The Fat Thread

[Methais]

This thread is about obesity and how fat people effect the world.

For example, I salute Southwest Airlines with their fat passenger policy. I've been on flights before where some fat fuck had to sit next to me, and I was unable to eat my measly airline meal because the fat fuck's massive love handles kept drooping over onto my plate. Then he farted, and things got much worse, to the point of chemical warfare. Fortunately my oxygen mask dropped, and all was ok in the end.

I also salute Weird Al Yankovic for his song Fat. For those who have never heard it, it goes like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw00EUh0GT4

[Parkbandit]

Um.. maybe fat people are victims of corporate America forcing unhealthy food down their throats. McDonalds ring a bell? Ever think about that?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We should sue fat people for letting corporate America force them to eat too much.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Um.. maybe fat people are victims of corporate America forcing unhealthy food down their throats. McDonalds ring a bell? Ever think about that?

So the CEO of McDonald's goes around holding a gun to the fatty and says "Eat this crap or else"?

[Jenisi]

I don't eat McDonalds. Fuck that.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm a heft 232lbs of rock the house.

[Whimsi]

This thread is about obesity and how fat people effect the world.



I think you mean morbid obesity? You know...someone who has so many double chins they look like they are staring at you over a pile of pancakes.

[Parkbandit]

So the CEO of McDonald's goes around holding a gun to the fatty and says "Eat this crap or else"?

Well no, but they sell high calorie foods, so clearly they are at fault. Why is it always the consumers responsibility to eat what is good for them!?

[Keller]

Well no, but they sell high calorie foods, so clearly they are at fault. Why is it always the consumers responsibility to eat what is good for them!?

Not that I support faulting the fast food industry for America's obesity, but again you're arrogantly unaware of any position other than the one Rush Limbaugh taught you.

Think I'm wrong? Prove me wrong. Give me a cogent argument that fast food restaurants are at least partially responsible for American obesity. Think you can do it?

Ready, set, GOogle!

[Whimsi]

Reread his posts only imagine them in italics...

[Soulpieced]

What kind of thread is this with no pictures???

http://flipittypes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fat_people.jpg

[Kuyuk]

The fat people are bringing the end of the world.

By having the most amount of fat people in the US, we are altering the speed in which the world is spinning at a radical rate. It's not global warming folks, it's because we're spinning faster.

We're going to die because of fat people.


K.

[Soulpieced]

Also this one...

http://nawalben.canalblog.com/images/obese.jpg

[Danical]

Reread his posts only imagine them in italics...

^^^

I dunno, I thought it was fairly obvious.

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[Alfster]

I think you mean morbid obesity? You know...someone who has so many double chins they look like they are staring at you over a pile of pancakes.

Keep Ilvane out of this discussion!

[Whimsi]

I dunno, I thought it was fairly obvious.



Apparently not to the posters calling him out on his comments.

Refresher:




(I will use italics to post in sarcasm as it sometimes confuses the readers.)

[Danical]

http://www.bbwnorthwest.com/boo04/images/party8.jpg

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[Jenisi]

mmmmm french fries

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/mcdonalds.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/mcdonalds1.jpg

[Soulpieced]

http://blog.somekool.net/files/cheeseburger.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That is some pretty disgusting shit.

[Crazy Bard]

I leave em with no neck like fat guys!

[Gan]

Not that I support faulting the fast food industry for America's obesity, but again you're arrogantly unaware of any position other than the one Rush Limbaugh taught you.

Think I'm wrong? Prove me wrong. Give me a cogent argument that fast food restaurants are at least partially responsible for American obesity. Think you can do it?

Ready, set, GOogle!

LOL

wooosh!

[Methais]

http://blog.somekool.net/files/cheeseburger.jpg

This pic is dying to have his head photoshopped.

[diethx]

I think you mean morbid obesity? You know...someone who has so many double chins they look like they are staring at you over a pile of pancakes.

That imagery made me rofl so hard.


Keep Ilvane out of this discussion!

WTF now she's going to close this thread too!?!??! heh.



P.S. I love this thread.

[LMingrone]

This pic is dying to have his head photoshopped.


That kind of looks like Wesley Willis.

[Keller]

LOL

wooosh!

Irony ftl.

I understand he was being sarcastic. Does he have any other posting style?

[ViridianAsp]

I got really big a few years ago, it made me literally hurt it was so bad.

Since then I've lost a lot of weight, I'm still trying hard to keep it off, what I don't get is, how can people stay that big?

It seriously hurt physically to be that large. So I don't get how people won't do anything about it.

[Sylvan Dreams]

I got really big a few years ago, it made me literally hurt it was so bad.

Since then I've lost a lot of weight, I'm still trying hard to keep it off, what I don't get is, how can people stay that big?

It seriously hurt physically to be that large. So I don't get how people won't do anything about it.

It's not hard to be fat, really, especially once you just give up or stop caring. It's a lot easier to down a box of Oreos than it is to make yourself go to a cardio salsa class.

A few years ago, I was on the huge side myself, and it was really easy to stay that way. While being thin does come with its own problems, I'd rather have those problems than the ones that come from being fat.

[Jenisi]

Big women can be sexy too.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/sexy1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/pinkberries17/sexy.jpg

[Danical]

A few years ago, I was on the huge side myself, and it was really easy to stay that way. While being thin does come with its own problems, I'd rather have those problems than the ones that come from being fat.

I'm sorry, what exactly are the problems with being thin?

[Danical]

I wondered when the BBW pics would start flooding this thread.

[diethx]

I'm sorry, what exactly are the problems with being thin?

Well as a female, you often have to be wary of drinks from men you don't know.

Oh and edit: Die Jenisi. Die.

[Methais]

Well as a male, you often have to be wary of drinks from fat women you don't know.

Fixed.

[Jenisi]

Well as a female, you often have to be wary of drinks from men you don't know.

Oh and edit: Die Jenisi. Die.

lol brielus

[Parkbandit]

^^^

I dunno, I thought it was fairly obvious.


It was obvious to about 98% of the forum readers... even most of the really dumb ones.

I can't dumb it down anymore for the other 2%

[Sylvan Dreams]

I'm sorry, what exactly are the problems with being thin?

I can't buy clothes in most women's sections, because they're all too big. I can, however, wear a boy's size 14, however, they're boys clothes. They're not exactly cute.

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate.

People constantly ask me if I've eaten yet at parties, even if I have a plate of food on my lap.

People feel the need to tell me that they think I'm too thin, even though I have the inklings of a six-pack and other muscle tone and have a healthy BMI and weight.

People feel the need to "show concern" and ask me if I have an eating disorder or some emotional problem that causes me not to eat. Nevermind that I show no symptoms of it.

People try to "be helpful" and inform me about what they think I should and should not be consuming or supplementing my diet with.

[Necromancer]

A significant part of the problem is the misinformation out there regarding basic nutrition. People think that it's just McDonald's (and other popular scapegoats) that contributes to obesity in the US, or the ever popular "they don't exercise enough!" (newsflash kids: middle-class white men and women never exercised, and they've seen some substantial gains in obesity rates in the last several decades- middle-class white women in particular).

It comes down to the insane chemicals that are put in our food, for one. Two of the most common side-effects of chemical additives to food in the US are: increased fat cell production and hunger. When your body has to deal with chemicals that are toxic and it cannot expel, it creates fat cells to store it safely. Thus why so-called junk food causes such problems. But chemical additives are standard fare in virtually all of our food these days- causing substantial fat increases.

The reduction of fruit and vegetables in diet- and consequently the reduction of fiber intake- is also a huge problem. It's a very significant cause of weight gain- it makes it difficult for your body to expel all of its waste, and it ends up building up as...that's right: fat cells.

And the biggest problem? Meat and dairy intake. Virtually all of your 'bad' fats come from meat and dairy. As national intake of these food products increases, so too do rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Whatever ridiculous 'cave man' stories we've all fed ourselves (pun intended) about meat eating and the natural state of human diet is insane BS. Though Westerners have been eating meat for some time, it was, up until post-WW II a once a week or, at most, once a day thing. It's only in the past few decades in the US in particular that the notion of meat at every meal came about. THAT'S why so many people are obese. Your body can't digest meat properly in its natural state, and when you add in the insane (and illegal in many countries that aren't the old US of A) amounts of hormones and other toxins added into our meat you end up with: fat America!

But of course, that's the reality that people want to accept the least. Far easier to point fingers at everyone who is overweight and claim they're just gorging on McDonald's and strangers to the gym than to realize that most of them aren't. It's that pot roast every night, and the "Milk, it does a body good!" bullshit they've been consuming physically and psychically. The US and WHO have done their studies, and it's conclusive: the biggest source of weight gain in industrialized (and many underdeveloped nations as well now sadly) is meat and dairy.

So if you're pushing meat and dairy in the daily diet, you're as much to blame as anyone else. Accept it and either change some things or just move on.

[Methais]

I can't buy clothes in most women's sections, because they're all too big. I can, however, wear a boy's size 14, however, they're boys clothes. They're not exactly cute.

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate.

People constantly ask me if I've eaten yet at parties, even if I have a plate of food on my lap.

