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Gibreficul
02-03-2008, 06:26 AM
Your right hand feels better.
************* HEALDOWNTEST ****************
Cast Roundtime 3 seconds.
J>
*** ATTENTION: It appears that you might not be fully attentive to the gaming environment while using a script to gain experience, silver, and/or reps. This is a violation of GemStone IV's POLICY 18. If you are at the keyboard, please respond to this message by speaking aloud or using REPORT. Thanks. ***

Roundtime: 10 sec.

JR>send 15 Kristianna
...wait 10 seconds.
JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
JR>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
As Byzkit's voice focuses on the yellow heliodor, the crystalline structure of the gem appears to improve somewhat.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
JR>
Byzkit put a pale yellow heliodor in his spidersilk cloak.
JR>
Byzkit removes a pale yellow heliodor from in his steel mesh gem pouch.
JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
JR>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
J>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
J>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
J>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
J>
*** ATTENTION: This is your last chance to make it clear that you are actively at the keyboard. ***

Roundtime: 10 sec.

JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
JR>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
JR>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
JR>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
J>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
As Byzkit's voice focuses on the yellow heliodor, the gem appears to improve in quality and color.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
J>
Byzkit changes his tune, adding a new element to his song...
J>
Byzkit skillfully weaves another verse into his harmony, directing the sound of his voice at a pale yellow heliodor.
As Byzkit's voice focuses on the yellow heliodor, the crystalline structure of the gem appears to improve somewhat.
When the song ends, you notice the yellow heliodor sparkles a little more and is void of some natural imperfections.
J>
Kristianna grows indistinct. Slowly it dawns on you that she isn't there anymore.
The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>
You have just been awarded -95 experience points.
J>

***


************************************************** ******



Kristianna, this is an official warning that long-term scripting is against policy in GemStone IV.

If you feel this warning was received in error, please speak to a GameHost by typing ASSIST REQUEST.

You can also learn more about GemStone IV policies online, by typing POLICY while in the game or by visiting http://www.play.net/gs4/gamepolicy.asp.



************************************************** ***********


J>


SEND[Emeradan] Due to your inattentiveness to the game environment and your lack of response to multiple tests, you've been moved to this room, officially warned for unattended scripting, cleared of your field experience, and assessed an experience inefficiency penalty as per POLICY 18. Please LOOK to find instructions on how to leave your current location, and ASSIST after if you have questions. :)


J>
[script aborted]
J>policy 18

GemStone IV Player Policy: Scripting Policy

ANY experience-gaining activity while being unresponsive to the gaming environment will be considered against policy. AFK scripting of ANY kind is entirely against policy and is an immediately warnable offense. In addition, ANY activity that allows you to gain NEW experience while using Rest Mode may result in a warning. If your attention is not in the game window, you should log out of the game or stop any experience, skill, or potential and/or actual money-making activities (e.g. fletching arrows for sale), to avoid being warned. The excuse that you looked away from the keyboard or left your desk only for a few minutes will not prevent you from gaining a warning since the Staff will have no way of verifying that fact.

Warnings for scripting or any unresponsive activities are based on the Staff's observation of the character, and the Staff's judgment may vary from instance to instance. Therefore, each instance of long term scripting will be judged independently. Furthermore, GMs have the right to verify any and all characters are following this policy at any time.

Exceptions: In general, if you are running a script or are in Rest Mode and are not gaining any NEW experience, skills, money, or an in-game advantage, it does not fall under this policy. Being AFK or in Rest Mode while absorbing experience you have already gained is not a violation of this policy. However, ANY activity that's deemed by staff to be disruptive or not in the best interest of the game or its players can be warned when discovered. (e.g., if you script moving in and out of a room, a warning may be issued because it causes undue screen scroll. If you are gaining skills passively, a warning may be issued based on your being unresponsive to the gaming environment. If your "Rest Mode" message is determined to be inappropriate, a warning may be issued based on the message being Out Of Character (OOC) or disruptive.)

For the purposes of this policy, all offenses by any character on an account can be treated as having occurred to the same character. As with other policy violations that lead to lockouts, accounts that are "linked" by any method including but not limited to name, address, or other billing information can be treated as the same account in regards to disciplinary action.

First offense: Player receives a formal warning, is moved to a consultation room, loses ALL field experience (unabsorbed experience) and an experience inefficency penalty is added, and must reread and agree to policy before being released. If the character was scripting an Artisan's Guild skill or Adventurer's Guild task, would lose HALF of their current bounty points or 50 ranks in an artisan's or professional guild skill.

