Adult ADHD

[Arkans]

I've been diagnosed with Adult ADHD yesterday and I am going back to my Neurologist to determine my medication. The people on the outside I've spoked to generally don't believe that ADHD is real or the medication for it is over prescribed (the Schedule II stimulant, amphetamine).

Now, I have my own opinion on the matter, but what's everyone else here think?

- Arkans

[radamanthys]

We've already had that bitchfest.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=25691

[CrystalTears]

Necromancer will be on his way to sympathize and give you a thesis on his findings.

Personally I do feel that it's overdiagnosed as such, moreso for children. Good luck with that though.

[Arkans]

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of the topics I bring up will have created a firestorm. It happens when you're gone for a year or more :-(

[radamanthys]

It was only a year? Seems like longer.

[Arkans]

I think it was closer to two.

- Arkans

[Asha]

As if you're actually Arkans.

[Gan]

Wait, what are we talking about again?

[Arkans]

As if you're actually Arkans.


Um, I'm obviously Arkans. You can tell by my modeling career, RX-7, and countless girls I constantly sleep with. You guys all suck and I'm better than you all! I'm way too cool to post on a message board, duh!

Err... Wait.. Umm, I mean, ignore that.

- Arkans

[Asha]

Definately Arkans.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He's ambiguously gay, so yeah, that's him.

[Arkans]

Listen, the only way to even be considered gay is if when a guy is sucking dick and he gets a hardon.

I've sucked a lot of dick and have yet to recieve a chubby, so I'm 100% straight there.

Also, the other way is if you are getting fucked in the ass and the guy goes to give you a reach around and you have a boner. Sorry, Thanksgiving Turkey suffed here, but once again, not once have I risen to the occasion.

Err... Wait... Ignore that too.

- Arkans

[sst]

I've sucked a lot of dick and have yet to recieve a chubby
- Arkans

Sig worthy

[Asha]

If you want to picture Arkans sucking wowie everytime you post.

[Sean of the Thread]

Listen, the only way to even be considered gay is if when a guy is sucking dick and he gets a hardon.

I've sucked a lot of dick and have yet to recieve a chubby, so I'm 100% straight there.

Also, the other way is if you are getting fucked in the ass and the guy goes to give you a reach around and you have a boner. Sorry, Thanksgiving Turkey suffed here, but once again, not once have I risen to the occasion.

Err... Wait... Ignore that too.

- Arkans

This had to be quoted with a quickness.

[radamanthys]

oh, a lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying.

[BigWorm]

oh, a lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying.

Why do you think I give you Mom all of my singles?

[Gan]

Why do you think I give you Mom all of my singles?

If all you're handing out are singles, no wonder she's crying.

[Stanley Burrell]

So, this one time me and Satan were --

Do you have any candy?

[Necromancer]

yeah.. definitely get on meds

[Methais]

I've been diagnosed with Adult ADHD yesterday and I am going back to my Neurologist to determine my medication. The people on the outside I've spoked to generally don't believe that ADHD is real or the medication for it is over prescribed (the Schedule II stimulant, amphetamine).

Now, I have my own opinion on the matter, but what's everyone else here think?

- Arkans

You just want free pills. I don't blame you though.

[Arkans]

Hah..

Well, we'll see how it works out. I go to my appointment today and see what medication they put me on and see if it works. Who knows?

- Arkans

[Sean of the Thread]

Ask them for the anti getting your turkey stuffed pill too.

[Arkans]

Never, because a day without you is like a day without sunshine. I'll be wearing those lacey panties you so love much, bigman. See you tonight.

- Arkans

[875000]

Hah..

Well, we'll see how it works out. I go to my appointment today and see what medication they put me on and see if it works. Who knows?

- Arkans

Bit of advice:

Be very careful about whatever they put you on.

1. Discuss the alternatives.
2. Make certain they go over the side effects.
3. Make certain they understand what other drugs you are taking as well as any physical conditions that can be exacerbated by taking a stimulant
4. See if the drug they prescribe is timed released or not. If it is timed release make certain they select one that releases the drug in a quantity that matches your metabolism. If it is not timed release, ask them why not.

The drugs used to mitigate ADHD effect people in many different ways. You need to be careful with them because they can easily make a bad situation worse.