People feel the need to tell me that they think I'm too thin, even though I have the inklings of a six-pack and other muscle tone and have a healthy BMI and weight.

People feel the need to "show concern" and ask me if I have an eating disorder or some emotional problem that causes me not to eat. Nevermind that I show no symptoms of it.

People try to "be helpful" and inform me about what they think I should and should not be consuming or supplementing my diet with.

Get a bigger skeleton.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Get a bigger skeleton.

....but then I'd be "big boned"!

[Drisco]

I'm throwing up everywhere.....

[Danical]

I can't buy clothes in most women's sections, because they're all too big. I can, however, wear a boy's size 14, however, they're boys clothes. They're not exactly cute.

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate.

People constantly ask me if I've eaten yet at parties, even if I have a plate of food on my lap.

People feel the need to tell me that they think I'm too thin, even though I have the inklings of a six-pack and other muscle tone and have a healthy BMI and weight.

People feel the need to "show concern" and ask me if I have an eating disorder or some emotional problem that causes me not to eat. Nevermind that I show no symptoms of it.

People try to "be helpful" and inform me about what they think I should and should not be consuming or supplementing my diet with.

They wouldn't be saying that if you weren't continually throwing up in public.

lol @ not finding clothing that fits you. Are you a size 2 shopping at Lane Bryant? Srsly, there's a billion boutiques out there for emaciated women.

At any rate, kudos for the weight loss.

[diethx]

lol @ not finding clothing that fits you. Are you a size 2 shopping at Lane Bryant? Srsly, there's a billion boutiques out there for emaciated women.

No joke. Clothes are designed for emaciated women. Where the fuck are you trying to shop?

[Methais]

....but then I'd be "big boned"!

Apparently you're small boned right now. You want to be medium boned. Like the porridge Goldilocks ate, but without the bones.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

I'm throwing up everywhere.....

Sylvan Dreams taught you well.

[kheldarin]

I'm hungreh.

[Daniel]

A significant part of the problem is the misinformation out there regarding basic nutrition. People think that it's just McDonald's (and other popular scapegoats) that contributes to obesity in the US, or the ever popular "they don't exercise enough!" (newsflash kids: middle-class white men and women never exercised, and they've seen some substantial gains in obesity rates in the last several decades- middle-class white women in particular).

It comes down to the insane chemicals that are put in our food, for one. Two of the most common side-effects of chemical additives to food in the US are: increased fat cell production and hunger. When your body has to deal with chemicals that are toxic and it cannot expel, it creates fat cells to store it safely. Thus why so-called junk food causes such problems. But chemical additives are standard fare in virtually all of our food these days- causing substantial fat increases.

The reduction of fruit and vegetables in diet- and consequently the reduction of fiber intake- is also a huge problem. It's a very significant cause of weight gain- it makes it difficult for your body to expel all of its waste, and it ends up building up as...that's right: fat cells.

And the biggest problem? Meat and dairy intake. Virtually all of your 'bad' fats come from meat and dairy. As national intake of these food products increases, so too do rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Whatever ridiculous 'cave man' stories we've all fed ourselves (pun intended) about meat eating and the natural state of human diet is insane BS. Though Westerners have been eating meat for some time, it was, up until post-WW II a once a week or, at most, once a day thing. It's only in the past few decades in the US in particular that the notion of meat at every meal came about. THAT'S why so many people are obese. Your body can't digest meat properly in its natural state, and when you add in the insane (and illegal in many countries that aren't the old US of A) amounts of hormones and other toxins added into our meat you end up with: fat America!

But of course, that's the reality that people want to accept the least. Far easier to point fingers at everyone who is overweight and claim they're just gorging on McDonald's and strangers to the gym than to realize that most of them aren't. It's that pot roast every night, and the "Milk, it does a body good!" bullshit they've been consuming physically and psychically. The US and WHO have done their studies, and it's conclusive: the biggest source of weight gain in industrialized (and many underdeveloped nations as well now sadly) is meat and dairy.

So if you're pushing meat and dairy in the daily diet, you're as much to blame as anyone else. Accept it and either change some things or just move on.


So, there has been no change in lifestyle from WWII and now? Specifically in regards to how active\lazy we are?

[sst]

Also if meat eating is such a problem why is the atkins diet effective?

[Gan]

Big women can be sexy too.
:spaz: :puke: :hitwithrock:


I can't buy clothes in most women's sections, because they're all too big. I can, however, wear a boy's size 14, however, they're boys clothes. They're not exactly cute.

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate.

People constantly ask me if I've eaten yet at parties, even if I have a plate of food on my lap.

People feel the need to tell me that they think I'm too thin, even though I have the inklings of a six-pack and other muscle tone and have a healthy BMI and weight.

People feel the need to "show concern" and ask me if I have an eating disorder or some emotional problem that causes me not to eat. Nevermind that I show no symptoms of it.

People try to "be helpful" and inform me about what they think I should and should not be consuming or supplementing my diet with.
Skinny women are persecuted by large women almost daily when they are in the same area of a restaurant, health club, etc. My wife goes through the same shit as you described daily.


blah blah meat is bad, dairy is bad, blah blah...
Vegetarian/Vegan ALERT.


....but then I'd be "big boned"!
I'm sure there are a few guys who can help you with that... :whistle:


No joke. Clothes are designed for emaciated women. Where the fuck are you trying to shop?
AMEN - Just hit any mall in America.

[Daniel]

Fat women are a universal menace

[Ilvane]

Yet another sad, pathetic thread.

:yawn:

I could go on about how stupid people are for being nasty to fat people, but I used to be one and I understand how different people act towards you, even if you just lose a little.

It's a sad state in the world. I have never looked a skinny or fat person and judged them.

It's fine with me being different, though.:P

[RichardCranium]

Thanks for contributing. Or is it perpetuating? One of these two.

[Hulkein]

And the biggest problem? Meat and dairy intake. Virtually all of your 'bad' fats come from meat and dairy. As national intake of these food products increases, so too do rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Whatever ridiculous 'cave man' stories we've all fed ourselves (pun intended) about meat eating and the natural state of human diet is insane BS. Though Westerners have been eating meat for some time, it was, up until post-WW II a once a week or, at most, once a day thing. It's only in the past few decades in the US in particular that the notion of meat at every meal came about. THAT'S why so many people are obese. Your body can't digest meat properly in its natural state, and when you add in the insane (and illegal in many countries that aren't the old US of A) amounts of hormones and other toxins added into our meat you end up with: fat America!

Why is it, then, that almost every athlete/weight lifter eats a lot of meat every day to get their ideal protein intake and they don't see it in fat cell storage?

[Skeeter]

Because Necromancer is completely full of shit. Dairy actually helps break down fat cells.

[Blushy]

A significant part of the problem is the misinformation out there regarding basic nutrition. People think that it's just McDonald's (and other popular scapegoats) that contributes to obesity in the US, or the ever popular "they don't exercise enough!" (newsflash kids: middle-class white men and women never exercised, and they've seen some substantial gains in obesity rates in the last several decades- middle-class white women in particular).

It comes down to the insane chemicals that are put in our food, for one. Two of the most common side-effects of chemical additives to food in the US are: increased fat cell production and hunger. When your body has to deal with chemicals that are toxic and it cannot expel, it creates fat cells to store it safely. Thus why so-called junk food causes such problems. But chemical additives are standard fare in virtually all of our food these days- causing substantial fat increases.

The reduction of fruit and vegetables in diet- and consequently the reduction of fiber intake- is also a huge problem. It's a very significant cause of weight gain- it makes it difficult for your body to expel all of its waste, and it ends up building up as...that's right: fat cells.

And the biggest problem? Meat and dairy intake. Virtually all of your 'bad' fats come from meat and dairy. As national intake of these food products increases, so too do rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Whatever ridiculous 'cave man' stories we've all fed ourselves (pun intended) about meat eating and the natural state of human diet is insane BS. Though Westerners have been eating meat for some time, it was, up until post-WW II a once a week or, at most, once a day thing. It's only in the past few decades in the US in particular that the notion of meat at every meal came about. THAT'S why so many people are obese. Your body can't digest meat properly in its natural state, and when you add in the insane (and illegal in many countries that aren't the old US of A) amounts of hormones and other toxins added into our meat you end up with: fat America!

But of course, that's the reality that people want to accept the least. Far easier to point fingers at everyone who is overweight and claim they're just gorging on McDonald's and strangers to the gym than to realize that most of them aren't. It's that pot roast every night, and the "Milk, it does a body good!" bullshit they've been consuming physically and psychically. The US and WHO have done their studies, and it's conclusive: the biggest source of weight gain in industrialized (and many underdeveloped nations as well now sadly) is meat and dairy.

So if you're pushing meat and dairy in the daily diet, you're as much to blame as anyone else. Accept it and either change some things or just move on.