Second offense: In addition to the second warning, substantial penalties may be assessed including experience inefficiency penalties, and the loss of all current outstanding bounty points. The character may also be removed from the Adventurer's Guild for 30 days, and lose up to HALF of ALL ranks in artisan or professional guild skills.

Third offense: The account, plus other related accounts, can be locked out for 30 days. In addition, substantial experience inefficiency penalties can be assessed, all Artisan's or professional guild skill ranks may be removed, and all characters on the account may be removed from the Adventurer's Guild for at least 30 days and forfeit all current rewards.

Your next unread page is page 1.
J>next
Please rephrase that command.
J>l
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>yawn
This isn't an appropriate place to do that.
J>go out
Please answer yes if you have read and understand the GemStone IV policy regarding scripting. By doing this, you agree to all restrictions and understand that you may only play in agreement to this policy (policy 18). If you fail to henceforth abide by these rules, you agree to surrender all payments rendered and to accept any consequences you may incur.
J>'yes
Only a GM can hear you talk now.
J>look
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>
The powerful look leaves you.
J>
The air stops shimmering around you.
J>look
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>cure l arm
This isn't an appropriate place to do that.
J>l
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>l
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>go out
You must agree to scripting policy (policy 18) and answer yes to leave this area.
J>answer yes
You have now agreed to abide to our scripting policy. Go out to leave.
J>l
[Scripting Violation Limbo]
You have been moved here because it appears you are in violation of GemStone IV policy. Scripting for the purpose of gaining experience or silver is a violation of policy and future warnings may result in time out from the game. In order to leave this area, you must state that you agree to abide by this policy and that you understand the consequences of failing to do so. click policy 18 for complete scripting policy information. GO OUT for instructions.
You notice a hobgoblin, a lesser ghoul, a fake fire cat, the way out, a fake viper, a fake skeleton and a giant rat clearly unaware that it is a fake prop.
Obvious exits: none
J>go out
******NOTE******

You have specifically agreed to play this game by abiding by the GemStone IV scripting policy. Please understand this has been noted for future reference.

[Careless Cobweb Table]
You notice the Gibreficul disk, a steel lockpick, a steel lockpick, a piece of iron, a piece of iron, a copper lockpick, a copper lockpick, a steel lockpick, a corroded ring, a satin gown, a drake yierka-spur, a feras rapier, a curved crystal-edged blade, a spiral-hafted crystal-edged handaxe, a curved crystal-edged blade and a gleaming crystal-edged longsword.
Also here: Gibreficul, Byzkit (prone)
Obvious exits: out
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Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.

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Your SIGN OF SMITING is no longer effective.
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[signs]>sign of smiting
You flex your muscles with renewed vigor!
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Your SIGN OF STAUNCHING is no longer effective.
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[signs]>sign of staunching
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Your veins throb and your blood sings.
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Your SIGN OF DEFLECTION is no longer effective.
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[signs]>sign of deflection
You feel magical energies distort and flow around you.
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Byzkit renews his song.
>report I'm sorry I watch the bard's screen instead of the empath's screen while purifying gems. I'm also sorry that after 4 casts at a gem, (approximately 12 to 16 seconds) Whatever was on the game window is lost to scroll. So, let me clarify. I should watch the empath's screen because there's a random element in purifying gems that causes an injury that an empath can heal that will yield experience. That about right?
REPORT should only be used to notify the GemStone IV staff of emergency situations or gamewide technical errors. Please use ASSIST for general support.


Message sent to all online game staff. While no staff members are currently on duty, there are likely to be several lurking behind the scenes to investigate your report. If you feel the need to speak with the staff, please type ASSIST for a list of options.

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SEND[Emeradan] When running a script that allows for the potential of gains listed in POLICY 18, your attentiveness must be on the scripting screen.


>report since when is simu against multi accounting?
REPORT should only be used to notify the GemStone IV staff of emergency situations or gamewide technical errors. Please use ASSIST for general support.


Message sent to all online game staff. While no staff members are currently on duty, there are likely to be several lurking behind the scenes to investigate your report. If you feel the need to speak with the staff, please type ASSIST for a list of options.




SEND[Emeradan] Thank you for your anticipated compliance with game policies.