[Arkans]

Thanks for the information. I'll have to do that.

My Doctor already spoke about Adderall XR, which is fine, but I know that generics are not yet available. Why not save money and get an immediate release pill? I can always put reminders on my phone that make sure I take my medication when needed, unless XR is superior for otehr reasons?

- Arkans

[The Ponzzz]

Adderall isn't good at all. Adderall is very addicting and should never be used by anyone that had a former drug addiction.

[875000]

Thanks for the information. I'll have to do that.

My Doctor already spoke about Adderall XR, which is fine, but I know that generics are not yet available. Why not save money and get an immediate release pill? I can always put reminders on my phone that make sure I take my medication when needed, unless XR is superior for otehr reasons?

- Arkans

I only know enough to have helped someone else make an informed decision after they were perscribed the wrong medication. So, you'll have to speak with a doctor to get better specifics than I can really provide.

However, the issues that I remember where:

1. Depending on the way ADHD manifests in a person and its severity, it could be very difficult for them to remember to take an immediate release pill at a specified time.
2. People's energy levels are not constant and different metabolisms effect the way the drug may effect the recipient. Because of that, the dosage released in their system has to match certain cycles, or a person may be getting too much or too little of stimulant at a given time.

Of the two issues, #2 is really the one to look out for.

[Arkans]

Right on, I appreciate the information.

I'd understand if I was currently addicted to substances. I am not nor do I have any desire to revert back to my old habits. I'm quite content with my life and have no desire to alter it.

- Arkans

[Drisco]

How do you know if you are Dyslexic? I was in an accounting exam and I kept seeing my numbers wrong.. I then couldn't get my eyes to focus and had to close one while writing the exam.

[Gnomad]

How do you know if you are Dyslexic? I was in an accounting exam and I kept seeing my numbers wrong.. I then couldn't get my eyes to focus and had to close one while writing the exam.

You're not dyslexic.

[Drisco]

I uno I wikied it and some of the shit on there described me. I have always joked around with my friends and parents about me being dyslexic but I never thought anything of it.

I have these symptoms;

Difficulty with word retrieval or naming problems

Spelling errors — Because of difficulty learning letter-sound correspondences, individuals with dyslexia might tend to misspell words, or leave vowels out of words.

Letter order - Dyslexics may also reverse the order of two letters especially when the final, incorrect, word looks similar to the intended word (e.g., spelling "dose" instead of "does"). (This a lot)

Highly phoneticized spelling - Dyslexics also commonly spell words inconsistently also typically have difficulty distinguishing among homophones such as "their" and "there".

Vocabulary - Having a small written vocabulary, even if they have a large spoken vocabulary.

This can involve slower writing speed than average or poor handwriting characterised by irregularly formed letters.

I also jumble numbers up a lot and have to focus when I write them.


Only weird thing is I like to read a lot. I don't have trouble reading but I tend to skip sentences and sometimes have a hard time reading stuff and have to reread the line to process it.

[Warriorbird]

Get a diagnosis. Easy enough.

[Drisco]

Eh I'm not to fazed about it. It doesn't really effect me that much its just I notice it sometimes. It isn't a huge hindrance on me, maybe if I start to notice it a lot more I would do something about it. I remember all the good times though as a cashier asking for 22$ instead of 2.20$. I made a lot of mistakes, either from in being a rush, tired, or a undiagnosed dyslexia.

[Methais]

How do you know if you are Dyslexic?

When you decide to jerk off and end up accidentally sticking a cactus up your ass instead?

Any info on this one Arkans?

[CrystalTears]

When you decide to jerk off and end up accidentally sticking a cactus up your ass instead?

Any info on this one Arkans?
I can't explain why, but this made me laugh so hard my eyes watered.

[Drisco]

I can't explain why, but this made me laugh so hard my eyes watered.



For some reason I read it felt nothing. Then read you laughed and for some reason I just started to laugh at it.

[Arkans]

When you decide to jerk off and end up accidentally sticking a cactus up your ass instead?

Any info on this one Arkans?


Actually, I have a lot of first hand experience on this. Almost to the point where I refuse to jerk off in the Arizona / California area or any house with a large amount of indoor cacti.