Another problem is that food is generally thought of, by the companies that produce it, not as something that will one day be part of people's bodies, but as just another commodity. This isn't just fast food providers, but the manufacturers, growers, and suppliers of all types of food in this country. The vast majority of the results of "improvements" due to food science benefit the producers, not the consumers: increases in shelf life, yield, hardiness, appearance, etc. Better looking, longer lasting, more easily transportable food makes it easier for the companies that produce it to sell it to you, but they don't necessarily make it any better for you, and, in many cases, actually make it worse. One of the biggest culprits here is shelf life: many, many processed foods have much of their nutrient content removed from them to keep stuff from growing in them. This means that the ratio of calories to other nutrients, especially in our cheaper food, is much higher than we have evolved to handle as a habitual diet.

Furthermore, because of the nature of nutritional science, studies tend to focus on the effects of single nutrients in isolation (* see footnote). Results tend to come in the form of: XXX nutrient is good/bad for you, instead of these foods you have been eating, you should eat these other foods because they contain more/less of it. Because we evolved in the wild to have very nutritionally complex diets, this isn't always sound advice.

Take the case of margarine, for instance. For a long time margarine was promoted as a healthier alternative to butter because margarine contained fewer triglycerides, a type of cholesterol that increases the risk of heart disease when present in larger amounts in the bloodstream. Newer research has shown, however, that blood triglyceride levels are not affected so much by dietary triglyceride intake as by intake of saturated fats, and, furthermore, that margarine is much higher in trans-fatty acids than butter, making it, actually worse for you.

Another example, and this is not so much the fault of nutritional science as it is of the American public's misinterpretation of its results, is the low carb craze. The Atkins Diet works because when your carbohydrate intake drops below a certain minimum amount, your body's metabolism thinks you are starving, and starts digging into your energy reserves, regardless of how many calories are coming in other forms (protein, fat, etc.). Sure, dropping one's carbohydrate intake to virtually nil is unhealthy, but it allows an unhealthily overweight person to shed a lot of weight very quickly. If this person then resumes eating a healthy, appropriate diet, then the short term health risks are more than mitigated by the long term health benefits. The problem comes from the misconception (and it's a misconception that's been encouraged by food manufacturers eager to cash in on the low-carb bandwagon) that if a large reduction in carbohydrate intake results in a large amount of weight loss, then a moderate reduction in carbohydrate intake will result in moderate weight loss. This is not the case! You can't go on a sort-of-Atkins diet and lose a little bit of weight. The only result of this is a diet that is proportionally higher in fats and proteins, and thus unhealthier.

I would argue with Necromancer that the biggest culprit is necessarily meat and dairy intake. Sure, an increase in meat and dairy intake will result in a diet that is proportionally higher in protein and (more harmfully) saturated fats, there are plenty of other contributers that have nothing to do with meat and dairy. To name a couple:

1) The preponderance of high fructose corn syrup: This is in just about everything now, most notably in soft drinks (sodas and, worse, "energy drinks"). High fructose corn syrup is turned into glucose very quickly by your body, leading to blood sugar spikes and fluctuations (and resultant disorders like diabetes and obesity) that we never evolved to handle. High amounts of bleached, refined flour and other (non-corn syrup) refined sugars have similar dietary effects.

2) The addition of hydrogenated oils (read: saturated fats) to so many food products. Hydrogenated oils are just plain bad for you. They are a huge contributing factor for heart disease, not to mention obesity.

:soap:

Okay, I think I'm done for now.

* This isn't necessarily to say that food science is flawed as a science; the generally accepted scientific approach is to start by isolating the variable you want to study. It's just a result of the fact (which we are slowly learning) that the human metabolism is an extremely complicated thing.

[Sylvan Dreams]

They wouldn't be saying that if you weren't continually throwing up in public.

lol @ not finding clothing that fits you. Are you a size 2 shopping at Lane Bryant? Srsly, there's a billion boutiques out there for emaciated women.

At any rate, kudos for the weight loss.

I'm not emaciated. It's comments like that that I was mentioning.

For a size reference, I can wear sweat pants underneath women's size 0 jeans from Old Navy.

[Blushy]

Why is it, then, that almost every athlete/weight lifter eats a lot of meat every day to get their ideal protein intake and they don't see it in fat cell storage?

While I don't think every part of Necromancer's explanation is accurate, people who are regularly, actively performing muscle building require a slightly greater protein intake than the average schmoe. Excess protein still gets turned into fat.

[Warriorbird]

My sister has similar issues with jeans, Sylvan Dreams. She gets some success with the size 0 stuff at American Eagle.

Partially hydrogenated soybean oil, lard, and high fructose corn syrup are far worse culprits than meat itself will ever be.

[Clove]

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate...

Welcome to the down-side of our society. The right to free speech is taken for granted such that more and more people don't bother to ask themselves "should I say this?"

Our grandparents called this self-censoring "manners".

Thin people face a lot of rude crap from others- without a doubt. But it's my personal opinion that overweight to morbidly overweight people get much worse treatment.

[LMingrone]

Be born with thin genes.

My mother eats more than anyone I've ever known. She tries to gain weight and can't. She's never weighed over 100lbs, and celebrates if she can gain a pound.

Same with me. I've never variated more than a pound or two from 175, and I eat and drink WAY too much. I'm looking forward to diabetes and a wrecked liver.


Edit: And by eating and drinking I mean fast food and a bottle of Bacardi Gold every day.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Be born with thin genes.

My mother eats more than anyone I've ever known. She tries to gain weight and can't. She's never weighed over 100lbs, and celebrates if she can gain a pound.

Same with me. I've never variated more than a pound or two from 175, and I eat and drink WAY too much. I'm looking forward to diabetes and a wrecked liver.

I definitely was not born with thin genes, but I do have a small frame. I'm MAYBE 5'4" and there's no other way to describe it, but I'm little. I have a 5 1/2 inch wrist.

When I was at my biggest, I was 210. Wow, did people treat me differently then versus now. When I was fat, I was more or less just ignored. Now, I get a lot more attention, but most of it is negative. Fortunately, a few sharp remarks in return solve the problem nicely. I may be a bad person for doing it, but when a fat lady said "That's IT?" and pointed to my plate, I asked her if she was taking home food for her family and pointed at hers.

Sadly, I cannot blame McDonald's or the evil corporations for my then-fatness. I ate too much and sat around too much.

Okay, I will put a tiny bit of blame on my job for having this vending machine with the most amazing ice cream bars in it right outside the women's bathroom, and for having this amazing made-to-order hotbar (like a pizza bar, burger bar, pasta bar) along with made-to-order omelettes. Why couldn't they have mediocre bordering on nasty food like everywhere else?!

[Allereli]

I'm not emaciated. It's comments like that that I was mentioning.

For a size reference, I can wear sweat pants underneath women's size 0 jeans from Old Navy.

gap/old navy/banana republic (all owned by Gap) fits are notoriously big for their number. shop around at places like Guess, White House Black Market, Levis, H&M, Forever XXI, maybe Abercrombie, although I refuse to go in there because the perfume smell in every one of their stores makes me want to gag, then pass out.

My diet recommendations: lots of fat-free, low-cal yogurt mixed with fruit (frozen or fresh) and a little cereal. Fish, chicken breast, veggie burgers, or if you must eat red meat, ostrich or buffalo. Almond milk for cereal instead of regular milk (40 calorie per 8 oz serving sold at Trader Joes). Lots of eggs, but use Egg Beaters or something similar, cartoned egg whites are great. Make omelets with fresh veggies, adding low fat cheese is fine. Use pita bread instead of regular bread, or buy the light Pepperidge Farm bread that's only 45 calories a slice. Replace stick butter with no calorie spray butter. Occasional pasta is fine, use whole wheat with marinara, or individual packages of mac and cheese. Salads of course if they fill you up, dressing on the side, or fat free with a mix of vegetables. A caesar salad is worthless both nutritionally and dietary-wise. Soups are good, too. Also, eat a tiny bit of something you love every day. I eat ice cream.

[Sylvan Dreams]

gap/old navy/banana republic (all owned by Gap) fits are notoriously big for their number. shop around at places like Guess, White House Black Market, Levis, H&M, Forever XXI, maybe Abercrombie, although I refuse to go in there because the perfume smell in every one of their stores makes me want to gag, then pass out.

My diet recommendations: lots of fat-free, low-cal yogurt mixed with fruit (frozen or fresh) and a little cereal. Fish, chicken breast, veggie burgers, or if you must eat red meat, ostrich or buffalo. Almond milk for cereal instead of regular milk (40 calorie per 8 oz serving sold at Trader Joes). Lots of eggs, but use Egg Beaters or something similar, cartoned egg whites are great. Make omelets with fresh veggies, adding low fat cheese is fine. Use pita bread instead of regular bread, or buy the light Pepperidge Farm bread that's only 45 calories a slice. Replace stick butter with no calorie spray butter. Occasional pasta is fine, use whole wheat with marinara, or individual packages of mac and cheese. Salads of course if they fill you up, dressing on the side, or fat free with a mix of vegetables. A caesar salad is worthless both nutritionally and dietary-wise. Soups are good, too. Also, eat a tiny bit of something you love every day. I eat ice cream.


See what I mean about the diet recommendations?

I wouldn't eat most of that stuff you mentioned, either. Nasty.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah that's some nasty stuff.