>report have a nice day (and a shot of JD)




OK, wtf. Since when does Simu frown on MAing? Seriously. It's not like I wasn't there. I was running 3 accounts. Gib was totally idle, with 0 exp in his head. The bard with purifying gems, with 0 exp in his head, and not enough people present to give exp from loresinging. Kristianna was running a VERY simple script that heals blown gems, heals down the injury, and sends mana. I'd think they'd want to bust the bard before the empath, but that 95 exp that means jack shit to me is such a big deal, especially since there's 0 way mechanically to totally prevent blowing gems, outside of not purifying them. Sometimes I think the policies of simutronics, and the enforcement (by the gamemasters) are idiotic. If it was a room warning... I'd have seen it, no problem. I swap to the empath usually after healing, so kill the script and restart it before it wastes mana on a scar that isn't there. (yea, it's a simple script) Just so happens, when that blown gem happeened... I was checking the number of gems left in the pouch, saw it was down to NOTHING, removed the container with the pure gems, and tried to offer to the empath.... she was in limbo.

Sorry for ranting, I needed that.

Asha
02-03-2008, 07:17 AM
There's almost no time when scripting and not being attentive to it, is allowed.
I just wouldn't bother ever complaining about being caught doing it.

Drew
02-03-2008, 07:28 AM
Although that is a very weak warning. Sending to the character instead of the room. Simu wants people to MA, or not?

Gibreficul
02-03-2008, 07:50 AM
Although that is a very weak warning. Sending to the character instead of the room. Simu wants people to MA, or not?

Apparently not. They keep being petty and giving under 30 seconds of warning, they'll not have to worry about any acounts, let alone multiple accounts.

.breakgs

:)

TheWitch
02-03-2008, 09:00 AM
I think it's safe to say that Simu wants people to MA within policy.

I think it's also safe to say that perhaps Simu is trying to crack down on the abuses of MA'ers who park they're alts at a table and run scripts that anyone can activate via tap, or suchlike.

In a net such as they seem to be casting, it will happen that occasionally someone like yourself, Gib, will get caught as well as real abusers.

You did, in however a minor way, break policy. You can split screen, and have your eye on both characters activities. Had you done that, you would have seen E's send, responded, problem solved.

While this may seem like an unfair enforcement, try to look at it from the persepctive of people like myself and many people I know who:
Only play one character at a time, even if we own more than one account.
Seek out other PC's for our needs, such as gem purification and healing.
Hence creating the opportunity for RP.
Hence remaining true to the spirit of the game, which is supposed to be RP.

Now, I realize this is a rose-colored glasses view of things, but those of us who could MA but don't because we like the idea of RP'ing our characters feel a little ripped off in our gaming experience by people, not necessarily you, who operate in their own little micro-realm. This is a mutli-player game, and while you're hardly one of the more rampant abusers of being a solo, multi-account player, I for one am glad they're making this effort.

Bobmuhthol
02-03-2008, 09:09 AM
I'd say a GM is well within his rights to issue official warnings if you're not attentive at the screen running the script. It's the same shit as the people who script while doing something else in an unrelated window and then complain that they weren't physically away from their keyboard; here, your secondary window just happened to be GS.

Stanley Burrell
02-03-2008, 09:19 AM
Kristianna?

serra7965
02-03-2008, 09:38 AM
You should think about layering your screens. That is what I do when MAing, so I can see the bottom of each story board behind the one I want to watch. Of course it helps to turn your monitor 90 degrees.

Sylvan Dreams
02-03-2008, 09:42 AM
Actually, not watching the bard's screen is also a warnable offense by policy.

"AFK scripting of ANY kind is entirely against policy and is an immediately warnable offense."

"If your attention is not in the game window, you should log out of the game or stop any experience, skill, or potential and/or actual money-making activities (e.g. fletching arrows for sale), to avoid being warned."

Scripting is not only about gaining experience anymore. It's about being responsive to the game environment. You should have left Gib in rest mode then staggered the windows of the empath and bard so you can see both at once.

All that aside, I think Simu should pay more attention to people that script in public (like had Kristianna been script healing at the dais or fountain) or for script hunters than people that are quietly minding their own business and not interacting with other people.

