You're dead, so it's okay to vulture.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm getting sick of this shit. Just because I'm dead doesn't mean I no longer have to give you permission to heal me.

Nakiro's done it a few times to me. Fogged to me, returned to town, healed me, and left without even a WORD of interaction.

The latest instance has been Tejita. I hate it!



Tejita meditates over you.
Tejita takes your left arm damage.
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Tejita meditates over you.
Tejita takes your chest damage.
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Tejita meditates over you.
Tejita takes your abdomen damage.

Cappurnicus says, "I am fine."
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Tejita meditates over you.
Tejita takes some of your blood loss.
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>l tejita
Great Lord Envim just went south.
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Aesa just came through the town gates.
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You see Tejita the Master Healer.
He appears to be a Giant of the Maeramil Clan.
He appears to be wizened with age and very tall. He has silver-flecked sea green eyes and alabaster skin. He has long, straight coal black hair streaked with silver. He has a weathered face and broad shoulders.
He has a sun and moon tattoo on his neck.
He has some minor cuts and bruises on his left arm, deep gashes and serious bleeding from his chest, deep gashes and serious bleeding from his abdominal area, a bruised right eye, and snapped bones and serious bleeding from the neck.
He is bleeding badly from the chest, profusely from the neck, and badly from the abdomen.
He is holding a gold-capped orase runestaff in his right hand.
He is wearing a ruined black eye-patch, a skeleton mask, some polished black leather boots, a copper-studded wineskin, a threadbare dark wool coin pouch, a sovyn clove talisman, an old fishing cloak, a silver-edged black leather tunic, a silvery mail backpack, and some dark silver-buttoned breeches.
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Tejita meditates over you.
Tejita takes all of your blood loss.
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The sickly pallor seems to fade from Zimzum.
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Tejita says, "All healed up."
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Tejita says, "You look fantastic, if I do say so myself."
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Speaking in Elven, Evelith says, "We are heading to the insanity of Darkstone."
>'Next time wait for me to agree to you healing me, ya big oaf.
You say, "Next time wait for me to agree to you healing me, ya big oaf."
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Tejita nods to you.


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Zimzum raises a hand while murmuring a soft orison...
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Cylla just came through the town gates.
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Zimzum gestures at you.
A silvery translucent thread extends from Zimzum encompassing you.
You sense the warmth and comfort of salvation.
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Tejita says, "You did."
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Cylla just went south.
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Teveriel joins Kalishar's group.
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Tejita says, "You just didn't know it."
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Tejita nods.
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Tejita chuckles.
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Ssavvy just went through the town gates.
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Salenn joins Kalishar's group.
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.name Tejita red

[Press the ESCape key to abort script.]
Cappurnicus asks, "What will you be facing?"
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Tejita says, "Your head rolled slightly."
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Tejita nods.
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Zimzum grins.
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Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
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Zimzum raises a hand while murmuring a soft orison...
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Morpat just went through the town gates.
>'Don't worry, I'll remember yer face.
Zimzum gestures at you.
Zimzum suddenly looks very drained.

You feel a sudden jolt of nothing short of the raw power of divine intervention. For some reason, you cannot bring yourself to move quite yet, but feel relieved nonetheless.
You feel the touch of the hand leave your soul.
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You are still stunned.
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Tejita says, "Understandable, of course, in your condition."
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Tejita chuckles.
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Tejita just went south.
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[HouseofElves]

I usually don't even keep someone without asking first, especially lately with DR points turned off. But that was wrong, dead or not you still should be asked.

I wish that empaths had to touch and link with someone, similiar to what they have in Dragon Realms. So even if you were dead you could unlink, like with a cleric. I have always thought that empaths have to establish a link with someone before they heal them.

In any event, that was lame dude, I'm sorry.

[HarmNone]

It is truly sad to see Tejita's body being defiled in such a way by this new soul. Truly sad.

Can this not be stopped by using demeanor? Pardon if it is a stupid question, but I do not play anymore. I thought demeanor was supposed to cut down on this kind of thing......or does demeanor not matter when you are dead?

HarmNone

[Rastaman]

Ummm? Why again would anyone turn down healing?

[HouseofElves]

Lots of reasons. You don't like the person, their race, what they are wearing, you have a friend coming to help your, your character has some strange worry about being touch or fondled, you like to heal yourself with herbs. You yourself are an empath.

Basically there are a lot of people who don't want healing. Empaths: Be a pal, and just ask.

[Xcalibur]

I hated/hate 4 people in gs.

Tejita is part of those 4 people.

[Trinitis]

No, demeanor is ignored when your dead..as you cannot "glance at them with a chilling look" and such. So, they have full rights to your body when your dead. Personally, I hate it..

-Adredrin

[ThisOtherKingdom]

First thing I did, as per the log, was highlight him in red. Second thing was to befriend him coldly.