I hear fat people shit less than normal sized people.

[Stanley Burrell]

http://flipittypes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fat_people.jpg

The midget is lacking exceptionally. Since he is the only one able to see his own genitalia. He gets extra credit for midgetry, tho.

Aside from that, rice cracker Soulpieced and my humble self are the longest withstanding avatar...

...That's right: I just violated your e-persona.

[diethx]

Yeah that's some nasty stuff.

I hear fat people shit less than normal sized people.

Why would they shit less if they eat more?

[Danical]

I bought this book when I was bulking up.

http://www.gourmetnutrition.com/

It's fucking fantastic.

[Necromancer]

Why is it, then, that almost every athlete/weight lifter eats a lot of meat every day to get their ideal protein intake and they don't see it in fat cell storage?

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

And actually Atkins works through dehydration. The increase in meat consumption means an increase in nitrogen- toxic to the body. Your body responds by urinating out the nitrogen. Your body ends up losing a lot of water weight very quickly to detoxify from the meat, resulting in the rapid weight loss that Atkins is notorious for.

And to the raging idiot who stated that dairy helps break down fat and therefore doesn't contribute to fat gain: milk is designed to support a cow through the biggest growth of its entire life. It is incredibly fattening by design. Please read a book some time.

[Stanley Burrell]

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

And actually Atkins works through dehydration. The increase in meat consumption means an increase in nitrogen- toxic to the body. Your body responds by urinating out the nitrogen. Your body ends up losing a lot of water weight very quickly to detoxify from the meat, resulting in the rapid weight loss that Atkins is notorious for.

And to the raging idiot who stated that dairy helps break down fat and therefore doesn't contribute to fat gain: milk is designed to support a cow through the biggest growth of its entire life. It is incredibly fattening by design. Please read a book some time.

I basically drink high dairy mixed with my cracked out coffee and/or tea every day, hit the treadmill, take an AWESOME shit, and maintain a good BP. I have no family history of heart or blood pressure-related issues either... ...But, no soft cheeses, just a 1:1 milk ratio in my morning crack-in-a-ceramic mug. I take two chewable Centrum vitamins.

I do compulsive arm curls and finger exercises with 40kgs and a polished boding loadstone (it makes blood circulate to your fingers like what, and awesome-izes your WPM. I swear by it.)

When I get > 150, I tune my reps down and find time in my week to do basic Yoga stretches. What's interesting (sliding filament theory) is when you have a shit-ton of lactic acid build-up because you're NOT doing stretching exercises, and then hit the weights and ONLY the weights, you actually build (targeted) body muscle faster, because circulation at that point is extremely pinpointed.

It's slightly mentally retard that there exists a breed of steroid smokers who are ripped enough to flex a gun the size of their fat heads, yet catch a heart attack if they try doing 1.0 on a 10.0 incline for more than 5 minutes.

[Skeeter]

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

And actually Atkins works through dehydration. The increase in meat consumption means an increase in nitrogen- toxic to the body. Your body responds by urinating out the nitrogen. Your body ends up losing a lot of water weight very quickly to detoxify from the meat, resulting in the rapid weight loss that Atkins is notorious for.

And to the raging idiot who stated that dairy helps break down fat and therefore doesn't contribute to fat gain: milk is designed to support a cow through the biggest growth of its entire life. It is incredibly fattening by design. Please read a book some time.

took me 5 seconds to find an article to back me up.

http://www.active.com/nutrition/Articles/Don_t_dump_dairy__Yogurt_may_promote_fat_loss.htm

International Journal of Obesity
HealthNewsDigest.com

While some calorie-conscious people may drop dairy products when they're dieting, a new study suggests this strategy could backfire. The study to be published in the upcoming April issue of the International Journal of Obesity reveals that yogurt may help turn up the body's fat-burning ability, making it easier to lose fat while maintaining lean muscle.

The study submitted by lead researcher Michael Zemel, Ph.D., professor of nutrition at the University of Tennessee, found that individuals who included Yoplait Light as part of their weight loss plan lost significantly more weight compared to others who simply reduced calories. The yogurt eaters lost 22 percent more weight and an average of 14 pounds, 66 percent more body fat and 81 percent more trunkal (stomach) fat during the 12-week study.

The results are impressive, according to an editorial discussing the newly published study in the same issue. The editorial goes on to say that this research is important because losing fat while protect[ing] lean body mass is essential for the development of appropriate dietary recommendations.

Zemel and colleagues at the University of Tennessee studied the impact of adding yogurt to a reduced-calorie diet on 34 healthy obese adults who were randomly assigned to one of two diet groups.

The Yoplait Light group consumed about 1,100 mg of calcium each day, which included three servings of Yoplait Light yogurt. The control group consumed a low calcium diet with only one serving of dairy per day, a reflection of the typical American diet, which is chronically low in calcium. In fact, more than 85 percent of people in the United States do NOT eat the minimum recommended three servings of dairy foods per day.

Furthermore, dieters could be undermining their efforts to lose weight since an estimated 66 percent of dieters in the U.S. cut back on dairy foods such as yogurt, milk and cheese.

All subjects in the study received an individualized diet plan that provided 500 fewer calories than their usual daily intake. Body weight and blood pressure were recorded weekly, and total body composition was assessed before and after the 12-week intervention by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA).

Not only did yogurt help the study participants lose more weight the average weight loss was 14 pounds they were about twice as effective at maintaining lean muscle mass, Zemel said. This is a critical issue when dieting -- you want to lose fat, not muscle. Muscle helps burn calories, but it is often compromised during weight loss.

Losing where it counts

The participants who included yogurt in their diets also lost 81 percent more fat in the stomach area, which is the most dangerous type of fat. Apple-shaped obese individuals who carry extra fat around their middle section are at an increased risk of heart disease, diabetes, stroke and some types of cancer.

The calcium-rich diet helped the participants lose more than an inch around their waist. This represented about a six-fold greater decrease in waist circumference.

Successful weight maintenance involves small lifestyle changes that can be easily done on a daily basis, said Dr. James Hill of the University of Colorado, who is the lead researcher for the National Weight Control Registry and author of the recently published The Step Diet Book. The science connecting yogurt and weight loss is very encouraging, and what could be easier than including yogurt in your daily routine?

Evidence is mounting

Zemel has been a pioneer in this emerging area of research examining the relationship between calcium and weight management. He was the first to discover that small changes in the calcium levels of fat cells alter signals within the cell that control the production and breakdown of fat. Getting enough calcium in your diet seems to trigger the body to burn more fat and reduces the amount of new fat the body makes.

His previous studies have found that in a reduced-calorie diet, as calcium intake goes up, weight and body fat go down. A diet low in calcium appears to stimulate the production of fat-producing enzymes and decreases the activity of enzymes that break down fat, Zemel said.

The moral of the calcium story is to not dump dairy when you're dieting, Zemel said. Not only is it critical to keep your calcium levels high so you wont lose bone density, it will also help you maintain your muscle mass and increase your fat loss. A diet rich in low fat dairy foods, like yogurt, can help make your weight lost efforts easier.

Zemel recommends three servings of dairy foods a day, particularly fat free and low fat choices.

Dairy (yogurt) augmentation of total and central fat loss in obese subjects. Zemel MB, Richards JD, Mathis S, Milstead AM, Gebhardt LP, Silva E. The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN 37996-1920.



You clearly know dick about nutrition. go spout your vegan bullshit somewhere else.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Now . . .

Is it because of the magical powers of yogurt, or because they didn't eat a bag of chips and had yogurt instead?

[Stanley Burrell]

Word. Yogurt's got a lot of good bacteria in it too. Any time your body spends ATP to break down lactose is = work, too. Just don't dehydrate yourself, you aren't assembling B-galactosidase: We don't work *that* catalytically quick on dairy. And some folks can't handle dairy or have milk allergies to begin with (fucked up shit by the way. Ever see someone drop down into anaphylaxis within about 2 minutes of drinking 1%? Crazy shit.)

[Back]

Cocaine + Red Bull + Vodka + Tic Tacs = Supermodel diet.

I have a friend who recently lost a ton of weight. When he was heavy, he had the worst diet but it was coupled with an oddly obsessive eating ritual... he only ate items in even numbers. Never odd. He would carefully eat his meat and cheese only burgers/sandwiches taking bites in a rotating spiral until he got to the heart. He would line up his Hershy's kisses often numbering twelve. Amongst other things.

Now his diet has gone completely the other way but still retains his obsessive habits. He has a strict regiment every day to the hour in what he eats. Protein shake for breakfast, power bar at 10am, half of a salad and half his ground turkey or beef with tomato sauce at lunch, the other half at 4pm, chicken or some other meat at dinner, shake before bed. He does this 6 days a week and on day 7 he eats what ever he wants. For example, when we met for dinner he had crab chowder and a double cheeseburger with three kinds of cheeses and fries.

Its impressive how he turned his food obsession around and lost so much weight. His head is even thinner.

[Necromancer]

Exactly. By the way, the lead researcher receives funding from the Dairy Industry and has made himself an outspoken opinionator of dairy in the popular press on their behalf. Hrm....