Joe
02-03-2008, 10:38 AM
OK, wtf. Since when does Simu frown on MAing? Seriously. It's not like I wasn't there. I was running 3 accounts. Gib was totally idle, with 0 exp in his head. The bard with purifying gems, with 0 exp in his head, and not enough people present to give exp from loresinging. Kristianna was running a VERY simple script that heals blown gems, heals down the injury, and sends mana. I'd think they'd want to bust the bard before the empath, but that 95 exp that means jack shit to me is such a big deal, especially since there's 0 way mechanically to totally prevent blowing gems, outside of not purifying them. Sometimes I think the policies of simutronics, and the enforcement (by the gamemasters) are idiotic. If it was a room warning... I'd have seen it, no problem. I swap to the empath usually after healing, so kill the script and restart it before it wastes mana on a scar that isn't there. (yea, it's a simple script) Just so happens, when that blown gem happeened... I was checking the number of gems left in the pouch, saw it was down to NOTHING, removed the container with the pure gems, and tried to offer to the empath.... she was in limbo.

Sorry for ranting, I needed that.

Obviously you weren't "there" or you'd have responded. Dur.

Latrinsorm
02-03-2008, 11:08 AM
Kristianna was running a VERY simple script that heals blown gems, heals down the injury, and sends mana. ... especially since there's 0 way mechanically to totally prevent blowing gems, outside of not purifying them.The solution is to not have a script running on Kristianna. It doesn't have anything to do with MAing - you were running a script while not being attentive to a character.

Lucas
02-03-2008, 11:30 AM
When I read these things it kinda makes me sad why I put up with this shit for 30 bucks a month. Maybe I should go join the WoW crowd.

Joe
02-03-2008, 11:42 AM
When I read these things it kinda makes me sad why I put up with this shit for 30 bucks a month. Maybe I should go join the WoW crowd.

Don't let the door hit you. :)

Amaron
02-03-2008, 12:51 PM
Why do folks come and complain when they do things that are clearly against policy?

Em was polite in his interaction.

You broke policy, it was very clear. Do not run scripts while MAing.

TheEschaton
02-03-2008, 01:39 PM
If I was in this situation (and I do run separate bards/empath combos to purify), I just put the main on rest, script with the bard, and have the empath on rest too. A gem blows up, I take the short time to swap to the other screen, and heal the wound, heal it down. On my empath, that takes six seconds, and I doubt I'd be script violated on the bard in that amount of time.

AestheticDeath
02-03-2008, 05:56 PM
Yeah just use macros on the empath, it isn't that much trouble.

But what I don't get is that from what you posted, your empath didn't do anything in between the checks. Or did I miss that? She tried sending mana to herself, would he have seen an action that didn't get completed?

B2
02-03-2008, 06:40 PM
I believe GMs can see what you put in your prompt. I know there's been times where I've been playing "guess the stupid command" game and had it told to me.

Usually you don't get the ***It seems you're not responding message until you've not responded to some messaging. I'm assuming that there were some script checks before the log, where he was actively healing.

If you're actively using multiple characters, you should be watching multiple screens.

Especially after all the warnings we read on the PC (like them checking restmoded characters for the POSSIBILITY of them scripting)

If there weren't any prior script checking messages, then yeah, you have a good reason to write feedback. There was no command (other than the mana checking one) put in between those two messages, so no harm done. However, I don't think we were shown all of them.

Asha
02-03-2008, 06:42 PM
If you're actively using multiple characters, you should be watching multiple screens.
Simple enough. That's all it would've taken and it's all I do constantly.
You live, you learn.

Heshinar
02-03-2008, 11:59 PM
I know not everyone has the money but Multiple Monitors rock.

BigWorm
02-04-2008, 12:15 AM
I know not everyone has the money but Multiple Monitors rock.

If you're paying for multiple accounts, you should be able to pony up the $250 it costs for a decent LCD monitor. Even aside from Gemstone, I love having multiple monitors. Will probably go with three in my next setup.

Asha
02-04-2008, 12:16 AM
ARGH ALT+TAB for fucks sake

Bobmuhthol
02-04-2008, 12:30 AM
<<If you're paying for multiple accounts, you should be able to pony up the $250 it costs for a decent LCD monitor.>>

What the fuck kind of personal LCD monitor costs $250? Other than the ones that are needlessly marked up?

And who the fuck would need something like that for GS?

Khariz
02-04-2008, 12:33 AM
<<If you're paying for multiple accounts, you should be able to pony up the $250 it costs for a decent LCD monitor.>>

What the fuck kind of personal LCD monitor costs $250? Other than the ones that are needlessly marked up?

And who the fuck would need something like that for GS?

Um, that would be a 22"+ one where you can have a bunch of fucking GS windows tiles and see everything at the same time.

Bobmuhthol
02-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Yeah, my 22" monitor cost $150...

