cliff ... with the puppy yelping as it goes flying. The other marine is heard to say "that was really mean XXXX".

Seems that it shows a Hawaii-based Marine throwing the puppy, which is how it became big news in Hawaii ... and youtube being bombarded with negative comments.

The Marine Corps say that they are looking into the incident, uncertain if it's real or staged.

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I certainly hope that it was a staged/doctored video...

Made me sick to my stomach...

[Celephais]

Take something I love from me, I take something you love from you.
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[diethx]

....

I won't even be watching that, staged or not :(

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Celephais
Take something I love from me, I take something you love from you.

That's how I roll.

[War Angel]

:(

[Celephais]

Yeah i didn't watch the clip... I just had to post the anchorman quote (not sure if that's the exact quote).

[Drew]

My favorite part about this is how half the clips on youtube are entitled "BARBARIC CHRISTIAN WARRIOR THROWS PUPPY" and similar things and the description text urges us to convert to Islam.

[Daniel]

As opposed to the Daniel Berg video or all the ones of them blowing people up...

[Sylvan Dreams]

He should be shot in the kneecaps and thrown off a cliff if that was for real.

[Stanley Burrell]

It should've been a feline, d'oh :(

[Stanley Burrell]

My favorite part about this is how half the clips on youtube are entitled "BARBARIC CHRISTIAN WARRIOR THROWS PUPPY" and similar things and the description text urges us to convert to Islam.

Don't worry, operation REYNALDO will save us all of the American Christian pseudo-joined-the-armed-forces from the e-terrorists. Someone else post the link.

The question is, if one Marine in Buttfuck, Tennesee throws, even, a kid off a cliff, does that have any bearings on 40 Marines getting blown up in Buttfuck, Iraq.

The answer is simple: Puppies are terrorists that harbor media whores away from the real problems of society. And is being operated by Karl Rove's e-cronies, durrr.

I suppose if you get offended or you roll your eyes at this post, that's me especially laughing at your stupid ass and telling you to go fuck yourself. Thrice.

Otherwise, this thread makes the average soldier or non-military personal wish to throw farm animals off the Grand Canyon.



Nope. No-no-no-no. Your opinion is wrong. I'm right. You're not. Deal with it, bizzlynitch. If you agree with me, you'll be wrong on some contemplated issue either tomorrow or later on tonight.

[Celephais]

Having just actually watched it... it looks fake, the puppy goes off camera as he winds up to throw it... it actually appears to stutter too, but that's probably just the shitty camera. I'm willing to be it is fake.

[sst]

Eh dogs over there are no different than rats. They're just about all wild. I watched the video, could not say if its real or fake, don't really care.

[Nieninque]

Eh dogs over there are no different than rats. They're just about all wild. I watched the video, could not say if its real or fake, don't really care.

Happily, you don't appear to set the moral code for the Marines.

[Warriorbird]

Now if it was a puppy throwing a Marine off a cliff... that'd be something.

[Nieninque]

Having just actually watched it... it looks fake, the puppy goes off camera as he winds up to throw it... it actually appears to stutter too, but that's probably just the shitty camera. I'm willing to be it is fake.

It is fake.
The dog isn't real.
Look when he holds it up to the camera at the beginning of the video, the dogs back legs are in a strange position for a dog that's being held by the scruff of the neck. The dog doesn't move position at all, throughout the time you can see it in the video.
The dog's squeals sound more like a parrot or something than a dog, and the volume of the squeals don't change despite the fact that the dog is traveling away from the Marine...where you would expect the squeal to get more distant.
The damage, IMO, is not done to an animal, moreso to the rep of the Marines who are seen by the less discerning viewer to be harming animals.
Given the nature of the environment they are in, I'm sure that even Dave would agree that the last thing they need is animal cruelty charges laid at their door too.

[Stanley Burrell]

It is fake.
The dog isn't real.
Look when he holds it up to the camera at the beginning of the video, the dogs back legs are in a strange position for a dog that's being held by the scruff of the neck. The dog doesn't move position at all, throughout the time you can see it in the video.
The dog's squeals sound more like a parrot or something than a dog, and the volume of the squeals don't change despite the fact that the dog is traveling away from the Marine...where you would expect the squeal to get more distant.
The damage, IMO, is not done to an animal, moreso to the rep of the Marines who are seen by the less discerning viewer to be harming animals.
Given the nature of the environment they are in, I'm sure that even Dave would agree that the last thing they need is animal cruelty charges laid at their door too.

The question is though, if it is a U.S. Marine based at home who has a friend in the CGI department, what an ass he is making of himself and fellow marines by engaging in what may be eloquently labeled as light douchebaggery.