It's not always dyslexia, but it can be. I mean, you think you're grabbing your peter, but next thing you know the inside of your ass feels like a reverse pin cushion. Talk to your doctor and be honest, this type of disorder not only affects you, but the ones you love.

Back on topic though.. I got put on Adderall XR. I first start at 20 mg a day and work up all the way to 40 mg and decide what is best for me. I mean, the medication keeps me focused and doing what I need to be, but isn't that the point of amphetamines?

- Arkans

PS: My ass is killing after visiting that desert preservation...

[Stanley Burrell]

Adderall isn't good at all. Adderall is very addicting and should never be used by anyone that had a former drug addiction.

Dunno, but I thought he had addiction issues with opiates.

I.e. As someone who's had issues with benzos; I hate vicodin, anything more "hardcore" than caffeine, and just about anything that's not a downer and a short-acting psychotropic.

Even the DSM spaces out addiction through countless pages of drug classes.

Por Ejemplo: You might prescribe somebody who's had a coke addiction Lexapro, but would be more cautious giving them something like Adderall or even Wellbutrin. And if Arkans is diagnosable as ADHD and the Adderall will have a reverse paradoxical effect on his hyperactivity component, paired with attentiveness in the spaced out time, that's nothing but a good thing.

I took half of a blue Adderall and was puking for hours. Something like hydrocodone makes me have dreams I've died and fighting to awake. I think I had made my peace and accepted the afterlife after wisdom teeth surgery Rx. Unpleasantness.

[Arkans]

I've had an issue with opiates.

I've also had an issue with methamphetamine.

This would put me in the catagory of not prescribing me adderall, which I can understand the logic, but also acknowledge there are serious flaws.

I began using methamphetamine as a self medication to be able to focus and to do well in school. Unfortunately, I didn't really understand the drug as well as I should (partly because it is so rare to find in New England as opposed to California), but still managed to quit it.

Do I abuse or will I abuse my prescribed medication? Absolutely not. I'd rather have my symptoms treated properly rather than screw around and make myself worse. Just because someone has abused illegal drugs in the past does not mean they will in the future. When I said I would quit heroin, I quit. I never touched it.

I'll still use methamphetamine recreationally every once in a blue moon (when going out to parties "AKA: Raves", but beyond that? No way, I learned my lesson.

[Stanley Burrell]

Do you develop tolerance to it?

I.e. If you took the second to lowest dose for two weeks, would it almost completely lose its effect?

That's why fuck benzos, btw...

[Arkans]

It all depends on how you use (meth)amphetamines when regarding tolerance.

Both can be prescribed legally. Adderall would be mixed amphetamine salts (levo and dextro isomers of the drug) and Desoxyn would be methamphetamine hydrochloride (very rarely prescribed).

It is very possible to remain on therapuetic doses without ever having to increase the dosage due to tolerance, but if misused a tolerance rapidly begins to build and lasts from three days to a week or so (short term tolerance) therefor more and more is needed.

This leads to amphetamine induced psychosis as well as other less than fun symptoms, but once again, this is irresponsible use.

Benzo tolerance builds rapidly when used recreationally as well, but unlike amphetamines, the withdrawal can be severe and possibly lead to death. Amphetamine withdrawal just leaves you tired, slugglish, and hungry. Both have potentials for psychological addiction as well.

- Arkans

[Stanley Burrell]

Pretty sure I went from 185 to 130 after I stopped kicking back 6mgs of Klonopin daily.

It's retarded. There's no XR patents, even, for anything except Xanax. And if it was ever decided that things were somehow dire enough to prescribe me that shit, it would be daily and not PRN with my history -- Meaning that it would just build tolerance that much faster.

Oh well. Luck in thine endeavour fellow recouperator. Sounds like you may have been doing some real stuff. But always, always, always. Always, 4x. BE IN CONTACT WITH YOUR PRESCRIBING DR./REPORT ANY AND ALL SYMPTOMS EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BEING HYPOCHONDRIACAL.

[Arkans]

I completely agree. If anything, my experience with drugs have lead to a very profound interest in pharmacology. I know a good deal of what is out there and the risks and also know about dosage, but this won't ever take the place of consulting a physician or specialist.

My girlfriend is currently perscribed to 3mg of klonopin daily for anxiety (1 mg doses throughout the day) and she's yet to develope any adverse affects. The neurologist I spoke to about my medication pretty much confirmed what I had thought for a while. There is a difference between withdrawal symptoms.