BigWorm
02-04-2008, 12:59 AM
$250 for a good one if you don't shop around. Obviously they can be had for cheap that that, but I like at least 1280x1024 with multiple inputs, which is not entry level. Either way, its trivial compared to the cost of even a single premium subscription for a year.

BigWorm
02-04-2008, 01:04 AM
ARGH ALT+TAB for fucks sake

You're kind of pissy tonight. You wasted or did Leeds get their asses handed to them by Man U or something? ;)

Much love. Respect.

TheEschaton
02-04-2008, 08:20 AM
I think I need to get a multiple monitor setup, but I'm really not getting how different images are projected onto different monitors coming from the same computer.

vontez
02-04-2008, 08:25 AM
150? ROFL, go on craigslist, you can usually get a monitor (maybe not flat screen) for free.

Gan
02-04-2008, 10:13 AM
You need a split monitor/multiple monitor video card or two graphics cards installed.

If you have XP you dont need any additional software. Not familiar with how Vista handles it.

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As to the OP...

QQ

Celephais
02-04-2008, 10:21 AM
You need a split monitor/multiple monitor video card or two graphics cards installed.

If you have XP you dont need any additional software. Not familiar with how Vista handles it.

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As to the OP...

QQ
Vista handles it the same was as XP does... it just detects a second monitor and you can position it wherever you'd like.

The Ponzzz
02-04-2008, 10:26 AM
I don't use two accounts anymore, but when I did have two basic accounts back in the day and used the Wizard FE, I made the program window fit half the screen so I could see both story windows. I did two horizontal instead of two vertical. And I wasn't even scripting, I just liked to see both at the same time.

You get use to doing that when you have to have excel, a database and a website client window open at the same time for work.

Bobmuhthol
02-04-2008, 10:58 AM
<<150? ROFL, go on craigslist, you can usually get a monitor (maybe not flat screen) for free.>>

22" widescreen? I have plenty of free monitors, but I like ones that don't suck.

<<but I'm really not getting how different images are projected onto different monitors coming from the same computer.>>

In most cases, the screen is extended... it's as if you had one really big monitor and you just move windows onto the other side.

TheEschaton
02-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Hmmm....could you run two different WoW accounts though on different monitors? WoW maximizes everything, no?

Bobmuhthol
02-04-2008, 11:05 AM
Switch it to windowed mode and run two windows, one per screen.

Drunken Durfin
02-04-2008, 12:03 PM
I run three monitors on my system using the Matrox TripleHead2Go external unit, http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/gxm/products/th2go/home.php
No, I did not do it so I could MA more effectively, but it is a nice byproduct of a necessity created by my work.

Last night while I was hunting my Wiz/Warrior combo I got a whisper on the Wiz screen from a siren asking why I was killing her relatives. I did the whole "eyebrow raise and shrug" thing and about a minute later I got a whisper on the warrior screen; A triton whispers to you, "Stop killing us, Durfin!"

Now, this was an obvious attempt to nail me for scripting. Everyone claims that there is a way for the GMs to see if you manually enter keystrokes with SF and if the SF window has focus. If this is true then they could easily see that I was firing off keystrokes on Durfin's screen and controlling the wizard via whispers, which is most likely why the whispered to the wizard first.

You can look at it any way you want, but I see it as an attempt to bust me for "not paying full attention to a secondary window that does not have focus" rather than full-on AFK scripting.

Bottom line is, if you are going to MA, take steps to make sure you can always see the story window on all your windows. It's not that hard to do, even with one monitor.

Celephais
02-04-2008, 12:18 PM
The information SF sends does not single out "manual" keystrokes vs ones sent by a script, and they don't get just any keystrokes, only commands sent (so if you type "fuck you gaymaster" then delete it without hitting enter, they don't see it). SF does send a signal for beginning and stopping a script, so they can tell you are currently running a script (I believe the WizFE does this as well, but I'm not 100%).

Jinsem
02-05-2008, 12:32 AM
A true MA'r in action...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Oddchic87/MyAccts.jpg

I can run 7 at once and not miss much of anything. Emeradan likes to check me when I cash hunt skins. It's a 6 man crew and quite fun :)

Jinsem
The True MA'r.
P.S. That was a 15" monitor. Finally got a 19".

The Ponzzz
02-05-2008, 12:42 AM
Hehe! I saw that pic before. It still makes me laugh though.