[HarmNone]

Thanks for the info, Daina. Sounds like when designing that particular "game improvement" somebody forgot a few minor little situations, eh? ;)

HarmNone

[CrystalTears]

I wish demeanor wasn't deactivated while dead. That way you can have empaths and clerics as cold in your demeanor so that they can't claim your body as though it were a piece of meat for those who want to have some type of choice for their character.

I personally don't give a rat's butt who or what heals and raises me when I'm dead. I hate being dead and I've always felt that dead people don't have rights, but again, that's just me. However since they do, either give them all the rights that alive people do like keeping their demeanors, or make them just lumps of goo and take away their ability to talk and unlink. It should be an all or nothing thing.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I do agree with you, CrystalTears. Even though I don't even know how to unlink from a cleric... Bleh. Playing this game over a year and I still don't know what I'm doing.

[Moist Happenings]

Well, in response to your first post ThisOtherKingdom:

Neither Tejita or Nakiro are on my list of people that aren't assholes.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Rastaman
Ummm? Why again would anyone turn down healing?

We hate empaths?

[Adhara]

There are a few reasons to refuse healing altogether and countless reasons to refuse healing from someone in particular. Demeanor should have taken being dead in consideration. A check to see if dead followed by an appropriate set of messagings would have done the trick.

On another note, I thought I was the only one with a script to add names in red! I started with incompetent clerics (failed rez, vulturing, raising bleeding, etc) but empaths have gotten so bad I have started on them too.

Lowering the experience earned for healing has done one of two things. Encourage some empaths to hunt (especially with the implementation of bone shatter) or make the vultures even fiercer. Pathetic to see them scramble over bodies for minors.

[Edited on 12-15-2003 by Adhara]

[Jonty]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I wish demeanor wasn't deactivated while dead. That way you can have empaths and clerics as cold in your demeanor so that they can't claim your body as though it were a piece of meat for those who want to have some type of choice for their character.


You don't need demeanor while dead for clerics because, like someone already mentioned, you can unlink from the cleric after he/she casts 308 on you.

As fo having demeanor while dead.... That would be dumb. How can you stop someone from, healing you while you're dead?

I liked the suggestion of having an empath link to the patient, but ONLY while the patient is dead. Because you'll come across emergency situations where the patient is near death and linking to the patient would just waste time. Demeanor works while you're alive, so I'd like to see empaths required to link to dead patients.

I AWLAYS ask when I play my empath because I don't want to be rude and to avoid situations like this one. But the thing that I hate is when the patient gets an attitude because I asked.... Like, they say "Well duh I want healing..., what the hell do you think, I want to stay like this?" If they do this, I just ignore them froim then on.

- Me

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Jonty
As fo having demeanor while dead.... That would be dumb. How can you stop someone from, healing you while you're dead?

I guess this is my problem with corpses having a say in what happens to their body. You're dead, for heaven's sakes. How can a dead person really prevent a cleric from raising you? I think unlinking is just as ridiculous as having demeanor stop actions from happening to you. Like I said before, I don't think dead people should have any rights, not even talk.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I guess this is my problem with corpses having a say in what happens to their body. You're dead, for heaven's sakes. How can a dead person really prevent a cleric from raising you? I think unlinking is just as ridiculous as having demeanor stop actions from happening to you. Like I said before, I don't think dead people should have any rights, not even talk.

They way I see it, demeanor is a way of physically preventing someone from doing something to you. Though, I just looked at the messaging, and it doesn't suggest physical prevention. But with clerics and linking, I can see it as the spirit refusing to link with the cleric. If the cleric can't link with the spirit, how can the cleric raise the body? I don't know how they could make sense out of linking empaths with dead people, but I'd like to see it.

- Me

[Rastaman]

If you dont want to be healed or raised don't get hurt or die.

[Nakiro]

Heh, I got mentioned. Good.

I really don't care if you want healed or not. If I feel like healing you and you're dead, and there are no other empaths around and you don't speak up (and you have to be quick), you're getting healed.

Sorry, I only have so much time to play. I really don't have time to care if you think its okay. It ends up offending some people once in on rare occasions, but all and all most people don't care one way or another.

If its a big deal I'll squelch you biting the dust and we won't have these types of encounters again. Just need a name.

Nakiro

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Nakiro
Heh, I got mentioned. Good.

I really don't care if you want healed or not. If I feel like healing you and you're dead, and there are no other empaths around and you don't speak up (and you have to be quick), you're getting healed.

Sorry, I only have so much time to play. I really don't have time to care if you think its okay. It ends up offending some people once in on rare occasions, but all and all most people don't care one way or another.

If its a big deal I'll squelch you biting the dust and we won't have these types of encounters again. Just need a name.

Nakiro

Squelch Maimara and Raveyna.

Oh... did you get warned for fogging to someone that you were on a warn interaction from, and healing him and running away?