Study: More Milk Means More Weight Gain

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; Page A03

Children who drink more than three servings of milk each day are prone to becoming overweight, according to a large new study that undermines a heavily advertised dairy industry claim that milk helps people lose weight.

The study of more than 12,000 children nationwide found that the more milk they drank, the more weight they gained: Those consuming more than three servings each day were about 35 percent more likely to become overweight than those who drank one or two.



The National Dairy Council claims drinking milk helps people lose weight. (By Tracy A. Woodward -- The Washington Post)

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"The take-home message is that children should not be drinking milk as a means of losing weight or trying to control weight," said Catherine S. Berkey of Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, who led the study, the largest to examine the question in children.

The National Dairy Council has spent $200 million since 2003 to promote the idea that milk can help people lose weight. Some research has suggested that calcium or other elements in milk may cause the body to make less fat and speed its elimination, but the studies produced mixed results.

"I went into this project expecting that drinking milk would have some weight benefit for children. So I was surprised when it turned out the way it did," said Berkey, whose findings are being published in the June issue of the journal Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine. "The studies are all over the place, but the dairy industry tells children and adults, 'Drink more milk and you will lose weight.' I think that's misleading."

The dairy industry disputed the idea that the new study challenges its ads, saying it had said only that adults may be able to lose more weight if they drink milk while cutting calories.

"Our message has always been very conservative -- that three servings a day as part of a reduced-calorie diet may help promote weight loss," said Isabel Maples, a dietician speaking for the council. "Most children don't even get one serving a day" of milk.

Based on the findings, Berkey and her colleagues said children should follow federal recommendations to consume two to three servings of dairy a day, no more.

The study comes amid intense concern about the growing problem of obesity among children. The percentage of young people who are overweight has more than tripled since 1980. Public health experts have been particularly concerned that drinking soda contributes to weight problems, leading some parents to try to get their kids to drink more milk instead.

The researchers analyzed whether the children would have been better off if they replaced the soda they were drinking with milk but found no benefit.

"Our findings do not suggest that if children replace beverages sweetened with sugar with milk they would reduce their body weight," Berkey said.

For the study, Berkey and her colleagues analyzed data collected from about 12,829 children from all 50 states who were ages 9 to 14 in 1996, when they began participating in the Growing Up Today Study, an ongoing project examining the relationship between diet, exercise and a host of health issues.

The researchers examined the relationship between the children's milk intake between 1996 and 1999 and their weight over a one-year period. Those who drank more than three eight-ounce servings of milk a day gained the most weight, even after the researchers took into consideration factors such as physical activity, other dietary factors and growth. The association held, even though most of the children were drinking low-fat milk.

"That was surprising," Berkey said. "Apparently this applies to any kind of milk."

Several researchers agreed that the findings undercut the idea that milk promotes weight loss.

"There's been a lot of talk recently that somehow calcium in dairy products improves your ability to lose weight. There's certainly no evidence of that in this study," said F. Xavier Pi-Sunyer, a Columbia University obesity researcher.

Others, however, said a growing body of evidence supports the idea.

"There are a number of studies that show a positive effect of milk," said Michael B. Zemel of the University of Tennessee, who receives some funding from the dairy industry. "Increasing dairy augments the effects of cutting calories."

[Stanley Burrell]

I stand by using a polished loadstone/boding stone for finger strength + circulation, even though it does kind of look like a ginormous white dildo with AzN lettering on it. You almost "realize" your fingers after the first few times you heft it up. WPM = Troo/tru/true/yes.

That is all.

[Some Rogue]

Basically on any diet you will lose water weight, especially initially. It has nothing to do with eating so much meat. When you reduce calories and carbs, your body starts burning glycogen. When glycogen metabolizes it produces carbon dioxide and water.


Just one of several articles I found:

Due to the restriction of carbohydrates, the Atkins Diet depletes glycogen stores (glycogen is the form in which the body stores carbohydrate in muscle). Since each gram of glycogen is hydrated with 2-3 grams of water, when glycogen stores are used, this water is liberated and sent to the kidneys for excretion, so dieters experience rapid water loss.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Cocaine + Red Bull + Vodka + Tic Tacs = Supermodel diet.

I have a friend who recently lost a ton of weight. When he was heavy, he had the worst diet but it was coupled with an oddly obsessive eating ritual... he only ate items in even numbers. Never odd. He would carefully eat his meat and cheese only burgers/sandwiches taking bites in a rotating spiral until he got to the heart. He would line up his Hershy's kisses often numbering twelve. Amongst other things.

Now his diet has gone completely the other way but still retains his obsessive habits. He has a strict regiment every day to the hour in what he eats. Protein shake for breakfast, power bar at 10am, half of a salad and half his ground turkey or beef with tomato sauce at lunch, the other half at 4pm, chicken or some other meat at dinner, shake before bed. He does this 6 days a week and on day 7 he eats what ever he wants. For example, when we met for dinner he had crab chowder and a double cheeseburger with three kinds of cheeses and fries.

Its impressive how he turned his food obsession around and lost so much weight. His head is even thinner.

That sounds like OCD, not a food obsession.

[Necromancer]

http://www.pcrm.org/news/release070511.html

Also a good one on dairy. And it addresses Zemel's research, the lead researcher quoted in Skeeter's, AKA "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but google is fun" man, article.

Atkins absolutely plays on glycogen stores, but it's the dehydration from nitrogen expulsion that causes the rapid initial weight loss. That's also why kidney problems are associated with the diet. The kydneys have to do the work of expelling the nitrogen.

[Some Rogue]

Show me the link to your PETA website with that info.

Also, explain why it happens with most diets.

[Danical]

This thread is fucking failing right now . . . :(

[Necromancer]

Excuse me? Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine isn't PETA. Not that it's somehow impossible for PETA to say anything correct just because they're against animal abuse. I know it's insane, but you know some people are against meat consumption *because* of the facts, as opposed to being for it despite them.

And look it up yourself if you're skeptical and want to know otherwise.

[Blushy]

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

And actually Atkins works through dehydration. The increase in meat consumption means an increase in nitrogen- toxic to the body. Your body responds by urinating out the nitrogen. Your body ends up losing a lot of water weight very quickly to detoxify from the meat, resulting in the rapid weight loss that Atkins is notorious for.

This is untrue. While dietary changes can certainly cause an increase in urination or a change in hydration for other reasons (and thus a change in body weight), nitrogen is not "toxic to the body"; it's a required ingredient in amino acids (as well as, you know, the most abundant element in our atmosphere). Certainly, as with just about anything else, excessive intake of it can be toxic, but nitrogen is generally necessary for the body.

Meat is also, in and of itself, not toxic to the body; we evolved to eat small quantities of it to supplement our diets. Eating a diet consisting of largely meat is bad for you.

The Atkins diet works by tricking the body into ketosis (the use of fat instead of sugar as the primary cellular energy source). This is bad for you, but in the short term may not be as bad for you as being extremely overweight can be for you in the long term.


And to the raging idiot who stated that dairy helps break down fat and therefore doesn't contribute to fat gain: milk is designed to support a cow through the biggest growth of its entire life. It is incredibly fattening by design. Please read a book some time.


Article from the International Journal of Obesity

Just because milk contains a lot of fat doesn't mean that it is automatically any more fattening than any other source of an equivalent number of calories. Yogurt is a low fat dairy food, and the calcium and enzymes it contains are apparently helpful for breaking down fat that has already been formed in the body.

The fact that milk is high in fat and calories is not necessarily incompatible with the fact that yogurt consumption may, in some instances, help contribute to weigh loss.

[Necromancer]

Nitrogen in excess IS toxic to the body, hence its rapid removal when we've got too much. Likewise, Vitamin A is necessary for the body, but it'll kill you in high quantities. Though yes, I should have been more specific about the quantity issue.

And in terms of yogurt versus other dairy products: it's a bit misleading to use it as representative. The enzymes that appear to be beneficial come from the bacterial used to culture yogurt specifically, they're not inherent in the dairy. Thus the diary is still problematic, but the enzymes produced by the bacteria used to turn dairy into yogurt are helping to offset the negative aspects of dairy. Those bacterial are already digesting a lot of diary for you, AND they're providing enzymes that the human body needs to digest the dairy more efficiently. That's why many lactose intolerant people can stomach yogurt with little or no trouble.

[Warriorbird]

High fructose corn syrup alone is still worse than meat.

[Necromancer]

No, it's really not. But it's still really bad for you. The biggest problem with HF Corn Syrup is the quantity we consume in the US. It makes up approximately 25% of our coloric consumption in the US.

[Warriorbird]

Throw cheese into the mix. All the fat vegetarians I know love it and it gets worse.

[Stretch]

1) Walls of text are not fun

2) Necromancer's posts are about as fun as the ones from that woman that works at Burger King (drawing a blank on the posting handle...)

3) I'm now 205 lbs, up from 156 lbs when I finished high school, so I guess I can't really cast stones at fat people.

[Hulkein]

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

Well then the solution seems to be to eat meat and not be sedentary, not eat soy and lay around on your not fat but not healthy ass.