Xyelin..?

[sst]

It is fake.
The dog isn't real.
Look when he holds it up to the camera at the beginning of the video, the dogs back legs are in a strange position for a dog that's being held by the scruff of the neck. The dog doesn't move position at all, throughout the time you can see it in the video.
The dog's squeals sound more like a parrot or something than a dog, and the volume of the squeals don't change despite the fact that the dog is traveling away from the Marine...where you would expect the squeal to get more distant.
The damage, IMO, is not done to an animal, moreso to the rep of the Marines who are seen by the less discerning viewer to be harming animals.
Given the nature of the environment they are in, I'm sure that even Dave would agree that the last thing they need is animal cruelty charges laid at their door too.

Its rather annoying that its even a story. The nature of the environment really dosent mean much, Iraq's don't have the same affections for dogs that we do. The only people who would be outraged about this are westerners.

[Arkans]

Why is it annoying that it is a story?

Animal cruelty is a prosecutable offense and, if you haven't notice, people in the Armed Forces are heald to a higher moral standard, thus making the alleged crime news worthy for some.

Then again, it is the nature of things, let's go behead some civilians.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

Its rather annoying that its even a story. The nature of the environment really dosent mean much, Iraq's don't have the same affections for dogs that we do. The only people who would be outraged about this are westerners.

It's only a story because some dumbass decided to post it on Youtube. Vent your frustrations in that direction.
Who cares whether or not Iraqis have the same affections for animals we do, this has nothing to do with Iraqis and everything to do with your colleagues in the Marines.

[Bobmuhthol]

I love how Nieninque is a forensic analyst now.

[Nieninque]

Sorry, stepping on your toes, Alex?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Abuse of animals should result in abuse of the people who do it. Most animals can't even fight back, it's pathetic to participate in it. Even animals being slaughtered for foodstuffs deserve to be slaughtered as painlessly and quickly as possible.

Only people like Dave can't see that (in other words, retards with no moral compass).

I'm not a vegetarian, but the recent news articles of animal abuse make me seriously rethink that (except I love steaks and chicken).

[TheEschaton]

There's nothing wrong with meat as long as it is killed humanely and quickly. The vegetarians and their belief system almost strikes me as creationist: denying science (IE, that we are born meat-eaters, that our direct ancestors are omnivores) to support their ill-conceived notion that it is immoral to eat meat.

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh I'd do it more in protest of the inhumane treatment of the animals, than any other reason.

[Jenisi]

You know Dave, just because Iraqis wouldn't be upset if you throw any type of animal off a cliff and westerns do, doesn't make it moral. The guy picked up a living thing and killed it for NO REASON. He didn't eat it, he wasn't being attacked by it, it was a fucking PUPPY sitting there looking cute. I would be upset if he threw any animal off any cliff for no reason.

Regardless even if it didn't happen in hawaii and did happen in Iraq that the solider we've sent there are representatives of american culture and society which def. does not think it's okay to throw puppies off cliffs. It's also conduct unbecoming of the marine standards per the article: If the video is deemed legitimate, the lance corporal could face a charge of conduct unbecoming a Marine, Perrine said. There could be administrative action, nonjudicial punishment or a court-martial, he added.
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"It's all governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and anything from reduction in pay to reduction in rank to confinement to discharge from the Marine Corps" is possible, Perrine said. If others are involved, they too will be disciplined, he said

[BigWorm]

Its rather annoying that its even a story. The nature of the environment really dosent mean much, Iraq's don't have the same affections for dogs that we do. The only people who would be outraged about this are westerners.

This didn't happen in Iraq, it happened in Hawaii. RTFA much?

[Nieninque]

There's nothing wrong with meat as long as it is killed humanely and quickly. The vegetarians and their belief system almost strikes me as creationist: denying science (IE, that we are born meat-eaters, that our direct ancestors are omnivores) to support their ill-conceived notion that it is immoral to eat meat.

-TheE-

Who are you to dictate someone else's morals?
You are beginning to sound as bad as Querthose.

[TheEschaton]

I'm the king of the world!

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[Jenisi]

I'm the king of the world!

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041206/041206_Winslet_vmed_3p.widec.jpg

????

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

????

He's saying he's gay.

[Sean of the Thread]

It looked faked/staged to me.

At any rate you're taught 45 ways to kill a human being with the butt of a rifle but tossing a worthless puppy 45 feet is a big a deal?

To each their own.