Of course if you stop using prescription medication (Adderall for instance) you will feel more tired and unable to focus and have manifestations of hyperactivity again. You'll also want to go back on the medication, but that's because you the original problem cured.

One does need to be wary of drugs that produce physical withdrawal and when discontinuing treatment then taper off slowly with the aid of a physician.

- Arkans

[TheEschaton]

Eh, once an addict, always an addict. At least that's the AA/NA philosophy. Maybe you think they're just pussies though. The fact that you still use them recreationallly plus you've now been prescribed Adderall doesn't seem to be a good thing to me.

[Arkans]

I believe the current definition of addiction is the continued use of a substance despite negative consquences of use.

I can say, "No" to heroin and I can say, "No" to methamphetamine. I wouldn't consider NA and AA pussies, but I really disagree with their philosphies of convincing people they are weak and have no control over themselves. Maybe if they tought people to be strong and depend on themselves then I'd agree, but from my experience, it isn't the case.

It works for some and I'm glad for them and hope they continue to use to improve their lives, but trading one addiction for another (drugs to a system) doesn't change a person's view point, it just makes them dependant on something else.

I just disagree that just because somebody has used illegal drugs before that means they should not be entitled to the most effective treatments available for real disorders that actually exist.

- Arkans

[The Ponzzz]

I am rather curious about a doctor prescribing the Adderall. People go into rehab for it due to it's addicting nature.

How did you kick your former drug habit? Rehab? Cold turkey? When you left the PC last you seemed to be pretty heavy into heroin.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, just trying to give advice. I would NOT take Adderall for ADHD with your prior addiction. Hell, I wouldn't suggest anyone take Adderall without one, because most likely they would get addicted. There are other drugs the doctor could have prescribed.

[Arkans]

I kicked heroin cold turkey and never looked back. Being sick is one of the worst feelings you could ever go through and I promised myself that once I got through it, I would never touch that shit ever again.

I also had support from a lot of my friends that helped me get off of it. Eventually, the sickness goes away as do the cravings. I've been in situations where I could do it again and not suffer any reprecussions (nobody would know), but I still said, "No". I went through it and was done.

During college I would experiment with methamphetamine to help me get through class, do assigned work, and party. I was introduced to this drug by a friend when I started in the rave scene and managed to get heavy into it, not because of the high exactly, but because I saw it as a fix all for short comings.

I quit regular use cold turkey and just ended up sleeping and eating a lot for 1.5 weeks. I stayed off of it for about 4-5 months, got my life together (job, girlfriend, direction, goals, ect.) and began to use it when I went out.

Now, I don't *NEED* to use it at parties and the last three weeks I havn't touched the drug, despite it being available. I also will absolutely not use it during the week either. It's really no different than somebody using ecstasy, drinking, or doing other recreational substances over the weekends.

Yes, there is a non-stimulant out there called Strattera. Unfortunately, it is not as effective and is an SNRI (Selective Noradrenaline Reuptake Inhibitor), which I do not do well with. I suffer a lot of side affects from those drugs and they manage to cause more harm then good.

There is a potential for anyone to get addicted to almost any drug, but I've been there and back and managed to take something out of every situation I've been in.

Lastly, I believe quitting an addictive pattern of drug use and remaining as such, needs a strong desire for that to happen to be present. I simply did not want to abuse drugs like I had been nor do I want to again, thus I will not. The party ends on the weekends and you leave the party at the party.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

Fucking druggies

[Arkans]

Fucking blacks

Errr.... Huh?!

- Arkans

[Arkans]

Fucking blacks

Huh!??

- Arkans

[Stanley Burrell]

Fucking blacks

...

Fucking firecrotches.

[Gnomad]

Pretty sure I went from 185 to 130 after I stopped kicking back 6mgs of Klonopin daily.[/B]

Jesus fucking christ, 6 mills of k-pins?

No shit you lost weight; I'm amazed you managed to even muster the energy to eat on that much benzos.

[Gnomad]

I have these symptoms;The major point is that dyslexia is (unlike ADHD) not just a checklist of symptoms. All of those may affect you at some point, but that does not mean you're dyslexic.