[Necromancer]

Well then the solution seems to be to eat meat and not be sedentary, not eat soy and lay around on your not fat but not healthy ass.

If these are the options you're taking away from all of this, I feel sorry for you.

[ViridianAsp]

I can't buy clothes in most women's sections, because they're all too big. I can, however, wear a boy's size 14, however, they're boys clothes. They're not exactly cute.

People say "that's IT?!" regardless of how much food is on my plate.

People constantly ask me if I've eaten yet at parties, even if I have a plate of food on my lap.

People feel the need to tell me that they think I'm too thin, even though I have the inklings of a six-pack and other muscle tone and have a healthy BMI and weight.

People feel the need to "show concern" and ask me if I have an eating disorder or some emotional problem that causes me not to eat. Nevermind that I show no symptoms of it.

People try to "be helpful" and inform me about what they think I should and should not be consuming or supplementing my diet with.

Yeah, I'm sorry those don't sound like problems to me.

[Necromancer]

Hadya's avatar makes me laugh and reminds me of Hadya the character

[ViridianAsp]

Hadya's avatar makes me laugh and reminds me of Hadya the character


Reminds me of Hadya, too. Someone said the exact same thing when they showed it to me.

[Nieninque]

Because while a lack of exercise isn't the cause of obesity in the US, exercise IS a solution to weight gain.

A lack of exercise is part of the cause of obesity.
Exercise is part of the solution to weight gain.

[diethx]

This thread is fucking failing right now . . . :(


2) Necromancer's posts are about as fun as the ones from that woman that works at Burger King (drawing a blank on the posting handle...)

Seriously :(

Necromancer, please take your lame-ass diet of soy and penis somewhere else and stop shitting on this previously awesome thread.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Vinh is a fatty at 205.

[Nieninque]

Seriously :(

Necromancer, please take your lame-ass diet of soy and penis somewhere else and stop shitting on this previously awesome thread.

This thread was only ever a parody, given the fact that it was posted by an American and all Americans are fat.

[Hulkein]

If these are the options you're taking away from all of this, I feel sorry for you.

I enjoy good food, not plants and legumes. Therefore I'll choose to eat meat and exercise and I'll be as healthy as any vegetarian and look better.

[diethx]

This thread was only ever a parody, given the fact that it was posted by an American and all Americans are fat.

You're just jealous because our food doesn't taste like sweaty socks.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Vegetables are evil.

Discuss.

[Nieninque]

Wouldn't know what sweaty socks taste like, so you got me there.

[Necromancer]

ROFL. I love when they get to the point where they have no choice but to accept the obvious (and perhaps, just perhaps, to stop making fun of bigger people- nice that you get your rocks off by making people feel like shit, by the way. You're a real quality human being) and instead opt for mindless insults.

Yeah man, screw legumes and everyone who eats them. AHAHAHAHA AHAHA HA HA...

*cough*loser*cough*

[Warriorbird]

Hey, whatever. You seem to freely brush aside far worse health issues for a "vegetarianism will solve everything!" screed. Chemical additives are just as bad if not worse in things that aren't meat. If I go get organic chicken from Polyface Farm I daresay I'm doing a lot better than most vegetarians.

[Nieninque]

ROFL. I love when they get to the point where they have no choice but to accept the obvious (and perhaps, just perhaps, to stop making fun of bigger people- nice that you get your rocks off by making people feel like shit, by the way. You're a real quality human being) and instead opt for mindless insults.

Yeah man, screw legumes and everyone who eats them. AHAHAHAHA AHAHA HA HA...

*cough*loser*cough*

I was vegetarian for 11 years.
I was vegan for 4 of them.
I eat fish now so don't call myself a vegetarian.
I believe I have a fair understanding of nutritional issues. Especially with regards to vegetarianism over meat-eating.
I believe quite strongly that you are a prick and people like you do more to damage the idea of vegetarianism, than McDonalds.

[Necromancer]

Hey, whatever. You seem to freely brush aside far worse health issues for a "vegetarianism will solve everything!" screed. Chemical additives are just as bad if not worse in things that aren't meat. If I go get organic chicken from Polyface Farm I daresay I'm doing a lot better than most vegetarians.

Actually, if you read my first post I pointed out that chemical additives were a huge problem.

[Hulkein]

ROFL. I love when they get to the point where they have no choice but to accept the obvious (and perhaps, just perhaps, to stop making fun of bigger people- nice that you get your rocks off by making people feel like shit, by the way. You're a real quality human being) and instead opt for mindless insults.

Is this rambling even directed at me? I haven't insulted anyone for being big.


Yeah man, screw legumes and everyone who eats them. AHAHAHAHA AHAHA HA HA...

No, just screw self-righteous vegetarians. Human beings can be just as healthy eating meat.

[Methais]

Yet another sad, pathetic thread.

:yawn:

I could go on about how stupid people are for being nasty to fat people, but I used to be one and I understand how different people act towards you, even if you just lose a little.

It's a sad state in the world. I have never looked a skinny or fat person and judged them.

It's fine with me being different, though.:P

People that judge you don't do it because you're fat.


































































































They do it because you're stupid.

[Miscast]

Seriously :(

Necromancer, please take your lame-ass diet of soy and penis somewhere else and stop shitting on this previously awesome thread.

ROFL

[Whimsi]

This thread was only ever a parody, given the fact that it was posted by an American and all Americans are fat.

According to your own government Brits are fatter than americans overall: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealth/Healthimprovement/Obesity/DH_078098

Canadians are undergoing an obesity epidemic as well.

So it turns out that foreign McDonalds are our secret weapon after all!

[Allereli]

See what I mean about the diet recommendations?

I wouldn't eat most of that stuff you mentioned, either. Nasty.

well, those were for anyone who wanted to maintain some sort of healthy eating habits. but obviously since you've lost the weight you think everything revolves around you. everything I eat I think tastes great. and if you're less than a zero, gain some weight :club:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r159/amandiepandie/nicole%20richie/z64186576.jpg

[Some Rogue]

Excuse me? Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine isn't PETA. Not that it's somehow impossible for PETA to say anything correct just because they're against animal abuse. I know it's insane, but you know some people are against meat consumption *because* of the facts, as opposed to being for it despite them.

And look it up yourself if you're skeptical and want to know otherwise.

Never heard of them, so I did look up their site. Guess what I found staring me down on the front page? Articles about animal testing by the FDA, use of animals in med schools, tons of info about vegeterian diets...I could go on. It may not be PETA but they are animal rights activists just the same. http://www.pcrm.org/

I found this clip and the description especially amusing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0n1TQZbhNs


In PCRM’s first animated PSA, Mr. Banana, Ms. Broccoli, and other fruits and veggies voice their feelings of rejection because they’ve been passed over in the supermarket for less healthful food choices.

And as far as me looking up the facts, I already did which is why I wanted you to prove your point. But, you can't without pulling your info from some animal rights group's page. They couldn't possibly be biased about eating meat right???

[Necromancer]

LOL, since they work towards animal rights they clearly can't be trusted in issues regarding that which they are experts in. You're insane.

FYI PCRM is very well respected and have received NIH grants for their work. (And have taken them to Court heh)

[Danical]

YOU FUCKFACES ARE FUCKING THIS THREAD UP.




More BBW action!





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[Nieninque]

According to your own government Brits are fatter than americans overall: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealth/Healthimprovement/Obesity/DH_078098

Canadians are undergoing an obesity epidemic as well.

So it turns out that foreign McDonalds are our secret weapon after all!

a) It was sarcasm. I'm just not a fan of spelling it out using italics.
b) You posted the DoH site, everything there is dubious at best, damn lies at worst.
c) You just make yourself sounds slimmer than us by changing dress sizes (a size 12 for you is a size 14 here - so you just pretend you are skinny when you are in fact fat)
d) MuckDonalds suck.

[Some Rogue]

ROFL. I love when they get to the point where they have no choice but to accept the obvious and instead opt for mindless insults.

*cough*loser*cough*


LOL, since they work towards animal rights they clearly can't be trusted in issues regarding that which they are experts in. You're insane.


IRONY!

You can't see how they could possibly be biased? Really? Do you trust oil companies when they have their scientists say there is no problem with their pollution and global warming?

Oh, and you still haven't explained why other diets cause water loss initially too. Of course, I know you'll probably ignore this again.

[Parkbandit]

ROFL. I love when they get to the point where they have no choice but to accept the obvious (and perhaps, just perhaps, to stop making fun of bigger people- nice that you get your rocks off by making people feel like shit, by the way. You're a real quality human being) and instead opt for mindless insults.

Yeah man, screw legumes and everyone who eats them. AHAHAHAHA AHAHA HA HA...

*cough*loser*cough*

You mean mindless insults.. like calling someone a loser?

At least I didn't have to use 2 posts of yours to show you what a fucking hypocrite you are. You bundled it up in one nice post.

Thanks.

[Some Rogue]

LOL, since they work towards animal rights they clearly can't be trusted in issues regarding that which they are experts in. You're insane.

FYI PCRM is very well respected and have received NIH grants for their work. (And have taken them to Court heh)

O'rly?

