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Warriorbird
03-02-2008, 08:00 PM
...and stuff could get crazy.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/americas/03/02/chavez.colombia/t1home.chavez.ap.jpg

(CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday ordered 10 battalions of military forces to the country's border with Colombia, and ordered the closure of Venezuela's embassy in Colombia's capital city of Bogota.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says Colombia violated Ecuador's sovereignty.

Chavez made the moves in reaction to an operation carried out at dawn Saturday by Colombia's national police and its air force in Ecuador, which resulted in the death of the second-in-command of the FARC rebels group, Luis Edgar Devia Silva, known as "Raul Reyes."

FARC is the Spanish acronym for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. The Marxist group has been trying for some 40 years to overthrow the Colombian government and is estimated to be holding 750 hostages in the jungles of Colombian.

In the past two months, Chavez has brokered FARC's release of six of them. Reyes, who was a member of the seven-man FARC leadership council known as the general secretariat, played a key mediation role in their release.

Also killed was Guillermo Enrique Torres or "Julian Conrado," who was a key FARC ideologue.

"The Colombian oligarchy says it was combat," said Chavez, whose leftist politics have been credited for his warm relations with the rebel group. "It was not combat. It was a cowardly murder, coldly prepared in its entirety. The truth is coming out."

"I put Venezuela on alert, and we will support Ecuador in any circumstance," Chavez said Sunday on his weekly talk show "Alo Presidente," or "Hello, President."

"We don't want war, but we will not allow the North American empire -- which is the master -- and its sub-President [Alvaro] Uribe and the Colombian oligarchy to divide, to weaken us. We will not allow it."

Chavez said Saturday that the Colombian government had violated Ecuador's sovereignty and added that, had the operation been conducted on Venezuelan soil, he would have declared war against Colombia.

"Colombia's government recognizes -- in a happy and irresponsible attitude -- that it has violated the sovereignty of a neighbor country, and that's worrisome," he said.

"President Uribe, think well. Don't think about doing that over here, don't think it. Because it would very serious, a military raid in Venezuelan territory would be casus belli [cause for war]. There is not any excuse."

Also on Saturday, Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa told reporters in Quito that Uribe told him the raid occurred after a FARC column fled across the border and fired at Colombian forces, who "had to defend themselves."

But Correa said his forces investigated Uribe's claims and discovered that the Colombian planes attacked the guerrillas as they slept in a camp 2 km ( 1.2 mi) inside Ecuador.

"Of course Ecuadoran air space was invaded," he said.

He said Colombian ground forces then crossed into Ecuador and retrieved Reyes' body, leaving the others.

"We will not permit this outrage," he said. "Either President Uribe was misinformed and will have to sanction his commanders who deceived him, breaking every international bilateral proceeding by entering our territory or Uribe simply lied. In either case, the situation is extremely grave and the Ecuadoran government is disposed to go to the ultimate consequences."

Chavez called Uribe a "liar," a "criminal" and a "gangster."

"Colombia is a terrorist state, a subject of the biggest terrorist in the world, the United States government, and all of its imperialist apparatus," Chavez said to applause.

Colombian Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos denied that Colombia violated Ecuadoran airspace in the operation..

The White House said Sunday it was "monitoring the situation."

"This is an odd reaction by Venezuela to Colombia's efforts against the FARC, a terrorist organization that continues to hold Colombians, Americans and others hostage," spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

FARC has justified hostage-taking as a legitimate military tactic in a long-running and complex civil war that also has involved right-wing paramilitaries, government forces and drug traffickers.

Daniel
03-02-2008, 08:33 PM
There goes my day off.

Seran
03-02-2008, 08:37 PM
Perhaps someone should consult Pat Robertson.

Back
03-02-2008, 09:20 PM
I think Ron Paul is correct. Why the US took a policy of intervention* as opposed to a policy of inclusion* is beyond rational thought. This is our, in terms of who lives on this half of the planet’s, hemisphere.

* italics are not for the sarchasm challenged.

Warriorbird
03-02-2008, 11:28 PM
Ecuador has now also moved troops to its Colombian border.

TheEschaton
03-03-2008, 12:00 AM
Hmmm, World War III anyone? Between Russia, this, and Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory (what's new? 82 Palestinians dead since Wednesday, in retaliation for a missile shot into Israeli territory killing one, and injuring 22), not to mention Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia...can't be that far off.

-TheE-

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 01:00 AM
I think Ron Paul is correct.

And this is one of the reasons why he is a political laughing stock.

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Hmmm, World War III anyone? Between Russia, this, and Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory (what's new? 82 Palestinians dead since Wednesday, in retaliation for a missile shot into Israeli territory killing one, and injuring 22), not to mention Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia...can't be that far off.