[AnticorRifling]

What bothers me is it's "Marine does X". It's not bad enough that a dog was thrown off a cliff, real or no this is the current example, you've got to juice it up with the quantifier of Marine! Nothing grabs media attention than throwing my corps in a negavite light, it's frustrating.

[Stanley Burrell]

What bothers me is it's "Marine does X". It's not bad enough that a dog was thrown off a cliff, real or no this is the current example, you've got to juice it up with the quantifier of Marine! Nothing grabs media attention than throwing my corps in a negavite light, it's frustrating.


The question is though, if it is a U.S. Marine based at home who has a friend in the CGI department, what an ass he is making of himself and fellow marines by engaging in what may be eloquently labeled as light douchebaggery.

Xyelin..?

Word the fuck up.

Also, YOYOYOYOYOYOWORDUPANTICORZOMG :) Sup hot dog man!?

[Sean of the Thread]

What bothers me is it's "Marine does X". It's not bad enough that a dog was thrown off a cliff, real or no this is the current example, you've got to juice it up with the quantifier of Marine! Nothing grabs media attention than throwing my corps in a negavite light, it's frustrating.

That's the really sad part. You know as well as I do that there are some serious fucking retards floating around in any service.

It's like the media calling any dog mauling/attack a pitt bull attack when most likely it it's no where near the truth.

[Hulkein]

Abuse of animals should result in abuse of the people who do it. Most animals can't even fight back, it's pathetic to participate in it. Even animals being slaughtered for foodstuffs deserve to be slaughtered as painlessly and quickly as possible.

Only people like Dave can't see that (in other words, retards with no moral compass).

I'm not a vegetarian, but the recent news articles of animal abuse make me seriously rethink that (except I love steaks and chicken).

I love seeing someone who would save their pet over a human being talk about 'moral compass.' Give me a break. You're just as fucked up as someone who would abuse an animal, except in the other direction.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I love seeing someone who would save their pet over a human being talk about 'moral compass.' Give me a break. You're just as fucked up as someone who would abuse an animal, except in the other direction.

Hell yes I'd save my pet over most humans. You don't understand what I wrote though, which isn't surprising, considering it's you.

[Hulkein]

I understood exactly what you wrote. You're still a fucked up loser.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I understood exactly what you wrote. You're still a fucked up loser.

It's clear from your response you don't. Much like 95% of the posts you respond to, you only saw what you wanted to see. Don't hate because you are stupid.

[Jenisi]

I don't care if this person was a marine or not. It's still fucked up.

[Hulkein]

It's clear from your response you don't. Much like 95% of the posts you respond to, you only saw what you wanted to see.

Uhm, it's pretty simple. I'm pointing out how hypocritical it is for someone who would save an animal over a human to disparage others about others not having a moral compass.

That makes you a hypocrite. That is in addition to being a pathetic loser, of course.


Don't hate because you are stupid.

I'm not hating, and I'm not stupid. I do pity you, though.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Uhm, it's pretty simple. I'm pointing out how hypocritical it is for someone who would save an animal over a human to disparage others about others not having a moral compass.

That makes you a hypocrite. That is in addition to being a pathetic loser, of course.



I'm not hating, and I'm not stupid. I do pity you, though.

Again, you aren't reading what I wrote. This alone contradicts your claims of not being stupid.

[Hulkein]

I read what you wrote and don't disagree with it, genius.

I'm just saying you are no less fucked up than someone who would abuse an animal. You're just fucked up in a different way.

[Stanley Burrell]

Maybe he was checking to see whether or not it was an IED.

Actually, I read some article about how animals like cats and snakes were being used to conceal explosives in Iraq (like a week or two ago.)

The video is still mudderfuggin' fake, methinks.

[Parkbandit]

If a fucking idiot came into my home and killed my dog on purpose, you can guarantee that I'll be killing that stupid fuck in return.. without remorse and without hesitation.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If a fucking idiot came into my home and killed my dog on purpose, you can guarantee that I'll be killing that stupid fuck in return.. without remorse and without hesitation.

Ding ding. Winner.

[Hulkein]

If a fucking idiot came into my home and killed my dog on purpose, you can guarantee that I'll be killing that stupid fuck in return.. without remorse and without hesitation.

That's not what we're talking about.

[Hulkein]

My point very succinctly.

You accusing others of having no moral compass:

retards with no moral compass

You saying something that only a person lacking a moral compass would say:

Hell yes I'd save my pet over most humans.

That's all. I read, understood and agreed with your post. That doesn't bar me from calling you a hypocrite based on stuff you have previously posted in other threads.

[Whimsi]

This didn't happen in Iraq, it happened in Hawaii. RTFA much?