Gnomad
02-05-2008, 06:44 PM
There's got to be a better middle ground than officially warning someone for scripting 98 experience at a table and doing nothing.

[SEND]Gnomad Stop scripting or this will turn into an official warning very quickly.

You know, something that would actually beep and alert the player to arrest his behavior without putting an indelible black mark on the record of at least 3 accounts.

Celephais
02-05-2008, 06:57 PM
There's got to be a better middle ground than officially warning someone for scripting 98 experience at a table and doing nothing.

[SEND]Gnomad Stop scripting or this will turn into an official warning very quickly.

You know, something that would actually beep and alert the player to arrest his behavior without putting an indelible black mark on the record of at least 3 accounts.
You mean something that could easily be scripted against?

They make it less obvious because that's the only way they have to get around scripts/automation.

Bobmuhthol
02-05-2008, 07:03 PM
It's very easy to give a better window of opportunity to allow the person to respond and still prevent someone from scripting against it. You could do any sort of SEND that's very obviously there and ask for a specific response; e.g., [SEND]Gaymaster What is 3 + 8? If the person is legitimately AFK, they can't feasibly respond to that -- and if the script automatically logs off when it sees a SEND, you just pull them and give an unofficial warning when they log in again. Second offense = automatic official warning.

Celephais
02-05-2008, 07:18 PM
While I do agree with what you're saying, and I have seen GMs give more complicated tests (next number in this series), the real reason is the GMs don't want to ruin your rollplaying and take you "out of genre" so they try to be clever with cute little monkey's on your back and shit.

Smartass answer: If someone felt like being really clever they could have anything after a send put into google or sent to something like smarterchild and send the response. (MSN & Google got it right ... a while ago I thought of that idea and fucked around with smarterchild, it could respond to players as well as GM tests... of course it's a prick "Hey can I get some strength?" "I don't know... can you?")

Latrinsorm
02-05-2008, 07:27 PM
of course it's a prickIf only that would actually stand out in GS. :(

Stanley Burrell
02-05-2008, 11:32 PM
A true MA'r in action...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Oddchic87/MyAccts.jpg

That ... isn't, or at least shouldn't be possible. At all. I just got carpal tunnel looking at that, wtf.

Halstein
02-08-2008, 06:59 PM
I think he losses points because he has AOL opened in that pict.

Drunken Durfin
02-08-2008, 09:57 PM
I tried to make the small enough to fit in the window here. My desktop is 3840x1024 spread across 3 17" monitors.


http://www.trialteamone.com/teras/INeedHelp.JPG

:spaz:

Gan
02-08-2008, 10:00 PM
Nice setup.

Stanley Burrell
02-09-2008, 01:49 AM
I tried to make the small enough to fit in the window here. My desktop is 3840x1024 spread across 3 17" monitors.



:spaz:

I'm seriously curious now how many folks actually can pull this off.

Are you guys processing the information being text'd at you? And if so, are you immune to seizures? And if so, is it because...

Ah, fuck it. I'm just jealous. That does seriously make my head feel a little dizzy. Like I just played Star Fox for the first time.

Friendpatine
02-09-2008, 03:10 AM
Holy freaking god.

Drisco
02-09-2008, 10:03 AM
What they should do is just end your script, wait a bit to see any movement then just [Send] Are you there? Please respond using the report command. This way you can't complain about the screen scrolling as much, and if the script had anything that would make you log off it can't now.

Gan
02-09-2008, 10:14 AM
I dont think they can end a script thats being run from a remote computer.

Anebriated
02-09-2008, 10:50 AM
They can track them in SF unless you run it through something like lich. Im not sure but I have a feeling they can tell when you are scripting through rest mode as well. Maybe continued exp gain while in rest mode sends off a flag or something.

Bobmuhthol
02-09-2008, 12:39 PM
<<What they should do is just end your script,>>

That's called hacking. And they would lose customers very quickly.

Mistomeer
02-09-2008, 12:59 PM
What they should do is just interact with you through normal game mechanics - talk, whisper, etc. If you don't respond, warning. If you do, you're obviously aware enough to interact with other players and are therefore not being disruptive. It's all pretty simple, they just over complicate the whole thing.

thefarmer
02-09-2008, 01:55 PM
What they should do is just interact with you through normal game mechanics - talk, whisper, etc. If you don't respond, warning. If you do, you're obviously aware enough to interact with other players and are therefore not being disruptive. It's all pretty simple, they just over complicate the whole thing.

They do use this method.