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23



“Less than 5 percent of PCRM’s members are physicians,” Newsweek wrote in February 2004. The respected news magazine continued:
[PCRM president Neal] Barnard has co-signed letters, on PCRM letterhead, with the leader of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, an animal-rights group the Department of Justice calls a “domestic terrorist threat.” PCRM also has ties to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. An agency called the Foundation to Support Animal Protection has distributed money from PETA to PCRM in the past and, until very recently, did both groups’ books. Barnard and PETA head Ingrid Newkirk are both on the foundation’s board.



The American Medical Association (AMA), which actually represents the medical profession, has called PCRM a “fringe organization” that uses “unethical tactics” and is “interested in perverting medical science.”




Often appearing in a lab coat, PCRM president Neal Barnard looks the part of a mainstream health expert. But Barnard was trained as a psychiatrist, not a nutritionist. His nutritional advice boils down to one basic message: don’t eat meat, or anything that comes from animals.




People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has used a tax-exempt affiliate called the Foundation to Support Animal Protection to funnel at least $592,000 to PCRM. This foundation, whose letterhead now shows that it is doing business as “The PETA Foundation,” has the same mailing address as PETA, and PETA owns its website address. Neal Barnard and PETA co-founder Ingrid Newkirk are two of the Foundation’s three officers. Barnard is its President. And PETA itself directly gave PCRM over $265,000 between 1988 and 1999.

[Skeeter]

a) It was sarcasm. I'm just not a fan of spelling it out using italics.
b) You posted the DoH site, everything there is dubious at best, damn lies at worst.
c) You just make yourself sounds slimmer than us by changing dress sizes (a size 12 for you is a size 14 here - so you just pretend you are skinny when you are in fact fat)
d) MuckDonalds suck.

Why is everyone so short in England? I felt like a giant over there at 6'3.

Now in Germany I felt like I was below average at 6'3. I've never seen so many 6'6+ people in my life.

It's also true about the sizes. I could barely find ANYTHING to fit.

[Arkans]

Because the Germans are of good Aryan stock. The master race so to speak!

- Arkans

[Alfster]

People that judge you don't do it because you're fat.


































































































They do it because you're stupid.

















































































And fat. But far more stupid than fat which has to suck.

[Nieninque]

Why is everyone so short in England? I felt like a giant over there at 6'3.

Now in Germany I felt like I was below average at 6'3. I've never seen so many 6'6+ people in my life.

It's also true about the sizes. I could barely find ANYTHING to fit.

I'm 5'10, I mostly feel tall most of the time, though have a few lanky friends who make me feel less lanky. We tend to point and stare at really tall people...in a similar way to really fat people.

Behold!

[TheEschaton]

I'm 6'0", and constantly feel like a shrimp in the U.S. But then I go to India, and I'm like 4 inches taller, at least, than everyone in the country.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm 6'1" and never feel short. I'm also a "bigger" guy though, at least I think so and have been told so. Very few people give me the impression they are bigger than me, even if they are taller.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yet another sad, pathetic thread.

, but I used to be one and I understand how different people act towards you, even if you just lose a little.
P

Uhm all current photo evidence still denotes you as a fat ass. Just saying.

[Methais]

Uhm all current photo evidence still denotes you as a fat ass. Just saying.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/KlaiveIlvane2.jpg

[Warriorbird]

I never thought I'd say it. Nice pwnage, Some Rogue.

[Daniel]

Why is everyone so short in England? I felt like a giant over there at 6'3.

Now in Germany I felt like I was below average at 6'3. I've never seen so many 6'6+ people in my life.

It's also true about the sizes. I could barely find ANYTHING to fit.

You should see my german family.

My mom is maybe 6'3 and I have at least 4-5 cousins over 7 feet tall. It's pretty insane.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Why is everyone so short in England? I felt like a giant over there at 6'3.

Now in Germany I felt like I was below average at 6'3. I've never seen so many 6'6+ people in my life.

It's also true about the sizes. I could barely find ANYTHING to fit.

When I'm with my family, with the exception of my step-mother, I am the tallest person. Around where I live, though, I feel really tiny - especially when I try on jewelry.

I'm all of 5'4"ish.

[Danical]

When I'm with my family, with the exception of my step-mother, I am the tallest person. Around where I live, though, I feel really tiny - especially when I try on jewelry.

I'm all of 5'4"ish.

I have this belief that you are a gelfling and I'm sticking to it.

http://detour-mag.com/assets/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/darkcrystal.jpg


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[diethx]

I have this belief that you are a gelfling and I'm sticking to it.

http://detour-mag.com/assets/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/darkcrystal.jpg


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Gelflings don't have six packs.

:heart: Fizzgigg

[Skeeter]

ROFL

[Jenisi]

I always laugh when they order cheese fries for an app then order fries with their dinner. I'm like ooook!

[LMingrone]

Bud Light's Real Men of Genius: "Because the only thing better than meat and potatoes is meat and meat."

Edit: Just finished downloading the torrent for the 87 BLRMoG commercials. My head hurts from laughing.

[Some Rogue]

Some may ask, is your taco salad healthy? Of course it is, it's a salad isn't it?

[Stretch]

I'm way taller than average for where I'm from.

5'6 FTW.

[Skeeter]

are you from Oompa Loompa-ville?

[Methais]

I always laugh when they order cheese fries for an app then order fries with their dinner. I'm like ooook!

I like the classic order of a 6000 calorie meal........with a diet coke.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/zeonzumdeikun/Worf_notagain.gif

[LMingrone]

Today we salute you...Mr. pickled pigs feet eater. (MR. PICKLED PIGS FEET EATER). Ignoring all you know about pigs, and where they live, and what they step in. You look at their pickled paws and say, "yummy". (LOOKING TASTY).

Craving only the daring meal you pass up the cow tounge, skate by the head cheese, dismiss the Rocky Mountain oysters. (ROCKY MOUNTAN OYSTERS).

But a pig's foot soaked in pickle juice, that's good eating. (SAVE ME A BIG ONE)
Because it takes guts to eat those feet.


Edit: here's the torrent of 83 of em. Must have: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3616566/SxS_-_Real_Men_Of_Genius_-_83_mp3s.zip

[Whimsi]

I like the classic order of a 6000 calorie meal........with a diet coke.




Could just be a taste preference. Real Coca Cola is naaaasty.

[Methais]

Could just be a taste preference. Real Coca Cola is naaaasty.

Diet whatever, not necessarily Coke.

Speaking of diet drinks, is it just me or does Diet Dr. Pepper taste like novacane?

[Back]

Some may ask, is your taco salad healthy? Of course it is, it's a salad isn't it?

This quote and thread reminded me of...

TACO TOWN!!
http://www.nathansbrain.com/archives/2005/12/snls_taco_town.html

[Fallen]

Some may ask, is your taco salad healthy? Of course it is, it's a salad isn't it?

That one has always been my favorite.

[Some Rogue]

My favorite is the tiny thong bikini wearer.

"Hey, check out the wooly mammoth in the rubberband."

"If you've got it, flaunt it. That's your motto. Which is ironic, because you definitely don't got it."

[Hulkein]

Could just be a taste preference. Real Coca Cola is naaaasty.

Are you serious? Fountain coke is amazing.

I think all diet sodas/drinks taste odd. Can't stand them.

[Some Rogue]

Love the Diet Mountain Dew. It's the only diet I can drink.

[Skeeter]

I used to drink 4-6 mountain dews a day. Decided I was getting to hefty and stopped drinking pop. Now it all tastes like sugar, and I couldn't finish a can if I wanted to.

[ViridianAsp]

When I'm with my family, with the exception of my step-mother, I am the tallest person. Around where I live, though, I feel really tiny - especially when I try on jewelry.

I'm all of 5'4"ish.


It's funny, when I'm with my family, I'm the shortest, even my Great Grandmother is taller than I am, my grandfather calls me "Shorty", I'm 5'4".

At work, I'm the second tallest person, go figure.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Skeeter
I used to drink 4-6 mountain dews a day. Decided I was getting to hefty and stopped drinking pop. Now it all tastes like sugar, and I couldn't finish a can if I wanted to.

It's SODA you midwestern son of bitch.

[Skeeter]

Is new jersey part of New England? I'm not sure where that cut off is.

[CrystalTears]

Funny, I'm the shortest person no matter where I go aside from kids younger than 13. :D

[Hulkein]

Is new jersey part of New England? I'm not sure where that cut off is.

Nah.

[CrystalTears]

Is new jersey part of New England? I'm not sure where that cut off is.
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut

[Daniel]

It's SODA you midwestern son of bitch.

Pop you yuppie motherfucker.

[Parkbandit]

Love the Diet Mountain Dew. It's the only diet I can drink.


Same. I like the red Mountain Dew as well.. and can tolerate the Vault (I think that's the name.. same greenish color) If I'm out for lunch, I'll choke down a diet Coke, only because I would rather eat calories than drink them.

[Asha]

Fizzy pop ftw.
I've been led to believe one of the requisites of being able to play WoW was you had to have a 2 litre bottle of Mountain Dew sat next to you. And when it's finished it makes a handy porta-loo.