-TheE-

:rofl:

WWIII? Are you kidding me? Mexico can probably handle Ecuador and Venezuela. Or we could send what.. 12 marines?

And the terrorists inside Palestine should have fucking learned by now.. don't fuck with Israel.

Back
03-03-2008, 03:26 AM
And this is one of the reasons why he is a political laughing stock.

I admire your blind bold-face patriotism. To a point.

I love this county as much as you do. We just have different views on how we conduct that success.

As naive as I may be, I am nowhere near as paranoid as you are. A little of both, in the right mix, is what might make the right recipe.

Asha
03-03-2008, 04:08 AM
:rofl:

WWIII? Are you kidding me? Mexico can probably handle Ecuador and Venezuela. Or we could send what.. 12 marines?

And the terrorists inside Palestine should have fucking learned by now.. don't fuck with Israel.

This has to have been my favourite post in a long time.
Laugh out loud at ''...12 marines''

Sean of the Thread
03-03-2008, 04:12 AM
For fucks sake the USMC Silent Drill Platoon would have them screaming home to mommy with pee dripping down their legs.



*Oh and make no mistake about it... there are force recon all over the ground there already.

Gan
03-03-2008, 08:45 AM
Well, first, I consider Chavez a modern hero...

This bears repeating.

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 08:59 AM
As naive as I may be, I am nowhere near as paranoid as you are. A little of both, in the right mix, is what might make the right recipe.

:rofl:

Holy shit.. are you and TheE trying for best actor in a comedy drama today? You are not paranoid? Since when? YOU were the reason for the tin foil hat avatar fiesta.

Gan
03-03-2008, 11:38 AM
Now now, this is the new Backlash. He has risen from the dead (ashes - GSPhoenix) and all of his sins have been washed away.

He is not responsible nor accountable for his past actions, statements, diatribes, failed advances, or any association with small peni or a woman who may or may not be known by the name Beth or Bethany.

Give the poor fellow a break.


/exit life

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 11:49 AM
:rofl:

He should stick to important topics like "When was the last time you washed your hair"

Warriorbird
03-03-2008, 12:43 PM
At least Parkbandit seems to have read the article this time.

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 01:02 PM
At least Parkbandit seems to have read the article this time.

Aw.. sorry I ruined your circle jerk :(

Stanley Burrell
03-03-2008, 01:19 PM
Man.

That Chavez sure doesn't make any distinction between terrorists and the countries who harbor them.

Warriorbird
03-03-2008, 01:33 PM
I'm sorry Parkbandit. Unlike you my group sex fantasies tend to be about women.

:)

I think this whole situation is heading towards a bad ending for Chavez. Hopefully he's not insane enough to start a South American war.

Arkans
03-03-2008, 01:44 PM
They are moving soldiers to their borders. Well within their rights as sovereign states. Ecaudor's sovereignty should never have been violated.

- Arkans

Back
03-03-2008, 03:48 PM
:rofl:

Holy shit.. are you and TheE trying for best actor in a comedy drama today? You are not paranoid? Since when? YOU were the reason for the tin foil hat avatar fiesta.

That was so long ago I don’t even remember what it was all about. I do remember you guys making tin-foil hat avatars for a time. All that did was make you all look like... tin-foil hat wearing loonies. It was amusing.

What I was trying to get across was... along with optimism, there is a place for caution in how we conduct our affairs. Too much of either is a bad thing. Just pointing out the obvious.

Chavez seems more... obsessed with his power over the years. This move kind of demonstrates that. From what I see this is an issue between Columbia and Ecaudor, and Chavez is using it for his political advantage.

Parkbandit
03-03-2008, 04:25 PM
That was so long ago I don’t even remember what it was all about. I do remember you guys making tin-foil hat avatars for a time. All that did was make you all look like... tin-foil hat wearing loonies. It was amusing.

There's multiple threads to choose from. Just do a search for tin foil and then look for you to be the original post. Makes for some real good times down memory lane.




What I was trying to get across was... along with optimism, there is a place for caution in how we conduct our affairs. Too much of either is a bad thing. Just pointing out the obvious.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/CaptainObvious.jpg



Chavez seems more... obsessed with his power over the years. This move kind of demonstrates that. From what I see this is an issue between Columbia and Ecaudor, and Chavez is using it for his political advantage.

Quite the hero you picked out there to worship, huh chump.

Stanley Burrell
03-03-2008, 04:32 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/CaptainObvious.jpg

Admit it, PB:

That was you at half your age. You were a damn good gemologist. Now you just suck. Wang.