Wrong:


The Marine belongs to the 1st Battalion, 3rd Regiment based in Hawaii -- a unit that has returned from a tour in Iraq. Military officials said the video was apparently taped in the town of Haditha, Iraq. Military officials say the Marine has been pulled from training for the duration of the investigation.


http://www.komotv.com/news/16237717.html

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My point very succinctly.

You accusing others of having no moral compass:


You saying something that only a person lacking a moral compass would say:


That's all. I read, understood and agreed with your post. That doesn't bar me from calling you a hypocrite based on stuff you have previously posted in other threads.

I can see how, out of context, you might say that. But when YOU READ MY ORIGINAL FULL POST you'll see what I'm talking about. You must be a lawyer in training.

[TheEschaton]

Hulkein is indeed a law student, but you're not being very clear if that's not what you meant.

One thing that they actually do teach us is to read things very literally and use your words against you.

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hulkein is indeed a law student, but you're not being very clear if that's not what you meant.

One thing that they actually do teach us is to read things very literally and use your words against you.

-TheE-

Good enough, I'll stop the senseless arguing. Could have just said hey I'm a lawyer, throw out common sense!

If you read my post, in context with Dave's post, it makes sense. Hell, even if you just read my single post, it makes sense. Most people can see that, just the lawyers take 3 or 4 words and "use that against me".

Lets take your quote. "Hulkien is indeed a law student... teach us... to read."

See what I did there?

[sst]

This didn't happen in Iraq, it happened in Hawaii. RTFA much?

It happened in Iraq, the marine unit that is suspected to have involvement is based out of Hawaii. If your going to call somebody out for something at least make sure you're somewhat right.

[sst]

Only people like Dave can't see that (in other words, retards with no moral compass).


I just know the difference between a domesticated dog and a wild animal, it doesn't have much to do with a moral compass.

When we would roll into an objective at night in less savory parts of baghdad our snipers main job would be shooting wild dogs so they wouldn't give our position away by barking. A shot dog is a heck of a lot more quite than a barking one.

Ive also shot a fair share of dogs when eating human bodies over there.

So pretty much if its an Iraqi dog i don't give a shit, chuck a thousand of them off a cliff. If it was a domesticated dog it would be pretty fucked up.

Then again the video most likely isn't real so who gives a shit

[Nieninque]

And when people were worried that this Marine was making the military look bad, Dave pops up to save the day...

[Daniel]

Reality is a bitch huh?

[AnticorRifling]

I just know the difference between a domesticated dog and a wild animal, it doesn't have much to do with a moral compass.

When we would roll into an objective at night in less savory parts of baghdad our snipers main job would be shooting wild dogs so they wouldn't give our position away by barking. A shot dog is a heck of a lot more quite than a barking one.

Ive also shot a fair share of dogs when eating human bodies over there.

So pretty much if its an Iraqi dog i don't give a shit, chuck a thousand of them off a cliff. If it was a domesticated dog it would be pretty fucked up.

Then again the video most likely isn't real so who gives a shit

I agree that there are times when taking out animals is needed, some of your points state exactly that. However, I wouldn't throw one off a cliff, there is a big difference between a head shot and a wind up throw down a ravine. One is quick, the other not so much. Methodology and delivery of death is more of the issue here.

[Hulkein]

Not to mention that if the video is real, that marine isn't completing any objective by throwing it off. It isn't like the other examples you gave, Dave. They're not in the middle of a mission and it isn't eating a body.

[TheEschaton]

Ah, I love that the sentiment applies to dogs as well. According to Dave:

Iraqi lives < American lives

Iraqi dogs' lives < American dogs' lives

[Parkbandit]

In a time of war, I would hope ALL armed forces believed that American lives > enemy's lives.

Until your "Hug it Out" method of working out conflicts shows more promise, we'll have to use war as a last resort.

[Nieninque]

Iraqi != Enemy.

[AnticorRifling]

Please understand that Dave != the military

edit: tipos

[Nieninque]

Yeah I know.
I also come from a military family.

[Parkbandit]

Iraqi != Enemy.


Obviously, some Iraqis are our enemy. You know the ones.. they are the ones trying to kill the Americans.

[Nieninque]

Never noticed that.

But on a more serious note, even Lawschoolboy would have realised that one rates one's own life above those of ones enemies...oh wait, I was going to be more serious, wasn't I?

[Parkbandit]

Never noticed that.

But on a more serious note, even Lawschoolboy would have realised that one rates one's own life above those of ones enemies...oh wait, I was going to be more serious, wasn't I?


Hug it out bitch.