It's a good job Mountain Dew is luminous green-yellow too.
If it was say, the same colour as Lucozade or Orangade there could be a few misshaps during a raid.

[Blushy]

I used to drink 4-6 mountain dews a day. Decided I was getting to hefty and stopped drinking pop. Now it all tastes like sugar, and I couldn't finish a can if I wanted to.

Two to three swallows of extremely well carbonated soda is about all I can stand these days. Anything more makes me sick to my stomach.

[Blushy]

Funny, I'm the shortest person no matter where I go aside from kids younger than 13. :D

I teach school. There is a 12 year old boy here who is taller than I am. The Director of the school is really short. I think some of the taller 4th graders have her beat.

[ElanthianSiren]

Fizzy pop ftw.
I've been led to believe one of the requisites of being able to play WoW was you had to have a 2 litre bottle of Mountain Dew sat next to you. And when it's finished it makes a handy porta-loo.

It's a good job Mountain Dew is luminous green-yellow too.
If it was say, the same colour as Lucozade or Orangade there could be a few misshaps during a raid.

I used to like pitch black (grape dew ftw), but I don't think they make it anymore.

I also used to like code red, and then it got nasty tasting for whatever reason.

Caffeine + WoW is good. Can't vouche for the porta-loo.

[Stanley Burrell]

I like Search and Destroy and I Wanna be Your Dog by Iggy Pop.

Oh God, that was awful. Lord'a'mercy.

[Methais]

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/comedy/images/053a.jpg

[CrystalTears]

Fuck off, I'm stuffed.

[Skeeter]

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut

Then Sean should STFU about soda.

[Hulkein]

Then Sean should STFU about soda.

Why? Is that a New England thing exclusively? I've called it soda all my life.

[Some Rogue]

Me too and I live in Illinois.

[Daniel]

Me too and I live in Illinois.

Weirdo

[CrystalTears]

Soda is an east coast thing, not necessarily New England.

[AnticorRifling]

I always call it soda, I don't know of too many people around here that call it that though.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/popvssodamap.png

[Hulkein]

Haha, that is awesome Some Rogue.

I knew people from Pittsburgh called it pop because of my encounters with them at Penn State. One of the many Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh topics in Happy Valley.

[Celephais]

Looks like all the massive tards call it coke.

[diethx]

Looks like all the massive tards call it coke.

I've been living in Atlanta for almost 4 years and i've never heard anyone here refer to generic soda as "coke". Only if they were actually talking about Coca Cola. My fiance and his entire family calls it soda, and they've all lived in Georgia their entire lives. I've heard a lot of soda-usage, actually.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, I'm from Buffalo, we think people who call it "soda" are retarded, it's pop.

-TheE-

[DeV]

Weirdo

Haha, word.

[Some Rogue]

At least half the state calls it soda! Northerners are the weirdos. They gotta be different!

[Skeeter]

WTF is wrong with people in the south. Why would you say give me a coke when you want MD?

[DeV]

At least half the state calls it soda! The half that calls it "pop" is much, much cooler. Oh wait, I don't mean to pick on my southern counterpart for enjoying a cold sooo duuh every now and then.

At least none of us have to deal with a scenario like this:

"I'd like to have a coke with that?"
"Sure, what kind?"
"A coke"

[Methais]

WTF is wrong with people in the south. Why would you say give me a coke when you want MD?

Because people from the south are stupid.

EDIT: I only live in the south. I'm from Boston originally.

[diethx]

WTF is wrong with people in the south. Why would you say give me a coke when you want MD?

Yeah, that sounds really ridiculous. I've personally never heard it happen though.

[Skeeter]

Because people from the south are stupid.

EDIT: I only live in the south. I'm from Boston originally.

It does explain SEC fans.

[Some Rogue]

The half that calls it "pop" is much, much cooler. Oh wait, I don't mean to pick on my southern counterpart for enjoying a cold sooo duuh every now and then.



Pfft, I lived there for 4 years. It was not cooler.

And "Pop"?? Couldn't think of something better than the sound it makes when the can is opened?

:medieval:

[Methais]

And "Pop"?? Couldn't think of something better than the sound it makes when the can is opened?

:medieval:

How about *KRRRRRRRSSSS.....CCCCCCHHHH*?

[YouLose]

I'm assessing all of you 50 FAT points for making fun of fat people.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Looks like all the massive tards call it coke.>>

Anyone that calls it anything but soda is a massive tard. It's called soda for a reason: sodium bicarbonate.

[Stanley Burrell]

<<Looks like all the massive tards call it coke.>>

Anyone that calls it anything but soda is a massive tard. It's called soda for a reason: sodium bicarbonate.

Same thing with handsoap as well (is that really true though with the "sod" prefix?)

Also, that thing about any and all soda being called "Coke" has to be bogus. That is impossible. Coke is a fackin' brand. If anything, its name is derived from la cocaina.

[Miscast]

snort coke, not pepsi

i don't know any fat coke users

[Methais]

http://www.amcgltd.com/archives/cokehead.jpg

[Elementz]

I've done it...I fuckin did it...
I have come up with a solution for obesity in the good ol' US of A!
Ok, check it out--

When you go to get your license, you should have your BMI and weight measured. If for your height, you are considered obese or morbidly obese, you
are NOT allowed to drive a vehicle (especially undersized motorcycles).

That means weight profiling drivers and random pull overs by the 5-0. If you don't have a valid license, your car gets towed and you get a ticket.

This would force fat asses to WALK to the store to get their food or to work for their salary. I think this would drastically reduce the average LB per capita in the US.

It could possibly also cause Pizza Hut's profits to soar through the roof (temporarily at least until the fatties lose their jobs from truancy and ruin public transportation by causing the upkeep of bus's suspensions unaffordable on the daily trips to and from work).

:D

(solution for the Public Transportation issue: weigh in stations before you get onto any public bus, taxi, or train!)

[diethx]

I've done it...I fuckin did it...
I have come up with a solution for obesity in the good ol' US of A!
Ok, check it out--

When you go to get your license, you should have your BMI and weight measured. If for your height, you are considered obese or morbidly obese, you
are NOT allowed to drive a vehicle (especially undersized motorcycles).

That means weight profiling drivers and random pull overs by the 5-0. If you don't have a valid license, your car gets towed and you get a ticket.

This would force fat asses to WALK to the store to get their food or to work for their salary. I think this would drastically reduce the average LB per capita in the US.

It could possibly also cause Pizza Hut's profits to soar through the roof (temporarily at least until the fatties lose their jobs from truancy and ruin public transportation by causing the upkeep of bus's suspensions unaffordable on the daily trips to and from work).

:D

(solution for the Public Transportation issue: weigh in stations before you get onto any public bus, taxi, or train!)

That's got to be one of the stupidest ideas ever, except that fat people should not be able to ride undersized motorcycles. This is spot on.

[Elementz]

Well mostly it was just me pondering a solution. Aside from it being completely unethical I think it would totally work! Maybe if a few counties in the fattest state in America tested it, we could get some solid data to support my theory...

lol brielus

[Skeeter]

BMI has got to be one of the worst systems ever devised.

[ViridianAsp]

I've done it...I fuckin did it...
I have come up with a solution for obesity in the good ol' US of A!
Ok, check it out--

When you go to get your license, you should have your BMI and weight measured. If for your height, you are considered obese or morbidly obese, you
are NOT allowed to drive a vehicle (especially undersized motorcycles).

That means weight profiling drivers and random pull overs by the 5-0. If you don't have a valid license, your car gets towed and you get a ticket.

This would force fat asses to WALK to the store to get their food or to work for their salary. I think this would drastically reduce the average LB per capita in the US.

It could possibly also cause Pizza Hut's profits to soar through the roof (temporarily at least until the fatties lose their jobs from truancy and ruin public transportation by causing the upkeep of bus's suspensions unaffordable on the daily trips to and from work).

:D

(solution for the Public Transportation issue: weigh in stations before you get onto any public bus, taxi, or train!)

Actually just walking, while it can be beneficial, isn't as good a few hours of rigorous activity (working out) a week.

Also, this is the worst idea ever. Pizza hut pizza is crap anyway. Round Table Pizza FTW.

[Skeeter]

Pizza hut > all.

[Gan]

Papa Johns Pizza > all.

Fixed that for you.

[CrystalTears]

I so miss having a local Papa Johns. It was my favorite.

[Sean]

Papa Johns sits in your gut for what seems like days. That being said the order online function is great although I think you can do it a the hut and some dominos now too.

[Stanley Burrell]

BMI has got to be one of the worst systems ever devised.

Word, young son:

Almost all the overweight dude/lady/lady-dude posters here have been harshly mislabeled as being "obese" because they share the sad curse of being virtually identical in body mass to Shaquille O'Neal.

[Gan]

Papa Johns sits in your gut for what seems like days. That being said the order online function is great although I think you can do it a the hut and some dominos now too.

You're fortunate.

Most times, the day after effects of eating pizza (of any sort) is probably a collosal morning shit followed up by some of the most noxious fugitive gas episode that seem to have aftershocks that last most of the morning.


:shit:

[Daniel]

Thanks