[Nakiro]

Naa, I got warned because I didn't run away actually.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I play Ardaen. You can squelch my name as well. You don't have much time to play? Well, I'm not AFK when I die. It doesn't take much time to type out, "Do you want help?" As far as I'm concerned, you're the #1 empath vulture there is.

[Betheny]

I think you're playing the wrong kind of game.

GS isn't about EXP points, and if it is for you, you should get an Xbox or something.

[Nakiro]

Play for whatever reason you want. Some like getting cash and items, others like meeting people (something I've given up on), and others still like advancing a character.

I couldn't care less why you play. Why you'd bother yourself giving advice to someone else on how to play, or what to play in this case, is beyond me.

Nakiro

[Betheny]

So your telling me that I have to tell you to fuck off before you start yanking my wounds isn't telling me how I have to play GS?

Hypocrite.

[Nakiro]

Did I tell you to tell me to fuck off before I start yanking your wounds?

Nakiro

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Nakiro

I really don't care if you want healed or not. If I feel like healing you and you're dead, and there are no other empaths around and you don't speak up (and you have to be quick), you're getting healed.


Nakiro

You sure did.

[peam]

One reason why feras weapons and capped jail fines are a wonderful thing.

[Nakiro]

You're telling me to play a game that encourages interaction, yet you're against interaction obviously as much as I am it seems (ie begretting having to tell me not to heal you).

I'm just asking that you don't try to tell me what kind of reasons I should have to play Gemstone.

I gave you an option. Speak up or get healed. You'll have a choice there. I didn't tell you to tell me to fuck off, I just told you that you could.

Your statement involved no choice, which was basically go play something else.

See the difference?

Yes, if you don't want something you're obviously going to have to speak up about it. Not wanting someone to tell you why you should be playing Gemstone is different.

There is a difference between the ultimatium I give, and you "telling" me I should go play something else, like something on an Xbox.

Fuck it, I don't care anyway.

Nakiro

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm sorry, you're mistaken. You've fogged to me several times and you never gave the opportunity to speak up. It shouldn't be a race to see if you can heal me before I type out, "Don't heal me!" It should be common courtesy to ASK if I want your help. More often than not, I'd accept.

[Sean]

they could just make the demeanor verb work for dead people too. but i guess a dead person cant really have a demeanor so there would be a big rp player revolt.

[Nakiro]

I'm sure I was in roundtime from 130 atleast once.
If I left it was probably because you probably being attended to by a cleric already, or at TSC.

If I leave a body at TSC, I usually give a thought over the black net that a cleric is needed if one wasn't there orginally. You wouldn't know if you were dead, granted.

Nakiro

[HouseofElves]

Hmm I'm not going to give you my chars names because frankly if I die one of three things is happening:

1. I'm decaying. Even with DR, I'll take my chances.
2. I have a friend on the way.
3. Someone I *respect* is on the way.


I don't know where this is going on, but when I find out where your character hangs out, I'll make damn sure I don't hang out anywhere near there. (Somehow I bet it's the Landing or Icemule)

This kind of BS behavior is what gives empaths a horrible name, and makes me rather ashamed that I have one at times. Thank God for people like Siwas, Nindy, and some others that prove you don't have to be a total jerk off to play one. I know at times I've been one, but gah am I learning now. Thanks to GS4 I'm gladly putting my empaths combat skills to use more.

And dude, I've seen Maimara dead, you don't want to f*** with her. She gets rabid for a spirit.

[HarmNone]

Heh. Nakiro, if you had made the mistake of healing me, dead or not, without my permission to do so, you would have been one very dead empath...as many times as it took for you to get the freaking message. :D

HarmNone would harm some

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Nakiro
I gave you an option. Speak up or get healed. You'll have a choice there.

Yes, if you don't want something you're obviously going to have to speak up about it.

So you're saying I could walk up and poke (damn I wish slap was legal) or pinch you as many times I want because, hey, you never said you didn't want me to, right?

If I may paraphrase: Speak up or get pinched. You'll have a choice there.

[Nakiro]

Wouldn't that be kind of hard, considering you're already dead?

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Nakiro
I gave you an option. Speak up or get healed. You'll have a choice there.

Yes, if you don't want something you're obviously going to have to speak up about it.

So you're saying I could walk up and poke (damn I wish slap was legal) or pinch you as many times I want because, hey, you never said you didn't want me to, right?

If I may paraphrase: Speak up or get pinched. You'll have a choice there.

Sure. I'd set your demeanor to reserved and you wouldn't pinch me anymore. You didn't leave me without an option.

Nakiro

[Latrinsorm]

Let's say your dead, and I begin molesting you to the limits policy allows. I would still be allowed, because you can always decay, right? You have a choice?

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Let's say your dead, and I begin molesting you to the limits policy allows. I would still be allowed, because you can always decay, right? You have a choice?

I could tell you to leave, give you a warning, log out, or decay. Looks like I have a few options actually.