Also worth noting is that the term Dyslexia has fallen out of vogue. Educators now generally will diagnose a Specific Learning Disability in language acquisition, or something similar.

Regardless, to qualify for an SLD, you would generally have to score at least a standard deviation lower on that specific subject than you do on average. (For reference, a standard deviation is about 15 IQ points.)

[Stanley Burrell]

Jesus fucking christ, 6 mills of k-pins?

No shit you lost weight; I'm amazed you managed to even muster the energy to eat on that much benzos.

6mg Klonopin is the standard dose for epileptics.

And believe you me when I say you can easily build up tolerance to that dose in less than a month of daily use with PRN ativans.

[Sean of the Thread]

Librium and valium were always my favorite though I was never addicted to either but very close to the librium. And I just used to valium to cheat at rifle competitions tee hee... not cheatin' you ain't tryin hard enough. I think most people take that shit for competitions. It's like the steroids of the other sports world.


Anyways... I just recently 2/23/08 had a few day stay at the hospital after having an unstable angina attack which quickly turned into the holy shit I'm dying panic attack which then turned into me downing about a pint of vodka in 30 seconds to stop the fucking panic attack which then turned into ER.

Ok to the point..come to find out my bloodpressure meds all are also used to treat ADHD AND Alcohol and other withdrawals after looking them up. So I'm very fucking happy.

Clondine and Metoprolol (generic names and pretty fucking cheap) First fucking couple of weeks on them SUCKED ASS. But now I've noticed I'm chilling out bigtime and I feel great. Can't drink on them which I don't do anymore anyways so fuck it.

The lame side effects were dizznyness/drowsiness, dying thirst constantly/dry mouth and well constipation. All of which have chilled. Now the REAL deal side effects that are pissing me of are WEIRD fucking dreams and dream like feeling while awake for a few hours after taking the Clonindine.

Trippy feeling and seeming like catching thins out of the corner of my eyes once in a while.


And lastly BRUISING SO FUCKING HARDCORE. Had a snowball fight with the zamboni pile a couple days ago.... and every fucking hit is a huge bruise. Took a spill on the rink and my ENTIRE fucking right arm and shoulder is ugly bruised. I look like I rolled a jeep and I'm not shitting you.

Sorry so long... amazing what the right meds can do for you. I'd never normally stay focused on a post like this. Oh and I've stopped doing that thing with my leg that everyone hates.

[Back]

Good to hear you are doing/getting better.

Whats wrong with that thing with your leg that everyone hates?

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Awesome that everyone but me has so much experience with medication. I feel like I could enslave you all and begin my own pharmaceutical agency in Canada.

...no worries Stanley, their anthem is easy enough to learn. I have alllllll the bases covered!

[Stanley Burrell]

You know the Canadian national anthem? I don't even know if I know all the words to ours. Walgreens has a national anthem for me.

...AND SINCE THIS IS THE ADHD THREAD:

March On Bahamaland

Lift up your head to the rising sun, Bahamaland,
March on to glory, your bright banners waving high,
See how the world marks the manner of your bearing;
Pledge to excel thro' love and unity.
Pressing onward, march together, to a common loftier goal;
Steady sunward tho' the weather hide the wide and treacherous shoal.
Lift up your head to the rising sun, Bahamaland,
'til the road you've trod lead unto your God, March on Bahamaland.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Oh god, what have I done?

[Stanley Burrell]

I know the words to a lot of Wu-Tang singles as well (in case I have to rep' the hood to get my next ten million milligrams of ghetto benzos.) I know some NWA too, in an extremely ADHD manner. Peep the rhymin' insanity:

Searching my car, looking for the product... Thinking every Staney Burrell is selling narcotics. You'd rather see me in the pen, than me and Lorenzo rolling in a benzo.

Also, for Xyelin, because we love him so much; my advice to you is practicing CBT for panic and anxiety and then learning to use dialectic behavioral skills to control your symptoms. The advice I can't give to you is take 1mg of lorazepam each time you feel the onset of panic. Your M.D. has to give you that advice before he or she turns you into a crackwhore.

[Sean of the Thread]

Whats wrong with that thing with your leg that everyone hates?

You know the whole small quick bouncing it up and down like doing 1000 quick lil calf raises type of leg thing.